I've always hated Burial but I'm listening to this now and in an alright mood for it, but I would rather hear better shit. What can I listen to instead?
ps not the Orb. I love them though more than sex
This. Guaranteed.
Never actually understood such huge hype for burial.
Burial - Kindred Ep
In fact I'll start it with you right now!
The Future Sound of London's first two albums desu
>>64522714
this is pretty cool actually
>>64522749
need newer shit than that thanks though
>>64522714
this is pretty cool
bumping this for more though
>>64522714
Came here to post Clubroot
>>64522818
Archive 8
>>64524113
is that an archive album? I don't see anything searching for it
>>64522694
Check this out, familia
>>64524169
It's on Spotify. :^)
>>64524253
Man, not heard that in years, quite liked it but had a HDD meltdown and forget it
>>64522694
Go for late night walks around your city to Burial
My favorite to walk to is untrue.
Unless you live in Detroit or some shit, stay safe friends
>>64524268
Im not on spotify
>>64524289
Well, there's your issue.
Not liking Burial is like screaming from the rooftops that you have shit taste.
>>64522725
Kindred EP a best
>>64524284
this
>>64522694
Do you ever listen to IDM? I know it has a shit name and fanbase
>>64525760
I meant what the fuck is the name of the band? is it an album? what is it? I get my music from other places it's not a problem just 'archive 8' isn't enough information to be meaningful
>>64527690
yes. I'm part of the shit fanbase
>>64522714
>clubroot
>better than burial
never change /mu/
all you have to do is post a shitty rip-off that's slightly obscure and /mu/ will actually think it's better than the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqds0B_meys
>>64528904
yeah i actually didn't like it that much but I was being nice cause he gave a rec that's why I wanted more.
not very familiar with either but Burial I've heard is basically generic dub shit anyway, not like there's much to rip off that someone else making shitty dub wouldn't do anyway if they want to make it 'dark'
>>64528839
Future Sound Of London.
>>64529283
already heard them.
I'm pretty well versed in all the 90's dance big beat and idm type stuff
>>64529203
>dub
wow, I did not think that /mu/ could be this clueless.
>>64529414
Ironic that I only said that cause I assumed you retards were not clueless but I should have know that was a mistake. Lamo. get educated.
>>64529470
For reference this is what dub sounds like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seIroIRfiZE
What you call dub certainly is not dub.
>>64524284
>>64527453
>le epic "walking around your city at night when it's raining in the dark at night listening to burial" meem
You're both abject spastics and you don't know how to comprehend music
Kode9. And early works of Skream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFLLZbQMh7Y
>>64522694
check volor flex.
>>64529723
Don't tell me what dub is you fucking retard. just because you have no conception or understanding of the lineage and principles by which mellow UK house music like burial can be properly referred to as dub doesn't make you right. It's like you are posting Robert Johnson telling me why Black Sabbath isn't blues. Fuck off retard.
>>64532016
>mellow UK house music
alright, this has to be bait.
>>64532035
it's not bait at all. I don't know what fucking dumbass hype label journalist have attached to this burial character, but I listened to his shit and it was dub. The fact you take an issue with it being called that only shows how little you know about music. fuck off. get educated.
>>64532099
>and it was dub
No, how does it sound like dub?
Dub is reggae instrumentals with reverb and echo.
Burial doesn't sound like reggae
this thread sucks
>>64532132
dub doesn't just refer to reggae instrumentals you retard. If you knew anything about the history of electronic music and the origins of what he's doing you would know that.
>>64532215
stay clueless then /mu/
>>64532099
Burial has and always was dubstep you fucking stupid American pseudo know it all cunt.
>>64532132
>Burial doesn't sound like reggae
Burial is dubstep, which is the electronic variant of dub music. You fucking idiot.
>>64532253
>Burial is dubstep
nobody likes that word
>the electronic variant of dub music
no
stay clueless /mu/
>>64532277
>nobody likes that word
Shut the fuck up you clueless fuck. It's an established genre from the UK. Just because you Americans don't know the difference between electronic genres so lump everything under EDM is not our problem.
>no
>stay clueless /mu/
You're the clueless one you fucking spastic. You couldn't be more wrong if you had your own dick in your ass.
