Includes 1st-3rd wave post.
Neither.
Probably post-rock because of this album
Post rock because prog is fucking awful.
>>64598819
They were great live.
>>64598837
ugh, I missed them in Manhattan and Brooklyn last month... Tickets for them and Drive Like Jehu sold out way quicker than I ever would have imagined.
>>64598712
There's very little of either I can stand outside of this. But since it's the best album ever recorded I can deal.
Post rock is just prog rock though.
post. only prog I like is tool so it's not worth it
>>64598868
>Tool
O am I laffin
pleasant wank vs unpleasant wank
Prog.
Post is for plebs.
Hmm.
Rock music that was to take inspiration from non rock forms and apply them in to make unconventional rock songs where the creators quickly ran out of ideas and turned rehashing ideas or using their virtuosity for faux classical wankery symphonic shit where they do terrible in concert covers of pieces with rock instruments
Or
Rock music that was to take inspiration from non rock forms and apply them in to make unconventional rock songs where the creators quickly ran out of ideas and turned to rehashing of the same ideas of atmospheric droning to a crescendo or simply applying more gain and distortion to their amps to create post metalgaze
I'd like to choose neither
>>64598721
>>64598927
There is no neither, now fuck off.
>>64598927
>All prog is ELP
>All post rock is Mono
>>64598712
Prog rock sometimes isn't boring
>>64598957
Your fault for making a shit thread, anti intellectual
>>64599029
>anti intellectual
>as a noun and insult
kek, anti intellectual
>>64599055
That has been an accepted noun for years. As far as an insult, I simply used it to label you as a dimwitted and hostile person that shuns intellectualism.
At least you have the decency to understand that what you are is undesirable, if you consider it an insult.
>>64598927
>>64599029
>>64599120
well i grew out of prog when i was like 15 and i haven't heard that much postrock so i guess postrock
Prog eventually becomes soulless wankery, post-rock has the potential to be somethong cool and unique.
>>64599120
I wasn't that other guy, I just think you're being edgy
>>64598819
OP here, enjoying this, thanks f@m
>>64598868
please enrich your life with King Crimson and Yes
>>64598908
okay then, now i'm gonna stop listening to post rock because it's for plebs. is that what you want to hear ?
>>64599014
b-but if some kind of music bores you out, you're a pleb. true /mu/ patrician should be able to absorb any kind of music
>>64599253
It matters little.
As you can see here >>64599330, op is an anti intellectual that is so obsessed with his memespeak he avoids filters. He's most likely a newfag and a memer as well.
>>64598957
String music is shit, now fuck off.
>>64599378
What are your favourite electro-swing, kpop, crunkcore and calypso albums?
It's not like I listen to prog wank ever, anyway
>>64599384
OP again. Hahahah memespeak is actually the name of my teamspeak server. You know me well, you beautiful intellectual bastard, you.
>>64599384
he's a newfag because he doesn't know the album, that can't be helped. but he is a memer.
>>64598712
Tbh the only prog I like is Can
>>64598712
making me choose between my favourite genres.
I would go with post-rock simply because I can't imagine not listening to GY!BE anymore.
>progressive rock
>can only progress ripping off jazz and classical
What a bunch of pretentious twats. Christgau was right
Depends how generous you're being with the labels 'prog rock' and 'post rock'
If prog includes all kraut rock and Pink Floyd
and post includes Seefeel, Main, or even, like, Swans or Spiritualized or EAR...
then maybe the choice might be a little harder.
but between the more conventional ideas of prog or post-rock, prog pretty easily wins because you'd probably safely still include Floyd, plus Italian Prog, Gong, King Crimson, hell, I'd even put Bee Gees Odessa in there.
if we were being really generous we could even argue that Cocteau Twins, MBV and Bjork (even Radiohead) are all 'post-rock' in a non-generic way... in which case it would definitely win for me (except I don't care about Radiohead).
I rather listen to good music
>>64598712
>muh sub, sub, subgenres
Rocktards are so cute.
Wait... post-rock is updated/evolved/adapted prog, isn't it?
>>64598712
post rock sucks.
First wave prog/Canterbury scene all the way
>tibs bedora
>>64599550
Steve Hillage rules
>>64599246
>post-rock eventually becomes soulless wankery, prog has the potential to be somethong cool and unique.
>>64599517
Ok I'll take the bait. Unsub those subs for me. I.e, show me the family music tree that leads to prog and post rock being 4 generations down from whatever you consider to be the "original" genre.
