gust jonna laeve this here
theestablishment dot co/2016/05/20/are-mis-gendered-band-names-ironic-or-sexist/
>>65042216
This is problematic
>>65042216
Maddie/Banshee <3
>The Dead Boys
Fuck, they're right, that doesn't feel good at all. Fuck cis white men.
I knew Grimes was an idiot but I didn't know she was that fucking retarded
>>65042235
shut up, montie
Fuck this thread, but before I go let me just say
YOURE
>The same goes for people of color. Take the band Slaves, made up of white men. To decide as white men that a band name like Slaves isn’t offensive because “lots of words have two meanings” and, “We live in a society already where people are terrified of the way they act being interpreted, and it’s just getting harder,” is to disregard the struggle of a group whose suffering you have already benefited from and will never understand.
White slaves don't exist apparently?
This fucking triggered me and I'm not even white.
>>65043557
I interpret 'slaves' as a sexual act, gachi BDSM bondage gay porn website
>>65042235
shut up, montie
>>65042235
shut up, montie
>>65042235
shut up, montie
While I disagree with the general rhetoric here I'm particularly weirded out by how only white men in bands "using femme language" is an issue. Why do they need to clarify that these people are white? Or cis? Isn't the problem based on men using the word "girl" in a band name? So how did ethnicity come into this, on any level whatsoever?
>Swans
>not even multiple large waterbirds with long flexible necks, short legs, webbed feet, broad bills, and typically all-white plumages
>frontman's also a rapist
this is deeply problematic
>>65044072
kek
>>65044072
>Animal Collective
>none of the members are even trans-species
Triggered
>>65044162
>implying
>>65042235
Hey Montie. You seem like a nice guy. Don't let anyone get you down.
inb4 "lol samefag"
>>65042216
>Foo Fighters
>not WWI era UFOs
>The Monkees
>not just literally apes performing on stage
>The Dead Kennedys
>not just a group of corpses
this is problematic
>>65044195
>The Beatles
>not incest bug creatures
>>65043053
this.
Using "fucked up" to describe anything is the lowest form of discussion. Grimes is such a shit "artist". Geez.
>>65042216
Thanks for sharing this. It was a good read, even if the only reason you did share it was to mock it.
>Gorillaz
>No a pack of grammar-incompetent over sized monkeys.
It's 2016. How's this still allowed?
>“It’s really fucked up to call yourself Sophie and pretend you’re a girl when you’re a male producer [and] there are so few female producers.”
Jesus Christ, Claire. Does she literally have no concept of art
also how the fuck does she know sophie isnt a trans guy or whatever? did she ask him what his fucking pronouns are or whatever? fucking daft
>>65044223
>incest bug creatures
>>65044223
>actually would describe Beatles as "insect bug creatures"
WEW LAD
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>>65044190
shut up, montie
she acts like having girl in your bands name somehow removes one female musician out of existence. the representation wouldn't change if they had a different band name.
>>65044162
>Animal Collective
>not Otherkin Collective
p r o b l e m a t i c
>>65042216
>Website talks about "muh oppression!"
>Writer does a ridiculous over-analysis
>Writer gets notoriously triggered by these cis scum and talks about typical feminist bullshit
>muh moozik is also for womyn!
>muh body is not a product!
>See related articles
>"How to get your sexy summer body back!"
Can't make this shit up, folks.
i think the trend they're talking about is kind of lame but it's not really something worth getting mad or writing a thinkpiece about
>>65044309
Tokimonsta, a female producer, named a track after Ryuichi Sakomoto - she didn't bitch about how he couldn't inspire her because he didn't have a vagina.
>>65044616
because toki has a head on her shoulders unlike grimeth
A whole lot of male fragility in here.
>>65044647
please explain how this >>65044410 is male fragility. the article just doesn't make sense. there are actual reasons that one could focus on why female musicians aren't properly represented, this isn't one of them at all.
>>65044647
Are you surprised? lol it's 4chan
>>65044218
hey aaron, what do you do for a living?
>>65044410
no she doesn't
>white woman in America who gets paid to write articles on the internet
>not more privileged than 99.9% of the world
>>65044647
>>65044768
You both have penises.
You are men too, no matter what you call yourselves.
