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actually pretty good, not cringe at all edition
what have you been listening to recently?
porcupine tree are alt-metal
not been listening to too much prog lately actually
I should give larks tongues by king crimson another go, it's been pretty entertaining so far
New Pineapple thief Announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDs5_wY-KjI
New Frost* track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9jk0kicFMI
New Wolverine track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axUTMGej21s
New Airbag Track
https://soundcloud.com/karisma-records/1-killer
>>64759396
all these bands suck
>>64759305
they weren't always
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnnFxXLuJk
>>64759353
when I was first getting into KC that was one of the first album that blew me away on first listen. ltia pt. I and easy money are orgasmic
>>64759305
>>64759421
samefag
Also has anyone listened to new album y former Oceansize members? It's really good
https://britishtheatre.bandcamp.com/album/mastery
>>64759463
Yeah, Easy Money is fantastic, it's got a really great groove
>>64759463
>first first first
i'm tired
>>64759484
been meaning to listen to that. haven't heard many new albums this year
>>64759508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svPADYBMxXI
I always thought the live versions sounded fuller, probably because of the drums. If you like 70s KC I wholeheartedly recommend listening to a few live albums. a lot of the songs sound like they were made just to be toyed with live.
sup faggots didn't realise these threads were still a thing
Any opinions on this? Also new Big Big Train coming at the end of the month, should be good.
>>64759282
>actually pretty god, not cringe at all edition
so OP pic unrelated?
If you want good Porcupine Tree go listen to Up the Downstair, Sky Moves Sideways or Signify.
>>64760062
I gave FoaBP another chance this week. reason I posted it is because I was blown away by the atmosphere on some of the less metal songs. the last few minutes of Anesthetize for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSEQZ8reJA4
their space rock days were best, I agree, but I like the way (especially recently) SW brings together all of the different styles he's covered in his career in a way where they actually complement each other.
>>64760062
It's mediocre as fuck, they've gone from being one of the most underrated bands in the world with their debut to being one of the most overrated.
PS your opinion on PT is shit
Anyone wanna recommend prog metal similar to dream theater but a better singer?
>>64759943
They weren't since you left
>>64759677
thanks senpai
this sounds incredible holy shit, fripp is a fucking god
>>64760174
Oh Anesthetize is a great track on its own, its just that I feel Wilson's last albums with PT kind of left the band off on a sour note. Despite great tracks like Anesthetize and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, alot of the stuff from In Absentia onward never clicked with me.
His solo work is amazing though.
>>64760062
Disappointing album
>>64760232
Haken
Threshold
Most of Prog and me in the past year have been me realizing much of it feels "artsy/complex" to the point of sounding insincere and geeky. Also the past year of Prog and me has been realizing that Canterbury and Krautrock were where it was really at and that most symphonic prog isn't that good.
>>64759282
Are you from prog snob?
>>64760345
>Canterbury and Krautrock
Lmao so you turned to hipster prog
>>64760232
>Anyone wanna recommend prog metal similar to dream theater
why would you ever want that
>>64760448
hipster prog is anything from the cuneiform label
Why do hipsters hate prog?
>>64760451
I like the music senpai, moreso looking for interesting rhythms and long bridges/instrumentals like them
>>64760488
>implying
Liking Yes and King Crimson is right in the middle of fashion with the hipster crowd where I'm from. Modern prog is super uncool though.
>>64760239
I guess they were relatively one-dimensional albums for him, like he just suddenly fell in love with the metal riff and almost built entire albums around them.
>>64760372
I am not, only just found out what that is
>>64760345
my recent experience has been almost the opposite, re-opening myself to less /mu/approved (dare I say reddit-tier) prog and realizing more traditional prog can be great, too. i don't disagree that symphonic prog can get stale, and that the canterbury scene and krautrock sound so refreshing in comparison when that's most of what you've been exposed to
is this ska?
