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>General folder. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes Bach and Mozart subfolders
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>Debussy Folder: Recordings of Debussy's most important/famous works
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera folder: Construction in progress. Features recorded productions of various operas
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Renaissance Folder: Paired with a chart.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Calcium's Compilation folder: 20 albums from baroque up to modern. (folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
>CLT's history of the western canon: Comprehensive run-through of western classical music from the monks up to the present day. (Folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
>Crudblud stuff
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
>>64465136
>In the time that he (Bruckner) lived, women usually wore dresses with a lot of buttons. It was not possible for a woman to be in Bruckner's presence without her buttons being counted. It was a very well known fact that when a lady visited Bruckner that the dress was not to have many buttons.
There seem to be so many conflicting accounts about what exactly Bruckner did to Beethoven's skull. Interesting reading
>>64466238
I bet he fucked it.
>>64466238
Bruckner was fucking weird as hell. I thought he was just some naive peasant for the longest time but the more I read about him the more he seems to be a nutcase.
who did this
https://rateyourmusic.com/~pigfucker33
In October I'm seeing Richard Egarr conduct Beethovens Eroica and Mendelssohn's Italian Symphonies.
Is anyone familiar with Egarr? He's new to me.
>virgo prudentissima/fortuna desperata
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNg9wNvcjT4
Music for this feel?
>>64468373
One of the better late English Romantitrash composers, cello concerto is worth checking out.
Who are some of your favourite asian composers? I feel like i've been listening to too much European ones.
>>64469643
Leave.
>>64469749
Why are you upset
>>64469805
Because classical music is European. You seem to be treating Western art music as a fetishistic pursuit with your obvious ignorance.
Why haven't you listened to Mozart?
>>64471105
too mainstream
I need your best solo piano works or anything that revolves around piano a lot. Been listening to Debussy's piano stuff today.
>>64471849
fptmiu
>>64471950
Go for beethoven's sonatas, I've been listening to No. 15, 27 and 32 a lot. Or maybe Mozart's concertos.
I made a fake cover.
what are the approved performances of Wagner's Rienzi and Das Rheingold?
>>64473496
not that interested in Rienzi so i haven't heard enough versions to compare, but being the easiest part of the Ring cycle to perform, there are a decent chunk of successful Das Rheingolds.
if you want excellent stereo sound and the most updated edition of the Ring, then listen to Haenchen:
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4944468
fast tempi with the thrust that this drama needs and decent enough singing.
Janowski is also in very fine sound and he sports better singers.
>>64471105
but I have
>>64471950
Any of Chopin's preludes, nocturnes, or etudes are great listens. I've been recently into Nocturne Op. 27 No. 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8RVjm49hE)
>>64471950
Try Ravel.
>>64469643
This cello concerto by Hisatada Otaka is fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZf7T1w_pPg
Bright Sheng's Seven Tunes Heard In China is very interesting, though more of a demo piece for unusual cello technique. Third movement is beautiful, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn4UF5kJ4Y4
Nicanor Abelardo's instrumental music is nice and comfy, though his art songs were his main focus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_apjRQ0lH8I
Just warning you ahead of time, when looking for non-Western classical music, keep in mind the, uh, quality of non-Western orchestras (classical music is European, after all), especially in less modernized countries like the Philippines.
>>64467188
Wasn't he inordinately fond of children? Like Michael Jackson levels
>>64476072
just downloaded the complete piano recordings out of one of the mega folders
>>64475173
>>64475077
>>64473113
thanks guys i'll check them out
just now diving into the world of "classical"
How does arch form work?
>>64469157
Egarr not Elgar
>>64469643
Takemitsu is about the only one /classical/ really likes
>>64471105
Just back from performing in a performance of K339. It's not a very satisfying piece if you're a soloist who isn't the soprano, but I did enjoy the chance to listen to it. The Laudate Pueri is really quite incredible, definitely hear suggestions of what will be the kyrie in the Requiem mass
>>64473496
There's not all that much point in listening to Rienzi beyond a curiosity in hearing what early-early Wagner sounds like
>>64478003
And Akutagawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDq2zdNPDoE
>>64468373
He is a decent HIPster keyboardist. Not a Pinnock, Ross, or Gilbert. But good when you need him.