>>65044647
>Relax, just breakin' ya balls
>>65045077
I'm actually a girl, but okay lol
>>65045098
How new are you?
>>65044266
i'm interested in social justice
this was a fucking shite article, get your lame ass identity politics out of music y'all boring motherfuckers who peddle this shit
i mean sorry for overreacting but mindsets like this bring about the death of art
>waaah cant be a band with the word girl in the title if you aren't a girl
holy fuck neck yourself if you actually buy into this garbage
R.I.P. Andrew Jackson Jihad and Viet Cong
Queen should be wiped from history for being problematic enough to have a female band name with no females in the band.
i wonder how many people starved to death in the time she took to write this article
>>65045234
Hey you, "queen" is quite often used as a homophobic slur. Freddie Mercury was bisexual. It's re-appropriation.
>>65045242
i wonder how many people starved to death in the time you took to write this comment
>>65045259
less than her, looks like i win at social justice
>>65045278
>i win at self righteousness
congratulation
>>65045190
>muh art
Nothing new under the sun
>>65045296
>>muh art
I know you're baiting, but shit, there are people retarded enough here to fall for this shit and actually believe that at should be censored by made-up social rules.
Careful, mister trolley.
i think people should be allowed to name their bands whatever they want. i think people making a fuss over something like the subject in this article are so obscenely privileged that they are grasping at straws, desperate to find something to be angry about. for the fleeting moments like these, i am somewhat relieved to be a homosexual male in an accepting society, who does not have to worry about courting a woman who has this type of mindset.
>>65045332
>criticizing art is implicitly calling for censorship
>>65045332
that art should...*
>>65045355
>>muh art
>criticism
:^) upboat for you, kind sir!
>>65045355
THIS article IS implicitly calling for censorship.
>>65045375
>>>muh art
>>criticism
wasn't referring to my comment
Ok.
>>65045391
see
>>65045379
>>65045379
no, unless saying "post punk is bad" is calling for censorship
>deaf leppard
>not a band of cats with hearing aid
T r i g g e r i n o
![jimmy-2-times_01_1194396818_640w[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eqLD5uI.jpg "jimmy-2-times_01_1194396818_640w[1].jpg")
>>65042216
I wanna punch that purple haired bitch in the face so bad, so bad
I used to be in a pop punk band back in the mid 2000s called "Kiss My Cheek Girls." That name would not fly today and come to think of it, it did not fly back then either.
>>65045403
I honestly lack the sufficient spare brain cells to read that shit article in its entirety. Unless the it concludes with proper criticism that replaces or redirects the seriously retarded "muh pussy is sacred" ideology displayed in the beginning of the article, I'm afraid you're a fag with no grounds to support yourself.
Then again, I can't be bothered to read that shit.
Keep on baitin', mah nigga.
>>65043606
Fuck you
>>65045460
>not a single counterargument
ITT: Beta White Males who gets triggered by what a female writer writes on the internet
>>65045469
FUCK YOU LEATHERMAN
>>65045479
So much this. Why do you faggots even give a fuck, just don't read the article and you won't get upset.
I like pretending that people like the one who wrote this article do not exist in real life, and only live on the Internet. Sort of like me.
>>65044072
kek'd
>Devo
>Aren't actually Devo, just a bunch of men
the rapemen
not actually etc
>>65044647
I support feminism, LGBT rights and the fights for racial equality, but the more visible social justice scenes you people have in the USA are kind of ridiculous sometimes.
Of course upper-middle class kids from the most powerful country in the world would think that some guy with a femenine stage name is 'fucked up' and a serious case of appropiation.
>grimeth saying that "calling yourself a woman is fucked up"
Triggered, how dare she be a transphobe
>Women and nonbinary people are desperate to see ourselves in, well, any kind of pop culture
Stopped reading
>>65042235
Please leave
>Chet Baker
>can't bake for shit
occupational appropiation shakingmyhead
>>65042216
am i the only one who couldnt care less about articles about this kinda shit? like who cares. people are allowed to be triggered by band names just like youre allowed to be triggered that theyre triggered. but then again i dont really care about anything, even things i should especially care about. should i care about this? i dont know
>>65042235
shut up, montie
Also your GF looks like young Roger Waters
>>65047438
>but then again i dont really care about anything, even things i should especially care about. should i care about this?