>>64760488
Some prog is very appealing to hipsters, though, stuff like Magma, King Crimson, and Henry Cow all have that sort of appeal. Not saying that people who like those artists are hipsters, just that the music seems to have that appeal. Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator and Camel seem to so-so, while ELP, and the vast majority of modern prog/prog metal is highly unfashionable.
>>64760345
>canterbury and krautrock
what prog band has the worst fanbase?
no obvious shit like DT and TMV please
>>64760601
Every Magma and HC fan I've seen on the internet has always without fail been the same type of asshole
>>64760657
King Crimson fans are literally the fucking worst
>>64760726
I'd go with that too especially if their favorite KC album is something like lark tongues in aspic
>>64760657
why TMV?
also anyone with a cult following will have some truly awful fans. tool and porcupine tree for example, even though i like both. less obvious answer: anyone who swears by a particular pink floyd era and can't appreciate everything up to animals on some level
>>64760726
>>64760772
I don't get this one either...
>>64760772
>>64760726
what's up with king crimson and larks tongues fans?
>>64760657
Magma and Can
>>64760488
Really depends on what it is.
Weirder or more obscure stuff fits very well into a lot of hipster dogmas.
>>64760657
you know those prog fans that wont touch anything unless it fits a certain aesthetic? (vdgg, kc, magma, henry cow) yeah...
>>64760813
"King Crimson is simply on another level compared to primitive-prog such as pink floyd, yes, or genesis. The musicianship and virtuoso on Lark's Tongues is impeccable, Fripp literally sounds like a guitar-playing god and his performance can never be matched"
>>64760657
Anyone who unironically follows "prog snob" on facebook and agrees with the sentiment of their posts without a hint of irony.
>>64760941
lol i visited that page the first time you posted it and it seems to be pure irony
>>64760995
I'm pretty sure the admins are just taking the piss out of prog fans, but there are people who unironically think they are superior for liking prog. All the posts they make about how 4/4 is inferior (which is obviously sarcastic), there are people who believe that.
There's a fucking hilarious youtube comment on Sithu Aye (who is garbage, but for other reasons) with a guy talking about how the fact that Sithu mostly uses 4/4 is "the opposite of progressive". It's pretty fucking horrible but these people exist and I have overheard some of their conversations at gigs. Most are underage as well (understandably, with such a limited view of music).
>>64760657
Anything cult like Cardiacs.
>>64760941
>they share shit like this
>>64761200
>>64761200
this is the shittiest thing i've ever seen in my life
>>64761224
>>64761200
Am I wrong for wanting more spicy prog memes?
>>64761200
this is the best thing i've ever seen in my life
>>64761200
this is just okay if I'm being honest
>>64761224
>>64761318
am I wrong for wanting to suck steven wilson's penis? im not even that gay
>>64761060
fair enough. i thought some of the self aware humour was pretty funny. it's not far off /mu/mour really. just dumb twitter memes with [insert music i like here] applied to them
>>64761342
>>64761372
>>64761372
pretty funny to be honest
looks like a funny page to follow on fb, thanks family
>>64761400
>>64761428
>>64760657
By far fucking Cardiacs fans
>>64761455
>>64761469
>>64761191
Why? :(
>>64761483
>>64761200
cringe
>>64761224
funny
>>64761318
ok
>>64761342
meh
>>64761366
stale meme
>>64761372
i will never understand the slayer hate on that page
>>64761400
cringe
>>64761428
cringe
>>64761455
meh
>>64761492
Because most of them literally listen to it for the sake of "DOOD MUH QUIRKS LMOA" and they're mostly pretentious avant-teen shits too.
I don't know, maybe Avant-math God has tainted my view of Cardiacs and their fans
>>64761504
>>64761511
>normie memes
>funny
>>64761583
>[
>>64761504
This "steven wilson is really feelsy" meme needs to die
Just because he has more emotion than 99% of prog doesn't make him the saddest shit of all time
>>64761561
most of their fans are all on the same page they take the music waaaaay too serious for what it really is
>>64761626
you're right
>>64761631
Honestly I just don't care for their music but good god I hate their fanbase.