No idea about his conducting skills.
>Janáček
>Dvořák
>Smetana
Are there other good Czech composers besides these?
>>64479644
ayyyy
Bump
>>64479764
>Czech composers
erwin schulhoff
bohuslav martinu
pavel haas
Name a post-Bach fugue better than the Hammerklavier final.
Protip: You can't.
>>64481603
That's really hard. Missa Solemnis, Grosse fuge, and the Beethoven 9 fugues come close.
>>64481603
Not that it's better, but Hindemith's fugue at the end of his Piano Sonata no 3 is fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Sn-KzsV94
>>64481866
That's played way too slowly, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXI6H1YodNw
What's a good recording of Vivaldi's The Four Seasons? What about Holst's The Planets? Suggestions would be appreciated.
>>64482139
>Vivaldi's The Four Seasons
see >>64480754
>>64480778
>pavel
>>64477712
1st and last movements have similiar themes as well as the second and fifth, third stands complete alone
>>64482708
the best haas is georg friedrich but he's austrian :^)
>CLT's history of the western canon: Comprehensive run-through of western classical music from the monks up to the present day. (Folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
requesting...
>>64466238
He performed Hamlet in his room.
>>64481603
easy
Mozart's Fantasia and Fugue in C major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXATs66jJA
>>64469643
Sorabji is very good.
>>64473113
I know it's mainstream, but don't forget No. 14.
>>64482863
>liking a literal self-hating cuckold
>>64484640
Have you listened to No. 23 and 21 yet? If not go listen to them right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tadbTifZFs (the video lasts one hour because it's three different interpretations of the work, I think the first one is the best of the bunch so I wouldn't recommend listening to the other two)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbblMw6k1cU
>>64484676
we all have our demons, my friend. his music is some cool stuff
>>64480778
>martinu
Fuck off poly.
>>64469643
The Red Detachment of Women is good.
>>64469643
Akutagawa, Yoshimatsu, Takemitsu and Mayuzumi are all you really need.
>>64471950
Prokofiev's Piano Concerti, Scriabin's Sonatas, Tveitt's Concerto 4 and Concerto 3, Roslavets's Sonatas
Bartok's Concerti, Three Etudes, Out of Doors, 14 Bagatelles and 3 Burlesques are pretty good too.
>>64485889
poly's not patrician enough for schulhoff
martinu has some good pieces. like the cello sonata. I'm not a worshiper at his altar though, like poly
>>64487720
toshio hosokawa and isang yun, too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_mTjoM3Ig
just got done listening to a recording of Parsifal from Hengelbrock. was pretty interesting, probably one of the best modern Wagner recordings i've heard. hopefully it gets an official release someday.
friendly reminder that no 17 is the best mozart concerto and if you disagree you should hang yourself with barbed wire
>tfw the YouTube channel that uploads some of my favorite pieces of music gets taken down
Fuck this world. There is no justice.
>>64480754
>Vivaldi's meme opus
Into the trash
Why is the Staatskapelle Berlin so fucking good
No other orchestra compares
Wiener Philharmoniker is overrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5ata4jDyk
>>64490073
>not 25
>not 23
Pleb taste. 17 is fucking awesome, but those two are way better.
>>64492298
17 has the best 1st movt, and 19 has the best finale. This is not up to debate.
>>64469643
Hosokawa is based. I like some chin and takemitsu too. There's also a guy called Tazul Tajuddin whose music is insane, he's malaysian if that counts. Kind of like a malaysian ferneyhough.