>>64532099
is someone paying you to say this dumb shit you have literally no idea what you're talking about
>>64528904
I am just surprised nobody posted Margari's Kid yet.
ITT: Americans with minimal interest in UK electronic music pretend to know more than they actually do and embarrass themselves in the process.
>>64532016
>>64532099
>it was dub
>>64532313
>It's an established genre from the UK
fair, but even Mala hates the word.
You should know who that is.
>You're the clueless one you fucking spastic
dubstep doesn't really have all that much to do with dub, especially the early stuff and the sort of stuff that Burial put out.
Calling it "electronic dub" is objectively wrong.
Or does this tune sound anything like dub to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEAf_ZztCP0
>>64522694
if burial is too difficult for you, sorrow basically uses a similar sound but is more danceable and also more for plebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yforYWiP4CY
>>64532363
Yup. dub =/= dubstep
Also, Burial is more in line with pre-'05 dubstep (i.e. non-halftime shit like Horsepower Productions) but for the most part he's rooted in just straight up 2-step garage
And this folks, is why you should never talk about dance music outside of /bleep/
>>64529203
clueless pleb fuck
>>64532433
still clueless.
Kindred and Truant/Rough Sleeper are Elder God-tier as fuck and the best work Burial ever did. I could honestly take or leave everything else he's done, though.
>>64532463
Don't even mate. You and I both know that there was a sound referred to as "dubstep" that existed before stuff like Horror Show popularized the halftime style.
>>64532363
Aren't they cute with their glowsticks, molly water and $300 tickets for 5000 people "shows"?
>>64532241
this is what separates people who actually know and care about music from people who don't. People who know about music history understand and use broader genre classifications because they realize the differences between most genres are overblown and the classifications superfluous and useless.
>>64532253
>dubstep, which is the electronic variant of dub music
there are a million different electronic variants of dub.
>>64532313
>Just because you Americans don't know the difference between electronic genres so lump everything under EDM i
just because you chaps figured out how to play dub on machines doesn't mean the silly names you make up for it change the fact you make dub.
>>64532316
Fuck you
>>64532426
I dislike Burial because his music is boring and it sounds like something I could make very easily.
>>64532449
>>64532433
fucking consumerist fags with their genre classifications. real musicians don't give a shit and can just call a spade a spade.
I love how /mu/ just latches onto one or two artists in a genre and just blindly sucks his cock while never even exploring the rest of the genre.
Same with IDM and >muh big Warp 4.
This is assuming pardners are clued up enough to even work out its not all just ''''''''''electronic music''''''''''''.
Must really suck to be a yank.
>>64532599
>I dislike Burial because his music is boring and it sounds like something I could make very easily.
Talk about deluded. Just wow.
>>64532599
Do you even know what garage or jungle is you fuckhead? There's a clear lineage in the music. It's not just "electronic dub".
>>64532599
>there are a million different electronic variants of dub.
Dub influence != a genre of dub
I guess by your logic then post-punk is dub.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music#Musical_impact
>>64532599
this is so embarrassing
never listend to any burial but someone in the commets said this is similiar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZawvHe72xJg
>>64532574
No, there really wasn't anything relevant.
dmz002 is about as early as you're gonna get.
And I know you are thinking about that one tune on tempa002, but that tune really isn't dubstep.
>>64532599
>just because you chaps figured out how to play dub on machines doesn't mean the silly names you make up for it change the fact you make dub.
there aren't any dub machines used in dubstep though
>this is what separates people who actually know and care about music from people who don't. People who know about music history understand and use broader genre classifications because they realize the differences between most genres are overblown and the classifications superfluous and useless.
if this was about dub techno, I'd accept this line of reasoning, because dub techno is literally some techno producers playing with a dub machine.
But this here is about dubstep, which has very little to do with dub outside the name.
>>64532649
jungle is a variant of dub dumbass.
>>64532655
a lot of fucking post punk is dub lamo
>>64532671
this board is embarrassing
>>64532633
lamo I guess you don't know how to make music
>>64532735
Its dub INFLUENCED, its not dub you moron.
>>64532735
>jungle is a variant of dub dumbass.
No. Influenced in part by dub, but no.
