Take a look at 80s rock bands: music was all about fucking, partying and enjoying life.
Then grunge took over, and rock started to be about depression and angst. Same applies to its heris, like post-grunge, nu metal and crossover. Only pop punk was about fun and girls.
Even 90s and 2000s rock was quite "dark" themed, it still rocked and kicked ass, with fast beats and hard guitars.
Now rock is all boring and great only to do yoga to. Concerts of recent bands are a pain the ass, full of people standing and staring each other.
How can we go back to real rock music?
>>65085628
By blasting Steel Panther all day every day.
>>65085628
"same applies to its HEIRS" sorry for the mistake
>>65085684
Woah thank you for making me discover this band. Cool and funny too
>>65085628
Music industry panicking when it became christianised and anti Jewish socialist agenda. Grunge did that. Nu-metal too.
They tricked the industry and now it's paying big time.
Even hip-hop is doing the same now. They're getting rid of that too.
Nothing left but radical feminist whores and the occasional "feminist" doing the same grunge thing and tricking the industry.
It's probably better today at local gigs because the alternative scene is alternative again.
Big things about to happen I suspect. Lot's more bands again.
>>65086365
So you think feminism is changing hip-hop too? It's definitely the most mysoginist genre ever
>>65085628
Because '80s had Reagan.
Currently Obama's government is trying to impose their agenda in everything. Their #1 goal is pushing white male guilt.
For pushing male guilt and female supremacy to the mainstream, they have feminism. Performers which have successfully incorporated it in their music include Meghan Trainor, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce, also that really fat singer but I forgot her name.
As for white guilt and the idea of black supremacy, see racist rap, again Beyonce, Kendrick, and general predominance of blacks in entertainment in general.
Nu-male music simply agrees and approves these ideas. It imposes the role models on young people to accept their guilt and inferiority for being born white, straight and male.
Rap is the black equivalent of hair metal. It's raunchy, offensive, it's about sex, drugs and male sexuality.
Female pop is the female equivalent of hair metal. It's pushing the female supremacy and sexuality.
>>65085628
It was because of MTV. Everyone had to have a music video and bands became more about their image than their music. Hence all the glam shite
>>65087867
As young people we should really all feel guilty for being born. Read some Ligotti bitch.
>>65086762
>So you think feminism is changing hip-hop too? It's definitely the most mysoginist genre ever
Put it this way. Most people over the age of 18 does not listen to that mainstream bullshit.
I personally hang out at gigs with mates.
Why? Because it eases us in this screwed world we're in.
>>65086762
Hip-hop doesn't "need" to change at all. It fits the neo-liberal narrative perfectly.
It is meant to show that when black people blame white people for crimes they didn't commit, engage in pure racism, misogyny, and hedonism, it is good and "current year"; but when white people do it, it's fascism, disgusting bigotry, problematic, and should be suppressed at all costs.
It is also meant to show that black people are "cool" and white people are "old and boring".
>>65085628
Motley Crue were a bunch of talentless pedophiles making music for the 80s equivalent of the "muh moosic scares people xD" crowd
you want music that still rocks? ok here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLYoJgbybes
>>65088331
>It is meant to show that when black people blame white people for crimes they didn't commit, engage in pure racism, misogyny, and hedonism, it is good and "current year"; but when white people do it, it's fascism, disgusting bigotry, problematic, and should be suppressed at all costs.
My theory has always been: if they keep pushing this, eventually a bunch of really bigoted Neo Nazi and Uncle Tom Rappers will start making head waves because the Established "Culture" will be rolling over outraged by it.
Black adults will hate it, Nu-Fork will all review it poorly but all the kids will like it so it doesn't matter.
>>65088357
Shit taste detected. Motley Crue were the best glam metal band of the '80s. What you posted is not even plebian, it's middle school wigger-core.
>>65088331
>It is meant to show that when black people blame white people for crimes they didn't commit, engage in pure racism, misogyny, and hedonism, it is good and "current year"; but when white people do it, it's fascism, disgusting bigotry, problematic, and should be suppressed at all costs.
kek
All people are slaves.
All.
Even the richest.
>>65086365
>>65087867
>>65088331
/pol/ meets /mu/
>>65088477
>>65087963
Same person? No offense mate, but I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories. They all sound edgy to me.
>>65088452
glam was shit anyway,
and that's a pretty big "was"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAixvk7zLlA
>>65088446
Actually I plan to do a "moonman" band just to tell the world - Look let's sit down, figure this shit out, try new things to fix this cock-up.
People are giving up too easily. I want to trigger enlightenment. Even if I lose all friends and family. I will do it for people.
>>65088357
Pedophiles? I didn't know that fucking hot young sluts was pedo stuff. And they actually kicked ass dude
Rawk of the kind in the 60s-70s-80s isn't possible anymore because Millenials aren't the same kind of people or have the same mentality as boomers and Gen Xers. Young people now just don't go out and ride on motorcycles and smoke, drink or fuck anymore. They live in their parents' basement at 30 and have sex with an Applejack dakimakura instead of a female.
>>65088548
I did a kickflip over your post, now what
>>65088548
Only conspiracy is that we have to get the guillotines out for the rich.
It's time. They're pure evil and not listening. They don't care anymore.
We'll make them care even at the cost of our lives.
Do it for the young children today.
>>65088446
The problem is that labels won't allow it. It won't earn money; moreover, it will result in SJW withchunt on the people who made it.
Hipster bands are really what reflects the Millenial mindset, which is wearing a fedora and a scarf and being a Tumblr nu male.
>>65088586
Holy god, he's not making this up.