>>64479764
Kabeláč, Fibich, Novák, Dussek, Tomášek and smetana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbWIWtghtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvopBDj4I9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kxcD0mU9jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItaiZ8NUx8E
And Martinů like the other anon said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BLJxJG1kQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofciLQT2EmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrHLcmmRJI
>>64481603
I'm sure among Reicha, Reger, Shostakovich and Shchedrin fugues you will find one. I never though beethoven wrote fugue all that well. too overblown and forced. Not lyrical enough, too many scale runs and mindless sequences
SMASH THAT MF
SHOSTAKOVICH SYMPHONY 3 MAY DAY
BUTTON
>>64492649
Wat
>>64492747
Today is May Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F31YwZZGlW4
Posted on /gg/ but might as well try my luck here
I've been asked to play some music at graduation ceremony of some sort
I've been thinking about Bach's cello suite no1 prelude, but I'd like to have some recommendations
Just some requirements
>3-4 minutes
>happy but not stupid
>classical or fingerstyle
>has to work with acoustic guitar
>can also have piano and/or bass
>people have to be able to walk to it
>>64492761
Bach seems like a safe bet. Everyone and their mother knows the first prelude as well.
>>64492798
I guess I'm playing in the background when people walk in or fetch their diplomas
If the piece isn't long enough I'd have to repeat some parts which could be hard with Bach
>>64492761
Bach Cello Suite 1 prelude sounds like a good and easy one to do.
>>64492462
That is up for debate, I argue that 23 has a better first movement than the 17. I haven't heard the 19 yet, so I can't comment.
>>64492832
4'33
>>64493085
>tfw it will never receive the perfect performance
>>64493085
I would but it's a tad too long
>>64493127
I can't tell any source for this one but my dad works at John's Cage, he said it's on 438Hz
Is there a good list of superbly emotional performers who do NOT sway and grimace while playing? Is that style of display be more related to extroversion or autism?
>>64479764
Tomášek is cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6c6mDut4m0
>>64482139
Fabio Biondi and Europa Galante recorded whole opus 8 ("Il cimento") and that's my favourite, but it may sound quite unusual. It's based on Vivaldi's original manuscripts, extremely HIP and the performances are extremely lively and virtuosic. Ithzak Perlman has a decent and tamer CD, maybe that one would be a better starting place. Scherchen/Olevsky that was posted ITT is, imo, meh. Haven't listened to it completely but the movements I have bored me.
>>64492538
fuck off poly
>>64479764
Zelenka
Biber
Wanhal
Dusek
>>64481603
Hammerklavier is an amusical atrocity.
>>64498051
Explain why.
>>64483898
That fugue is so great, in terms of motivic density/saturation it goes beyond any of Beethoven's fugues.
>>64481648
>That's really hard. Missa Solemnis, Grosse fuge, and the Beethoven 9 fugues come close.
Op. 110/III and the penultimate variation from the Diabellis are better than any of those, including the Hammerklavier finale
>>64498051
>Hammerklavier is an amusical atrocity.
(Not true, by the way)
>>64482257
>>64496886
Thanks for the Vivaldi recommendations, folks. Anyone know a good recording of The Planets?
>>64490327
please tell me olla-vogalla is still there. who was taken down?
>>64499590
Steinberg
>>64500015
Thank you.
>>64500015
Criminally under recorded conductor desu
>>64500774
he could be kind of boring in the studio sometimes. he has some studio recordings of Brahms for example but they are pretty dull compared to his live ones.
there are probably tons of live Steinberg recordings lying around in various archives, it's just a matter of people actually issuing them.
Want to get into some of mozarts piano sonatas. Can anyone rec good recordings?
>>64499716
Anthony Lowery
Give me your best trio sonatas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4sYC2zsP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI3MNmbLkFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjI95CyBblg
What's your favorite recording of Mahler's 2nd?
>>64501990
>>64469087
Chopin's nocturnes.
>>64469087
Forqueray's viol suites
>>64484954
I've listened to the complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas and Concertos by Brendel, but many of them only once. I'll go back to those, thanks.
