Classical music discussion thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OloXRhesab0
Bump... Anyone?
>>64549914
There's usually not much activity at these hours in /classical/
I can post the links, however:
>General folder. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes Bach and Mozart subfolders
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>Debussy Folder: Recordings of Debussy's most important/famous works
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera folder: Construction in progress. Features recorded productions of various operas
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Renaissance Folder: Paired with a chart.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Calcium's Compilation folder: 20 albums from baroque up to modern. (folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
>CLT's history of the western canon: Comprehensive run-through of western classical music from the monks up to the present day. (Folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
>Crudblud stuff
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
>classical
>music
Does anyone have cortots recordings of Chopin? A torrent or something
>>64550117
Thanks for posting the links. Very nice! :D
>>64550133
>/r/eddit
>>64550192
>not goat Rubinstein
First time on /mu/
Thought you all might enjoy this as much as I did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drWEOYYK0pY
>>64550192
Corot is probably the worst Chopin interpreter ever. Even worse than Ashkenazy and Arrau.
>>64551553
Welcome to /mu/! Thanks for the Liszt. Liszt is always good.
>>64549113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5UwkKybJw
>>64549113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgzrCjmdH94
>tfw can't find any good vvideos of Cunning Little Vixen
There are two on rutracker, but one of them appears to be broken (skips through scenes when playing on VLC) and the other is a charming animated adaptation done by the BBC, but is sung in English and slightly abridged, so not what I'm looking for.
>>64550117
interested in diving into some of this music, but where do I start? Feeling a bit overwhelmed with all of this stuff. Thanks.
>>64553664
>>64553664
Well, I started with the three big composers - Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven and went from there. Seriously, just listen to the popular stuff first like Beethoven's Moonlight sonata, Mozart's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, or Bach's 5th Brandenburg Concerto. Branch out from there. I'd suggest staying away from symphonies for a little bit unless they're really well know like Beethoven's 9th. Hope this helps.
>>64553664
Have you heard any classical music before that you particularly liked?
The people, are. The heroes, now.
The people, are. The herpes. now.
News, News, News, News, News, has a, has a, has a, kind of mystery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_kVc8mrElg
>>64553996
Had to sit through a recital where some soprano did Pat's Aria from act II. Reminded me how boring Adams can be at times (even if he's got at others)
dead thread
memememememememes
>>64550439
Rubinstein is a fucking boring as hell Chopin player
Forcing myself to enjoy Brahms, Liszt, Schumann, etc. Any advice?
>>64555879
literally THIS
>>64555974
>forcing
If you don't like them, don't listen to them.
>>64555974
About pieces?
For Brahms, do pic related plus Cello Sonata in E minor, Piano Trio No. 3, All his three sonatas, Variations on a theme of Händel and his Rhapsody in G minor.
For Liszt, his Années de Pèlerinage his Sonata in B minor, Piano Concertos, Totentanz, his Hungarian Rhapsodies and his Ètudes.
And I haven't listened to enough Schumann yet.
>>64555879
>>64556121
why?
Favorite Sciarrino?
"Variazioni" and "I Fuochi Oltre la Ragione" are mines.
What is some super relaxing classical music?
Stuff like Chopin's piano works, doesn't have to be piano though.
t. classical newbie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI2oS2hoL0k
thoughts on the orchestration?
>>64555974
>brahms
any chamber work really. try piano quartet no. 3. also: piano pieces op.118, symphonies nos. 2&3, ein deutsches requiem (ihr habt nun traurigkeit especially).
>schumann
piano works only. if you cannot enjoy kinderszenen you can't be helped. also: symphonic etudes and humoreske.
>liszt
liebestraum no. 3 and that's pretty much it.
>>64557602
further proof
>>64556892
please respond
>>64558663
siegfried idyll.
>>64558663
there's a lot of relaxing stuff out there.
Try music from the Renaissance. I'm currently listening to some motets by Josquin.
>>64556892
>What is some super relaxing classical music?
messiaen - l'ascension: majesté du christ...
>>64558884
for orchestra !!
>>64558884
>>64558863
>>64558739
thanks guys
>>64551646
Shit taste.
Why don't women have good taste in music?
>>64553996
>The people, are. The heroes, now.
>The people, are. The herpes. now.
>people, are. The herpes. now.
>people, are. The herpes.
>are. The herpes.
>The herpes.
>herpes
wew
Your favourite Mozart Piano sonata?
Mine would be A major
Very closely followed by C minor
I think the A major sonata 1st movement is the most relaxing, comforting music I've ever heard, it's such a nice progression.
What's a good non-HIP recording of Haydn's quartets?
>>64557602
Why on earth would you not recommend symph 4?
>>64553996
Idiots.
The People are the Heroes now
Behemoth pulls the peasant's plow
Nixon in China is a Great opera.
If you don't like it, fuck a turd.
John Adams is a great composer.
>>64555879
Try Ivan Moravec instead.
