Tell me, /mu/
How can one group of people be so talented?
Grimes doesn't belong on there.
Grimes is the only one with talent though.
>>64481599
this
just another way for some faggot to spam her
who these
>>64481600
>singing
>talent
>>64481585
Is this the notorious Death Grips?
>>64481585
>no drake
could you imagine having these 4 in a car during a road trip. i think i'd drive off a fucking cliff
>>64481585
sorry for my ignorance, but who is top left?
is that dean blunt?
>>64482113
James Ferraro
>>64482133
o fuck, not what i expected him to look like at all
Switch grimes with Joanna Newsom and i'm kind ok with this.
they're OK, don't overrate them please
>>64482159
they are all the most overrated trash tier artists .
>>64482190
OPN does some really interesting shit tho
how can one group of people belong in the trash so much?
I like Ferraro more than OPN to be honest
They're both good though
Hype Williams was great, solo Blunt far less so
And Grimes is like 100000000x beneath them, nowhere near the same league for me
>>64481626
>singing
>composing
>writing lyrics
>playing synths and samplers
>producing
>drawing artwork
>directing music videos
>>64482378
Dean just wants to smoke dope and be thug since him and Inga broke up. The Redeemer was his last good album.
>>64483125
but she's shit at all of those.
>>64483125
sure she does all that, but it's not good anymore. art angels is awful.
>>64483198
>>64483228
Prove it that she's awful. The professional critics have a totally different opinion than you.
>>64483479
>professional critics
OPN>Dean Blunt=Ferraro>>>>>>>>Grimeth
Honestly this is a bait grouping of people, but replacing Grimes with Laurel Halo would make more sense for a contiguous grouping of sounds n stuff
>>64483169
nah m8 black metal was pop done right especially that half
100 is his best song yet
>>64483508
Yeah. Not dumb amateur critics like you. If you say that she's shit, you have to prove that. You're the contrarian here.
>>64483527
Nah m9 only if the point was to sound uninspired, else we can't agree.
>>64483479
>it's the faggot who keeps saying she's good because she's "successful"
Justin Bieber is a god by that standard
>>64483639
I agree redeemer is overall best album but I ain't in the mood to listen to that shit everyday
black metal is like my edc got some good tunes on it.I can play all thru the day if needed
>>64483169
>and be thug
It's satire, mate.
>>64483668
She's good because she's good, faggot. It's not only me, many others share the same opinion. You must have crappy taste is music if you can't like even one song of her.
>>64483639
>only if the point was to sound uninspired
the point was to comment on race and self representation of/as a black male(s) in world of signifiers you retard
>>64482226
>>64481585
Eccojams is one of the most important records of the century. The rest of his stuff is below decent though.
>>64482145
Did you aIso imagine him as a white skater punk hipster music pIeb faking N Y 90s styIe such as pic reIated?
>Because l sure as fuck did, seriousIy to the fucking T
>>64483668
>Justin Bieber is a god by that standard
Except that the critics generally don't like his music. Read the reviews, faggot.
>>64483681
Yeah I agree with you there. I can't even listen to it anymore, too many feels. Artistic couples always end in disaster. I just listen to his thuggish songs because I want to feel like him, so I spin babyfather (the mixtape) a lot more. Black metal feels like an awkward in-between.
>>64481585
Autism
>>64483772
youre not wrong then. that looks like something he would wear
>>64483772
somebody punch this kid
>>64483752
>You must have crappy taste is music if you can't like even one song of her.
Alin your mastery of the english language begs the question why you think you have the right to get self righteous on anyone
It saddens me too that you always use the word faggot as an insult, why so self loathing?
I think if you accepted yourself for who you are it'd be much easier for you to move on when people disagree with you. You have to be right to make up for how you see yourself :(
>>64483752
she's done nothing particularly interesting and has a decent amount of absolute trash in her discography, I'm perfectly fine continuing to go without her music gracing my ears
>>64483777
there were a fuckton of people praising his last album with skrillex on it
>>64481585
James Ferraro (?), Grime, OPN, and ???
>>64483830
correct, last guy is Dean Blunt
>>64483853
Is he good?