>>65088586
I'm a millennial and definitely feel I was born in the wrong time. I love smoking and drinking (as all people in Europe) but hate that fucking rap and EDM that everybody is so enthusiast of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn6S7IJ3i_I
>>65088559
Aaaand actually you're right. It was all mostly shit. "Glam" monicker was mostly just for the image. What most bands like Poison did was just rehashes of NWBHM or even rock'n'roll with some tapping.
Motley Crue were different from the rest though.
>>65088629
with the internet we have a pretty safe way to test the water when it comes to finding out what makes money.
if a bunch of really offensive shit began gong viral and all the "muh white peepl sux xDDD" cancer stopped going anywhere what choice would they have?
When was the last time we had a pic related or a Chili Peppers? a band that didn't give a fuck about race and just made music for everyone to have fun? why does everything need a social message now?
>>65088750
But that music had a social message too
>Take a look at 80s rock bands: music was all about fucking, partying and enjoying life.
Just listen to modern rap and it fits all that, unless you don't like the fact that they don't dress up like women
30 posts and only 8 posters. This thread is literally being controlled by the same guy. Check the numbers in the bottom right
>>65088782
barely and even if it did, you know what I'm talking about. Led Zeppelin for example, say what you want about their music but they just liked playing their instruments they didn't give a fuck who was "moved" or even who was offended by it.
>>65088821
Check these numbers
>>65088801
Well it's not about the fashion, it's more about the music which was netter imho. I wrote that even the depressing grunge and nu metal had at least hard music
>>65088688
You're missing a few pieces of the puzzle, notably that bands like Poison came along after glam metal was already past its prime (1982-85). They were just a diluted parody of glam metal for little kids.
>>65088562
>I want to trigger enlightenment.
Um, sorry mate, but you're starting to sound like Reddit.
>>65088522
Look, I don't deny I read /pol/ from time to time. You know why? I don't buy into their memes like "jews", "eradication of white race" and so on.
I'm simply sick of predominating social dogma that's being shoved down my throat by movies, websites and so on. I think it's not about equality anymore but about reverse oppression.
>>65088650
They are simply mainstream. People with no personality will eat it up. People who easily accept propaganda will eat it up.
>>65088697
The problem is, you'll have to stay anonymous to avoid witchhunts (meaning no live performances), and write actually good music to get popular.
If you will get controversial, you will actually receive PR from all the haters; but good luck making money with such records. Also, if your voice is recognized, you might have problems.
But if you do succeed, you will become the white N.W.A.
>>65088821
holy fucking cringe batman
>>65088801
50% of rap songs now: Muh White peepl is ruinin our erf I dindu nuffin
other 50%: only exist because of constant pushing of brand names in every song
so it's either Boyce Watkins style pandering or commercials now. I suppose there is also some stupid shit about relationships and feelings thrown in but who gives a fuck? still terrible
Blame the pussy acoustic rock bands like Oasis that got popular in the 90s
>>65088947
You forget
ROLL DAT BLUNT
HIT DAT AYSSS
LAY DAT BEAT
DROP THAT BAYS
>>65088982
>only exist because of constant pushing of brand names in every song
those songs are what I was referring to
>>65088888
Checked
Yep, but even at its prime it wasn't exactly soaring high. I love Def Leppard, Quiet Riot and Hanoi Rocks were ok, but Ratt not so much.
After that it was full of unashamed hacks with no talent whatsoever.
"Rock music is dead. Rappers are the new rock stars. They're edgy, they have attitude, they flash around big stacks of money, they ride in a limousine with girls hanging off their arms. I mean, we all love that, right? They make you want to be them. The point is that rock stars aren't supposed to be ordinary people. And then at some point, they became ordinary people. And the music got bland, it got boring, it sucked, and people stopped listening to it."
>>65089142
Shekels the Jew Clown needs to watch his obnoxious mouth
>>65089142
Rappers are blacks hanging around with white girls. That's what most people find not acceptable.
>>65088801
Rap is music by black people, for black people.
White music has always been more about melody than beat. It has much more changes, hooks and all that.
Rap is purely black music rooted in African rhythms. You have to be black to truly eschew all melody and like music concentrated ONLY on looping beat.
Not to mention I don't understand half the lyrics in most rap (I'm not talking your Drake or Aesop Rock stuff—I'm talking average stuff black people listen to). What I do hear sounds like Spinal Tap to me.
>>65089200
After grunge happened, the Kiss/Motley Crue/GNR brand of misogynistic cockrock completely fell out of fashion - only rappers could still get away with objectifying women.
>>65089201
>White music has always been more about melody than beat. It has much more changes, hooks and all that.
That's simply because of the European symphonic tradition which always emphasized melody and which carried over into popular music.
>>65089233
I think it also goes hand in hand with fact that Reagan era ended. During Clinton's presidency it was so-so, and rock still rocked.
>>65089267
Yes, that's true. And that's also about black rhythm tradition.
Polyrhythms didn't really stick in pop music. And vice versa, black music often relies on beat. THis doesn't mean there can be exceptions from both sides; but they don't change the general picture.
"Where are the legendary musicians of today? Going down the list, I can name Elvis, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson. But after about 1984, who is there? And you can't say Nirvana because making two albums and then killing yourself doesn't make you a legendary artist."
>>65089284
>Clinton era
>rock still rocked
Dude...you put on MTV in 1994 and all you see is Smashing Pumpkins, Bush, Stone Temple Pilots, Green Day, Hole, and Korn whining how bad they smell and how much their mom sucks.
>>65089284
Cockrock basically started with Led Zeppelin and Exile-era Stones though, not in the Reagan years.
