Why does it seem like every modern musician out of the realm of the obvious genres (punk, power electronics, black metal etc) are really left wing and support social justice issues. Especially younger bands in genres like emo, indie, electronic, folk punk etc. Post some non politically correct musicians. Not obvious shit like Burzum plz. pic related
>>64494862
>>64494862
Intellectuals lean to the left wing, this is well known by now
>>64494891
>intellectuals
Yeah because banning hurtful words and not giving a shit about immigration or crime is a very intellectual thing.
Also implying being intellectual has anything to do with being a musician
>>64494891
Ahhhahhahahaha
be careful with your post-ironic comments
Because right-wingers are unable to make good music.
>>64494961
>>64495532
He's right though. Not hating on right wing politics or anything.
>>64494961
>>64495532
>thinking intellectualism and intelligence are the same thing
>>64494862
It makes sense that right-wing individuals, being less pro-welfare and more for individualism would avoid the financial risk of focusing on musicianship rather than a pursuit which is actually likely to give them a stable income
>>64495567
the "art is liberal" meme strikes again
who /libertard/ here
Because lefty cuck politics and identity politics in general is very popular today.
Like even right wing people are mired in shitty identity politics ( muh tribalism, muh nationalism). Thus, any musician in the popular realm knows the easiest way to make money is to talk about this sort of political trash. It's all a cash grab in an era where no-one knows who the fuck they are.
>>64495567
>implying bowie, joy division and beach boys are not good
>>64495585
People who know nothing about economics lean to the left because they believe in a state sponsored utopian world, but don't realise that more taxation and regulation of the free market only aid large businesses and the little guy gets fucked.
>>64494862
Because they're all middle and upper middle class faggots with hippie parents, they dominate the music, the labels, the journalism and the production. It's insufferable.
>>64494862
>>64495046
I'm pretty sure both of these guys we're just faking it.
Because being right-wing is only beneficial from a family standpoint
Left is all about being progressive and constantly reinventing yourself whether it's a good change or bad they still strife for that. Which is what Art is all about
I don't get agree with the left's current stance on things but it's still progressive.
Left adapts
right refuses to change
>>64494961
>>64495532
>>64495635
>>64495646
>>64495651
>>64495652
Average left-winger:
>successful
>has friends and family
>in a relationship
>content with life because they aren't filled by hate
Average right-winger:
>never had any success in life
>no friends, family resents him
>no girl would ever think of touching him, virgin at age 40
>due to the above mentioned reasons, hates everyone and himself and blames "dem niggers and joos and esjaydubjus" for everything
>>64494862
Musicians and artists in general tend to be open-minded and think outside the box. The same thing that leads them to be creative artistically leads them to look for change politically.
You'll notice that most of the good right wing musicians are extremists like Varg Vikernes, because having views that extreme also requires the dismissal of societal norms.
>>64495693
>Because being right-wing is only beneficial from an economic standpoint
fixed
>>64495687
I'm pretty sure Curtis voting for Thatcher goes beyond faking it
>>64495695
trump smashes all your right wing tropes.
>>64495739
thanks and I agree
>>64495730
>>64495693
Im an artistic person who makes music, paints, creates etc but i was raised left but moved to right wing on my own. I believe the state of left wing today is going to bring a massive rise in right wing youths as a response to the madness that is leftism
>>64495833
The only thing you paint are the same flowers and trees over and over again because anything else would be "dugunrate".
>>64495730
believe it or not but left wing is popular today so in a sense being right wing is being weird and wacky and totally not like the other kids
>>64495795
Trump is only right-wing because he has a small penis and his hair looks stupid.
>>64495852
Your on 4chan dude, dont try and act like a morally perfect lefty who throws paint on a canvas and calls it art
>>64495895
show me donalds nudes then if u such a big boy
>>64495833
>>64495874
Well, that's the thing. Leftist thought that would even 20 years ago be considered weird is now becoming the norm amongst the younger generation, so we're getting to a stage where left-wing thought is more conformist. I still think the majority of truly creative people will be left wing, but there will be an increase in right wing artists and a decrease in the overall percentage of leftists who think creatively (because many will just be going along with what they are told instead of thinking for themselves).