>>64483767
>Trying to put anything above FIoraI Shawp for v wave or Macross and Bae for retro non v wave music
Banshee is a sham with horribIy Iazy music that hasn't had much done to it to make it unique, Chuck was riding the Ecco wave Iate and wasn't as good with it as the MANY others that went about it. He faiIed during the fad but just kept putting it out there harder than the others, who naturaIIy kept far ahead of him the entire time. He faiIed with the chance he had.
>>64483830
Dean Black.
>>64483881
sometimes
>>64483830
how new to music are you? i feel like dean blunt and hype williams were the most talked about artists for months whenever they release something. anywhere on the internet of music. hes impossible not to know.
>>64483881
Haven't listened to him much but overall he has some good stuff. Out of that list he's probably closest to Ferraro's newer stuff. Try his albums The Redeemer and Black Metal.
>>64483884
I dont speak meme, Im sorry
>>64483760
Vanilla lollipop tastes like vanilla even if conceptually it provides an answer to the self-negation of truth.
>>64483743
Ironic thugging as a coping mechanism for something is the whole point of it. He's not mocking it and you can almost infer a certain sadness when you contextualize the album.
Am I arguing with a bunch of retards? holy shit.
>>64483901
>CompIaining someone doesn't Iisten to heaviIy marketed - under ground - musicians
lt's the most basic and shitty method for getting a musician out there and brings about the WORST fans.
That being said the intro to 100 is pretty good but the Iyrics are fucking shit and sung reaIIy horribIy.
>>64483767
Wow, what an awful opinion. Eccojams is great though.
>>64483828
WTF is that name? You're giving people fake names? You're still a faggot, faggot.
>>64483958
Everything after eccojams is new age for hipsters.
plastic and soulless.
>>64483934
>Ironic thugging as a coping mechanism for something is the whole point of it. He's not mocking it and you can almost infer a certain sadness when you contextualize the album.
its ironic ironic thugging you retard. hes mocking meme rappers who pretend to satirize thug music yet use it as coping mechanism (yung lean, riff raff, lil b, meme rap in general). and hes taking it one step further.
>>64484019
The only thing he did after Eccojams even remotely close to new age is R Plus 7 and that's the second worst of his post-Rifts albums
Why not actually try listening to Replica, or maybe even Garden Of Delete?
>>64483884
floral shoppe is garbage im sorry.
>>64484019
what about before it?
>>64484058
That's why it's sad you fucking idiot. It's not mocking, it's exposing emptiness by taking it to another level.
>>64483929
>lm sorry
>>64484068
>lm sorry
>l think l'II just keep repIying to this post untiI someone remarks how witty l am
Nigga what are you doing
>>64484063
Replica is dull ambient plunderphonics, and garden of delete is his attempt at hipster stadium rock electronics.
Eccojams is way more creative and entrancing.
>>64484098
the writing of the anon was so terrible I didnt understand what he meant at first. I didnt even understand he meant the macintosh plus joint.
>>64483767
>below decent
Lol alright. What artists do you consider to be "above decent" then?
>>64484114
(You)
>>64484088
thats what im saying thats why its so powerful. hes showing the dangers of irony-- to make a career of mocking is to make a career based on what even you know is worthless. one becomes sucked into this emptiness void attempting to be something they are not. attempting to distatch themselves from things because they are real. building identity based on distatchment. but your only significance is in relationship to that thing you attempt to distance yourself from. its this incidious cycle and thats all life is in a late capitalist, post-postmodern society. its sad and embarassign but also genius and true.
>>64481585
I like all of them except dean blunt..That shit's garbage. .
>>64484114
Eccojams has multiple tracks that are literally just a short loop taken from a track with reverb put over it. I still think it's great, but it's certainly not his most creative (and in fact it's probably his least.)
Also for GoD I'd recommend looking into the conceptual background of what he was trying to do, it (especially the two music videos for Sticky Drama) helps a lot with getting the album.
>>64483934
>Ironic thugging as a coping mechanism for something is the whole point of it.
This syntax here is all over the place.
I think we've hit a nasty case of dipshit in denial with this anon.