>>64508982
Oops, I mistyped that. I just meant Sonatas, not Concertos.
What is the name of the famous composition that have a constant drum throughout.
In return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajQYANLiug
>>64509929
bolero
Post GOAT Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phtf6d2CsCI&list=PL5FDE1922863C1830
>>64510456
Redpill me on Mozart. Why is he so overrated?
>>64510473
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
>>64510473
fptmiu
"Renaissance Folder: Paired with a chart."
what's the chart look like?
>>64510456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXQpoI__Qc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD8sTXtO_Gc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP9WzMLaNo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxbbYPbUKS4
>>64510523
>Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
Further proof that Mozart is overrated
>>64510735
purther froop
>>64507068
That's really interesting, I need to check it out
I only really like Scherchen's but even that feels a little inconsistent
>>64510865
Never change /classical/
>>64510576
>>64512305
well they are two completely different approaches. Scherchen is much more measured
>>64511431
>Start with Belgians
>not "start with the Franco-Flemish school"
Best Mahler 6?
>>64512706
tennstedt
What is the best Partita for Violin No. 2?
>>64513026
>memestedt
>>64513037
kondrashin then
>>64512706
memetropoulos
What composition has the best french horn solo?
>>64513364
strauss - till eulenspiegel
>>64513435
>moderism
Get out.
>>64513508
>being such a pussy you can't handle the dissonances of richard strauss
it's 2016, pleb
>>64513364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUES5PA0ALg
There's a list here of some more pieces you could try
http://hornmatters.com/2009/09/the-top-ten-orchestral-works-for-horn/
>>64513508
>moderism
go back to school kiddo. Strauss isn't even modernism if you could spell it right.
>>64513035
Westhoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YHxa52qBfE
>>64510916
Thanks for the ant sized image.
>>64514048
Thanks for being a little bitch
>>64514804
You're welcome, fren.
>>64492649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtCocZuwTmc
YEAH
Is Boult any good
How old does something have to be to be considered "classical"?
>>64517656
It's not about age. It's about style and intent. Stuff like Reich, Adams and Weill is covered under classical.
>>64517656
classical period: 1750 - ~1820
"classical" as a cover all for "art music" age doesn't matter, merely that it was written by a trained composer, stored primarily in a written score, and intended to be performed by live musicians (that aren't the composer) in a concert hall setting.
pic is a rough break down of periods, not too accurate once the 20th century comes around.
>>64517688
>>64517747
So does this count as classic?
>>64465136
So I get how to get into classical music. You just listen right? That's what everyone says. But there seems to be a 'classical culture'. All about the technicality of the music, the history of the composers, relevance for the time period, social impact(?) etc. How do I get into all of that? Where do I find information on the 'culture' of classical I guess? It doesn't seem fulfilling enough to just listen to a piece and think 'that was pretty c:'
>>64517776
No you fucking retard
>>64517776
I've never heard it. Is it stylistically jazz? Then it would be considered jazz.
>>64517776
classic, yes, classical no.
Wonder isn't a trained composer, nor does the album exist primarily in a written score, nor is it intended to be played by live musicians from a score in a concert hall setting.
It also features a soul/band instrumentation, and while instrumentation is less important in determining what is and isn't classical, most composers dont write for bands (although I would love to see a Ferneyhough piece for death metal band and extended vocal techniques)
>>64517884
What about in 50 years?
Then maybe?
It's really good and deserves to be classical
>>64517864
context can be important but it's not like it is necessary. you don't need to know all the background information behind the music for it to be interesting.
>>64517864
go to university. take a music history paper. That or watch some documentaries on how music evolved from planchant to 20th century music.
The following documentaries might help
Sacred Music BBC (covers medieval planchant to renaissance polyphony)
Documentaries about any common practice period composers you can find. Beethoven, Bach, Mozart etc.
Finding Mozart is a pretty good one.