>>64532735
>jungle is a variant of dub dumbass
jungle is a variant of hardcore with dancehall influence, actually.
>a lot of fucking post punk is dub
No, it would be reggae.
>this board is embarrassing
Yeah, because most posters are as clueless as you are.
All these genres are now dub music everyone, if you could just rewrite all the Wikipedia and historical music books.
>post-punk
>hlp hop
>disco
>house
>techno
>ambient
>trip hop
>jungle
>drum and bass
>dubstep
>pop
>>64532735
>a lot of fucking post punk is dub lamo
Yeah mate. U2 are CLEARLY dub.
>>64532713
>there aren't any dub machines used in dubstep though
Not even reading anything else you write now that's such a fucking dumb thing to say holy shit
>>64532752
try reading the fucking shit I've said.
>>64532765
>>64532774
non musical people please die
>1960: dub is invented
>all music after this point is also dub
>>64532789
>Not even reading anything else you write now that's such a fucking dumb thing to say holy shit
k senpai
ur wrong tho
also this is way too dedicated to be bait, it's quite sad
>>64532789
Why would I read your objectively wrong posts?
>>64532599
>People who know about music history understand and use broader genre classifications because they realize the differences between most genres are overblown and the classifications superfluous and useless.
Well this just isn't true. Supposing I wanted to delineate between two different groups falling under the same genre, but different subgenres? More than that, you're basically saying "people who know a lot about music probably wouldn't want to go into any sort of excruciating detail about their favourite groups, so that's how you can tell they're TRUE music fans!"
I don't get it, but maybe I'm just spergier than I thought.
>>64532806
tbf dub has ridiculous influence on all music.
>>64532785
you forgot hip-hop which is dancehall which is dub
>>64532833
Its 2nd on the list m8
Hip hop is literally Kool Herc, a Jamaican sound system DJ moving to the Bronx with his family and carrying on where he left off, just adding some breaks.
>>64532862
>Its 2nd on the list m8
fugg
I didn't know Unty liked dub so much
>>64532809
what's sad is I'm the only person who contributes to music after this thread dies. What's sad is you guys.
>>64532830
>TRUE music fans!"
true music fans know enough about what they listen to to hear the structural similarities that outweigh superfluous genre terms, especially calling something like Burial dub.
>>64532833
>you forgot hip-hop which is dancehall which is dub
literally true
The fact is what burial does is not very different than what original dub music is. If he played shit faster I would have called it jungle. It's all dub really and when I hear something as generic and dubby as Burial, it's just dub to me. I don't have any use for classifying it with whatever made up terms it's marketed by, because I hear it as dub
>>64532914
wtf literally the second time in two days someone has insisted I'm unity
>>64532914
>>64532941
who the fuck is unity anyway? Are they like marcel?
>>64532941
Dub and jungle are INFLUENCED in part by dub music, they are not dub.
>>64532974
Hyperautistic tripfag that recently dropped trip. This guy sounds a lot like him.
post proper dub tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqqEJgrhEX4
>>64532941
>sounds like dub to me, it must be dub!
>anyone who claims to know more than me about specific scenes or genres that sprang up in the last 40 years are not true music fans!
>>64532988
the fact you thought you were imparting some revelation only shows how fucking bad you are at being literate.
i love dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86khmc6y1yE
>>64533020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbqdZP1Xxs
>>64533020
https://youtu.be/14eK2RSycJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyy0N94wDho
im all about that dub music, yea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98AJUj-qxHI
>>64533034
anyone who can't hear why it makes sense to call that burial album dub doesn't understand music beyond the most trite consumerist viewpoint.
>>64532990
I am that guy and I'm not Unity.
dub man
i love dub music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E
>>64532941
you're just dumb
>>64533120
see
>>64532988
>>64533036
You've just said its not dub.
nice thread.
Anyone here actually like dub? Proper dub.
>>64533137
>>64533145
If you or any other wise ass here thinks they are smarter about music than I they can remix battle me or shut the fuck up.