You are the one who has inferred that this is a coping mechanism - what could easily be a matter of artistic direction - and now you expect anon to just get on board with this notion as if it's naturally the case.
You understand that satire doesn't necessitate mockery, right? It can simply be commentary. Which would stand to reason a sight more than your angst-addled position if you actually took into account the way he plays live shows.
Jog the fuck on, cunt.
>>64484081
Russian Mind is good imo. But irrelevant.
>>64484192
What's the second Sticky Drama music video?
>>64484114
GoD could be accused of being overly "insider" and thus lacking in creativity/wow factor, but Replica is such a spot on album that if you truly enjoy Lopatin's work I see no reason to dislike it other than not getting it. Remember deconstruction is more than sounding wacky.
>>64484165
Haxan Cloak, Prurient, Jaar, Jon Hopkins.
They have more consistent careers up until now.
OPN is more prolific but his bad projects are unforgivable.
>>64484171
>>64484196
>>64483934
you can tell its saturday night. these are the type of pseudo intellectuals that dont get invited to social gatherings.
>>64484233
It has a prologue
https://youtu.be/49EXKsu-jTs
https://youtu.be/td-e4i2BL_Q
>>64484276
>bad projects
such as?
>>64484171
So we agree, and I think babyfather is more candid about it, which is a positive.
>>64484234
It's definitely his best work after Eccojams, I'll give you that.
>>64484286
>You're aIso here
Nice one jackass.
>>64484286
Stop projecting brother.
>>64484286
Sunday morning. Had drinks with people last night.
And you're the typical self-regarding bore who never has anything of actual interest to say when the time comes but you just want to have your voice heard anyway.
Stay rekt faglet.
>>64484293
Channel Pressure, Transmat Memories, R plus seven, Young Beidnahga, Instrumental Tourist.
>>64484276
Those artists are good, too, but I really wouldn't put OPN below them. I guess you could call them more consistently good, but when OPN is good, he's very good indeed. I haven't listened to his really old stuff more than once or twice.
I feel like the criteria you're going by is something like "is this conceptually ground-breaking", rather than just assessing the music technically and compositionally. People don't have to invent new genres with every fucking album.
>>64484370
You seem like a cool guy.
>>64484362
Yeah he has a lot of stuff, part of experimenting is that you'll not always do the best you can as you reach new realms. Also, R+7 is very mature, which I enjoy and Channel Pressure is his most underrated album, certainly miles above this trite poptimistic shit we see all over now.
>>64484362
>Channel Pressure
pretty meh but I think it's largely that I'm not too into what they're going for with it
>Transmat Memories
pretty great
>R plus seven
overrated and arguably the least good of his post-Rifts albums but still very good
>Young Beidnahga
also pretty great
>Instrumental Tourist
underwhelming but still has a few good tracks, and a lot of the boring parts seem like they're the work of Hecker
that's pretty far from "unforgivable" anon
>>64483517
this
>>64483517
Lopatin > Ferraro >= Blunt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grimes desu
>>64484531
>>64484539
Grimes is good though.
>>64484584
not really and wrong posts
>>64484601
Her latest album is her least creative by far, but I still think she's objectively good.
>>64484531
>>64484539
I think he has a good potential to give us another masterpiece, but I cant say Im a huge fan of his stuff other than eccojams.
>>64484636
everything she's done has really been done before honestly
she's not necessarily bad, her stuff is just kinda boring and she doesn't really excel in any way
>>64484643
then all I can say is to try listening to Replica a bunch I guess, maybe it'll click as the masterpiece it is after that
>>64484643
Eccojams is without a doubt his most important work, but Replica carries a lot of weight even if just by name recognition.
>>64484713
ohh, dude I almost forgot about Returnal, that one is terrific.
>>64484801
I think some of his earlier stuff might be better, but it's certainly up there as far as his synthscape stuff goes.
It's laughable that Ferraro isn't discussed. All of these artists are shallow. Yes, including OPN.
The difference seems to be that Ferraro is fully aware of that and his stuff is actually funny and light. Sushi has great beats for instance, and there is a little more meat on the bones for me. I think they're all pretty cool other than Grimes, but Ferraro probably blew my mind the most with his ideas.
