/classical/
Images are sometimes not shown due to bandwidth/network limitations. Refreshing the page usually helps.
You are currently reading a thread in /mu/ - Music
You are currently reading a thread in /mu/ - Music
BBC edition.
Post your favorite BBC legends recording and meme about the Brits.
Getting these out of the way:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
https://mega.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
Why have I not seen The Unanswered Question discussed more often? It's one of the best music-related lectures I've ever heard. It's actually making me start to appreciate the serialism meme a little more by its analysis.
Sad to see lack of interest in classical recently.
>>64355146
I'm interested. We've gotten some good discussion but we haven't got a lot of tripfags.
>>64353706
wish there was more of Britten conducting works by other composers. i think he was a pretty interesting conductor.
Who /biber/ here
Is it weird that I actually prefer the sound of old ass recordings from the 40's & 30's to modern day ones?
>>64355749
Yes m8
>>64355749
me!
>>64355881
yes
>>64355881
They do kind of have a warmth about them I guess.
>>64355881
it's recording to analog
>>64355881
Meme recording or no recording.
>>64355749
still my heinrich bb :^)
Bump
meme it up
>>64358694
ded memes
ded /classical/
>>64358865
What keeps /Classical/ alive?
-dank memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwxM9vjX4K4
>>64355881
They always have this weird quality that's like a gentle universal vibrato.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXI6H1YodNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yvy9lS5DC4
It's oddly charming.
>>64355881
Modern recordings sound lonely without that subtle background noise/hiss. Seems like there isn't an air around the instruments without it.
>>64355255
His Schumann is top tier
What are some essential Zelenka pieces?
>>64361562
Basically sacred choral he wrote. This means all his masses, especially from ZWV16 onwards. His Responsories for Holy Week and Offices for the Dead are some of the finest sustained stile antico writings you'd find outside Scarlatti's Stabat Mater. Of the Litanies, the one for All Saints and the ones for the Blessed Virgin are quite good. Then you have like the solo motets, requiems, oratorios etc, in addition to the chamber and orchestral music that you can go over at your leisure, but his late Masses are definitely his greatest achievements.
>>64361748
Thanks. And do you have any performances in particular that you would like to recommend?
>>64362019
It's not like you get a choice in these matters, since the Zelenka revival came really late, you only have one or two recordings of his more famous works, and none at all for the lesser motets. I do prefer Lumen Valo's recording of the Responsories for Holy week over Collegium 1704's, since the former uses a capella vocals with organ which gives a much greater immediacy than the generous orchestral doubling which is done by the Collegium.
>>64355255
I've been meaning to listen to this, just haven't found the time recently
Recommend me a Renaissance mass to inspire me before I write this essay on Paradiso.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCxO9lPMUs
The best rendition of Chopin's waltzes.
>>64363204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVdCbjDEGfo
""""Josquin""""'s Da Pacem Mass
I'm going to post only on /classical/ from now on. The level dropped so low in the rest of the board, that it's pointless trying to discuss with anyone. Here is the only place with people that have real affection for music. So it seems.
So...I was listening to Stockhausen for the first time. I've known about him for years, but only today i finally listened to one of his works. Tierkreis was the piece. Obviously i'm going to listen to it more times in the near future, in order to fully absorb the music. But i fairly enjoyed it in the 1st time listening. What are other of his works you would recommend me? Or i should pick myself?
>>64364412
Listen to Mozart
>>64364412
Gruppen is pretty good.
>>64364412
I only drop in to /classical/ threads (and /scaruffi/ threads) as well. To be honest they're only slightly better than the rest of the toilet bowl quality threads on /mu/ (that is until tripfags show up, but luckily they can be filtered). For a serious musical discussion, your best bet is to look outside of 4chan.
As for Stockhausen, I would say Gesang der Jünglinge is essential.
An Anon recommended Kubelik's Mahler 8 yesterday.
If they're still around, or if anyone else wants to answer which version of Mahler's 8 is better: Kubelik's Studio or Live performance?
>>64366164
Live
>>64355881
The fuzzy sound has its charm desu
>countertenor altos
>>64368775
What would you suggest instead? Newly-pubescent boys?
Discovered Felicien David by accident when listening to a disc I thought was by Szymanowski. Le Desert isn't all that bad
>>64368858
The falsettist singing Alto (note I say Alto, not soprano) is a very elusive beast that only surfaces in history during very specific times and occasions. Outside of those there is absolutely no need to shoehorn them into the texture and destroy the carefully set-up balance of vocal texture by the early composers, especially the range issue for all renaissance music which seem to demand a falsettist alto at first glance can be resolved by applying the principles of clef transposition.
>>64368858
>>64368928
The answer is simple: for most repertories a high tenor would do, whose range usually need not extend beyond g' (or a' on exceptional occasions), which is well within the range of a high male voice.