Leaving Home (Simon Rattle) - Covers the evolution of 20th century music, from late romantic to total fuckery
>>64517922
>It's really good and deserves to be classical
I didn't realize retards like this existed
>>64517922
It will always be a classic funk/soul album, but it will never be classical, ever. no matter how much time passes.
Classical is music written for orchestras and orchestral instruments by people who understand each instrument in depth, and all the techniques used to write for them over the years. Stevie Wonder is a popular musician. pop music is never considered "art music"
You wouldn't say that peasant dances from the middle ages were classical music, even though they're 400+ years old. They're still simple peasant dances. Same with modern popular music.
>>64517922
>It's really good
It doesn't work that way. Pic related is from 1988 and is classical. Just being good doesn't make something classical. This link is about right at the crossroads between classical and pop music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLk5poKBehc
>>64517979
Is it because he's black?
I know it's not because he's blind, because mozart was deaf and people still say his music was classical.
>>64518072
you're a funny guy
>>64518072
Okay. Now you're just trolling.
>>64517864
Read Rosen, listen to Mozart.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S64393648
Can someone upload this? Can't find it anywhere
Turandot is less bad than I remember it being. I might even like it if it wasn't for the cheeseball ending.
>>64519240
Try La Fanciulla Del West, it's similar to turandot musically but I feel like it has better thematic development. Also it was one of puccinis favorites
>>64519418
Might as well. I'll give it a shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLmcTwTEgt4
How accurate is this?
>>64512426
It is a meme on /lit/'s advice to 'Start with the Greeks'
>>64517884
SHOO POLY
>>64519240
Berio completion my man
>>64520381
I'm aware of that. It should still be "franco-flemish" instead of Belgians.
>>64520227
I don't know, but that was hilarious
That fucking coda lol
meme
>>64508982
listen to the backhaus interpretations
>>64492462
Piano concerto 20 has the best intro, IMO best 1st movement of any piano concerto.
>>64469983
I can literally hear the vape coming from ur comment
VA
>>64498063
>>64498180
Gargling mud from start to finish, save for the initial motif, which is only there to prevent the piece from being 100% gargling mud.
>well that was like 3 whole minutes of black on black rubbish with no melody, no texture, no timbre, no phrasing, literally Nothing: The Composition; time to BANGBANG-BANGBANG-BANGBANGBANGBANG again to lull cretins into believing they're listening to SOMETHING and to make academics invent hilariously contrived theories as to why I'm going up and down my own shaft for nothing
>repeat for 40 minutes
>literally diggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggytinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinklebinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkygarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegargleBANGBANG-BANGBANG-BANGBANGBANGBANGdiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggytinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinkletinklebinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggybinggyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkyplinkygarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegarglegargle
>>64524187
Are you literally tone deaf?
What are your guys' favorite 19th-early 20th century German pieces?
>>64525168
Contemporarycuck please leave
>>64524910
If I were to take a random excerpt from Hammklavier from anywhere but the initial motif, how long would it have to be for you or anyone else to reasonably guess what movement it's from?
>>64525432
I need it for a project on post-Napoleonic Germany up to the German revolution following WW1 my man.
>>64525573
Why don't you do your own homework?
>>64525512
Pretty easily probably
>if fugal = 4th movement
>if slow = 3rd movement
>if triple meter = 2nd movement
Not taking into account the sections that defy these blanket rules obviously.
>>64525881
How long?
>>64525975
Depends on how obscure the excerpt is, like every excerpt.
>>64526278
>:^)
>>64526496
Your initial post could be summed up with ":^)"
Keyboard mashing is not an argument and makes you look like a retard.
>>64526601
You don't understand. He has always been retarded. It's your own fault for engaging him at this point.
>>64526601
How is keyboard mashing not an argument?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqy4-vCo0M
>saying this song is shit because it's literally about eating shit is not an argument
>/mu/ - two-thousand-and-sixteen
>>64526876
Calling that song shit is using intelligible words. Now if you said that song is L I T E R A L L Y POOTTYGHHHHPBBBTTTGGHBBTTT because you want to emulate the sounds of eating shit then you cross the line from making a mature argument to retarded shitposting.