>>64599246
>Bjork could be considered post rock
Not in any way.
krautrock/canterbury/avant-prog/zeuhl > post-rock > ELP-tier wankery
Fuck this is hard
>>64599915
I'm gonna go post-rock. I'm so sorry Magma and Herny Cwo
>>64599913
>>64599915
samefag
wait, does Krautrock count as prog? that package deal would be impossible to turn down for muh crescendos
>>64599958
Sorry
>>64599990
>all post-rock is crescendoshit
>>64600020
i was memeing i love post-rock
>>64600020
Nice paint skills, fagtron
>>64600078
(You)
>>64600115
How can something be a subgenre of itself
Jesus this thread makes me cringe, /mu/ has truly embarrassing taste in music
Prog all the way, both old and new
>>64600160
>mu/ has truly embarrassing taste in music
>posts Steven Wilson
jej
>>64598837
Is that that gamelan band?
>>64598712
prog but genre labels like that are stupid and I don't see why post-rock shouldn't be considered prog
>>64598712
Post-rock is a subgenre of prog-rock dumbass
>>64600160
Go away Wilson stick to remastering Yes' catalog
Mama Mia! Post-Rock sure is a shitty genre.
>memerock for granddads vs memerock for dads
g e g
>>64598712
Prog rock easily, post-rock is hipster garbage
>>64598927
>>64599029
>>64599120
>>64599384
pic related
>>64600197
Yes, Macha fuse "alt rock" with gamelan stuff
>>64600197
yee and they're pretty shitty at appropriating the style
their gimmick caused me to sense the subtle Gamelan hints in EitS though. much better band
>>64600237
>hipster
what is this, 2010? are you gonna start calling things fedora in two years?
>>64600288
I cannot comprehend how awful the first half of the post is but how true the second half is
>>64599497
>Bee Gees Odessa
What the fuck, why didn't i know about this. thanks anon
>>64600288
Butthurt because you got called out?
Hipsters just can't into prog, they have to listen to dumbed down post-rock
Prog metal is hipster kryptonite
>djentshareguy
>>64600343
As much as I too would vouch for prog over post in a heartbeat, prog metal is bad my dude.
>>64600357
>replying to djentshareguy seriously
>>64600349
>dumb weebs
>>64600357
Fates Warning are legends
>all prog rock is wank
>>64600447
whom art thou quoting
>>64598712
That's a tough one for me. That's like asking to me to get by with just Starless or Sleep for the rest of my life. Not an easy call. Probably post-rock though. Product of my generation I guess.
>>64600447
Who are you quoting?
>>64600472
>>64600480
Your mom lol
>>64600506
My mom's fine with prog. Played her ITCOTCK one and she liked some of the songs
>>64598712
prog probably, I don't listen to much post rock though, I'm open to recs
>>64599913
this guy has fucking nailed it
>>64600506
burn
Progressive rock > post-wank
>>64600516
I played her MYCOCK
>>64599913
>>64601099
>hipster prog and sporkshit > actually good rpog
lmao
Post rock is included under the prog rock umbrella, so I'll go with prog.
>>64598712
If Prog Rock also includes Krautrock, then obviously prog.
>>64598721
wow you are so witty and clever
>>64601302
>ELP is good
get some taste you fucking caveman
>>64601283
kek
>>64601302
yee
spork rock is best rock
>>64601256
Post-rock > Prog-Wank
What an easy game to play
>>64601403
Prog-wank > post-wank
>>64601347
>ELP is bad
Epic meme faggot
>>64601302
Ew
Head back to /r/music thanks
>>64601347
>>64601525
>>64599913
Hey team plz don't crucify me, but what is ELP?
>>64601585
Electric Lady Penis
>>64601585
the superior half of Run the Jewels
>>64601585
Elongated Length Penis
>>64598712
Prog is the best
>>64601585
Electric Light & Palmer
>>64598712
I'm probably dead after finishing one post rock track, so I won't get bored
>>64601752
>waaaahhhh i can't handle songs longer than 3 minutes
Cancer
>>64601752
Funny you say that, since both genres are infamous for long length tracks.
>>64601617
>>64601643
>>64601666
>>64601730
Thanks doods, got it now.
>>64598712
There are like 10 post-rock bands that are actually good
The rest is crescendocore bullshit or amateurish drivel like >>64598837
While progressive rock is one of the most consistent and interesting genres ever with hundreds of bands worth listening to
>>64599913
indeed
I would add RPI though
>>64601973
Now this is what I call retardation
>>64601347
ELP made one good album, but it's clear he was using them to refer to most traditional British prog
What do any of these terms mean
I only know what Prog Rock is because I like King Crimson and Pink Floyd's stuff like Echoes and Atom Heart Mother.
>>64603597
Post-rock is a rather broad of rock music that is defined as "rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes". It basically refers to bands that value atmosphere, timbre and texture over melodies, riffs and rhythms, have unusual or sometimes even no song structures, and
more often than not employ some form of extended technique
Examples of the primogenitors of the genre include Talk Talk's last 2 albums (and Mark Hollis' only debut album), Slint's second and last release, Tortoise' discography, Pram's only album, Magnog's first release, and the rather massive Swans album Soundtracks for the Blind. This is known as "first wave post-rock".
