Have you experienced these works of art?
>video games
>art
>>65079074
Hey look all those are overrated except for Ulysses
>>65079093
>Art
>Anything more than a word
I've never played zelda
>>65079117
are you saying someone out there did what the beach boys did on pet sounds better ?
>>65079074
>recording on video some gay dude talking shit for hours
>art
>>65079181
Dude I love Pet Sounds. Doesn't mean it is not overrated.
By "what the beach boys did on pet sounds" do you mean write well thought out and interesting pop rocks songs with great instrumentation?
>>65079074
Yes, I've experienced those two works of art.
>>65079210
yes
>>65079093
>>65079189
>anime
>Art
>>65079210
>>65079117
you don't understand what makes pet sounds and citizen cane good if you think they are overrated. It's like saying Ulysses is overrated.
>>65079810
Sorry. You can appreciate something and think it is great and still think it receives more praise than it deserves.
>>65079074
>OOT
>mattering
Liking it is fine, pretending it's important is something else.
>>65079861
if you want to be sorry about anything it should be talking about shit you know nothing about. You don't understand what makes any of these things good. your opinion shows that.
>>65079948
Alright I'll keep having shit opinions and you can continue with your vague baseless sense of superiority.
Ocarina of Time would be art if it wasn't for the fucking Water Temple
>>65080150
Pleb+noob=you
>>65080114
there's nothing vague about it. if you knew what you were talking about you would be able to defend your statement instead of posting redundant bullshit
>>65079074
>Ulysses
gets real fucking weird at some points but yeah it's alright
>Pet Sounds
great baroque pop, pretty much agreed to be one of the foundations of modern music and modern music production in general
>Citizen Kane
alright film that was revolutionary for its time due to it popularizing plot twists but overrated in all honesty
>Zelda
As a South African, I played OoT a few months back and it was fine but nothing amazing honestly, its modern acclaim is probably due to American nostalgia, and the fact that global videogame culture for the most part is perpetuated by America
>>65080276
>due to it popularizing plot twists
Oh boy. If you think that's the extent of the film's innovation then you have a lot to learn
>>65080150
the 3ds remake fixed that tbf
>book
Shakespeare's oeuvre
>film
The Tree of Life
>music
Tristan und Isolde
>videogame
Dark Souls and/or Fez
I would like to be proven wrong, but I probably won't be.
>>65080313
Fuck the 3DS remake, the screen is too damn small
>>65080350
You have horrible taste in movies and also
>Fez
Guys I think Phil Fish is now posting with a tripcode on /mu/
>>65079074
Why is Zelda there
Like that's absolutely trash
>>65080203
What are you even attacking? You're saying I'm wrong because I don't know what I'm talking about but you fail to identify what that is.
>>65080276
Citizen Kane was revolutionary because of the cinematography. Have you ever seen it?
>>65080419
he's mad anon just let it go
>>65079074
yes, now what do I win?
>>65080381
>he couldn't get into the Fez cryptography metagame
>>65080172
the only pleb is you anon
>>65080313
true, and i'm thankful for that, but there were a lot of little changes in the 3ds game that bugged me
look at the final battle for instance, the atmosphere in the original is off the fucking wall, but the 3ds version makes everything look so much brighter, nowhere near as great an impact.
>>65080381
>having shit taste
>>65080431
>implying anyone who watches films after 1941 exclusively thinks the cinematography of Citizen Kane is anything special.
>>65080350
if you want to be serious
>book
The Bible
>album
The Velvet Underground and Nico
>film
Battleship Potemkin/Citizen Kane/2001: A Space Odyssey
>videogame
Legend of Zelda
they might not be fun to read, play, watch or listen to nowadays for a lot of people, but you can't deny their impact on modern entertainment
>>65079074
all of them except for [spoiler]Pet Sounds[/spoiler]
>>65079074
>OoT
>not Twilight Princess
>>65080478
>TVU&N as impactful as the fucking Bible
>>65080473
I didnt imply anything. I'm telling you why citizen kane was and is considered a landmark film.
Literally babby's first favorite list
>>65080511
Best game in the series, right there with Majora's Mask
>>65079074
>white boy essentials
>>65080524
Sure, but many many films have far surpassed citizen kane in that regard. The same can't really be said for Pet Sounds. If it can please site examples.
>>65079074
>comparing pet sounds and legend of zelda to ulysses
Jesus, OP is an incredible faggot, even if this is b8.
>>65080511
It's a fucking reskinned OoT
>>65080150
Git gud
>>65080597
git baad
>>65080624
gitter done
>>65080551
>>65080574
>>65080595
>>65080597
>>65080624
>>65080631
This thread went to shit fast
>>65080596
Yeah, with better dungeons
>>65080468
This is cool as shit. I've always wanted to get into cryptography but I'm worried that I might just be too stupid
>>65080596
With better dungeons, bosses, atmosphere, story, soundtrack, mini-games and overall replay value. TP a BEST
>>65080631
>>>/pol/
To a nunnery, go; and quickly too.