>>65085628
>Now rock is all boring and great only to do yoga to
>like the 80s didn't have that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nF-a3R4Jq4
>>65088750
That's the thing that bugs me. In the 80s, most anti-Reagan whining was confined to punk/alternative bands. The big stadium rock acts of that time seemed pretty apolitical for the most part. The 2000s however had everyone however mainstream or not whining about George Bush.
>>65089345
BASED
>>65089345
Just curious, but why does he make 1984 his arbitrary cutoff point?
>>65089674
Oh, I dunno. Possibly because Bu$h Nazi verifiably stole two elections and slaughtered 600,000 Iraqi civilians so Haliburton execs could afford a new Ferrari.
>>65085628
Stop listening to p4k core and listen to extreme metal
>>65085628
>music designed for white trash 11 year olds in the 80s
>good
LOLno.
>>65089395
I mean, at least they had distortion.
>>65089345
>>65089142
Of course it is dead. Black people appropriated "sex, drugs and rock'n'roll" dogma.
The gradual liberalization of music occured in stages. First labels pretty much ended heavy metal and started the grunge "wave". It gave us some good artists, but ultimately they made the rock whiney and edgy.
Then came next stage: indie. It started introducing nu-males, manlets in skinny jeans as "rockers". All while rap received more and more money from labels.
Finally came Obama era. Black became the new cool; "wigger" became an offensive, problematic word. Guitars have been pushed out of mainstream; terms like "dadrock", "rockists", "mixtape" appeared. The flow of money to rock was obstructed, and the recording industry went down with the rise of internet, hence the lack of new rock.
Final stage: Obama's second term. Feminism, LGBT, fat acceptance and white guilt in music; "Indie too white" meme. Increasing SJW bias in media, including p4k. White music is made irrelevant unless it isn't from women/LGBT/effeminate men with no balls. Total cleanising of music from any sign of white masculinity.
>>65089945
>being a close minded retard
lol
>>65090267
>Black people appropriated "sex, drugs and rock'n'roll" dogma
They invented it in the first place, they were just taking back what was theirs.
>>65090267
I think rock was on its last legs during Bush's second term and that was happening before Obama. For all intents and purposes, American Idiot was the end of mainstream rock.
>>65085628
Motley Crue were rock and roll as fuck though. They weren't bad.
Nikki Sixx even died on the hospital table a few times after overdosing.
>>65090695
You can see elements of it in blues and rock'n'roll, yes, but not
> They're edgy, they have attitude, they flash around big stacks of money, they ride in a limousine with girls hanging off their arms.
Remember how BB King destroyed hotel rooms with groupies and nearly overdosed on heroin? Me neither.
Today rap took it all way too far. Rappers are almost like pimps, they boast their crime and don't hide drug usage. Motley Crue and GNR were more restrained than that.
FWIW, Lemmy preferred Motley Crue to Metallica.
>>65087867
No one outside of your internet world feels guilty for being white.
>>65090267
>Then came next stage: indie. It started introducing nu-males, manlets in skinny jeans as "rockers".
Nope, that was the 70s and 80s. Have you seen post-punk bands from the 80s? They're all 5'6 manlets with plastic rimmed glasses in skinny pants that cling to their 120 lb frame
>>65090743
Yep, that's true. But it raises the question if Bush was a true republican candidate, if he has managed to become the most unpopular president in history.
It was his presidency that opened the doors to post 9/11 liberalism and subsequent rise of PC and SJWs.
>>65090784
I do the same. Motley Crue wrote better songs.
>>65088331
Sorry but you are retarded, hiphop is easily the most redpill genre of music
It's all about attaining social status, getting rich, fucking numerous women. Rapping is almost always about bragging about being more dominant than the competition. It's about men being strong and not being pussies.
If you don't think hiphop is the most redpilled music, then you're just racist
>>65090858
When you say redpilled, are you implying that's a good or a bad thing? I mean obviously you'd be generalising if you were to say literally all hip hop is like that.
>>65090783
>Remember how BB King destroyed hotel rooms with groupies and nearly overdosed on heroin? Me neither.
A lot of those bluesmen lived pretty rugged, debauched lives desu. To quote Pinetop Perkins (who lived to 97), "Lots of blues musicians died young because dey got inta things dey shouldn'ta been doin."
>>65090786
I know that perfectly well. It is a dogma that's being pushed by media. No one thinks, for example, Caitlyn Jenner is "sexy" or beautiful. But one risks getting fired from his job if he says otherwise. A slightest jab at blacks can destroy one's career and earn them reputation as "bigots", aka persona non grata.
>>65090830
>if he has managed to become the most unpopular president in history
Until the guy who came after him anyway.
>>65088921
>I don't buy into their memes like "jews"
if there's one and only one thing that anyone should take from /pol/ to heart, its the jews. not degenerate, white genocide, cuck and certainly not assjaydubya. at least that's what i think..
>>65090931
It is getting pretty out of hand. I think Jenner is fucking disgusting and basically a murderer. How he got away with hitting someone with a car and killing them is beyond me. Complete fucking sell out hack that even the LGBT community doesn't respect.
>>65088331
>It is also meant to show that black people are "cool" and white people are "old and boring".
White people can't be cool by definition, 'specially old white people. It's just not possible for them.
>>65090936
Obama is far more popular than Bush was at the end of his presidency you suburban bubble child you
The only Motley Crue you need is the first two albums and Decade of Decadence. Rest is just 12 year old girl poodle rock.
>>65090994
Obama is a puppet. All I ever really see him do is make appearances on late night tv shows trying to appear as if he's just "one of us".
>>65090994
Huffington Post polls are not a credible source of information.