The big difference is that the 'weirdos' today who are right wing still think in a more logical, fact-based manner than the leftist majority, which doesn't lend itself towards art in my opinion. Most left wing talk today is about >muh feels and embracing change, so I still think that is an approach more conducive to art.
>>64495833
it's already starting . we are in a reactionary era just look at /pol/ majority of them are just autist joining the cause just to "piss" people off
>>64495934
>still think in a more logical, fact-based manner than the leftist majority
Yeah bro, kill the niggers, gas the kikes
The finest out there
![9413[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SqT7oly.jpg "9413[1].jpg")
>>64495899
Throwing paint on a canvas is more artistic than any of your pretty landscapes. Modern art proves that literally anything is art and that emotion matters, not skill.
>>64495915
Sure.
>>64495974
watch some milo speeches. Its all statistics and facts with references. Obviously you haven't looked into right wing politics and are probably just influenced by friends, family etc. Explore things for yourself. Either way nice bait
>>64495934
thats a very good point
>>64494862
Is OP trying to say that Black Metal, Punk and Power Electronic artists are left wing or right wing? I don't get the wording of his sentence
>>64496000
People used to dedicate their whole life time just to perfect light composition. But yeah throwing some paint on a canvas while crying about daddy is pretty cool too.
>>64495974
/pol/ is not representative of most right wing thought. For what it's worth, the racist right wingers usually cite crime statistics or point to facts about Jewish control of the media when they make their arguments. Those are flawed arguments as far as I'm concerned, but the approach at least attempts to be fact-based and isn't just about an expression of feeling.
>>64496006
I'm right wing and I think milo is a joke. Just a double agent tricking people. he's not too be trusted
>>64496020
well they are known to be "edgy" so their political views cant really be taken too seriously.
>>64496028
because hes gay? all the dude talks is facts and the way he is so unapologetic about everything is just icing on the cake
>>64496056
no I'm gay myself also
i think he's full of shit another opportunist. glad you enjoy him but don't be surprise if he disappoints you soon.Something will come out sooner or later to prove he's a fraud
>>64495695
this is such a stupid lie, the right wing is all about strong families and rewarding success you fucking cretin. leftists are all poor fucking hippy cunts who look like this
>>64495695
t: 11 year old
>>64494891
*retards with a degree in art therapy lean to the left wing
>>64495695
You're not even trying to hide the fact that you're left wing only because it's socially acceptable and a way to earn friends.
>>64496171
You realize the guy in the picture is just trolling right? Why would he post about living with his parents if he didn't want negative attention
>>64496171
>>64496196
Sounds like someone is "triggered", as you guys would put it.
>>64496214
>Why would he post about living with his parents if he didn't want negative attention
Aspergers
>>64495652
Let me guess, you have an economics degree?
>>64496214
>>64496221
progressives getting rowdy
>>64496222
Why would he post Aspergers is he didn't want negative attention.
>it's another /mu/ tries to talk politics episode
when will this board get deleted
>>64496260
And is there meant to be something wrong with that?
>>64496263
https://twitter.com/search?f=users&vertical=default&q=aspergers&src=typd
>>64496275
Go to /b/ then fag
>>64496221
>triggered
Dude, you get laughed off of other boards on a daily basis
https://desustorage.org/_/search/filename/tips%20stahlhelm.jpg/
I'm lmaoing @ your life
>>64496328
If I didn't want to look at a bunch of autists arguing over politics why would I go to /b/? You go to /b/
>>64496286
None of these people are screaming give me negative attention like the other guy but nice try anon.
>>64495795
Which is probably why he used to be a democrat before he decided to manipulate the growing base of retards who get their ideas from memes and Facebook.
>>64496006
>stats can't be manipulated
>>64494891
Intellectuals judge each issue on a case by case basis and do not have any political allegiance
libcucks and /pol/lacks are equally retarded
>>64494862
Ian Curtis wasn't right-wing, bitch-tits. Joy Division just used Nazi imagery because it fit their sound.