>>>/a/140712328
>/a/ is laughing at us again
>>64369152
Tbh just seems like people falling for that bait image as per usual
>>64369152
>making fun of us
They're not though, they're making fun of Ame's b8 image which has achieved its objective
>>64353706
>BBC edition.
hahahahhaahhaa benis :DD
mem
What are some other great performances of Schubert's symphonies, except pic related?
>>64371474
>doesnt even say who conducted it
Nice cover
>>64372246
Herbert Blomstedt, Staatskapelle Dresden
Tonight, my college orchestra is ruining this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQLD_rPWXsE
How can I salvage at least the 5th movement?
>>64372696
vuvuzela
>>64353706
dis one
>>64362549
it's pretty interesting. it has a sort of nervous energy about it that i've yet to hear in any other performance. it takes some sections devilishly fast. there is heavy rubato all over the place, almost in a Mengelberg-esque fashion though without the concentration that Mengelberg provides.
pretty interesting performance all around. would have really liked to see his way with other composers.
>>64375203
speaking of fast, Britten is actually pretty speedy in some Mozart. he takes the Requiem faster than some HIPsters do.
>>64368928
Explain the difference historically between a falsettist singing alto versus soprano. And why do you think that a countertenor destroys the balance of vocal textures in early composers? I would hardly call all of early sacred music a very specific time or occasion, so surely I must be missing something.
>>64375278
his st john passion is spot on though.
>>64375564
haven't heard it myself but i'll probably give it a shot.
didn't mean the "pretty speedy" as an insult though, i actually like how fast Britten can be.
>>64375635
for me it depends, but yeah, i problably wouldn't like listening to a faster requiem by Mozard.
>>64364412
Aus den Sieben Tagen. It's my favorite work of all time.
>>64371148
>person uploads obscure recording to youtube
>posts no info about whose performing or conducting
what's the best way to get into understanding the broad spectrum possibilities of counterpoint?
I get the feeling that there's an underlying complexity that I'm not seeing yet, but I'm not a stranger to it either.
>>64378778
>Opera or ballet recording
>only has the music and there are no videos of the performance/ dancing or there are only videos of the music itself
>>64379653
Tfw one of your favorite operas will never get a good production and filmed for DVD
Top 10 Symphonies:
1. Beethoven 9
2. Mozart 41
3. Mahler 9
4. Brahms 4
5. Beethoven 7
6. Mozart 40
7. Mahler Das Lied von der Erde
8. Haydn 104
9. Schubert 5
10. Beethoven 6
>>64381065
Personal list time?
1. Bruckner 8
2. Beethoven 3
3. Mahler 9
4. Mozart 40
5. Brahms 3
6. Haydn 94
7. Sibelius 4
8. Mozart 38
9. Beethoven 8
10. Mahler 2
Overall I probably listen to chamber music more than I do symphonies, though.
1. Ludwig Van Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 in D minor "Choral"
2. Franz Schubert: Symphony No. 9 in C major "The Great"
3. Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 9 in D major
4. Dmitri Shostakovich: Symphony No. 15 in A major
5. Ludwig Van Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 in C minor
6. Johannes Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E minor
7. Antonin Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 in E minor "From The New World"
8. Hector Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
9. Ludwig Van Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F major
10. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Symphony No. 41 in C major "Jupiter"
>>64381431
>4. Dmitri Shostakovich: Symphony No. 15 in A major
>>64381065
No real order.
Beethoven 3
Mozart 39
Bruckner 8
Mahler 4
Brahms 4
Haydn 88
Beethoven 8
Mozart 41
Prokofiev 5
Sibelius 4
Hello, I'm a casual classical listener. I'm extend of my knowledge is the likes of Chopin, Satie, etc.
I was wondering if you guys had a chart/graph and/or a download link for someone looking to get into classical music. I've found it very hard to get download links as classical music is organized in a different way from modern forms and I don't know anything about variations/compilations.
>>64381458
>No real order.
Same goes for me, I guess. It's hard to distinguish how strongly you feel across a top 10.
>>64381523
There are some lists like pic related flying around, but general consensus on whether or not these lists actually have the best "entree level" material is kind of debatable. I think it's better if you kind of go out on your own and look for stuff, as that's how I did it, but you could probably use pic related to get a general idea for what you might be into.
>>64381523
If you want something entry level try pic related, The Rite of Spring, Beethoven's 9th Symphony and the 1812 Overture.
Does anyone have mega links besides the ones in the op?
>>64382367
LolNoYouDon’t
http://www.mediafire.com/lolnoyoudont
Taxes
http://www.mediafire.com/taxes
Plastic Lobster
https://www.mediafire.com/?5ptnqp421r76t
>Another General Folder
mega:///#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
Here some stuff that's been posted over the past few months.
