What are some songs with clever time signature changes?
>>64575671
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Vicarious
Dream Theater- Dance of Eternity
Marsh of the pigs
Heart of Glass
Chainsaw Gutsfuck
Money
>>64575695
kek
>>64575695
Who is this semen demon?
>>64575671
>6/8
>Clever
kek
The opening track from Sufjan's Illinois and The Tallest man, the broadest shoulders
>>64575671
Pretty much anything from the band Joan Of Arc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQs1lulHdBo
>>64575749
You didn't read the last word of the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUcdQ6xDyP4
Probably half of Soundgarden's songs have seamless time signature changes. They were so good at that you barely even notice sometimes. There's also Between the Buried and Me's whole catalog with a few exceptions like Viridian and Desert of Song.
>>64576076
Yeah, BTBAM for sure.
If you haven't already you should check out Giraffes? Giraffes! OP, they're some of the best math rock I've heard. Personal favorite is A Quick One While She's Away off of More Skin With Milk Mouth.
Anything by The Chariot is great too if you're into hardcore/mathcore. The Fiancée is a great album.
https://youtu.be/5N09mfjvG8k
>>64575671
Half the songs on Fragile and all of Closer to The Edge. What About Me? by Snarky Puppy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-vZEShtlJE
The repeated changes between 4/4 and 7/8 i the second section of Paranoid Android are awesome
Pretty much anything by Yes? Pre 90125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyDXZKwi-8Y
this. The beat goes 7/4 8/4 8/4 7/4 and repeats. Its the grooviest shit ever. I'm watching them live this month and am hyped as fuck.
>>64576869
>8/4
You don't know how time signatures work do you?
>>64576877
drop trip pleb
>>64576877
well, its seven beats eight beats eight beats and seven beats. SO yeah thats not the right notation.
I knew someone would complain about it while I was posting it.
>>64576910
Go away
>>64576913
Then it's a 7/8 4/4 change.
>>64576926
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_works_in_unusual_time_signatures#8.2F4_or_8.2F8
>>64576926
but it would be 4 4/4 bars right? in between the 7s?
>>64576955
Go away, the accenting of the notes and the rhythmic patterns on that track completely drives that out.
>>64576966
No, it's 2 bars of 7/8 and then 2 bars of 4/4
>>64577028
'no'
>>64577028
what? no dude. notice when the singer says ONE.
ONE 2 3 4 5 6 7 ONE 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ONE 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ONE 2 3 4 5 6 7 I KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR ME
>>64577059
Exactly. Do you just not fucking know how to count time signatures?
Who the fuck taught you music theory?
>>64575741
Kek <-----
Kek
Kek
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Kek
As far as I can tell the opening main riff is split into alternating measures of 8/8 and 15/8. Then it changes about four more times between 7/8, 5/8, 3/8. Pretty cool stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N74X55FS3Aw
>>64577206
>8/8
Holy fuck are all you /mu/tants this fucking stupid when it comes to music theory?
>>64577218
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_works_in_unusual_time_signatures#8.2F4_or_8.2F8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAbRqKUy45E
>>64577238
Still not in 8/8. The rhythms are not accented in an 8/8 signature.
Stop using a shitty wikipedia article to excuse your illiteracy.
Hey Ya has a 2 beat measure in its loop
>>64577218
There is nothing wrong with 8/8. It implies the composer is feeling 8 beats per measure while 4/4 is feeling 4 beats per measure.
>>64577288
There is nothing wrong with that specific signature. There is something wrong with you retards confusing the two all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Yfmwwm7oU
>>64577275
so wrong
>>64577305
>Any time signature in multiples of 4 is 4/4 in my eyes
:^)
>>64577333
What a compelling argument
>>64577354
If a piece of music treats 8th notes as the standard rhythm it is in 8/8. The first song doesn't even do anything close to that, it's primarily in 16th notes and it doesn't follow any 8/8 rhythms. The second piece is all arppegiated chords in various rhythms, none coming close to an 8/8 feel.