Farewell.
>>65080703
I'm not a /pol/ack, but if someone insults my race I'll insult theirs back. That's how it works.
>>65080419
>>65080463
Im attacking your criticism that those are overrated. You are doing nothing to defend your criticism. Your whole shit is dumb ass hell. you've made an assertion, I told you that's bullshit and you must not know what you are talking about, then you just shrug and prove you have nothing to say about it since you are fucking stupid as hell. I'm not gonna give your gay baby brain a fucking 'history' lecture when the only level your retarded ass is capable of debating is childish assertions of the contrary. NO YOU. Nuh UH no. Nope. That's what youve done youre a fucking baby talking about shit they have no idea about it's fucking hilarious and grim that literal geniuses like me are enduring your fucking you up in you brain your rotting mother fuck lamo
>>65080655
>>65080695
Doing the exact same thing again only slightly better isn't impressive. It's iterative, not innovative like OoT was. It was also behind the times presentationally.
>>65080652
It was shit at its inception, you're just too much of a loser to recognize this.
>>65080695
Why does /v/ not like it, is it just a meme or something, dont go there very often
>>65080729
>Feeling defensive over one's race
>Not a /pol/itician
Something's not adding up right
>>65080744
I agree that the presentation was behind the times because from the time they showed the trailer in E3 in 2004 and the time it actually ended up being released two years later, they could have done so much with it but like with a lot of Nintendo games, it falls victim from "listening to the fans" too much and not making an actually cohesive and forward thinking game. TP is still fun though although I haven't played it in like 7 years, it's also officially turning 10 this year.
>>65080756
The tripfag is right about it being derivative, /v/ is usually turbo butthurt over things like that.
>>65080734
if trips all of these are shit
>>65080657
That's babby crypto, it just has pretty pictures. Actual crypto is way harder and boring as shit.
>>65080925
Well it is cryptography by definition, but the degree of knowledge it takes to solve most of it isn't anywhere near as acute as, say, cryptography that requires a deep knowledge of math and computer science. Although there was one puzzle in Fez where you had to translate a subtle (almost imperceptible) binary message to hexadecimal, then to ASCII. And the final puzzle that took the community weeks to solve was legit enigma-code levels of insane.
>>65079074
>tfw try to get into Ulysses but feel like i'm missing so much
Seems like the sort of book that requires a Phd in English to fully understand
>>65080478
The Bibile isn't art, it's a religious text.
>>65079074
I like you OP mayne
Ulysses is dope
>>65079074
>pet sounds is ulysses of music
>citizen kane is the ulysses of film
>>65079074
ocarina of time is shit jesus christ just stop
>>65080276
Jesus Christ you don't know shit about film
>>65080478
>The Bible
nigga have you not read any good fiction?
>>65079239
>shitposting
>not an art
>>65080276
>As a South African
What?
>>65079074
>putting ocarina of time along with those timeless classics
there are people who unironically believe this
>>65079912
Except it was legitimately revolutionary to 3d adventure games at the time
It's 2016 anon
Literally everyone of 4chan hates everything on that list out of sheer principle
>>65079117
That book is boring. If I wanted to read about everything going on in a day of a mans life I would read Twitter.
>>65080734
Dude even if you are just trolling, think about the time you spent typing that shit out. Calm down dude its's just a music forum.
>>65080350
>Fez
lol
indiefags are cancer
>>65080350
>Terrence Malick
>>65079074
Book: underrated by virtue of the act that most people who pick it up will never finish it out of the challenge.
Album: underrated because most people think the beach boys are no more than chintzy pop tunes and refuse to listen to the record. They made a better record than the Beatles ever did, despite most not considering the Beach Boys to be "the greatest rock band of all time"
Movie: Citizen Kane is incredibly overrated, and called the best movie of all time mostly by people who a) have never seen it, or b) have watched it so they can say "I've seen the best movie of all time." Seventh Seal, Seven Samurai, Ugetsu Monagatori, Chinatown, The Godfather, Blue Velvet and Metropolis (to name a few) all have more impressive editing and more sophisticated storytelling than Citizen Kane. Maybe great during it's time, but absolutely not the greatest film ever made.
Game: A childhood favorite, and one where every element of the game comes together so well that it's hard to imagine others that achieve the same level of gestalt. The music, art direction, sense of exploration and combat are top-notch. Not my favorite game of all time, but certainly up there.