>>64496377
No, Ian voted Thatcher
>>64495046
Was Bowie right wing? Source or info pls?
>>64496404
You know what google is right?
>>64494862
>really left wing and support social justice issues
>implying there's anything wrong with this
>>64496404
>"...invaded by hordes of scummy, race-mixing traitors and Red-led Marxist
mongrels demanding human rights for subhumans. Yes, once again, we see
amassed the underground army of social malcontents, racial throwbacks, and
genetically-botched black boneheads--this army of ghetto guerrillas and
street-razor savages that has turned our cities into jungles and our schools
into battlefields. Now this army of the ignorant, the shiftless, the criminal
and the irresponsible, after receiving billions upon billions of dollars in
federal aid, for everything from free food to free abortions, they now come to
Washington, D.C. to demand a national holiday for this doubly-degenerate, Jew-
led, Red jungle bunny responsible for their freedom to lope their way through
life at the white man's expense. Martin Luther King, a mm mm mm mm, Communist
Jew, a member of no less than 62 Communist Party front groups, a black man who
lusted after white women, who embraced the teachings of a half-pint Hindu, and
a Christ-hating Jew. This criminal Communist coon, they want a national
holiday for him? Ridiculous."
-David Bowie
>>64496430
You just agree with their views so of course it seems right to you. You understand others have different opinions right?
>>64496440
I don't know why he was so mean
>>64496025
https://youtu.be/lNI07egoefc
>>64496025
it really this though, wether you like it or not
>>64496282
I meant that you don't and you're wrong. Besides, yes, there is in a way. All the old boys in Chicago are all stuck in their ways and can't accept the true reality of human nature. It's hilarious how right wing retards can cry foul about colleges and academia being corrupted by the left all day when climate change comes up, but the moment economics enters the discussion, suddenly 95% of them have economics degrees and therefore have final say and objective truth. Just accept that you're being manipulated for the gain of capitalists.
>>64496377
I said lean, not pledge absolute allegiance.
>>64496206
PhD holders have the sharpest increase in left wing support in comparison to other education levels. In general, the more education you have and the poorer you are, the more likely you are to vote left.
>>64494961
>not giving a shit about immigration or crime
I beg your pardon?
>>64496501
>yeah i listen to classical, i'm not one of those degenerates who listen to nigger music and go to parties. im superior because i listen to music made by dead white men.
>>64496440
"We must be honest, decent, loyal and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech, does not interest me in the slightest. What other nations can offer in the way of good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary, by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an antitank ditch interests me only insofar as the anti-tank ditch for England is finished"
Anyone who views politics as tribally as the people in this thread is unlikely to be a creative or an intellectual, just a dependent drone who can't function without a team to fight for.
>>64496554
no shit people who spent more time in marxist indoctrination centres are more prone to vote left. Ask any of them a basic question about economy and they will shit themselves.
megadeth and slayer are non-pc bands. metallica isn't really a politically aligned band but james isn't pc (and the others probably aren't either)
>>64496598
Do you hold a PhD? What makes you think that universities universally push marxist agenda?
>>64496598
>You want to know why all the intellectuals and successful people are left-wing? Well, the Jewish feminist leftist global conspiracy is behind it! All the years of studying turned them into sheep. Free thinkers such as myself get their informations from /pol/ infographics that have been debunked decades ago.
>>64494961
>actually believing all left-wingers are the PC type
Have you ever actually left your safe space that is /pol/ besides some spillover /mu/posting?
>>64496623
i am in university right now and all the professors are marxists and they hire more marxists. there are often compulsory modules with a strong marxist bias.
Animal Collective
>>64494862
Why is pic related? Was Ian Curtis a leftist?
>>64496652
nobody said anything about jews or feminists, im talking about all the fat marxists that fill up universities. when i even bring up aestheticism in my english lit course some slobby marx worshipper will try to debate me on it
>>64496171
Do you know who the Democratic establishment is in the U.S.? Do you know the type of yuppies that support Shill?