>>64761626
that's kind of the joke though
I'VE ALWAYS WAAAANTEED TO EAT GLASS WITH YOOOUU AGAAAAIIIN
>>64761738
Is it? I see these "memes" constantly about how Wilson is really sad, and people seem to believe them unironically. Also, they're almost always coupled with Raven, which aside from the title track and the end of the Watchmaker, is one of his least feelsy albums. And the title track is a weaker re-take of Collapse the Light anyway.
>>64761318
Having a shit homogenous taste isn't a good thing. Branch out more, you teenager.
Prog got me damn tired lately, I check for new bands/bands I didn't check out and usually fail to find something new. Either modern or old prog.
I only stick to releases by bands I'm already into though, last rather proggy release I got into is this one, and this is one of the best tracks I've ever heard containing one of the best riffs I've ever heard as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2DLUVf4DZk
>>64761874
Wow, you are really dense
What did you guys think
>>64761820
fwiw I do find the title track to be very emotional, especially live
but the humour is just in repetition and beating the idea of him being sad into the ground, i don't think it's sincere, it's laughing at the fact people think he's sad more than laughing at him being sad
kc is emotionally dead prove me wrong
>>64761945
Yeah it is, but he's done better songs in the same vein
Insurgentes is hands down one of the most emotional albums of all time and if these guys were saying that instead of Raven then I would probably agree in sentiment.
>>64761941
haven't listened and don't know if I even want to
are Haken good? what kind of prog do they play?
>>64762160
Imagine Dream Theater with more self-awareness, better melodic ideas and a bit of tongue-in-cheek.
>>64762020
>21st Century Schizoid Man
>Fallen Angel
>Starless
>Epitaph
>In the Court of the Crimson King
>Beginning of Moonchild
>Frame By Frame
>Elephant Talk
never got this criticism of King Crimson, I've always thought they're incredibly emotional and express that very, very well
Most emotional SW songs
1 Lazarus
2 Collapse the Light
3 Stop Swimming
4 Waiting
5 The Raven
6 Don't Hate Me
7 Shesmovedon
8 My Ashes
9 Routine
10 Fadeaway
Thoughts on Riverside
They are like PT with more feels
>>64762225
Mentioning starless only was probably enough. Kc are in the exact opposite way of soulless prog.
>>64762020
depends on your scope of emotion. it's never joyful or extremely sad, but there's a visceral edge to their music (especially belew) that speaks to other emotions like obsession, insanity, anger etc.
also even just taking that linear look of what emotions music can/should express, i don't see how anyone couldn't be moved by matte kudasai or starless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MargcvlZTI
I've been really enjoying Votum recently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ36yF6hXwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa6dFgcoeb4
i cant be the only one, specially if you like johnny
Does /prog/ do /rio/?
>>64762366
*especially belew era
Who here has gotten to see the current version of king crimson live? Anyone going to see them on their tour in the fall?
>>64762382
Why wouldn't it?
>not posting the best henry cow album
wew
>>64762382
as long as it isnt the circus type of rio then yes
>>64762418
this is just a canterbury album though
>>64762382
I mean, probably, I've always thought RIO was a sub-genre of prog or at the very least a scene that was related to prog.
>>64762382
It doesn't exist
>>64762460
It's both Canterbury and RIO though
>>64762474
Yeah it is but some people might not enjoy it. That's what I was asking
>>64762460
Canterbury Scene music falls under the heading of progressive rock too, though.
Caravan are a fucking great band actually.
>>64762417
seeing them in august. my dad saw them last year and said they were great and that once you see them it makes sense they didn't go with belew. lots of reinterpretations of 70s songs from what he told me
>>64762417
Saw the last year in Japan. Holy fuck do not underestimate those drummers
I'm not crazy over Jakko's vocals but at least he doesn't completely absorb all the spotlight like Belew does
Is there a bridge between bands like Radiohead, Elbow and Doves vs Porcupine Tree? What makes one prog and the other not?