>>64560408
I would recommend the Takacs Quartet.
Op 71 &74 on Hyperion.
Op 76 on Decca.
Op 77 (1&2) on Decca Eloquence.
>>64560525
i could easily recommend all four but i made a selection. personally i like nos. 2 & 3 most. i'm not completely convinced by the finale of 4.
>>64560408
angeles quartet is really very good. also all haydn by the tokyo quartet.
>>64559913
>Your favourite Mozart Piano sonata?
k. 332 & 545 are both flawless masterpieces and my favs.
>>64561577
545 is stunning I'll admit. It's one of those Mozart pieces that are just fucking unbelievably harmonically sound, to the point where every modulation and every melody is absolutely perfect and nothing could take its place in the lineage of the piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5pX7dtn3Sc
>>64557554
fuck this meme song
>>64556356
about Rubinstein:
because he was an hack whose only interest was enlarge his repertory instead to offer a deep interpretation of a precise music.
he was famous for the length of his recitals, not for the quality...
>>64556356
Would /classical/ be interested in creating a series of charts like these, each based around a common monthly theme ("Symphony September") a la /daily/?
>>64562637
the first one could be modernist may
>>64562637
Yes
>>64562637
like it
>>64563303
>not mass may
>>64563663
>not mahler may
>>64563687
>not meme may
>>64563715
>not maymay
>>64562637
I think that it's a very good idea.
>>64562637
what about mendelssohn may?
or
Medieval May
>>64563796
Maydieval
>>64563830
>>64563796
>>64563795
>>64563770
>>64563715
>>64563687
>>64563663
>>64562637
>>64563303
Wouldn't we have to start from June? May already started and it takes time to decide those kind of stuff
>>64563889
yep, no problem
so June?
What do I do guys? I want to ask you about great composers/musicians but I am so numb to it all. I remember learning about the typical people when I was younger, than over the years I started to dig deeper and learned the typical people had all kinds of music you don't hear about, and now I hear something new everyday it seems like. Just when I think I've heard it all there's always something else. But even from what I HAVE heard it just makes me so, discouraged I guess. It's like what's the point? Everything has already been done, I just can't seem to like anything anymore.
>>64563979
The only thing you can do is accept that you will never be able to listen to all music, enjoy it all. Then learn to live with that fact and enjoy what you can.
>>64554171
>he doesn't like This is Prophetic!
Mao Zedong's wife, pls. go
>>64562637
Sure. It could help make a listening schedule.
Bump
>>64561501
Give that finale another go. Imo it's the most impressive synphonic movement post schubert 9.1
Who's good at Debussy's piano works?
>>64568263
samson francois
jean yves thibaudet
frenchies in general
>>64553996
>the people are the herpes now
Well Mao did offer a couple hundred women for Henry Kissinger.
>>64568263
Zimmerman is great on the preludss, so is Aimard.
Uchida is great on the etudes.
Pascal Roge is great at anything by Debussy.
Also Zoltan Kocsis, Jean-Yves Thib audit and Michael Lewin.
Don't forget the sacd set of Walter Giesking.
Hope that helps.
>>64568575
Damn spelling correction.....
Thib audit s/b Thibaudet.
HOL UP HOL UP HOL UP
WE DEM BOYZ
Haydn sure has many works. to get started on him I've made a small list. including his London and Paris symphonies and his oratorios The Creation and The Seasons.
These are the conductors or recordings i have chosen.
London Symphonies:
Colin Davis and the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra
Paris Symphonies as well as 26, 52, 53:
Sigiswald Kuijken
The Creation:
Karajan
The Seasons:
Karl Böhm
any changes or additions?
>>64569816
>Karajan
Get this instead.
>>64569944
any reason why? i haven't much experience with Karajan besides Strauss. looks like the same or orchestra though. is it the general recording quality or the conductor himself?
>>64563950
>>64563889
"Herbert von Karajune"
>>64570180
His choir isn't great and Markevitch is a better Haydn conductor than Karajan imo.
Also add Haydn's quartets, I think there's a torrent on rutracker for Quatuor Mosaïques.
>>64570511
i haven't listened to either so I'll listen to both and decide which i like better while paying attention to the vocal performances in particular
i also did have the mosaiques quatuor in my cue but forgot to mention it.
thank you for the insight. i have limited storage capacity since the ssd install
Am I a casual for liking debussy?
>>64570820
Nah
>>64555974
>Brahms
All symphonies, pay attention to the score too. Any chamber works with clarinet, piano quartets, Op. 118
>Liszt
Any of his piano works, bonus points if they're hella hard or hella pretty, Totentanz
>Schumann
Piano concerto, Symphonies 2 and 4. Symphony 4 is my personal favorite symphony ever.
>>64569816
his masses
>>64570511
>>64570783
hmm, Markevitch doesn't seem to be available as a Haydn conductor on rutracker in "The Creation". is there an alternative that you'd suggest?