>>64496654
>I only dropped out of university because everyone is a fucking marxist! That's why my life is one huge failure, it's those damn marxists!
>>64496654
Where do you study and what? What makes you think that all universities indoctrinate like yours supposedly does?
>>64496712
no i am actually doing better since i can write a more coherent essay about aesthetic theory than any of those fucking fedora tipping cunts can write about, have you ever read an essay by a marxist?
>>64496561
- someone who probably thought the new beyonce album was good
>>64496654
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/do_liberal_professors_indoctrinate_students/
>>64496561
>dead white men.
lol fuck yourself you regressive, are you seriously trying to argue his music taste isnt cool enough on an anime imageboard?
>>64496671
No, he was a Thatcher-voting conservative.
>>64496671
Ian Curtis was a fan of Thatcher and voted for the conservatives in the 1979 general
>>64496785
Your idea of a coherent essay is probably "THE NIGGERS AND THE WOMEN ARE BEHIND IT; GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW". You're right, those fucking marxists can't compete with that.
>>64496792
>everything not made by white men is degenerate!
>>64496824
Voting a right-wing politician once doesn't make you a conservative
>>64496850
lets be honest you probably don't know what the words "aesthetic theory" mean which is why you wrote that fucking braindead response, i will let you google it and try again.
>>64496819
Only racists pretend that music made by dead white men is worth listening to.
>>64496665
thanks for contributing to the thread babe
>>64496850
Not that guy, but you argue like a petulant child to the extent of proving his point.
>>64496863
>once
americans out
>>64496880
good post :)
>>64496877
I don't care about your joke of an university, when I graduated in women's studies, I learned things that were truly important. Things like tolerance, acceptance and equality. Things a nazi like you would never understand.
>>64496902
What made you think I was american?
>>64496883
*blows you a kiss*
;)
>>64496850
>everything not made by white men is degenerate!
I'm not even white lmao, the only thing I give a shit about is the level of expression in the music. I can't help but notice though that pop culture and left-wing cultural identitarianism is oppressive to individuality, artistic or otherwise
>>64496965
>I'm not even white lmao
So you're one of those PoC who have been brainwashed by white people into thinking that you and your race are inferior? I'm sorry to hear that, I really am. You're a victim of white people.
Left-wing politics are only oppressive to nazis and other people who hold the world back.
>>64496927
bcos u think thatcher only got elected once?
>>64497013
nice bait man. you're more brainwashed by white culture than I am though. I don't owe any allegiance to any skin-deep identity but I also can't help but notice that the culture war is a WHITE culture war between WHITE rightists and WHITE leftists with WHITE leftists using "PoC" (a very racist term in itself) to achieve THEIR political ends.
>>64497020
Once before he died you fucking idiot
>>64495693
>Republican party ended slavery
>Democratic party fought to keep it
Saying shit like "right wing refuses to change, but the left adapts" is patently ignorant of modern history.
Just because your prototype conservative is a middle aged man in a suit who is uncomfortable around gays doesn't make you right.
>>64494877
hes sjw championing lgbt issues
>>64496142
What about shapiro?
>>64497013
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting, reddit
>>64497269
He's a kike
>>64497286
The only instance of irony here is that a stormweenie like you browses a liberal board.
>>64496554
and which way are inner city blacks on the poverty line more likely to lean?
That's a dumb point you made
>>64496597
But not you, right? You're not a drone, right?
Because leftism is the in thing now, and has been since the punk rock revolution in the 70s. Give it a decade or two and another right leaning revolution will take over
>>64497334
>black people are more likely to support the people who want to help them
The fact that this is surprising to you is just further proof that right-wingers are some of the dumbest people alive.
>>64496926
Fresh off the /b/ boat
>>64497320
the average "stormweenie" (code word for poor white person) rightfully hates the WHITE leftist (you) more than the "PoC" at his core but the WHITE leftist (you) uses the "PoC" as his "goy" in the culture war to misdirect the dumb "stormweenie"
>>64496493
it seems like modern art just goes way over his head. whats the point in skill and beauty? theres so much more to existence.