>>65080350
>Fez
At least Dark Souls is an actual game
>>65079074
Ocarina of Time is not an example of good game design
>>65084609
Go home Egoraptor
>Ocarina of Time
>not Oracle of Ages and Seasons
>>65084552
He's made of pure light, my friend. He eschews narrative to give us something that appeals to our aesthetic and emotional senses rather than any internal storytelling criteria we've constructed over the years.
But I can't hate you for not liking him. It's not what Terry would want.
>>65080734
autistic mario-shirt wearing baby right here
>>65079093
End ur life
>>65084745
thank you for alerting us of your arrival
Is Citizen Kane really worth watching if I've never enjoyed any movies, including classics like Casablanca?
>video games
>art
>>65084893
This
>>65080431
Honestly it wasn't all that revolutionary, but it was incredibly well executed.
>>65084893
>video games
>film
>pop music
>art
>>65084604
>>65084437
Do you guys consider Fez to be a platformer?
>>65084865
I think it helps if you know what you're looking for in each classic - what makes it stand out against other films. Citizen Kane used sets and photography like never seen before and stands up today as one of the finest in the field of cinematography (ignoring the stock footage at the beginning)
>>65084949
a shitty one
>>65080350
videogame is by FAR dwarf fortress
All of them except Zelda, I played for about 10 minutes at a friends house and got bored.
>>65085001
What if I already know the twist?
>>65080276
How many white devils did you kill today?
>>65079074
All of CK and parts of the others.
>>65080657
>This is cool as shit. I've always wanted to get into cryptography but I'm worried that I might just be too stupid
>NSA EXIST AND DO THEIR STUFF
> I'm worried that I might just be too stupid
>>65085012
Alright. My enjoyment of the game didn't come from its platforming, though. The game starts for me after you see the first ending, and at that point you can just avoid the platforming by flying.
>>65085055
>be Phil Fish
>too incompetent to make decent platforming
>know it's too shit for anyone to stand
>give players a choice to skip it all
That's not a good sign. He should've made it a pure puzzle game if he was going to let you skip the platforming entirely.
>>65085133
>be Phil Fish
>get child porn sent to you on a regular basis
>>65085165
>be Phil Fish
>tell people to suck my dick and choke on it
>>65085197
>be Phil Fish
>some of those people who follow him on twitter and read that message are children
>>65085133
The way the game's actual puzzles are constructed are intended to lead the player slowly into them by creating a facade of a cutesy platformer. So there's a sense of discovery, where what you initially thought was pixel art decoration ends up being a key aspect to solving the majority of the game. It's actually a pretty mindblowing bait-and-switch if you don't know that stuff going in.
>>65085231
>>65085197
>>65085165
>>65085133
>be Phil Fish
>be the Kanye West of videogames
>>65085276
>be Kanye West
>make video game
>do not become the Kanye West of video games
>>65085276
Nah Kanye West is alright.
Phil Fish literally only made Fez and made jack shit after that out of butthurt
>>65085348
Games take years to make, especial when you're the sole designer. Even if he actually wanted to make something after Fez we probably still wouldn't have it.
>>65085435
He dropped out of development and isn't making any vidya anymore.
>>65085506
He'll be back eventually, once he runs outta that Microsoft dough.
>it's a "people pretend indieshit is video games" episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ
>>65079074
all except kayne
>>65085540
What'd you think of Her Story? Better than the Witcher 3, right?
>>65080150
you're an idiot
>>65079074
i played that Zelda game but i never finished it
i don't care about the other three
>>65085576
>Her Story
>a game
Come on, those fags are free to make their "interactive experiences" and sell that shit on Steam, but to say they are video games the same way, say, Contra Hard Corps or Quake are is stupid as all hell. It's a whole different metric there.
>>65085669
Bait
>Ocarina of Time isn't even appreciated as a dated classic anymore
Just fucking K I L L M E
>>65085660
lol I don't see why people get so up in arms about the distinction. It's not like Her Story and Gone Home keep more interactive games from existing, or taint their perception in any way
>look up zelda
>its some game from the 80s were everything is all blocky
take off your nostalgia glasses, its aged like strawberries
>>65085669
>>65085711
you're right, i fucked up
here's the actual 4 highest works of art
>>65085669
Is this the most popular of each medium?
>>65086111
no, this >>65086099 is
according to google and wikipedia
>>65086138
Harry Potter is not the most popular film. And if you include every iteration of Tetris, it's probably much more popular and recognizable than GTAV.
>>65080381
>Phil Fish
Do people still like to pretend that that faggot wasn't right?
I mean, jesus christ, he practically predicted gamergate. the "hardcore gaming" community exposed themselves as everything he said they were.