Later (and more popular) bands in the genre that continued to develop it include Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Sigur Ros, Mogwai, A Silver Mt. Zion, Set Fire to Flames, Hangedup, and Cerberus Shoal.
Eventually however a band named Explosions in the Sky released their debut right around the time that the second list of bands (known as "second wave post-rock") popped up. Their style consisted of repetitious crescendos, excessive amounts of reverb and rather predictable and formulaic song structures, very reminiscent of a more watered down and poppier version of GY!BE mentioned above. This is where what is known as "third wave post-rock" begins, and generally represents the downfall of boundary pushing in post-rock and the beginning of a vicious cycle of constantly copying each other to see who can rip off GY!BE and Mogwai the most.
At this current point in time Post-rock is in a sorry state. Only a few bands still do things which are underivative and interestingly, namely post-revival GY!BE, post-revival Swans, and newcomers Kairon;IRSE. The rest are caught in the endless cycle of third wave post-rock or are simply making uninteresting music.
I hope that was detailed enough
Progressive Rock has more diversity and has more great albums than post rock, so...
Prog Rock
>>64603762
>>64603597
>Post-rock is a rather broad of rock music that is defined as "rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes".
Talk Talk played rock music with rock and non-rock instrumentation on Spirit of Eden, so is it not post rock?
>It basically refers to bands that value atmosphere, timbre and texture over melodies, riffs and rhythms, have unusual or sometimes even no song structures, and
more often than not employ some form of extended technique
Like Henry Cow during the 70s, or Krautrock in general
>Examples of the primogenitors of the genre include late 80s and early 90s bands
>progenitors of the genre have been since the 60s to early 80s
Frank Zappa, Velvet Underground, Neu, Can, King Crimson, Henry Cow, This Heat, Glenn Branca, etc
>At this current point in time Post-rock is in a sorry state. Only a few bands still do things which are underivative and interestingly, namely post-revival GY!BE, post-revival Swans, and newcomers Kairon;IRSE. The rest are caught in the endless cycle of third wave post-rock or are simply making uninteresting music.
Kashiwa Daisuke on Program Music is another notable effort, imo
>>64598712
I choose prog.
>>64604011
Talk Talk used rock music instrumentation for stuff that's most of the time barely even rock. Does stuff like Myrrhman sound very rock to you?
Krautrock did not employ much extended technique, and Fred Frith was a one-of-a-kind man.
I was referring to first wave post-rock in that, not to proto-post-rock artists, though that can be an extended note.
Program Music is an anomaly. I consider it modern classical but yet that doesn't really fit it too because of the electronic and (as you mentioned) post-rock elements. To prevent confusion I left it out.
prog, easy
>>64604087
>Myrrham
That's not from Spirit of Eden
I don't know about the krautrock thing, but I'm pretty sure they used extended techniques as much as post rock bands. I mean, GYBE doesn't use them, as far as I have heard and remember.
But what makes the proto post different than the post artists? In terms of style, they are as fitting as the post artists you mentioned, and even more according to your definition.
Yeah, Program Music is indeed an interesting case. Imo, it's post rock because it follows that specific style, while the "classical" and "electronic" influences (something relatively common on post), yet removing the rock element at the same time. But it's style almost the same style as regular post!
Is Ulver prog rock? What the fuck is Ulver even?
>>64604141
Are you telling me that Laughing Stock is not post-rock?
Both albums are considered to be the very first example of post-rock, along with Spiderland. Spirit of Eden contains more conventional parts but many exit rock music and enter this odd fusion of chamber music styles with jazz-esque musicianship.
As far as I have researched, no, none of the bands in the krautrock movement used very much, or any, extended technique at all. The closest they got was experiments with sound collages and musique concrete.
GY!BE are the actual epitome of extended technique in rock music! From the concept of bowing/sliding/hitting a guitar with a screwdriver, insanely heavy effects usage, playing the bass guitar with a bow, they are probably the best example of extended technique in post-rock.
The difference is that proto-post bands weren't aiming for the same target but very nearly hit the same criteria along their journey. Post-rock groups aim to make an atmosphere and focus on warping, editting and manipulating the sounds that creating that atmosphere through various unusual techniques. Bands like King Crimson were nowhere near that, and Henry Cow never experimented with atmosphere. Glenn Branca and Can at their most experimental is probably as close as it gets, and even then the goals weren't quite the same as the ones the first wavers were aiming for.