>>64497383
Children raised in conservative households are significantly more likely to go into STEM and get a real job of the children tgat go to university.
Of the ones that don't, children raised in conservative households are statistically much more likely to have a career in the trades and not be on welfare.
The dipshit part of "the left" really fucked up desu. You can only have so many pseudo-controversies because someone said / did something "problematic" and the end result is getting fired before the reactionaries come.
I know Tumblr isn't "the left" but when you let your shitty teens / shitty adults / shitty people do things that have real-world consequences you have a problem. Now the shitty teens / shitty adults / shitty people of the right are doing things that have real-world consequences, and even moreso because they feel like they are fighting in "a culture war". It would be cringe-worthy if .. wait, it IS cringe-worthy.
It's like poisoning the well is a sport and an art form with the way Tumblr / Twitter / this place / a certain other places do it.
>>64497473
I don't care about your conspiracy theories.
>>64497509
No one cares about boring shit like STEM. What really matters are liberal arts, women's studies and gender studies.
>>64495695
>Projecting this much
ISHYGDDT
>>64497629
/mu/ has the most entry-level bait
>>64497533
I mean, these things are fucking stupid but they're used as ammunition. Not only are there several progressives who aren't progressives, there are several who are idiots (and both of these camps overlap). These end up going on witch hunts. if it isn't a witch hunt, it's useless circle-jerking, or hand-wringing. The fake outrage burns. Social media sucks.
![Woody_Guthrie_NYWTS[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FOxUIIf.jpg "Woody_Guthrie_NYWTS[1].jpg")
>>64494862
Intelligent and creative people tend to be the same people who make good art and not just copy everyone else, and it just so happens that intelligent and creative people also tend to be left wing, hence you get the correlation.
Meanwhile conservatives, reactionaries, fascists and so on are, generally speaking, mentally deficient in some way, so of course they will not make good art. They take their views from what their peer group thinks, they model their worldview on tradition and archaic bigotry and atavistic fear of those they perceive as other. They never look to the future, they never try to create anything new, of course they will not be good musicians, they will just try and recreate (ie. stale imitate) music, art, literature, etc. of the past, they have no creativity in them, and they are too stupid to see it.
It's not at all surprising that the Nazis labeled Jazz, Serialism, Stravinsky etc. "entartete musik" (degenerate music) and banned it, their regressive and claustrophobically tiny minds could not handle anything new, no wonder reactionaries have never and will never create anything original.
>>64494862
Who /ancap/ here
Not conservative, but making songs about pedophilia and violent murder is certainly not politically correct.
>>64497787
are you retarded?
>>64497790
also the obvious
I assume the answer is record labels. Most media and labels is controlled by liberals.
Musicians are simply hostages in this case. They cannot say anything or labels will simply drop them, media will demonize them and destroy their reputation.
On the other hand, cocksuckers like Macklemore can make their careers singing songs about white privilege and shouting for gay marriage.
If anything, this model resembles music in USSR very much. That's why Soviet music didn't ever compare to the rest of the world.
>>64497820
I've had my iq professionally tested, and it puts me in the top 0.135% of the population (145).
>>64497877
Yeah? Mine is 146.
>>64497910
Well done? I was merely answering your question, not boasting.
>>64495852
Lol, citing modernism 101 as example
Dude, it's not 1916 anymore. The art has been deconstructed millions of times before you. Surprise, if you go to any art gallery, it's mostly modernist shit. "Where does the art starts hurr durr? This piece costs $500,000 by the way".
>>64497831
>That's why Soviet music didn't ever compare to the rest of the world.
Pleb detected.
>>64497171
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha holy shit
you seriously just argued from the names of the parties
ahahahahahah
These people exist.
How can you be this fucking stupid?
>>64497877
>>64497910
Well, colour me skeptical
>>64497831
Prokofiev, Shostakovitch... the list goes on.
Anyway, the USSR wasn't leftist, it was state capitalist.