>>65086111
>>65086138
>>65086197
harry potter philsiphers stone is not the single best selling film there is, adjusted for inflation, thats gone with the wind, or without adjusting its avatar
but its the best selling film series and also philosopher's stone is the best selling out of the harry potter series, so i included it
as to why i put GTA V, pic related
>>65085757
VNs get sold through the same medium as vidya yet you don't see people saying those are games. These fags have the balls to call their shit "art games" as though R-Type, Civilization, Doom et al aren't art.
>book
Lolita
>film
8 1/2
>album
Pet Sounds
>Game
topkek
>>65084865
watch film from around the world. See which region of film you like the best. start with popular classics like the seventh seal, la dolce vita, the 400 blows, seven samurai, etc.
>>65086302
>>65086302
The distinction between a visual novel and a game like Her Story is that, while the interactivity is minimal, that interactivity is actually required to understand and derive enjoyment from it. In a visual novel you just press the right of the screen to turn the page, but in something like Her Story you have to enter those words and phrases and come up with your own theories about what's happening and where to go next. I have tons of notes for the game despite its limited interactively.
>These fags have the balls to call their shit "art games" as though R-Type, Civilization, Doom et al aren't art.
It's a dumb, pretentious distinction, but that same distinction exists in music and film. Some people call certain movies "art films" as if the first Star Wars isn't art.
>Book
The Catcher in the Rye
>Record
TVU&N
>Film
Ghostbusters
>Game
Metal Gear Solid
Come at me
>>65086537
Interaction required=/= video game
Simulators aren't necessarily video games
>>65086948
There's no objective definition of videogame, though. Plenty of games don't have fail states, plenty are more about watching than interacting, plenty are text-based. There's no reason why Her Story can't be defined as a game.
>>65086941
>The Catcher in the Rye
You have to be 18 to post on this site.
>>65087181
>dislikes Catcher in the Rye
spotted the 18 year old
>>65080478
Or if you're being truly serious;
>Book
Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy/Ulysses by James Joyce
>Pop/Rock Album
Rock Bottom by Robert Wyatt
>Film
Akira Kurasowa's Ran/Werckmeister harmóniák/Citizen Kane
>Videogame
I don't really know enough about video games, I suppose Super Mario bros. would be a serious contender though.
>>65087356
Sorry for going further with my reading than the mandatory high school curriculum.
>>65079210
>write well thought out and interesting pop songs with great instrumentation
you don't understand it's influence
>>65087401
Illustrating my point exactly. The mentality of an 18 year old who wants to seem mature beyond his years so he shuns the stuff slightly younger kids consume.
>>65087387
>Book
Finnegan's wake
>Film
Satantango
>Album
Disintegration Loops
>Video Game
Madden 12
>>65084931
It was revolutionary, you're talking completely out of your ass. Stick to music.
>>65080575
>Sure, but many many films have far surpassed citizen kane in that regard.
Not really.
>>65087860
>>Book
>Finnegan's wake
Come on son
>>65079117
Go to /lit/ and look around for two seconds. Ulysses is not overrated.
>>65079074
Ulysses is jibberish
Nice /lit/ crosspost
>>65080150
water temple is an avant-garde masterpiece
>>65087860
>Book
Brothers Karamazov
>Film
2001
>Album
Sgt Peppers
>Citizen Kane
>Not BvS
Synder is God.
>Book
Don't read alot of them but I liked Mythology.
>Album
Pixies - Doolittle
>Film
Hot Fuzz, probably the first Matrix film too.
>Game
Fighting games
>>65087930
Renoir and Ford did it before Welles did.
>>65092650
this
>Book
Ulysses ye
>Album
The black saint & the sinner lady
>Movie
Taxi Driver/Seven Samurai
>Video Game
Video games aren't art
Dark Souls/Tetris
>>65086243
>"hardcore gaming" community exposed themselves as everything he said they were.
were what? this is as the equivalent of someone outside of /mu/ saying everything if /mu/core is obscure hipster shit.
>>65087458
It's more because of it's your favorite book, not because you liked it. there's a difference.
>>65096054
hello miss Patty Trish
>>65087860
put pathologic in vidya and you'll complete the starter pack
>>65079074
>>65079093
They are art, indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvwhfmhXz4U
>>65096551
I keep trying to convince myself to buzz my hair and keep my beard, but if I had a nickel for every faggot nerd who gives me reason not to do it, I'd have a lot of fucking faggot nickels
>>65084173
I know this is bait and I'm still triggered. Please fuck off
>>65084599
underrated post
these are great opinions and although I agree that OOT is one of the crowning achievements of its media, to suggest its on the same artistic level as Ulysses and Pet Sounds is laughable
Shout out to Seventh Seal, that's a fantastic film
>>65096905
>giving a "shout-out" to an Ingmar Bergman film
be gone, plebeian
>>65086243
>gamergate
it was fucking nothing but overreaction from video game ""journalists"" who had been exposed to the nature of the internet for the first time, it seems
