Is this true?
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Is this true?
It's important to stick to vinyl though. I've discovered during the last two years, since I can take CD-Rs home from the mastering plant, that there's an astonishing variation in quality between different CD plants. If you think digital is perfect, I have news for you. Many of us have been fooled by this myth that it's just 0s and 1s and therefore copies perfectly. It doesn't. The variations in quality are pretty wild, and random. Just the way you hook up a cable can make a difference. And there's no quality control in these CD plants, other than someone checking whether there's any level being transferred.
Most of us take it for granted that a CD is a CD, and we almost never discuss about varying standards of manufacture. I can't say too much about current US manufacturer's because I have few US made CDs. I have still detected a general shrillness to many US CDs ("let's tweek the high end to make them sound sharp to delude the general public that our CDs sound better than vinyl and tape"). Tweeking the high end also accentuated the hiss. After so many disappointments and revelations having heard import versions after getting US discs I have concentrated on acquiring import pressings.
As for maunfacturers themselves: on the import side I like the clarity of Nimbus UK but they can be hissier and lighter on low end than MPO France which produces well rounded sounding CDs. PDO have been fine except for the recent PDO UK disc rot problem. Sonopress in Germany are adequate. I used to shy away from DADC in Austria (Sony Europe uses them) but have realised that was a personal bias. Nimbus USA (Virginia) vary. Their reissues of the OMD catalogue were shoddy. DADC in Indiana (Sony/Columbia) are so so.
I can't imagine what this comparison means.
Does it mean that vinyl is for people who are intolerant to more recently developed technology?
>>65075897
Except nobody listens to CDs now m8 do they
>>65075859
That heavily implies Vinyl is actually a necessary thing for some people but also used by fuckwits who want to be special snowflakes.
>>65075899
pretentious twats use it as a status symbol to feel superior and special
>>65075859
>>65075897
>>65075899
jesus fucking christ I can understand wanting good quality sounding music but this is unbridled autism
why do you give a shit
>>65075897
al dente
Is it just me or is this pasta really new? rbt went only back to april
>>65075897
Is this just a meme? It's a digital copy, why would there be variations between copies?
>>65075859
I agree with the FLAC comment, but fuck off with the "LE vinyl sux coz hipsters XDdogital 4 lyfe" shit
>>65075918
I do
>>65076167
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions in the music community regarding the differences between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC format. It is true that 320kbps is technically as good as FLAC, but there are other reasons to get music in a lossless format.
Hearing the difference now isn’t the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is ‘lossy’. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA – it’s about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don’t want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.
>>65075960
underrated
So CD buyers are like fat Americunts who gorge on Maccas all day and think it's top quality.
>>65076167
>fuck off with the "LE vinyl sux coz hipsters XDdogital 4 lyfe" shit
struck a nerve didn't it
>>65076193
>rotational velocidensity
gets me everytime
FLAC doesn't actually help, other than that it's higher quality so you can afford to lose more data. To be really secure you need error correction like on CDs. However, the degradation is a LOT slower than the pasta claims so don't worry about it. Buy CDs or vinyl records (or pirate ISOs if you can find them I guess) for music that you REALLY love and want to last 50 years, and use FLAC/mp3 for the rest.
>>65076299
>pirate ISOs
i'm really glad DVD-As didn't take off.
>>65076193
do mp3s lose kbps on a CD?
>>65076495
Yes. Faster on than on a hard drive actually. But see >>65076299
>>65076537
*than on
>>65076495
Yep, all thanks to rotational velocidensity unfortunately. My mp3 CDs are all degraded now; sounds like whitenoise.
A lot of this is subjective and gets into theory about the way we perceive sound and how modern digital music is mastered, but I recently plugged my phone into an amp playing Joanna Newsom's Ys at 320kbps and had my turntable, which was plugged into the same amp, play the same record, and the vinyl just sounded richer and more dynamic. I don't know. I'm not a "muh film grain" hipster either, I just thought it sounded better.
>>65076653
That was probably different masters too tho.
>>65076227
Vinyl revival is a mostly American phenomenon. Almost 12 million records were sold in the States last year, which is higher than in most other countries even when you account for population differences.