>>64526981
But Beethoven's sheer vulgarity is impossible to convey using human language. No amount of literary wit can encapsulate the raw squalor of this pestilential hillbilly. Even trying to do so would be paying him too much credit.
>>64527120
Nice musicology satire, made me chuckle.
>>64527188
>MAKE A REAL ARGUMENT
>*makes a real argument*
>nice satire memes friend!
For real, I think even real rednecks would cringe at the lyrics in his 9th, among other things.
>>64527267
To be fair, abusing the thesaurus borders on satire.
And yeah, the 4th movement of the 9th isn't his best.
mem
>tfw never know what to listen to for that summer mood
>tfw this is the only decent general on /mu/ and its the deadest one
>>64529619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dauL0Uu7G3A
Where should I start with Bach?
>>64531381
goldberg variations, cello suites, brandenburg concertos, well tempered clavier, violin partitas, harpsichord concertos, violin concertos
>>64531693
Thanks a lot
>>64529906
We're more alive than /jazz/
Who are the esstentials beyond Bach, Mozart and Beethoven? Please help!
>>64529906
>tfw half the posts in /classical/ are tfw complaints about how dead it is
>mfw
>>64533055
the other half is people talking about wagner recordings
>>64533027
>listening to anyone other than Bach
you don't get it I'm afraid. You're supposed to listen to Bach and rate Mozart above everyone, but not listen to him
>>64525168
>
EIN HELDENLEBEN
>>64533121
fuhrthner prkoof
>>64533027
brahms and wagner.
>>64533244
>not even spelling it correctly therefore allowing for the possibility that someone might not get the message you're trying to portray
yet more evidence
>>64533027
I consider the second tier of composers below those to be Tchaikovsky, Vivaldi, Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Schubert, Wagner. One's I've not explored properly yet likely on the same level are Haydn, Brahm's, Handel etc
As a lineage thing, my list goes like this.
1. Bach
2. Mozart
3. Beethoven
4. Tchaikovsky
5. Vivaldi/Chopin/Schubert
8. Wagner/Handel
10. Rachmaninoff/Liszt
1. J.S. Bach
2. W.A. Mozart
3. J. Brahms
4. R. Wagner
5. M. Ravel
6. B. Bartók
7. S. Prokofiev
8. J. Sibelius
9. F. Schubert
10. G. Puccini
this official btw.
>>64533420
Why didn't you include Brahms? I'm curious.
>>64533562
is there anybody on this board that doesn't consider Bach the best ever?
Is it actually safe to say Bach is factually and objectively the best ever, do you guys think he's that much better that the only reason you'd rate him below 1st is because you haven't listened to enough music yet?
>>64533562
fuck me, i forgot haydn. haydn in puccini out i guess.
>>64533639
Haven't listened to him yet. I've been into classical for about 5 years and still have only managed to stick to largely Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Rach and Liszt. I will eventually listen to him though. Might as well recommend your favourites from him while we're at it.
>>64533730
symphonies nos. 2 & 3
piano quartet no.3
piano pieces op.118
ein deutsches requiem (ihr habt nun traurigkeit especially)
nanie op.82
string sextet no.1
>>64533420
Further proof that Liszt is underrated
>>64533730
Well, I'm not too well versed on him either, but I did pic related for february, which gave me a basic idea, but I would have to do the chart again to actually hear the music.
Personal favorites:
Piano concerto 2
Violin concerto
All four Symphonies
The late piano works
The requiem
String quintet
>>64533820
Liszt actually IS underrated
>>64533820
so little substance. other than liebestraum no.3 i really can't think of anything by liszt that comes even close to being a masterpiece. sorry!
>>64533855
>>64533730
I meant the Piano Quintet in F minor, whoops.