>each successive Congressional election since Obama has been president cost the Democrats more and more seats
>>65090914
Yep, you're right here. As I said, bluesmen predated in a way their ways of life. I'm not sure they "invented" it though—I can see white country musicians doing just the same.
>>65090858
See, that's why I never will agree with "red pill" individuals.
If you mean "promoting male surpemacy", then you're right. But I never liked that in music. I can't listen hyper-raunchy rap about "hoes", "pussy", "bitches" and so on. It all sounds like Spinal Tap's Sex Farm to me. It doesn't matter who sings it—white guys or black guys.
Also, you're not mentioning that most rappers despise white people. They feel pure, unrefined racial hatred to anyone white. If redpill means pure unadulterated racism, I don't want it.
>>65091011
As he called working-class Americans "bitter people clinging to their guns and religion".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA
>>65088684
>smoking
if it's not too late, quit. it's absolutely awful
>>65091134
I mean he's not wrong.
>>65091138
This. I just went to a funeral of a woman who had two strokes, undiagnosed stage iv lung cancer and went into a coma. They pulled the plug because she was a goner.
>>65091124
Blues clubs were pretty seedy places; Albert King was known even in his later years to carry a pistol around with him, a rudiment of his early days gigging in clubs.
I read a concert story about BB King from a few years before he died when people were complaining that he was spending the whole show chatting about nothing instead of playing, and he apparently told one of the hecklers in the audience "It may not look it, but I have a knife under this tuxedo."
Kind of hard to imagine BB King saying that when most people alive in the 2000s only knew him as a benevolent grandfatherly figure, but once upon a time, he was a young man playing in clubs where you had to be on guard for your safety.
>>65091217
Pic related. This is you.
>>65091290
You need to get off the internet kid and go live in the real world where people actually exist. Nu males aren't a thing.
>>65091006
Add this and the pretty good Saints of Los Angeles
>>65090267
>Then came next stage: indie. It started introducing nu-males, manlets in skinny jeans as "rockers". All while rap received more and more money from labels.
The other problem was that metal after 1992 forgot how to write songs instead of gnash fragments, so that was the end of metal as a mainstream, commercial genre.
>>65091006
Their downfall started with Theater of Pain. Admittedly the B-sides are still balls-out rockers, but the singles show a disturbing shift towards a lightweight pop rock feel.
>>65091259
Yeah, it's pretty obvious. Before the civil rights movement, violence towards blacks was much more likely.
But I wouldn't say it was the same as the lifestyle popularized The Rolling Stones'. The latter was about destructive hedonism. Bluesmen certainly wouldn't dream of that.
Rock stopped being cool when it was played by literal senior citizens. In 1985, the Rolling Stones and those guys were in their 40s, not their 70s. Even the first generation rock-and-rollers like Little Richard were only in their 50s during the Reagan years.
You think a 14 year old of today finds an old skeleton like Mick Jagger cool or that he'd want to be him?
>>65090981
Well, anyway, "cool" was black slang word back in the day. But what you say is nonsense. OP gave a clear example: Motley Crue. They knew how to party and were cool guys in general. Lots of current popular rappers are simply racist and untalented.
As for old white people—they are just as cool as old black people.
>>65091415
>Yeah, it's pretty obvious. Before the civil rights movement, violence towards blacks was much more likely.
Although just as much of it was black-on-black violence.
>>65091499
>As for old white people—they are just as cool as old black people.
This is what baby boomers actually believe.
>>65091490
I'm pretty sure most 14 year olds _in_ the 80s considered MJ a senior citizen. When you're 14, a 40 year old seems pretty damn ancient. The Stones and nearly anyone associated with the 1960s were already very much dinosaur rock by that time.
>>65091564
I can remember being 16 and thinking Gwen Stefani at 35 was a grandma.
>>65090901
>>65091124
>>65090858
I mean the type of hiphop music most people listen to, which has been the main form of hiphop since it started existing. Hiphop started in the 70s with MCs rapping pure braggadocio. It wasnt until the early 80s it was about the streets and social problems and politics. It's about dominance. It's competitive. Women love dominance, men love being dominant. Everyone likes it from some perspective. The main hiphop acts are about killing their enemies, getting paid, fucking bitches. Biggie, Wayne, Jay-Z, 50, Young Thug, Future, Drake. There's a reason Wayne made 100 million and Common, Talib Kweli, Open Mike Eagle, and those types made way less.
Now as far as redpill being good or bad, I don't know. It means different things sometimes. I think of it as the general idea that men being dominant and strong is good. The other part of it is how this message is hated by the left wing media. They're talking about "toxic masculinity" these days, essentially shaming men for acting in the way they feel is right. The feminization of mens lives is insane now. As boys they cant get physical and rough-house at recess because all the teachers are women that don't understand that that is an important part of male socialization. The teachers, which are female, tend to chose books that girls like and boys find boring (boys normally like non-fiction and action, girls like girly shit and fiction).The SJW media often tells young men to act beta, which I think is causing harm to those boys, because if they believe that it's okay to be a pussy, they might be in for a shock when women aren't attracted to them. They may wonder why their boss doesn't promote them. The reason they toss around the word cuck for male SJWs is because cuck means being having someone fuck your bitch, which is what basically happens if you're a super feminist buzzfeed reading "nu male."
>>65090967
This doesn't even compare to the whole public toilet fiasco. For some reason the whole country has to know about it.
>>65091134
That's the thing I'm talking about.