>>64383251
Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXAbe6yh5zM
>>64381065
Schubert 9
Beethoven 8
Mozart 41
Shostakovich 14
Szymanowski 3
Dvorak 7
Mahler 4
Vaughan Williams 1
Mendelssohn 5
Penderecki 7
Honourable mentions: Bruckner 7, Sibelius 1, Beethoven 3
>>64375408
>the difference historically between a falsettist singing alto versus soprano.
The difference is that of range. The natural male voice extends about 15 notes from F to f', and if you were to look for compositions calling for "voce mutate" or men's voices, they invariable fall inside that range. This range is precisely the one spanned by the lower three voices and remain essentially unchanged throughout the late 15th century until the end of the 16th century, and possibly even further beyond.
>And why do you think that a countertenor destroys the balance of vocal textures in early composers?
Because all the voice ranges are linked to each other and by using a countertenor alto you push everyone's parts higher. There's absolutely no need to shoehorn in a falsettist singing a part that can be perfectly handled by a high male voice. In most cases it means you neglected clef transposition, which means that most of your singers are going to be straining at the top of their voice when very early theorist stressed the importance of keeping a voice in the mid-low register so it produces the best kind of sound. Here's what Parrot has to say:
>Difficult though this is to put into words, such inadvertent interference with the carefully calibrated sonorities and textures evolved by composers who were themselves singers and whose knowledge and understanding of the choral medium has rarely been matched is hardly likely to lead to an improvement on their original intentions.
>>64375408
>>64386033
>I would hardly call all of early sacred music a very specific time or occasion
You don't seem to be aware of the extent of the countertenor myth. To put it bluntly, there is no historical evidence for the use of countertenors singing alto outside of:
>in Burgundy in and after the time of Guillaume Dufay (but not earlier), in Renaissance (and probably Baroque) Iberia, in late 16th-, early 17th- and again mid-19th-century Italy (probably singing parts named ‘soprano’ or something similar), to some extent in Purcell’s England (and rather more from the 18th century onwards), perhaps in the Germany of Bach’s day (again singing parts designated ‘soprano’) and in America from the mid/late 19th century until today.
Note how none of them refer to falsettist altist. The use of countertenors anywhere outside these extremely local contexts is neither 'authentic' nor 'historically informed.
>>64386070
So ideally:
Bass - sung by bass
Tenor - sung by tenor
Alto - sung by high tenor
soprano - sung by treble
Making any transpositions necessary to ensure that the alto line very rarely goes to anything higher than about a G? Would you say there are similar 'cut-off' notes in the other parts?
>>64386192
The top part can be taken either by countertenors or boys, both of which are historically documented, though with the current quality of boy sopranos the former is clearly preferable. Male falsettist can easily handle the top part since, English music aside, most of the music rarely require a d''.
>Making any transpositions necessary to ensure that the alto line very rarely goes to anything higher than about a G?
You don't need to do that, there's already an established system of transposition in place which was well documented from the late 16th century all the way into the late 18th century. Basically the clef combination treble-C2-alto-F3 calls for transposition into the lower fifth (or lower fourth if there is one flat sign present). The composers took great care in keeping the ranges under control, and if you follow this simple principle then the voice ranges for each of the voice types throughout all genres spanning the entirety of the renaissance remains essentially fixed, it's really miraculous in a way.
>>64386346
Do you direct any early music ensembles or is your interest a purely academic one?
>>64386415
These are all pretty well established principles. There was this pretty big exchange between Parrot and Bowers in the 1980s on Early Music, and Parrot was able to cite all these sources to defend his theory of downward transposition by 4ths. I don't think there's any controversy surrounding the issue now, it's just a pity that many ensembles still choose to sing the music at face value while being unaware of these fundamental assumptions. I don't have my ensemble, but it's pretty easy to tell the difference between say, Odhecaton's performance of Palestrina's Papae Marcelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OaI_17szzA
and the typical performance where it is sung by a mix choir at notated pitch.
>>64373707
Sad he never recorded Brahms 1 or 3 in stereo.
He has a top tier Brahms 2
Recital today lads
>>64364412
Kontakte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
Trumpetent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hhe2aWKxXU
Gruppen like the other anon suggested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqvlrphkGAU
In Freundschaft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7LvFlK54zs
Stimmung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9G0asmZ_k
>>64381065
1 Martinů 1
2 Schnittke 2
3 Auerbach 1 "Chimera"
4 Anthony Ritchie 3
5 Martinů 4
6 Shostakovich 7
7 Brahms 3
8 Franck D minor
9 Rautavaara 1
10 Mahler 5
I like composers early symphonies it seems
>>64387721
Solo?
am i really a faggot if i just cant stop listening to der ring des nibelungen
>>64388032
Well with accompanist, but yeah.
Going to be sort of nice to get it out the way so I can focus on different music
>>64388297
What are you performing?