>>64533167
No I didn't, you are putting words in my mouth because you are illiterate.
more dub music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-JUSP1CdI
>>64533190
>remix battle
oh my god
post ur choons if u think u think u can replicate burial's sound
i was just listening to this dub tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2FGsfqePM
>>64533258
nice one
i love this one
it's proper dub, none of that jungle shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCrf5Renwl0
>>64522694
That's the best Burial album t b h
>>64533214
i already posted too many tunes for you goons yesterday. It's a remix battle or nothing. archived rules.
*i love dub music*
why does /mu/ talk about burial so much but never mentions dusk and blackdown?
https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=XMQFq1dncuY
>>64535389
i guess its just a mundane scene
>>64535389
/mu/ doesn't even know any artists in that realm outside of burial
is grime technically hip hop?
>>64535772
no, developed separately
>>64532576
Living in the UK and went to a relatively EDM focused night on Saturday. Paid £30 to see some shithead press play all night and just stand still looking bored.
Dubstep is horrid to dance to. It misses the repetitiveness of House/Techno and misses the balls-to-the-wall fun of DnB.
I have no idea how Americans can enjoy EDM when the DJ isn't even mixing, he could effectively walk off stage, maybe it's because they just simply don't know better that they think they can enjoy this shite.
I shit yee not the smoking area was more full than the dancefloor during sub-focuses dubstep set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEXSxUraLCI
https://youtu.be/BCBT4IKt7NM
>>64536106
keep telling yourself that mate
>>64536264
>keep telling yourself that mate
I mean it's true, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
>>64536294
can you prove it?
grime emerged in the early 2000s, the US had 20 years of rich hip hop culture by that point. i guess its just a huge coincidence / convergent evolution huh?
>>64536375
and regardless it meets nearly all the criteria for hiphop, even if it developed separately (supposedly).
>>64529754
this, i'd hate to make music and get it classified as such
>>64536375
>>64536399
Grime came out of MCs doing first jungle and then later garage sets with the "grime" style coming out of a darker deviation of that garage sound which was juxtaposed to a lot of the charting pop garage of the time.
>>64536429
what the fuck even are jungle and garage? grime is literally just british hip-hop.
>>64536429
-black people
-repetitive kick snare pattern
-rhytmic chanting about inner city struggles, drugs, dope, money
-rapping had already existed for 20 years
ok yeah im right c ya m8
>>64536465
>>64536468
I know these are bait but if anybody is actually curious wikipedia can help
>>64536468
rapping began with musicians and producers toasting in dub music
>>64536513
yes, and it's called hip hop and it's a great example of US culture
>>64536509
the only bait was the lack people thing. sonically speaking the shit is hip hop don't kid yaself bruv.
>>64536468
It's MCing you mong. Listen to any fucking sidewinder or eskimo dance sets or any pirate radio recordings from back in the day. It's a whole different ballgame from hip-hop.
Also jungle and most garage tracks weren't just "repetitive kick snare" shit which you might be confusing with house and techno. It was all about the syncopation and off-beat rhythms.
Do you fucking homework dickhead.
>>64536547
>sonically speaking the shit is hip hop don't kid yaself bruv.
except it really isn't
if so, why are uk hip-hop and grime distinct genres?
>>64536547
rapping in itself does not make something hip hop
jungle certainly is not hip hop
grime is derived instrumentally from garage and vocally from jungle mcs
that is all
>>64536567
you could analyze the waveforms and grime would deviate no further than other specialized hip hop subgenres or regional hip hop. in other words the different between east and west coast, from a sonic perspective, is gonna be as similar as grime and southern hip hop.
>>64532735
>jungle is a variant of dub
>>64536547
>syncopation and off-beat rhythms.
yeah. it's fast dub
>>64536547
before there was hip hop they were toasting on dub albums.
>>64536612
no one gives a shit where its derived from given that it objectively would not exist without US hip hop
>>64536581
>if so, why are uk hip-hop and grime distinct genres?
does anybody really believe that? no? ok
Four Tet, people actually thought he was Burial at one point.
>>64536630
Yeah mate, cos a fucking 130 garridge riddem is clearly the exact same thing as some 90s boom bap shit
>>64536630
what the fuck am I reading
>>64536654
and hip hop wouldn't exist without funk
therefore hip hop is funk
good logic
>>64536666
can u read? no? ok
>>64536656
>Four Tet, people actually thought he was Burial at one point.