Take your shit elsewhere
>>64577355
>>64577410
>so angry
>>64577452
Have a (You)
Crystallised by Haken
The whole song is amazing and uses odd time signatures throughout, but the second main part in particular stands out.
7/4 8/4 7/4 7/8 6/8 (to put it simply)
Women and Men by They Might Be Giants. I've always loved the use of alternating 7 and 6
>>64577305
It really is how you interpret it on this particular piece. Because there is a section that is in 15/8 it would make sense to think of the prior section in 8/8 (4/4 also works if you really want it to).
Any Meshuggah song
I'm not a fan of newtrips but proge mon is right.
If you think there's such a thing as 8/4 in any sense you're a fucking moron who doesn't understand time signatures:
>>64577465
>>64576869
>>64577563
But that's wrong you fucking retard
8/8 and 4/4 have completely different feels. 8/8 is much faster and rapid, and also allows for more rhythmically precise feel since the meter is in 8. 4/4 is the standard. It's basically what your hear everywhere. There's also 2/2 which causes 16th notes to be ridiculously fast compared to the tempo being counted and allows for a looser feel.
>>64577644
Technically 8/4 is a signature but it's an extremely rare one.
>>64577563
> 8/8 (4/4 also works if you really want it to)
> mfw
>>64577100
reminder that this tripfag said that Blur and Slayer were bigger bands than Radiohead. Just take that into account when he says anything stupid.
>>64577687
Oh wow good argument
Let's take a completely unrelated mistake which is also entirely subjective and use that to defend someone's completely lack of theory understanding.
If you had picked a mistake I had made while talking about music theory then it would've made sense. This is grasping at straws.
>>64577679
>Technically 8/4 is a signature but it's an extremely rare one.
because it's only used by people who don't understand time signatures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pycr-q0qCHw
>>64577756
It's a meter made redundant by ties, if anything
>>64577727
>entirely subjective
kek
ya mhmm. I mean the empire state building MIGHT be taller than me, but that is kind of subjective anyway so... It's not like you can measure size or anything.
>>64577679
Did you really just spend the whole thread arguing with some guy about how 8/4 isn't a real time signature only to admit that it is?
>>64577801
yes he did
>>64577796
You can't measure popularity accurately because that'd involve surveying every single person on this planet, whether or not they've heard of any of the bands.
>>64577801
Both are real signatures, I never said they weren't.
I'm shooting him down for not knowing where the difference is in 4/4 and 8/8
This never had anything to do with 8/4 by the way
>>64577679
what "different feel" mean? the 8/8 rhytmics scan is completely different from a 4/4.
that's not """""music feel"""", that's solfeggio
>>64577687
blur were much bigger than radiohead
>>64577844
Rhythmic feel implies that the way the meter is played is entirely different even though technically it's the same number of beats in the same number of bars. Playing in 8/8 is way different from playing in 4/4 or 2/2
What the fuck does solefeggio have to do with anything?
>>64577841
don't you have anything better to do with your time
>>64577920
It's 11pm and I just dropped a new album. Give me a fucking break
>>64577936
link?
>>64577966
Well, you asked for it
https://vtimdon.bandcamp.com/album/return-to-the-lantern-curls
>>64577984
jeez, life in Taipei must fucking suck.
>>64578100
Excellent contribution to the thread
>>64577984
>it's a "tripfag who can't play an instrument makes another shitty ambient album" episode
>>64578118
I'll try again.
The dark and spooky atmosphere created in the song reflects the shit ass lifestyle that one can expect when residing in Taipei.