I know I'm playing it cool with all of them (besides Grimes which I don't give a fuck about) - they all blew my mind at one time or another. Seriously
>>64484985
His last three projects are so fun and fully aware that they are complete and utter trash!
look at that.
James ferraro gtfo, stop lurking /mu/ and start writing some decent tunes again.
>>64484276
take pitchfork's dick out of your mouth before posting, cretin
>>64485359
hilarious dude
you had your laugh, now off you go
>>64485465
>>64485465
your pre-entrylevel taste is hilarious, now leave the thread
btw, Ferraro = Blunt > OPN > Grimes
why the fuck is Grimes there anyway? not talking about quality, but her music has almost zero correlation with the other three, that are closely entwined
>>64485549
nice meme
also Grimes is there because some waifufag made that image to try and push the idea that she actually does anything half decent
>>64485549
Your contributes to the thread: ad hominem and stating something everybody already did. I know you're not smart because you couldn't hop on the train of topics being discussed so you went back to shit on some random pleb.
>>64485549
Im the OP you idiot. So leave my thread.
Also taking Ferraro seriously after his last three projects is objectively wrong. Just so you knew.
>that piece of corporate trash in the top right
LMAO NAH
>>64485610
>Your contributes
huh
>>64485601
>nice meme
?
>>64485610
fuck this thread, you guys are a bunch of zombies with your mouths attached to daniel's micropenis
I've made dozens of ferraro threads in the last 12 months alone, probably thousands of posts digging deep into his oeuvre
>>64485678
>he didn't like NYC and Skid Row
true mark of the pleb
>>64481585
Fixed
>>64485704
>writes, produces and performs all her music.
>even draws the album covers.
>corporate trash
You should try just a bit harder.
>>64485811
literally who
>>64485821
And you should stop letting your dick decide who to listen to.
>>64485785
>NYC and Skid Row
They are Adult contemporary and 80s Pop soul for hipsters.
Whats so good about them again?
>>64485851
Not him but I refuse to believe any of genuinely finds the human equivalent of Shrek's daughter attractive
>>64485851
Im a girl.
>>64485880
shrek's hot
>>64485895
thats not what your karyotype says
>>64485919
>shrek's hot
now that's a preference I can get behind
>>64485359
Its sad, because you are probably not a rude person in real life. But for some reason you decide to be agressive out of the blue. Why is that?
>>64485828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0pd9hYFN1c
James Ferraro has a keen sense for culture, almost on a subliminal level, it's miraculous he is able to put it into realization. Too bad he probably fried his brain doing drugs trying to come up with worlds for us. Also, skid row is awesome. It's not super lofi but it's got sloppy collage bits like his older records. As far as opn goes, I hope Daniel puts out a record that's not as busy as GOD.
>>64481585
where is laurel halo ?
>>64486734
in the kitchen
>>64486734
>laurel halo
literally who?
>>64485855
> Not liking "Nigga"
wait is dean blunt supposed to be good? i googled him and listened to 50 cent and it was terrible
>>64486926
yes, he is
>>64486734
she doesnt make conceptual music. its good, perhaps the strongest sonically, but her music doesnt operate in the same way as the artists in op
>>64486883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKOx1_WprCQ
>>64486530
well I guess that explains why his face is distorted. I wouldn't say he fits with the other three though, though he fits better than Grimes I guess
>>64487110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aU-3h4-8ow
>>64487110
he has nothing to do with the similarities of the other three. its not just critically acclaimed male electronic artists. it has to over arching concepts having to do with racial and socio political issues. and especially the rise of internet and what it means for culture, the individuals psyche, and humanity as a whole... tobacco is purely meant to be listened to for pleasure
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YFBs07W.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>>64487206
he uses te same scale and sounds on every song for all three of his projects kek
>>64484985
His early stuff is GOAT, boi
>>64481585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9V8VAmwOc
All those turds are complete shit compared to Holly Herndon.