Program Music is just insanely difficult to classify, it's one of those examples I simply cannot put into well defined genre. I suppose post-rock does make sense but so does modern classical and electronic, and very much so
>>64604194
Experimental
>>64604194
Depends on which era
They've gone from black metal to neofolk to avant-metal to ambient music to progressive electronic and now they're in an odd art rock phase
>>64604252
Uhm, no, I haven't said anything about Laughing Stock, only Spirit of Eden
Exactly, when Spirit of Eden stops being rock it stops using rock instrumentation.
Could you give me some examples of post rock bands using extended techniques?
Had no idea about GYBE, never noticed any of that on FA, LYSF, and that EP. Do they really use those techniques on those recordings?
But bands like Can (on Tago Mago) and Henry Cow (on Legend's Teenbeat and on In Praise of Learning except War) were indeed interested in timbre and atmosphere, or at least more than Talk Talk's Spirit of Eden or Millions Now Living by Tortoise.
Imo, it's mostly post-rock, and electronic alone isn't really a genre/style
KILL
ALL
ANIME AUTISTS
>>64604368
But it still has the rock instruments, guitars, drums, bass and vocals backed by a small chamber orchestra. That's a rock band alright.
Slint and Mogwai's liberal usage of natural harmonics, and extending from David Pajo, his unsual fingerpicking technique which lended itself into Tortoise, and then Magnog's heavy usage of effects pedals and atonal playing styles not too far from some of Fred Frith's work, and Mark Hollis' weird experiments with guitar microtonality, mute picking, and using modulated pickup hum as a form of instrumentation. That's just a few examples.
If anything F#A#, LYSF and SLFNZK are where they use these techniques. Examples of the screwdriver thing are the dark ambient parts on F#A# (particularly the midsection of The Dead Flag Blues and the opener of East Hastings), using it in a more melodic sense can be found on the screaming melody on Sleep and the singing noises in the background. Slow Riot doesn't use the screwdriver technique at all but on BBF3 the bassist plays his bass guitar with a bow and excessive amounts of natural harmonics are found everywhere. Natural harmonic usage can also be found laden all over the place on F#A# by the way.
Like I said, the second half of Tago Mago is as close as a proto-post-rock band comes to trying to aim for the goal that first wavers were going for. But they were trying to do that through sound collages and musique concrete, not extended techniques and effects usage.
With the exception of the introduction of Teenbeat (a fucking transcendental moment, if I may add) there's not very much attention paid to atmosphere, not any that I am aware of.
In Praise of Learning is an interesting one. Parts of tracks like The Long March and Morning Star do pay a lot of attention to atmosphere. But Living in the Heart of the Beast and Beautiful as an Army of Banners were aiming for tension and mood, not so much through atmosphere but through composition, instrumentation and arrangement (cont)
>2016
>string music
wow
The best prog bands are more creative and technically skilled, so probably prog. But I'd only call a few bands from each genre actually great, so it just depends which bands/albums you like better
>>64604587
>ensemened
>>64604368
>>64604587
With The Long March and Morning Star I feel like they were basically using atmosphere to create a sense of unease. But the way they did it was through massive atonal, arhythmic walls of noise that flowed and ebbed with the band, which doesn't fit the (generally) more delicate and somber styles that post-rock employs.
I'd say Spirit of Eden definitely pays attention to atmosphere and Tortoise cares more about the tension and release styles shown on Henry Cow and Can's work but they also have the same intricacy and delicacy that post-rock has, and they do try to create a somber and everchanging atmosphere.
I am surprised at how many people just jumped onto picking post-rock. Sure post-rock has stuff like Swans or Slint which is higher ranked for me than any prog by far, but prog Rock even if one just looks at the 1969-1980 period when wank was not as bad as today has so much more to offer in terms of diversity/the actually good prog albums.
This is hard to decide.
Post-rock and prog rock are not reall that different
I love the shitposting though from people whose post/prog-rock knowledge is /mu/core
Post-rock no doubt. I enjoy more post-rock releases than prog rock.
>>64598712
Probably post-rock because it seems more emotionally gratifying. Still, I don't have any hate towards prog. I enjoy it too. A lot of anons here are comparing old prog to new post, which seems to make for a lot of shitposts.
What's some newer prog worth checking out? I really like Plini. Sithu Aye is pretty nice too. They seem a bit too maximalistic for my taste though. I tend to gravitate towards more ambient stuff like The Plagued Raven. CHON is pretty great too, pls no bully.
I'd be stoked to find shit that blends neo-classical, jazz and world music.
>>64599497
Someone rec some Italian prog plz?
>>64605077
>>64604011
>Glenn Branca
If you listen to The Ascension you can clearly see where Gira got the idea of massive guitar-led arrangements
post. Much more variety.
>>64605159
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Prog without a doubt, they're both good though so why have a thread devoted to shitflinging instead of discussion?