Only p4k drones and pardners thought that since those are the only two uk dance music-related producer you retards have ever heard of. He literally confirmed his identity on fucking myspace back in the day
>>64536685
>and hip hop wouldn't exist without funk
>therefore hip hop is funk
>good logic
thats not what i said at all, please reread my op
>>64536654
>does anybody really believe that?
Literally anyone who is into grime properly or even slightly knowledgable about dance music? Anyone who uses google for maybe 10 minutes?
I find it hard to understand how someone can claim to know what they're talking about and not know about the differences between UK hip-hop and grime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQnFSJuGcU
This is CLEARLY hip-hop amirite?
>>64536722
I came to the assumption that's what you meant because that's the only reason I could think of that somebody would think grime wouldn't exist without hip hop
And yes, I understand grime indirectly takes heavy influence from it, but it evolved separately out of completely separate genres
>>64536689
Garage isn't hip-hop. MCing (which is something that came over from the jamaican dancehall tradition in the early 90s jungle days) over garage tracks doesn't magically make them hip-hop.
>>64536727
>differences between UK hip-hop and grime?
there is none you idiot
>>64536727
>UK hip-hop and grime?
the differences don't matter.
i love electronic music genres it's the dumbest shit. It's like, if you make a rock song with a 'two step' rhythmn, people will just be like ok that's a song. but in electronic music people pick what is just a natural variant on a rhythm of melodic concept and replicate it ad nausem and call it a genre. it's all bullshit.
>>64536781
the fact that it takes heavy influence proves my point that it should just be considered a hip hop subgenre. just because it developed in a different region doesn't make it its own genre when it takes its inspiration equally from jungle and hiphop. would it have existed anyways? probably, but hip hop came first, and so grime is a hip hop sub genre.
>>64536700
Sorry, I was just trying to help...didn't realize this thread was full of arguing lol.
>>64536817
thank you.
>>64536826
by your own logic it should be both a hip hop and jungle subgenre you retard
and if you're going solely by influence rather than by the history of the genre, then shit like jazz rock should just be considered jazz
>>64536907
no by my logic it would be a jazz subgerne you fucking idiot thanks for proving my point
>>64536938
that's literally what I said and that should be proving that that's a retarded way of classifying things
>>64536793
UK hip hop is literally just hip-hop made by Brits. UK hip-hop has existed for decades. It came from Brits making music like American counterparts, and today it's the same, (look at Section Boyz for example)
Grime is a distinct style of dance music that originated in the early 2000s. It came from garage, especially speed garage, it came from jungle, it came from sound system, MC culture. Grime is (almost) always 140 BPM, low sub bass, 8 bars, eski clicks, sawtooths etc. Look at Wiley, Danny Weed, Spooky etc.
The difference is clear, the difference is obvious, the difference is discussed a lot. Grime isn't just some "opinion" you have and say "yeah nah, it's just Brits doing hip-hop", grime is its own genre and its own culture, a culture that is tied more to dance music, and jamaican sound system culture compared to hip-hop.
Now that I've explained it, will you give the rest of /mu/ the memo and stop posting this?
>>64537111
none of that fucking matters you twit, its rhythmic chanting over repetitive kick drums. again, convergent evolution
These are genres:
Jazz, blues
Dub
Hypergrunge
Rock
Tribal
Foreign
Classical, minimal and serial
Non idiomatic
Pop
ʰʸᵖᵉʳᵍʳᵘᶰᵍᵉ
Folk
RnB
That's all. If they are mean, bratty, overtly irreverent add the prefix punk.
Prog is a classical of jazz variant.
Rock is just RnB played straighter and louder.
Metal is just rock player louder with less feeling.
Black Metal is the same as that with less bass.
>>64537135
it's not convergent just because it has rapping over it you ignoramus
>>64537221
>its not [genre synonymous with "rap"] because it has rapping
>>64537382
Like we've already established, the only people who think grime is synonymous with rap are people ignorant of the genre, in the same way that people who call all dance music "techno" or call metal with screamed vocals "screamo" are being ignorant.
>>64537454
Also rap is a vocal technique not a genre anyway.
>>64536753
It is hip-hop. Grime is literally just hip-hop.