>>64578126
Yawn
Bait harder pls
>>64578151
No, not really
The only depressing thing about this place is the music scene and the weather
>>64578148
>that 6/8 7/8 polymeter on Frame by Frame
Makes me hard as fuck
>>64577984
>""""album""""
lol you lost the little respect I had for you, jesus I like experimental ambient stuff but just letting a mic on recording absolutely fuckall with a reverb effect? The other album you have on your bandcamp sounds like you're trying at least
>>64578243
>listens to the first 1 minute once
I've said this before and I'll say it again: I don't drag out songs to 30 minutes in length for no reason. It's not constant throughout and many changes take place. If you genuinely think you can make a judgement on it off the opening minutes you're no better than the people judging that new Radiohead single based off the initial 10 second snippet
>>64578283
>make shit album
>get called out
>"YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ITS ART"
What kind of dipshit learns music theory to argue with people on /mu/ instead of to learn an instrument lmao
probably most be-bop jazz covers
>>64577727
I am keking my ass off. Shut the fuck up
>>64578310
So you're still salty that someone trashed you in an argument about music theory and now you're using bland generalizations and strawman arguments to insult my music despite the fact that you've barely heard anything off of it?
Have a (You)
>>64578339
Good post
>>64576869
damn why don't people talk about these guys more on /mu/ this is hella good
>>64577841
>that'd involve surveying every single person on this planet
t. person who's never taken statistics
>>64578435
Of course you can do sample groups and whatnot but it'll never truly be 100% accurate
t. person doing business a levels
>>64578344
I'm not the guy who was arguing with you, I just wanted you to know that your music is shit you ugly gook
>>64578467
>implying you would ever need to be 100% accurate when comparing the popularity of different bands
>>64577984
What did you stick a microphone in your fridge for a half hour to make this?
>>64578551
>not keeping your microphone in the fridge
>>64578529
Yep you are alright
No point denying it honestly, it's written all over your salty posting style.
>>64578538
>implying bands as popular as any of the 3 would be easy to compare
The issue here is the sheer size of said band's fanbases and how widespread their music is.
>>64578551
You're one of those "ambient music is boring" guys aren't you?
[DAMAGE CONTROL INTENSIFIES]
>>64578598
(You)
good post btw :)
>>64575671
How has no one recommended this yet?
>>64578576
>The issue here is the sheer size of said band's fanbases and how widespread their music is.
That's exactly why you wouldn't need to survey every person. You could get an adequate sample without too much effort.
>>64578576
I like ambient that isn't made by 2deep4u /mu/ kiddies
If I buy your album will you use the money for a rope to hang yourself with?
>>64578564
but that's where I keep my ketchup
>>64578611
>g-good post
>i-i'm not rumbled
continue on
>>64578616
Yes, but remember, one may be ridiculously popular in Country A but another might be virtually unknown in said country
You'd still need an incredibly large sample size if you want a result that's not just biased to one area or country.
>>64578617
Edgy. Have a (You) for your efforts
>>64578658
Nice
>>64578612
Because not all of us have shit music taste
>le exorcist music meme xD
>>64578643
You fucker, end it all now, take Ping Tao Eno with you.
>>64578662
You wouldn't need an incredibly large sample size, you would just need to spread your survey across different parts of the world.
>>64578682
Correct, and then you'd have to spread it across different groups, cultures, ethnicities, etc. For large countries like, say, China, it'd be rather tedious and troublesome, considering how vastly different all the different provinces and cities are from each other
el oh el
Coldplay's Yes switches between 4/4 and 3/4 bars over a constant rhythm so it feels like the on beats switch to off beats which is kinda cool.
Yeah yeah I know,
>Coldplay
>>64578713
>you'd have to spread it across different groups, cultures, ethnicities, etc.
No you wouldn't, you would just need to sample random individuals.
>For large countries like, say, China, it'd be rather tedious and troublesome, considering how vastly different all the different provinces and cities are from each other
Considering how small those bands' fanbases would be in China compared to the countries they're from, I think it would be OK to skip China.
>>64579044
Sampling random individuals then would also require you to randomly select, say, 0.01% of the population. Just in countries with big populations alone this task would be daunting to try and spread out.
And I'd say those bands do have a decent fanbase in China, if a band as non-mainstream as Magma can go there and still make money off the tour it means that the population there isn't as musically unaware as many people percieve
>>64579089
>Sampling random individuals then would also require you to randomly select, say, 0.01% of the population
No, that isn't how statistics works. You don't need to consider the size of the population to make an estimate of the population parameters.