>>64498026
>the USSR wasn't leftist
Oh, oh, house! What do I win?
>>64497962
Lol yeah. I'm Russian, it's fun seeing pretentious people think Soviet music was superior.
>>64498026
Lol what? I mean popular music, not composers.
Also,
> The USSR wasn't leftist
Wow, the rest of us Russians don't even know the truth!
>>64497877
which test was it tho
>>64497910
the IQ is actually relevant in that high IQ (not above-average, high as in 130+) individuals tend towards free-market libertarianism. this is well-documented in both studies and surveys of high IQ societies such as mensa and triple nine. this is even more relevant since liberals have a habit of pointing to studies saying liberals have (very slightly) higher IQs than conservatives whilst ignoring that actual high-IQ individuals tend to shun both liberalism and conservatism.
Im moderate left and i dont know whats bait or not in this thread. Both the right-wingers and left-wingers itt acts like each others stereotypes... this chan truly is degenerate!
>>64498114
That sounds interesting, where did you read that?
>>64498167
Carl, N. (2014), Feldman, S., & Johnston, C. (2014), Hodson, G., & Busseri, M. A. (2012), Iyer, R., Koleva, S., Graham, J., Ditto, P., & Haidt, J. (2012), Heaven, P. C., Ciarrochi, J., & Leeson, P. (2011), Kemmelmeier, M. (2008) and Van Hiel, A., Pandelaere, M., & Duriez, B. (2004) are the most widely cited scientific studies if you want to dig them up and read them. You can find the Mensa and Triple Nine surveys with a quick google search.
>>64498114
WAIS-IV
And yeah, I've heard the same. Idiots are conservative, slightly above average is liberal and high above average is libertarian.
>>64497790
are you joking? shes extreme sjw. championing and raising awareness of people of all gender and sexual identities (including pedophiles, necrophiliacs, zoophiles etc). talking about murder and violence as a way to bring awareness to causes and thoughts of hatred in society. shes an extreme sjw way more than the starbucks cup facebook meme post variety that is criticized.
>>64498968
>she
>>64499093
sorry i wasnt sure what preferred pronouns they uses
>>64499122
Just play it safe and go with xir.
>>64497831
>I assume the answer is record labels. Most media and labels is controlled by liberals.
Perhaps the mid to high tier rank individuals, but I honest to god believe the head honchos with the biggest paychecks in record labels and media conglomerates are conservative.
Also, I rather see a bunch of fellow lefties band together and create their own politically correct liberal party. Everything about the GOP disgusts me, but i'm not a fan of the SJW sect of lefties either.
Also, fuck economics. Such a lazy excuse to brand yourself a conservative.
>>64499276
>> create their own politically correct liberal party
I meant to say "their own politically incorrect liberal party".
NB.
>>64498968
I was mostly referring to '80s Gen not current Gen.
>>64498832
You've got me (139) beat by a few points on the same test. Was just curious.
>>64499276
>fuck economics... lazy excuse...
im laffin, what's your not-lazy excuse for dismissing all of economics, then?
>>64499577
>im laffin, what's your not-lazy excuse for dismissing all of economics, then?
honestly, that's really more of me thinking that most of those who consider themselves "fisically conservative" only act that way towards stuff that doesn't fit their MO.
When it comes to military spending,spending towards anti-abortion action and such, all pretense of them being "fisically conservative" is dropped harder than a big log of turd in a toilet.
Wouldn't a true, honest to god fisical conservative lock themselves up in a shack in the middle of the woods with no electricity, wear absolutely nothing and feed on any animal that comes in a walking distance with them without spending a single damn dime.
Just...think of that for a second.
>>64495695
>Right-wingers getting BTFO
This is great to watch.
>>64499488
shes always been extremely sjw. bringing awareness to torture, pain, violence, rape, the abject are not ant-sjw. theyre not supporting or advocating it.