>>64571566
is there any conductor that you prefer?
>>64571674
>haydn
go with franz bruggen
Can you guys rec me classical that doesnt sound like its in a movie
>>64571674
copy paste his name in russian, it's there
>>64568263
Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T958NWjweg
Redpill me on operas /mu/
I can't stand operatic singing; hate how the voice dominates over other instruments; even drowning them out
What's the point of listening to a recording of an opera anyway? It's like eating pizza without cheese or getting jerked off with a glove
>>64573708
opera =/= music
>>64573708
Ideally the voice should be in harmony with the music. It should all work as one. If this isn't happening then the underlying harmony must not be as important as the singer's. Really the voice is just another instrument. It's like getting mad at all cellos or drums if they stick out over the other instruments in a particular recording.
>>64573817
Schopenhauer, pls. go.
why is CLT's guide to the western canon gone?
>>64573970
It's not gone
>>>/his/1072332
is it worth listening to anything by beethoven or mozart?
>>64574002
nope
>>64574014
okay so I shouldn't listen to them?
>>64574002
Start with the Magic Flute. Also listen to Leopold Mozart's Trumpet concertos before diving into Amadeus.
>>64574049
>diving into Amadeus
>>64574071
I meant Amadeus Mozart, not the film. I was sating you should listen to Leopold before Amadeus.
What are some more extremely intense vocal performances like the Schoenberg quartet performances?
>>64574002
Beethoven yes, Mozart no.
The only reason that the 18th century equivalent of a cat playing a piano is still listened to is the fact he died young and byronically. Listen to mature music like Wagner, Bach and Ludwig van.
>>64571674
Gardiner did a nice set of the Haydn late masses. There's a Marriner one as well, but I'm not so keen on it
>>64574121
>mature music
>wagner
>>64574121
Hello poly. Piss off.
>>64571000
Totentanz is probably the weakest of the concerto works though.
His 1st concerto on the other hand is a masterpiece.
>>64574117
>What are some more extremely intense vocal performances like the Schoenberg quartet performances?
bump
>>64574224
>vocal performances
>quartet performances
dude, pick one
>>64574169
Wagner made his great operas for his own pleasure and aesthetic apotheosis.
Mozart was in it for the fame and because he was a needy little bastard.
>>64574176
Fuck off.
>>64573708
I feel the same way. Just the other day, the mezzo was broadcasting a live performance of Carmen, problably one of the most well known operas with lots of really catchy music. I still got bored easily...
I can listen to the Passions from Bach and feel goose bumps all with it. Yes obviously the passions from Bach aren't opera, but they have the same lenght as operas and yet i never feel bored, not even for a minute.
>>64574121
>tfw Mozart is underrated this much
Wagner and Mozart are both great. If you think Mozart isn't worth listening to then you are the plebbiest of Plebs.
>>64574297
there was some insane vocal performance in the schoenberg complete quartet compilation. I'm not making this up. If you'd care to recommend really intense vocal performances though, you're welcome to.
>>64574297
>vocal performances
>not inherently chamber
Reminder that opera, choral and solo vocal works are all memes compared to God-tier 4 part sacred chamber music.
>>64574368
if you're talking about Schoenberg's 2nd quartet where there is a vocal accompaniment then just listen to more Schoenberg.
Pierrot lunaire, Ode to Napoleon Buonaparte, Survivor from Warsaw, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuP0SExoojQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=510IOC15iIM
>>64574368
yeah but Schoenberg was such a cutting-edge composer...as far as i know quartet (chamber)/vocal is a pretty unusually combination...
for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSw9J8N9aFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9k8R6OnzuI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Fn9SLZS6g&list=PL__3xWlwkF9KxHBg_W2qOJKJ177JgyU8u&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cta_cYxGbqA
>>64574453
the only meme around here, is you.
>>64574002
Don't listen to them, both have a lot of masterpieces, but it's up to you to judge whether you like them or not.
>>64574002
HMMMMMMMMMMM, maybe. I'll have to think about this one.
hey guys
I'm from /daily/ and I'm doing a partly classical chart atm. I was wondering if any of you have suggested recordings for anything.
I already have Alban Berg Quartett for beethoven and janacek string quartets and Hewitt for Ravel's piano stuff.
>>64576366
who's Profokiev? lol
>>64576366
Have you ever heard of spellcheck?
>>64576435
Thanks, fixed.
>>64576473
In photoshop? No.
>>64576500
>Lodnon symphonies
>Die Schopfun
Please fix
Anyway, go for Gardiner in the Nelson Mass
Kondrashin in Shosti 15
Brendel for the Schubert piano
Quatuor Mosaïques for Haydn string quartets
Neumann for Dvorak 9
And listen to another Beethoven piano sonata instead of the Moonlight.
>>64576710
thanks a bunch, I made this late at night so was a bit sloppy. I caught that Lodnon just after I posted.
Thanks for the recs! They look great.
>>64576366
no Schubert Impromptu