Democrats' biggest crime is that they pretend white, especially male, people CAN'T have any problems. That there aren't poor white men, that they are all born with silver spoons in their mouths. That there aren't millions of white people in America barely being able to pay their bills, working their asses off almost without weekends.
cont. from >>65091615
I still vote democrat though. I see the problems with the pussification of men and how this leads to less satisfaction in relationships for both genders, but that doesn't affect my views on other political things. The problem is that so many of the people that are noticing the problem happen to be trumptards, who spout memes and are general retarded. I don't go on r/theredpill because they are too cultlike and plain stupid (basically the complete opposite of SJWs to the point they are just as bad, like a pendulum swinging back to the opposite side), but I am definitely anti-SJW, anti-feminist.
>>65091357
True. But also big labels stopped caring metal acts. I often hear about it in interviews with older rock stars.
Pretty much the only hair metal act that survived through these years is Bon Jovi.
>>65091314
Oh really. Look at NY. They are everywhere if you know where to look.
>>65091011
> All I ever really see him do is make appearances on late night tv shows trying to appear as if he's just "one of us"
that was literally Bush's campaign goal, to appear like hes some down to earth Texan, when in reality he graduated from 2 Ivy leagues schools quite easily
>>65091065
Why would i need a source for well known information? Most Democrats stick by Obama at this point, that WAS NOT the case with Bush, especially after 2007.
>>65085628
If you honestly care that much, you'll go to local shows and support them by buying their tickets and albums. There are TONS of local metal/punk acts in the LA area.
>>65091124
>Also, you're not mentioning that most rappers despise white people. They feel pure, unrefined racial hatred to anyone white.
Rappers don't seem to despise white people to me. I listen to several new hiphop albums a week and there is never any kill whitey stuff. Azaelia Banks is a freak and she has said some bad shit, but she is irrelavant.
>>65091134
>"small town" = "working class"
yeah ok
He claimed there has been no gain among the people in small towns, and thats not untrue. I don't know how you could listen to what he said and think thats some sort of indictment of his character
>>65091695
New Yorkers act like tough shit and are confrontational, I don't really see how thats "nu-male"
The only part about New York that has anything to do with your "nu-male" boogeymen is the city's superiority complex.
>>65091745
There are too many social outcasts who go to these.
Rock music used to be a unifying thing. You could make best friends at concerts. It was about socialization and fun. It still is, but it's become more and more niche.
>>65091719
>that was literally Bush's campaign goal, to appear like hes some down to earth Texan, when in reality he graduated from 2 Ivy leagues schools quite easily
I never remember Bush acting like a prissy nu male and complaining about rednecks clinging to their guns and religion.
>>65091852
>There are too many social outcasts who go to these.
Now you're just making excuses. The question OP asked was: "How can we go back to real rock music?"
You do that by supporting local acts. That's how it's always been done.
>Rock music used to be a unifying thing. You could make best friends at concerts. It was about socialization and fun. It still is, but it's become more and more niche.
It still is. Come out to Long Beach, Carson, the whole LA County area man. Your jadedness isn't helping anything.
>>65091134
The only time he used the word "working class" is when he said he had supporters among the working class, and in other places where you'd think he would have support, he doesn't.
Not to mention he was clearly talking about the mindset of his political opponents
>>65091636
>I still vote democrat though
Am I banned?
>>65091914
> complaining about rednecks clinging to their guns and religion.
You're misinterpreting his words because you're too much of a fuckwit: >>65091936
>>65091914
Obama didn't do that either. But even if he did you're being a hypocrite by pointing it out, you're creating the idea of a "nu-male" including what this hypothetical nu-male thinks and says, and then your using that as part of your argument, how is that different than what you say Obama has done?
>>65091664
>Pretty much the only hair metal act that survived through these years is Bon Jovi.
They only survived because they A. stopped being hair metal and B. continued to write good songs.
A lot of glam rock bands tried lamely to adapt to the 90s on albums like Generation Swine, Slang, and Native Tongue, but the songwriting sucked and came off as insincere and tryhard.
>>65091914
>I never remember Bush acting like a prissy nu male and complaining about rednecks clinging to their guns and religion.
Meanwhile your complaining that people have different opinions that you, who is the nu male now you moron.
>>65091615
>>65091636
You see, the democrats aren't interesting in equality. They are interested in shunning and hindering the white male majority. The pic explains perfectly well why.
They are only interested in demonstration of minorities' power to "scare" white males, bring them down morally. But most of all, of course, they are interested in non-white, non-males offending and fighting against the white males.
The problem is, many republicans do the same shit, except inverted.
I don't believe in any of that. I think both parties have gone to extremes. I hate SJWs as much as I hate bible-wielding self-righteous rednecks. They are the different sides of the same coin.
Obama is really the ultimate nu male and that's why everyone's laughing at him. And that's where Trump is winning. He's an alpha male at a time when people are tired of effeminate Tumblr geldings.
ITT: Full cringe
>>65091664
>True. But also big labels stopped caring metal acts
It seemed like after Pantera, they didn't want to bother with metal anymore.
>>65092153
Everyone hates them, it doesn't change the fact that you're inflating the problem that both of them create, and inject your own impressions of each group into your view of them and their politics
>>65091615
>>65091636
As for if "red pill is good or bad". You see, it's pretty easy to me: if something is done at expense of the other, it is bad.
I see supremacism as a bad thing. Skinheads are just as bad as feminists screaming "kill all men" and islamists killing in the name of their god. I think we should ultimately go for equality—and that's why I support classical liberalism.
Expressing power, sexuality is OK, but only when everyone can do that. Currently we see white female artists going out of their way to show their sexuality; but male sexuality is being completely repressed, misrepresented.
We also see black culture celebrated; but when whites want to celebrate their culture, they get attacked and called racists.
One might say that it is only fair, because white male people have been overrepresented for too long. But the correct answer to this problem would be to give everyone an equal opportunity to be represented—not reversing the oppression.