You should definitely start caring things you should especially care about before caring about misgendered bandnames.
>>65043053
> I knew Grimes was an idiot but I didn't know she was that fucking retarded
“It’s really fucked up to call yourself Sophie and pretend you’re a girl when you’re a male producer [and] there are so few female producers,” she begins, before trailing off again. “I think it’s really good music. I probably shouldn’t have said that…”
>>65043557
I agree with what you said plus
>of a group whose suffering you have already benefited from
what the fuck? Don't they understand that the people who lived in the past are not the ones who lived today, do they mean by that the you inherit the sins of your parents?
Because if that is so, she must have really benefited from the suffering of the native Indians. And how unemphatic of her, throwing nuclear bombs against the Japanese. Why the fuck did she enter the war against Spain in Cuba when it was none of her business, why did she make so many Vietnamese people suffer in the Vietnam War, why did she decide to build concentration camps for Koreans in USA...
Fucking god, they are so fucking retarded...
>>65047974
>she must have really benefited from the suffering of the native Indians
well, yes
i agree wholeheartedly with this article
i went to see perfect pussy and was outraged that it was in fact a band made up of human beings and not an enormous performing vagina
>>65048033
Is an enormous vagina what you consider perfect?
>"Does it mean you’re better than a girl band? Does it mean you view girl bands as dismissive or stupid?"
remember that an "academic" wrote this
america is a fucking joke honestly
open a million shit universities to suck stupid students dry and populate them with staff that can't form a sentence
>Radiohead
>head not a radio
>>65044258
that's a pretty dumb criticism
>>65047928
does she not get the whole point of him being named sophie
is she actually retarded or some shit
Neil Young is an Ageist Cis-fuck. I'm triggered every time I see him
>>65042235
>>65044190
shut up, montie
>>65048293
what is the whole point of him being named sophie?
AUGHHH HUMANS ARE FUCKING STUPID KEKEKEKEKEKEK
>Queens of the Stone Age
>Aren't actually female
>nor are they from any royalty
>not even in the stone age.
>>65042216
>using the word 'cis' unironically
>>65048358
iirc it's part of the concept behind pc music whole. they're supposed to be a deconstruction of pop music as a product, and him using that name when really he was just the producer and the label would hire random amateur singers for vocals was kind of a play on that. essentially, they dehumanize the songwriting/recording process to make it as neatly packaged and as easily consumable as possible, kind of like a soulless assembly line.
>>65045479
>not reading the article for an opinion piece to assess for claims which can then be argued for or against
I wish the conversation wasn't such a beta echo chamber, but why are you in this thread though?
>>65048403
that's fucked up
>>65045477
have a (You) desu
>>65048393
>not using the word CIS unironically
what else do you call it?
>>65048487
Normal
>>65048494
No, that would be confusing.
>>65048494
OHFUCK
>>65048455
that's the point of it
basically a fuck you to pop music while working within it and still trying to make something interesting
almost closer to performance art honestly
>>65048494
>>65048494
See, cis people are the norm, but the word normal doesn't accurately describe what characteristic it is that you're having a conversation about, cisgendered is handy for that. Cis isn't a word, anyway.
>>65048494
TRANNIES AND FAGS BTFO
>>65048522
>cis isn't a word
not anymore, it's literally the opposite of trans- it means 'on the side of', but gets a backronym of "Comfortable In Sex".
>>65048494
Except that trans is far more common than cis due to there being much less tension and thus far lower energy requirements
>>65048494
topkek
>>65048546
THat's what I'm saying, it's a prefix. Although upon googling, apparently the chemisty term is a word on its own.
>>65048494
nice one
>>65048606
you're talking about cis-trans isomerism, which have the same meanings- on the same side/on a different side; albeit in the context of molecular construction rather than gender/sex.
>>65043557
at the risk of sounding like an alt-right neckbeard it's legit kinda gross and racist in itself to associate "slave" with black people and black people only
people of literally every culture and skin color have endured mass slavery at one point or another and black people in the US aren't even the most recent example.
>>65048645
I don't see how that's alt-right at all anon, immediately assuming due to cultural context that slavery=one race is definitely indicative of the cultural effects of racism
>Pussy is a reclamation! It’s disappointing to me that a word associated with my body is used to either insult or sexualize people . .