>And I'd say those bands do have a decent fanbase in China, if a band as non-mainstream as Magma can go there and still make money off the tour it means that the population there isn't as musically unaware as many people percieve
Considering that this is an English-speaking web site that is based in the U.S., it would be safe to only apply your claim to the Western civilization.
>>64575671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbU9UUwxBxA
it's about OP too
>>64578676
>ping tao eno
>>64579177
Fine, how would you do it?
So just because of a single website we are now excluding half of the world on our popularity survey? You can't be serious right?
>>64579216
I am serious, actually, because you're intentionally making this much more complicated than it needs to be just so that you appear as if you're winning the argument. It's clear that you don't have a very good understanding of statistics because of how much you're distorting the situation.
>>64579296
You're literally cutting out half of the world just because we happen to be on an English speaking imageboard.
Even if we were to simplify everything cutting out half the fucking planet is still completely ridiculous
>>64579384
not that guy, but do you think that when anyone does a survey that they have to include respondents from every fucking country in the wrold? No they don't. That's why samples are considered representative of the greater population. Not including certain countries would be factored into the error term of the multivariate model.
Also, people in China don't fucking listen to music. Just stop please.
>>64577909
So what time signature is Cat Fantastic in then?
>>64579471
So apparently now China constitutes half of the world, including the entire Middle East, Africa, the entire continent of Asia, and pretty much everywhere else that's not Europe, Northern America or Australasia. Good job.
And they actually do, apparently your view of foreign countries is incredibly warped.
>>64579488
Why are you asking me this now? Just replace all your 8/8 bullshit with 4/4
>>64579520
why do you even come on here? Like srs question because it must just be so draining to consistently get shit on in every thread. Maybe that's admirable that you don't give up, but fuck man, if I was this widely insulted and ridiculed on any site I'd just leave.
>>64579384
>>64579520
what happend to your trip?
>>64579520
What about the 15/8 section. It is literally the same feel as the 4/4 section.
Did you listen to the song? Do you understand why it is difficult to say that it is in 4/4 and then some other time signature? The feel persists, but the time signature changes.
You don't have to get so incredibly upset. You haven't even been talking to the OP at all (which is me), I only replied to you once before now.
>>64579557
Because there are honestly no better sites for music discussion.
>>64579577
Removed the name to test something out, I want to see if that helps in getting rid of the rampant shitposting that trails everso closely behind me.
>>64579583
Still in 4/4. The only reason why people divide the 15/8 section into 8th notes is because the meter's in an odd number. In all actuality if you were playing in the band and performing that song you should be counting quarter notes all throughout.
>>64579711
But what about the measure that doesn't have all 4 quarter notes?
>>64579711
well, why would you use a trip in the first place?
>>64579737
Then that's a different time signature. I'm not going to listen back to the song to find it because the arrangements for that thing are a clusterfuck anyways.
>>64579738
I'm not going to type out a full explanation though I suggest you go into the archives and use my trip to find one.
Basically it's for me to track my posting and catalog my taste's evolution.
>>64579789
>Basically it's for me to track my posting and catalog my taste's evolution.
I have seen some shit.
A Lot Like Birds does shit like this all the time
Next To Ungodliness was their version of a punk song in five; the outro does this 12/8 + 13/8 alternation (or you could think of it as 7/8 + 5/8 + 7/8 + 6/8 but it doesn't really feel like it to me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_W7cuVpYTE
Animals as Leaders has literally dozens of songs in 7, 5, 3, and 9
One of my favorites is Contra: Second Temple by Eidola;
The breakdown has three measures of 3/4 and one measure of 5/8, but the drummer keeps a steady quarter note pulse over the whole thing, so every other phrase it's offset by an eighth note (pic related)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2JjuPvWUIk
Ay i'm proge man nigga i suck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EnBi17Cc8