Unfortunately, today we see the latter.
Glam metal was fucking garbage and you should feel bad for liking it.
>>65092259
Yep—and that's only because Pantera were the biggest metal band in the south.
Nu-males and p4k act like metal was all bad, when objectively there was some great music there.
>>65092438
Ratt was garbage, true. Motley Crue wrote better songs than 99% of modern bleep bloop bands.
>>65092460
>Nu-males and p4k act like metal was all bad
That's because music critics are all people like Christgau who wank off punk/alternative bands and hate metal. He's not unique, in fact being one of the first-generation rock critics from the 60s, he set the tone that all subsequent generations of them follow.
"The reason why music critics love Elvis Costello is because they all look just like him."
-- David Lee Roth
I gotta give it, Nikki Sixx has really grown up and matured in his outlook on life while Gene Simmons still thinks he's 19.
>>65091929
>Now you're just making excuses. The question OP asked was: "How can we go back to real rock music?"
>You do that by supporting local acts. That's how it's always been done.
Nope. That's like saying "you go vote for your candidate". Your ticket money won't change the quality of music and the social climate. If it was so easy, we wouldn't be discussing it. At this point, going to see small bands feels like charity and activism.
>>65092460
Pantera got big because they created a new kind of metal that was in sync with 90s tastes - they in essence fused metal with alternative rock and dispensed with the corny sci-fi, Satan, and nuclear war lyrics that had previously been standard parts of metal since Paranoid.
>>65092529
Though I fail to see what makes punk/alternative more "mature" and "sophisticated" than metal. In what way are Black Flag or Green Day any less juvenile than Ratt?
>>65088331
>>65090793
>post-punk
Well it was indie in a nutshell. First indie bands appeared at around the same time—see Orange Juice for example. Still it had energy and, most importantly, grid. But the seeds were already planted, that's true, and the anti-Thatcherism was there.
I'm not even mentioning The Smiths though, Morrissey was THE proto nu-male. Ian Curtis comes pretty close, too.
>>65092529
I agree. In general, many critics tend to display liberal bias—unsurprisingly.
But there are some good critics who like metal. There also were magazines Kerrang at the height of the metal's popularity, after all.
Also see: Mark Prindle.
>>65092680
>>65092529
Yeah, basically. Christgau has a hard on for anything BACK 2 BASICS RAWK N RAWL FROM DA GARAGE or from NYC.
>>65090793
>Have you seen post-punk bands from the 80s? They're all 5'6 manlets with plastic rimmed glasses in skinny pants that cling to their 120 lb frame
I think Devo started this whole thing (especially the glasses bit) and The Cure accelerated it.
>>65092576
>That's like saying "you go vote for your candidate".
That's because this actually works. The problem is millions of people at once have the idea of "my vote doesn't count" which compounds the issue.
In regards to music, well yeah it is a bit like charity at this point as you say to support local acts. I don't know about the rest of this thread with Obama this, Reagan, etc. Electronic music ala EDM, and hip-hop music that empowers, is easier and FASTER to digest than rock music. It doesn't help that the rock music that was pervasive in the 90s was rather depressing and self-deprecating. The kids that would be making the rock music the 80s are now taking up turntables and becoming producers of hip-hop and EDM shit. I still maintain however that the rock that the OP states is forsaken is still around. Some of it in niches perhaps, but I've been to plenty of bumping shows recently.
>"why does rock suck now" thread
>Ratt is referred to as garbage
You don't deserve good rock n roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC6TNe_KW4I
>>65092725
>>65092680
if you go back to the 80s, alternative bands generally targeted the college crowd; their audience was older than Van Halen or Motley Crue's middle schooler demographic. Back in the 70s, before alternative bands, the college crowd listened to prog and singer-songwriters while 12 year olds had Alice Cooper and Kiss.
But in the 90s when Nirvana happened, then alternative became mainstream and most Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins fans were mommy issues tween girls who thought Eddie Vedder was cute.
>Hair metal
>good, ever
>>65092725
If you think I'm here to talk about some conspiracies, you're wrong. Record labels decide what they pour money into. Surprise—they pour it into "body-positive" feminists like Meghan Trainor and privilege checkers like Kendrick and Kanye. They get insane promotion and radio play only for what they say.
Also, implying Death Grips wouldn't be forgotten as a fringe act in the '90s. They are a meme, a p4k meme, to be exact. What they do has been done millions of time before them by other experimental bands. They were the first to get p4k approval because of their black frontman.
>>65092941
Death Grips is proof that rock never became became boring, you did. Go back to pussy church faggot.
>>65092899
It was actually a pretty dramatic shift in a few years. My dad graduated college in 77; during his college years, everything was all about Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, James Taylor, Bob Dylan, and Joni Mitchell, but my uncle graduated in 81; during his college years, everyone was into Devo and Cheap Trick (Van Halen for frat boy kegger gatherings)
>>65092834
OK this is pretty good, I have to admit. If your taste is indeed good, recommend me the best Ratt albums. Reach for the Sky has 15 (!) ratings on RYM with 3.09 rating https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/ratt/reach_for_the_sky/
>>65092941
And surprise, surprise. In the 90s, record labels, radio stations, and MTV decided they wanted to give all their money and airwaves to alternative rock and hip-hop and metal/cockrock could just jump in a lake.
>>65092938
For a treat, listen to Look What The Cat Dragged in; it has a very raw, lo-fi sound because it was recorded on the cheap and has none of the usual and widely detested 80s production gimmicks on it.
>>65092941
Could a post ever be more wrong?
>>65093085
I don't blame them; it was fresh and coming at a time when hairspray stadium rock had been going on literally 20 years. The Led Zeppelin school of rock star excess was getting stale and had to go.