>>65076664
That's what I mean. A lot of this has to do with how digital music is mastered to be as loud as possible.
But there's reasons to collect vinyl
>Big art
>Warmer sound
>Extras in the record sleeve (sometimes)
>Collectible
And most importantly:
>Tri Repetae is only complete in this format
>>65076770
>Warmer sound
best marketing trick ever
I like the posters and shit
>>65076193
Stop with this fucking retarded pasta
>>65075899
an atheist, a vegan, and a vinyl collector walk into a bar
>>65076984
An atheist would be the sort of person to shit on a vinyl collector. They probably think we're deluded
>>65077107
Is there actually people here that aren't atheist? I understand the hatred for the "Holier than thou" mentality and smug attitude branch, but just from a rational perspective, why is there so much hate towards atheism if it's ultimately the most sound viewpoint?
>>65076770
/thread
>>65077812
>flac is about preserving sound quality and only good things can come from it
>veganism is about reducing nutrition and only bad things can come from it
???
>>65077901
>only bad things can come from it
>less global warming
>bad
>>65077812
except abiogenesis is fundamentally flawed and easily dismantled so the focal point of atheism falls with it
define """sound""" u fedoralord fagshit
>>65076186
autist
>>65076299
Also if you're that paranoid about it, I can't imagine you ever actually spinning a record. Friction and wear.
>>65076653
There's tons of variation with vinyl as well though. For some reason my copy of Crime of the Century sounds orgasmic. No idea why. None of my other records sound that good.
>>65078755
Vinyl tear is linear, rotational velocidensity is exponential.
>>65075960
lel
>>65076299
exactly my stance on this issue
I only listen to my music through a physics simulator in which I have set up my favorite LPs and a record player
>>65077965
How is abiogenesis "fundamentally flawed"?
>>65077952
>>65077901
>fewer dead animals
>massive reduction of strain on ecosystem
>greatly decreased incidence of heart disease, diabeetus
i'm not a vegan but it is a good thing
>wanting colored sound
are you the same people who buy +$1000 "high-end" tube amps?
Can someone explain to me how rotational velocidensity works? It makes no sense to my scientifically inept brain. Or maybe I'm just being rused.
>>65077894
you can just tell this was written by a plebian. It's got pleb written all over it.
>>65077812
>being this deluded by ideology.
>>65077812
Atheism is actually never rational because it is an assertive position based on no certain knowledge. "God does not exist" is as declarative and positive a statement as "God does exist".
Any gnostic position on (a) deity is going to fall under this category. The rationalist approach to this dilemma would be agnostic theism.
>>65079529
How is agnostic theism more "rational" than agnostic atheism?
>>65079322
Very simplified: things spin very fast and stuff (bits) get displaced.
>>65080604
Presumably this wouldn't happen with, say, an SSD, then?
ITT: /mu/ science
>>65076193
>in a cool, dry place
>>65080767
No, but SSDs have other issues.
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
>>65080767
That's negated by the fact that SSD's deteriorate over time writing to it. that's unrelated to music in general but as children to the SSD parent the mp3s cannot help but deteriorate as well (they load in faster because SSD's work faster, so the "digital friction" so to speak, making them shave off after years
>>65075928
Some people have the equipment to actually get some kind of benefit from vinyl (and listen to records that were actually made to be played on the format), whereas others play it on shitty cheap record players because they want to feel special.
>>65080974
People who require gluten free don't get special benefits from eating that kind of food.
This would be like you literally had an allergy to digital music media.
>>65081005
>radiation allergy
>>65076193
I still laugh at this
>>65077894
here's a spirituality joke for y'all
knock knock
who's there?
.....
>>65076149
compression and noise you dunce. How young are you?
>>65081005
Yeah, surprisingly enough there isn't an exact analogue (no pun intended) between the two, but that's the closest you're gonna get.
>>65076299
Anyone can learn to slow their hard drive rotation velocity, as well as their CD player's, with a screwdriver and some conductive metal to ground any charges to prevent frying the databoards.
This, and keeping all equipment in a cold room, will slow degradation.