>>64487373
music is art
and art is left-wing
>>64499803
>Wouldn't a true, honest to god fisical conservative lock themselves up in a shack in the middle of the woods with no electricity, wear absolutely nothing and feed on any animal that comes in a walking distance with them without spending a single damn dime.
that demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the "why" behind free market fiscal policy. people who support economic libertarianism generally do so because they believe it does a more effective job at promoting innovation, economic growth, and raising living standards for everyone than government intervention in most cases. trade is what allows our society to be so advanced and countries that suppress it tend to stagnate. you can have a job and not just pay for modern housing, electricity, clothes and food, but all kinds of modern technology using materials collected and parts assembled from all over the world. fiscal "conservatives" see trade as a positive force and want more of it.
the hypocrisy espoused by parties such as the republicans is not something I or other libertarians will defend since we are the loudest critics in this regard.
>>64500300
art is communication. communication is neither inherently left-wing or right-wing. you are conflating communication with social movements in a way that does not reflect inherent reality.
>>64498026
>Anyway, the USSR wasn't leftist
>Anyway, Venezuela wasn't leftist
>Anyway, China wasn't leftist
>Anyway, North Korea wasn't leftist
>Anyway, Cuba wasn't leftist
>Anyway, Cambodia wasn't leftist
When will leftists answer for their sins?
When will leftists finally acknowledge that the reason why socialism has never occurred in self-declared leftist countries is because it's an impossible Utopian fantasy?
When will leftists recognize that capitalism isn't just an economic system, it's an instinctive human behavior that cannot be eliminated without mass oppression?
What will it take for leftists to realize that their ideas are directly responsible for human rights abuses and often genocide in innumerable countries across the planet?
Why do leftists constantly shirk their personal responsibility?
Why do leftists sincerely believe no nation has never attempted to establish socialism?
Why can't leftists accept that their ideology is inherently flawed and simply repeating the same formula over and over will not fix it?
>>64495652
You're just parroting something you heard. You're no different than the people you're criticizing.
The liberals that you're talking about were told something and they adopted it because it seemed true to them.
You did the exact same thing except the teacher was a conservative and you're a conservative.
go out and kill all the niggers and spics if you feel so inclined to, op
>>64500581
>[citation required]
honestly, i'd settle for a WND post
To the completely assblasted /pol/cuck ITT. Name one right wing intellectual who's on par with all the great intellectuals
>>64501352
I don't need a source to cite a personal interpretation of a major political ideology, you absolute retard.
>>64502215
Scruton
Pound
Land
Nietzsche (fundamentally an anti-egalitarian who supported the separation of classes of people)
Burke
Eliot
Evola
Spengler
Mishima
Cioran
Jünger
Benoist
Mosley
Do I need to continue?
>>64502639
>all those two bit hacks and fiction writers
>Mishima, Uvola, Benoist and Pound
>Fucking Nietzsche
Kek...remember kids, fascists are fascists because they're dumb, otherwise they wouldn't be fascists.
>>64502866
not even that guy but I'm not sure who you think all the "great intellectuals" are. post your list so I can laugh at it because I guarantee it's just as bad as that dude's list.
>>64500581
Why do rightists always ignore the relative success of social democracy and Keynesian, which has been far more successful than neoliberalism and has lead to much more equal, socially just, compassionate and wealthy societies. Neoliberalism since the late 70s has lead to massive inequality and economic instability. The fact that less capitalism is better than more capitalism is simply further proof that capitalism is a terrible system that only benefits the very few.
There are 5.3 times more empty houses than homeless people, yet homelessness persists.
CEOs are paid 300 times the average worker.
Global agricultural production exceeds the needs of everyone on earth, but 800 million people go hungry.
250-300 million children are enslaved in order to make products for people in the west.
62 own as much wealth as the entire bottom 50%
the richest 1% owns more than the entire other 99%
People go hungry every day, prostitute themselves just to feed themselves, are enslaved, are poisoned by pollution from the energy and chemical industries, people are blown up by bombs and guns made by capitalists and supplied in order to enrich themselves. Yet at the same time people have millions and billions of dollars, far more than they need or could ever even use, their lives a living testament to the hypocrisy and gluttonous excess of capitalism.