>>65092938
>not appreciating fun, simple pop music
This is why rock is what it is today. Everything must have a deep meaning, everything must be "original". Sincerely writing catchy fun music for the hell of it is dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-DVdQdXyqk
>>65092822
> That's because this actually works. The problem is millions of people at once have the idea of "my vote doesn't count" which compounds the issue.
Well no, it doesn't really when you're alone.
You know, I have a huge respect for people who take the "be the change you want" idea to heart. I mean, look, for example, at Steve Albini. The man made the point of his life not to sell out. But I hate when such people start criticizing others. And, also, Steve Albini alone couldn't change the whole music industry. His impact on it was negligible. He's still a kickass producer though.
So what does "voting for your band with your money" really mean? That you do it mostly for yourself. Your ticket fare is a drop in the sea. The ripples from it will fade away before the waves of hype. In order for change to happen, the weather must change.
>>65093216
More correctly, that's why we laugh at people like Christgau.
>Motley Crue are too juvenile and us rock intellectuals are too good for that shit
>an album like Damaged, that's totally mature and on par with Bob Dylan for songwriting, no?
>>65093115
The front cover looks like a Revlon ad
>>65093216
I like fun, catchy music. But I don't like men dressed as poodles who can barely play their instruments
>>65093247
Did you not read the rest of my post or something? I was specifically talking about voting in elections with that vote doesn't count sentence. Everything else has to do with, as you say, the "weather." The internet unfortunately has birthed a generation that is used to getting quick gratification. That's why EDM and the like are so popular. I don't see rock music making a comeback any time soon.
modern music is over produced... too much studio compression, too much polish, not enough raw sound..
>>65093188
I mean, jeez. My dad was like 16 when Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones were God, and...flash ahead 20 years to 1990. He's now in his mid-30s and rawk is still exactly the fucking same. Guys with fluffy hair and guitar hero le epic solo antics. How the fuck much longer did anyone expect that shit to go on?
"When the MTV era started, it was hard for a lot of us, especially us older guys who came up in the pre-video era. We had to do something we were totally opposed to in order to compete. It became less of a Led Zeppelin world and more of a Bon Jovi world. The end result was that you had these...things in makeup (holds up copy of Look What The Cat Dragged In). That's not metal. It was a complete insult to everything we'd worked hard for years to build."
-- Ronnie Dio
>>65093085
Yep, that's exactly what I was talking about. Coinciding perfectly with the end of republicans' era.
>>65093115
Thanks for the rec.
>>65093032
I love when people post stories like these about actual music fans back in the day.
>>65093388
I see his point.
>>65093216
>simple pop music
This needs to go back. I miss Cheap Trick, Def Leppard, Ozzy and Dio.
>>65093310
OK, then I got you wrong. I meant exactly what you said. We can't bring back rock no matter how much we want it.
>>65093388
Only when Zeppelin did it, it was fresh and exciting.
>>65093478
>>65093388
>>65093309
Kek.
But really, I don't really care how musicians looked. That was the given in their era, as well as different sound gimmicks. I don't care if the music is good. If they wore makeup to sell, so be it.
Motley Crue grew out of it pretty fast.
>>65093495
>Coinciding perfectly with the end of republicans' era
That indeed; aside from the four years of Carter, the GOP dominated American politics for an entire generation.
>>65093706
>But really, I don't really care how musicians looked. That was the given in their era, as well as different sound gimmicks. I don't care if the music is good. If they wore makeup to sell, so be it.
The point was that by 1990, that "look" was going on 20 years and had outstayed its welcome. That alternative rock and hip-hop got big is not at all surprising, they were something new and different.
>>65093755
Politics seem to be getting more polarized now anyway. No party stays in power for decades at a time, nor do elections like 1972 happen anymore. We had 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Bush, 8 years of Obama, and soon 8 years of Trump.
>>65093755
And Carter won for the sole reason that his predecessor pardoned Nixon.
>>65093802
Then yes, I agree. '70s had glam: Bowie, Stones, T.Rex. '80s had glam too. There's only so long a trend can last… Except scene kids and emo pretty much brought glam back in the early 2000s. Bush indeed was a bad president.
And yes—politics was not the only reason alt-rock and rap got big, except rap got way bigger starting from 2000s. But its kick got way amplified by labels, and probably by the changing political landscape too.
clearly people need more fuckin slayer
>>65093309
If you're using Poison as an example, yeah, Poison was shit.
Ratt, Twisted Sister, Skid Row, Hanoi Rocks, Cinderella, and Tesla on the other hand wrote ass kicking rock n roll.
>>65094022
Rolling Stones were very much not glam rock, they were sweat bl00z barroom rock. Nor were The Who glam rock, however this was the general trend for British rockers in the 70s ranging from Zeppelin to Elton John to Bowie and even Judas Priest had a glam look in the early days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nD8qx10Bls
It's actually scary how much Rob Halford looks like Ziggy Stardust here, right down to the red mullet.
>>65094022
>Bush indeed was a bad president
In 2008 I would have agreed with you. After having seen what we replaced him with...
>>65092834
Everything except the vocals desu
>>65093802
>That alternative rock and hip-hop got big is not at all surprising, they were something new and different.
That and those genres were spurred along by Christgau and other critics who found metal nauseating and couldn't wait to rid the airwaves of it.
>>65094038
Patience. If Trump is elected, we may see a return of harder-edged music and the disappearance of hipster beta male shit.
All the same, you had guys like Neil Young who struggled in the Reagan years because they were totally out of touch with the trends at that time, but then he came back in the 90s when politics changed and leftist horse crap became popular.