>>64487334
She hasn't done anything particularly good yet though, just some heavily Lopatin influenced stuff
I think once she starts putting out more she'll eventually do something great though
>>64487334
This is probably a troll post, but Holly Herndon pisses me off to no end. Her work feels like a copy of OPN without any of the background that made his albums interesting. Maybe she'll release something good someday, I dunno.
![78b390b5063f4241c2c4083a0d3bf46b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tJd7qEL.jpg "78b390b5063f4241c2c4083a0d3bf46b[1].jpg")
>>64487334
>yeah i looooove electronic music
>grimes, james ferraro, OPN, the list could go on...
Ferraro is the most intriguing because by far he is the most impossible to really figure out. His identity remains completely invisible.
>>64487491
Tough though, because Macintosh Plus and a lot of other vaporwave is totally devoid of identity... for me, with Ferraro his whole career has been so varied and interesting that for me he's easily the most representative of this era of music
>>64487484
fuck "electronic music", i want high concept sound art
>>64487538
>missing the point completely
>>64487519
yep he definitely trend hops a ton. the whole hypnagogia and shitgaze shit like was trendy in 2008, then vaporwave/ post internet shit circa 2012, then meme rap 2013, the racial politics in 2015
>>64481585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9V8VAmwOc
>>64487574
you could say the same about lopatin and blunt as well. maybe their success comes from their ability to adjust to trends popular with young intellectuals. in some cases i tihnk they help shape and define movements and other times they hop on for the ride. but yeah i would say they followed trends or defined trends more than any other artists of the past 10 years
>>64485811
maybe if he stopped making the exact same song 100000000x times over
laurel halo belongs in the top right. she already runs in that circle of artists and by far the most underrated of the bunch
>>64487574
I don't know, I always saw Blunt and Ferraro, as well as MC Ride, as bucking the whole politically correct trend. I'm probably wrong, but something about their work always rubbed me in the way that they weren't just spouting the same nonsense that capitalism has trained social justice warriors to spout, the kind of thing you can print on a Starbucks cup
For me, I always personally thought they were just a little less prone to PC. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if at least Ferraro and Blunt are the kind of dudes who have read about IQ statistics and that sort of stuff, and actually accept it as reality
Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part though. Their music always seemed ironic to the point of just completely subverting racial lines to the point of exposing the entire concept of them as an outgrowth of simulacra. Like the whole SJW thing is really just capitalism in its full form. And when Ferraro made "Nigga" and Blunt released some of his raps, for me it came off as a sort of irony in that they weren't really just capitalizing on it, but rejecting the entire paradigm. I could be reading into it too much.
Even if I'm wrong, I always felt like they had a totally politically incorrect way of analyzing race that seemed extremely rebellious to me. In my view, the forward thinking of race is ultimately going to be a revolutionary rejection of the current notions of progress and an embracing of a completely new concept of multiculturalism. Some people find that offensive. I consider it to the be the true future.
>>64487726
i dont know. skid row, or at least street freaks, seemed to echo a lot of conventional race politics rhetoric. not saying i disagree with them, just saying that ferraro might not be the character you think in those regards
>>64487726
Not to mention that "ACCELERATIONISM" which is considered a huge influence on vaporwave, as described by that one blogspot post that made vaporwave really famous... as well as Tiny Mix Tapes...
...was invented by British philosopher Nick Land...
...who now is pretty much the absolute figurehead of the neoreactionary movement, which is essentially the most serious sort of serious critical intellectual philosophical movement going right now
I mean, all this stuff adds up. Land invented accelerationism which literally IS the sound of their music. Read Fanged Noumena. Even if I'm wrong, there is something really interesting about this interplay. I mean, even if guys like Ferraro didn't go on to read Land's "Dark Enlightenment" essay, there's just something profoundly interesting about this interplay between the boundaries his music pushes and the intellectual currents running through the work of a guy like Land
>>64487726
multiculturalism is doomed to fail. ethnies that are condescending - or supportive - towards religious extremisms will never be fully incorporated into western society. it's the one exception to the rule that will send the whole project down the drain
>>64485359
>'OPN is bad'
>"take pitchfork's dick out..."
dude
>>64481585
Tell me, op.
how's that social life
>>64488233
quality post