>>64533873
Try his Sonata.
all chamber music by brahms is essential. simple as that.
>>64533873
what about the Hungarian rhapsodys, they're literally groundbreakingly romantic
he is one of the most unique composers out there desu, all his music sounds very unique to him
>>64533675
Bach is objectively the best ever, yes.
>>64533988
>all his music sounds very unique to him
i'm sure it did. it's not for me though.
Favorite Mahler 5?
>>64534037
you haven't even lisztened to the Hungarian rhapsodies
>opinion on liszt is automatically irrelevant
>>64534006
Why?
>>64534102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLqgsg5YXc
because he could compose a dozen of these basically.
>>64534100
of course i heard some of his rhapsodies. it's hard not to. i simply don't care for them and i don't think he is underrated.
>>64534202
That's so cheesy
>>64534102
Because quite simply his music has by far the largest musical universe. The constructs of music he made are more complex, intricate, sacred, romantic, educational and influential than anyone else. To look at compositions such as the English and French suites or the art of fugue, they're so structurally sound and clever while at the same time being absolutely incredible to listen to. The masterful use of modulation after modulation, fuller use of modes than anyone while still managing to stay mostly tonal. The gigantic structures such as the musical offering which explore the hidden depths of musical possibility much further than anyone ever has. His vision is also incredible, who would say that the supposedly revolutionary grand opening of Beethoven's 5th was not proceeded by the equally grand opening of toccata in D minor, that the Brandenburg concertos don't mirror the supposed advance towards classical harmony before it happened.
The easiest way to make the case for saying he's the best however would be to just say that listening to him, you get a feel that he is more in control and comfortable writing music, whatever it may be, than anyone ever has been. He just seems to know a 4th dimension to it all.
>>64534350
Well put, I agree.
can somebody post some maj7 chord bach moments? he uses them very well imo
>>64527267
>>64527306
>le contrarian 'the 9th symphony isn't the greatest piece of music ever written' meme
Ebin
>>64534779
I mean the 9th is pretty damn good, but I would hesitate to call it "the greatest piece of music ever written".
>>64534202
>haha holy shit I just outlined the tonic chord bruh!
>DUDE MELISMA LMAO SO BOOTIFUL
>muh counterpoint, self emergent fractal genius xD
>V I V I V I FUCK YEAH THIS IS REAL MUSIC IV I OH SHIT WHAT A TWIST
>>64534844
take it easy mate.
>>64534863
When plebs have shit opinions, and rank anyone above Mozart, let alone Bachtist, it's hard to 'take it easy.'
>>64534900
How can you say you're better than others when you sperg out like that?
>>64534639
I think they are easy to notice in his preludes, try the Well Tempered Clavier. Googling "Bach maj7" I found a neat little harmonic analysis for his lute prelude in c minor BWV 999
http://www.standingstones.com/bachharm.html
https://vimeo.com/107979615
>>64534900
i actually prefer mozart over bach myself. shouldn't even get into these 'best of all time' discussions.
>>64492649
I prefer his 5th and 10 symphony's, 9 is good too. The 2nd movement of shostakovich 10 is ridiculously angry
>>64534779
It wasn't better than the 5th, and it isn't better than Close to the Edge by Yes (or Hindemith's symphony n b flat either) so yeah, not the best.
>>64533420
Rachmaninoff doesn't deserve to be on the top 50
>>64533675
because for a musician Bach represents what the Bible represents for a man of faith.
>>64535447
agreed 100%.
>>64522638
Will do, thanks.
>>64534844
>fucking criticising bach of all people for being too harmonically conservative
musically illiterate confirmed
>>64534844
The idea of major minor tonality was first expressed in the 1680s, the same decade Bach was born, calm down retard
>>64535408
Fu*kin ebin!
>>64535798
Mozart is far superior to Bach in every respect.
>>64535408
>and it isn't better than Close to the Edge by Yes
are you 17 or something?