>>65094240
Metal needs to start losing the "skull and cross bones" imagery and cheesiness if it ever wants to make it, no more evil scary monsters and horror shit, horror is the most hated movie genre and culture just because of how autistic it is
no more fantasy shit either, enough crap like "SLaying the dragon for the glory cause I'm a Martyr" bullshit
and the most cancerous of all metal atitudes: being all about partying and debauchery to compete with EDM and rap
If Metal adopted an "Apocalypse Now" sort of attitude, violent, crazy but still interesting it might make critical ground
>>65094278
don't count on it, if Trump gets elected the nu males with "rebel" harder and make shit even worse than it is now
>>65091314
What fucking city do you live in? They're literally everywhere where I live. It's disgusting.
>>65094411
leave the college town desu fampai
>>65088618
Sure, Trotsky. Lead the way.
>>65090267
>>65089142
Oh man, imagine if a song like Strutter came out today. Tumblr would have an aneurysm.
>>65094403
>if Trump gets elected the nu males with "rebel" harder and make shit even worse than it is now
They whined about Bush, but when he was president, rawk was still a thing.
>>65094476
>rawk was still a thing.
*Mall Metal
FTFY but that was also when libtardation really began kicking up a shit storm that was when the cancerous memerap like Kanye and Drake was around and need I remind you of Lil Wayne? good.
I miss Alice in Chains desu
>avoid this thread for hours
>finally open it
>literal NWO Obana conspiracies, people don't know what neoliberalism is, and lots of racism
good going, /pol/
>>65094588
this
>>65094452
Come on, Tumblr. do the twist! AAAAHHAAAA!
>>65094588
RIP Layne
>>65094595
Fuck, I accidentally misused the term. I meant the New Left. Neoliberalism is like the exact opposite of what I was talking about.
>>65094432
Birmingham, Alabama. It's not a college town.
>>65094595
>racism
Found the white-guilt dickhead.
>>65094452
She is even better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAo-LAZlkc
>>65094452
>Oh man, imagine if a song like Strutter came out today
The thing is, the 70s was back when feminism was at its height...but they didn't have the Internet as a soapbox, also they didn't have a president enabling them.
>>65087867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDx6_PLIVk
>>65094817
Kiss was GOAT https://youtu.be/lat7m_LIAl8
>>65094943
I wish stuff like this was made today. I'd listen the shit out of it.
I guess I'm the odd one out but I really don't mind that music is geared toward "nu males" these days, I like a lot of the music we've gotten out of it like Odd Future and Mac Demarco but I also enjoy a lot of the "cock rock" that most /mu/ fags hate, I will admit I've grown board of it now that it's all we've gotten for 6 years but what is the alternative? Can't we just have music that's fun for everybody? you know like Hendrix and shit? Does everyone who makes music like that just not care enough to aim for popularity?
>>65085628
Never really a glam fan but Looks that Kill was a kickass track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzzpTzCAAg
So was Kickstart My Heart
>>65095014
Recording industry is at all time low and is only going down. See pic related. The only opportunity for growth seen now is streaming, but I'm very skeptical about it.
Plus many older artists say labels control pretty much everything now and it's worse than it has ever been. Finally, there haven't been many discoveries in music for many years—I'm talking big trends like world music, guitar effects and so on.
>>65095059
https://youtu.be/XwMjLjB2Hlw
https://youtu.be/d2XdmyBtCRQ
https://youtu.be/OglaGA-UiLc
>>65085628
Talking only about fucking, partying, and enjoying life on a surface level is as pussy as it gets though. Rock n Roll's spirit is embedded in rebellion against oppression of any form, not this gay ass shit you're talking about.
>>65095235
>Talking only about fucking, partying, and enjoying life
Like it wasn't a form of rebellion on its own. Implying that Rolling Stones didn't do the same.
>>65095209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiVC89V4RpM
>>65095375
Fuck, sometimes I forget just how energetic they were.
My favorite of theirs is this unreleased track, bonus from the Shout at the Devil reissue: https://youtu.be/xeBKOVK8eUg . Better than most stuff from Girls, Girls, Girls.
>>65095343
Rolling Stones wrote songs about a lot of things though
Some classic to give some masculinity to this thread https://youtu.be/RisWH8iMLdE
>>65095446
Nikki Sixx is a pretty decent songwriter
>>65095502
True, but really I remember few of their lyrics to be rebellious. Street Fighting Man might be an exception, has always sounded kinda tongue-in-cheek to me.
>>65095601
That's an understatement. I think Crue is criminally underrated by everyone except metal fans. Saints of Los Angeles was an amazing song btw https://youtu.be/3J4WVdrZEr8
>>65095684
They weren't just a Party band either though, some of their shit is more depressing than TVU.
>>65095558
the guy who wrote that song would even tell you it's cancer so you can get the fuck out
>>65095884
Don't care—it's just brainless fun. The video is pure cringe though
>men in make-up & hairspray
>muh masculinity
People actually like overly masculine arena rock? The term nu-male has pretty much been run into the ground by now but from what I gather it's supposed to mean basically anything that isn't buff dudes in tight spandex playing loud and singing about partying. I just don't really see the appeal of that kind of music but maybe it's because I don't really have a social life.
>>65085628
80's rock sucked you faggot
What the shit are you all faggots talking about? Hair metal is the opposite of masculinity. It's grown men dressing like hookers and wearing big wigs and whore make-up while playing cheesy, campy as fuck soulless trash. It is the worst period in the history of popular music
Grunge was still masculine. Beta, but masculine. It was the fucking brits, who were too effeminate for grunge so they came up with "britpop" to stay relevant through the 90's