Dick is an insult. I have been called a dick many times.
>>65048638
Yeah I know what cis and trans mean, I did chemistry in high school, I just incorrectly assumed they were prefixes for something in that context too.
i made this thread and went to bed after Montie replied, and wake up to this
same thing happened with the RYM Fugazi review thread the other day, have i finally mastered the art of making people mad
frump
>>65044072
>swan
>white
>not black
Confirmed for living in a shit country
>>65048951
No you haven't you fucking faggot
>>65048494
made my day anon
I'm genuinely surprised that a human being with brain cells wrote this article.
>>65042235
I agree
also shut up
>>65048403
what
he literally picked the name 'sophie' becuase he likes how it sounds. thats it.
trust me all this stuff about deconstruction is made up. he and the pc music people just like playing pop music.
>>65050970
Writers for those type of sites don't exactly need much in the way of musical knowledge or intelligence.
>>65042235
Fuck me up the ass Montie
>>65042216
Seth Putnam passed on too early.
New Anal Cunt material is badly needed.
>>65042216
Some of those bands are pretty clearly saying things like "we call ourselves girls because girls are silly" and that's sexist but a lot of the article is about how girls aren't being taken seriously in the rock music industry which is only marginally related to that or rather they stem from the same source and one isn't the cause of the other.
>>65047466
Share montie gf pics pls
>>65052998
Bump
I saw cheap girls when they toured with Andrew Jackson Jihad. I really liked them desu.
>>65042235
fuck you, montie
>>65045296
>trivializing art and human expression
kek, i think you need to neck yourself
>>65042235
ofc the cuck would think this
don't even bother, /mu/ is full of beta leftists who will jump to defend le feminism and post-colonialism
funny thing is a lot of them are underage """""" socially conscious """"""" teens
>>65048494
FUCK YEA
>>65058516
>proving his point
good job faggot
>>65044466
How do I get my sexy summer body back?
>>65048403
How intellectually stimulating.
>>65048388
Elephant in the article tbph. To borrow some parlance, why punch up when you can punch down?
>>65058575
>proving
>>65044466
http://www.theestablishment dot co/2016/05/20/how-to-get-your-sexy-summer-body-back/
It's joke article idiot.
>>65042216
All of their mouths look the same lol
>>65058709
You can't expect them to understand that lol. 95% of the people in this thread completely missed the point of the linked article and got all offended.
>>65048494
>>65051477
This. So, so much.
>>65055340
Sounds like a vomit-fest.
>>65058516
>if you say "beta" you can be defeated by my strawman image
I think it's pretty embarrassing that you have that saved on your computer lmao
>>65059709
I googled it specifically for that comment.
>>65045048
WIZARD
>>65045443
90% sure its a dude
this site is aids
"Azealia Banks’ Twitter Ban Reminds Us Freedom Of Speech Is For Whites Only"
lol
>>65060615
America is fucking nuts.
fuckin rich yankee kids thinking they're oppressed
shaking my head to be honest family
>>65048494
This
>>65048494
Damn, slapped them muthas right in the mouth!
Was Stevie Nicks misgendered?
>tfw my awesome Stevie Nicks post killed the thread
>>65047928
Argument game skrong
>>65061295
No she is qt
>>65048494
not cool bro not cool at all
>>65042235
Shut the up fuck, montie kun
Everyone wants to talk shit about criticizing pop culture, but that's what 99% of this fucking board is dedicated to.
>>65052930
basically this, the article is essentially an enormous non-sequitur and is extremely difficult to understand what point is even being made.
>"I think a world in which you weren't allowed to have an offensive name like Christian AIDS…[would not be] a nice-looking world artistically," he says. "Just the act of going around pissing people off is almost art in itself."
Well if pissing people off is an art, shouldn't you be happy that they're pissed? Isn't that the whole point? Honestly this shit gets so convoluted I'm not sure it's worth trying to untangle the logic behind it.
>>65063488
>if pissing people off is an art, shouldn't you be happy that they're pissed?
this
>>65048494
>normal
>>65059173
the mouth thing goes with a theory that a lot of SJW types have fetal alcohol syndrome (or some other mis-development issue)
look out for it and you'll start to see it with a lot of them