>>64762460
Canterbury is fucking under prog rock though you immense dipshit
Why do these generals always get people who don't know what they're talking about but act like they do?
>>64762514
>>64762734
When did I say that it wasn't prog? Why are you so angry?
>>64762694
Dunno about Elbow and Doves but there's no way Radiohead are prog, and it's always confused me when people say they are.
I think Porcupine Tree are "prog" because they adapt the concept album, lengthy songs, and influences from both psychedelic rock and classical music, plus having a generally higher level of musicianship than most rock bands. The only way you could associate Radiohead with progressive rock is through potential classical and jazz influences to their music, but even then IDM and electronic music seems to far more important.
>>64762256
>implying
I'd literally put 6 or 7 songs from Insurgentes above all of those.
>>64762694
Gazpacho maybe? I consider Radiohead to be prog anyway, i think it's pretty dumb and counterproductive to have strict genre categories. and they were influenced enough by krautrock and focused enough on atmosphere that its worth at least mentioning them alongside prog
i have heard some people describe radiohead as art rock, whatever that really means. you probably won't find a consistent description of what that genre entails, but maybe that's the bridge you're looking for
>>64762299
One of my all time favorite heavy prog bands. ADHR is god tier. Still sad about Piotr.
>>64762694
Elbow and Doves are soft rock/pot-britpop, not prog at all
>>64762299
They are god tier when it comes to composing and playing songs instrumentally, but I always hated most of their lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQG7XpCiSVA
fusion > prog
deal with it fags
>>64763038
the only prog comparable to fusion is late sixties to early seventies.
>XBOX
>>64763059
kys
Rminder that this is GOAT
I remember when I thought prog was good.
Embarrassing...
>>64763136
Clutching at Straws is better in every conceivable way.
>>64763155
Yeah, I only listen to mature stuff like Radiohead, swans, animal Collective and Death Grips now
>>64763191
Good man.
>>64763136
it actually is, and I'd go as far as to say that Marillion are easily one of the absolute greatest progressive rock bands of all time
>>64763155
Faggot
>>64761941
not their best work but good approaching great for what it was going for. Earthrise is interesting, 1985 is actually really good and Bound By Gravity is actually just a bonus track off of Weather Systems by Anathema (I mean this as a compliment)
>>64763136
Fugazi + Clutching at Straws > Misplaced Chidhood
>>64763110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjA1n_FeNg
>being this mad that old prog is the best prog
Anyone else /tdh/ here?
>>64763136
Hogarth > Fish
Facelift is GOAT
>>64763441
>soft machine
Good shit tbqh. What do you think of Bundles and Softs?
>>64763371
I hate this band.
>>64763136
I like this one a lot
>>64763474
why?
>>64763397
Do the Hogarth Marillion albums sound like Radiohead to anybody else?
>>64763549
Yeah a bit
>>64763441
OFFICIAL THIRD TRACKLIST POWER RANKING
Out-Bloody-Rageous > Slightly All the Time > Moon in June > Facelift
ALL TRACKS ARE STILL GOOD THOUGH, A SOLID 8/10 ALBUM OVERALL.
>>64763473
I've only listened to their first three albums. I hear only one of the original members was around for bundles and softs
Are they good? Worth checking out?
>>64763371
>indie coheed and cambria
>>64763741
If I like TDH how do I into Coheed? I've skipped though a few of their albums but nothing really interested me or was enjoyable
>>64763397
This is the worst post in this thread
>>64763775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJJ27NxYamY
>>64763654
Both are straight up fusion. A lot of Soft Machine fans were let down because most of the original members weren't there for it but I find it interesting anyways. Bundles has Holdsworth on guitar. These are my fav tracks from both:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04URH_HA4cE
https://youtu.be/kjxgXDPmg8A?t=1m51s
>>64763800
damn, I remember why i don't like this band now. This vocalist is trash
>>64763861
meh its good to listen to secretly
>>64763591
Objectively wrong
Facelift > Moon in June > OBR > SATT
>>64763473
Anything after Third is wank
>>64762256
no trains? or buying new soul