When will capitalists recognize the crimes of capitalism?
When will they accept their ideology is inherently flawed and simply repeating the same formula over and over will not fix it?
>>64494891
you mean pseudointellectuals
>>64503482
Actually pseudo-intellectuals such as yourself tend to lean to the right, intellectuals tend to lean to the left.
>>64503328
>keyesianism
>"social democracy"
>not capitalist
kek @ your entire premise
>>64503482
>>64503542
>no u
protip: you're both pseudointellectuals and so are everyone you think are intellectuals
>>64503631
Center left economics is certainly better than center right economics, and naturally this is consistent with my point that capitalism is a terrible system.
The reason I cite social democracy and Keynesian economics is to argue for market regulation, again the fact that these systems are capitalist does not invalidate the point. Naturally any society that is to successfully adopt socialism is going to transition through a period of social democracy while capitalism is gradually dismantled, companies mutualized, banks nationalized and so on.
>>64500345
I can understand that, but a big turn-off for me is that a lot of those fisically conservative or even fisically moderate folk still support scumbags who want to shitcan the separation of church and state for their own psychotic purposes.
I am super anxious to see a bunch of sane, levelheaded republicans and conservatives ditch the GOP and strengthen the Libertarian party, all while leaving the GOP for the religious right degenerate pond scum.
By the same coin, I also want to see politically incorrect lefties create their own party to distance themselves from SJWs while outright refusing to jumpshit to the diseased, beyond repair republican party.
>>64503542
>>64503482
When did I say I was? Actually wait maybe I'm working toward becoming one.
I'm more on the left side I'd say. I'm probably not that smart of a guy but I have a job that requires me to find ideas that will please to people so I guess I have a scientific backup for what I believe in. Even simpler, if my ideas aren't good they just go in the trash.
Here's the short definition of an intellectual according to Wiki.
An intellectual is a person who engages in critical study, thought, and reflection about the reality of society, and proposes solutions for the normative problems of that society, and, by such discourse in the public sphere, he or she gains authority within the public opinion.
I work in a videogame studio (and I'm ashamed of it now) and I can't just propose ideas that won't please to the target demographic. It's a constant battle and you gotta be informed.
Look, my boss is in his 50s and all he wants to see is muscles and big boobs and on the other side I have the girls slowly losing interest in the project because it's slowly turning into my boss' ego trip. I love monsters with big muscles, blood and loud music. I'm a dude, though I understand not only dudes are going to play these games so I do actually inform myself to see what people have to say on either side otherwise the game is headed toward failure. Am I such a little nazi now?
>>64503944
You're missing the full picture that economic policies need to be adaptable to circumstance. Countries like Singapore, which have little no no natural resources, would have been hard pressed to advance their standard of living to the high standard it is now without free market policies. The United States could not have become the advanced economy it is today without its period of relative laissez-faire. There's a lot of people in China who would be a lot worse off or dead from starvation if they didn't decide on liberalizing their economy a bit. The most successful economies in Latin America are the most economically liberal. It is only when a country has already become highly wealthy and developed economically that these policies begin to make any sense at all, and certainly not to the degree you seem to advocate, involving the heavy nationalization of industry. Most of the world, especially the third world, which are dominated by production-based economies, would highly benefit from economic liberalization.
New musical movements tend to start in large cities, and cities tend to be more liberal than rural areas.
>>64504427
yeah
>>64504211
I wouldn't advocate massive state ownership of industry, I would advocate state ownership of certain areas of the economy, public transport, public broadcasting, health services, etc. those areas involved in some degree of public service in a loose sense. I would advocate that large companies not in these areas would have their ownership transferred over a relatively long period of time from private owners and large stake shareholders to those people who actually work for the company so the company is at any time owned by those who work for it, and the workers have a majority stake in the company's running and have an interest in the success of the company.
Economic liberalization, where it leads to wealth accruing only in the hands of the few cannot be conceived as a force for good; I think you overestimate the value of economic freedom in the third world, as they stand to be exploited in their trading relationships.
