>be me
>be at party
>topic of music comes up
>guy says "I only really like music that gets across emotions"
>everyone agrees
>cute girl says "yeah, there's this one song by Ed Sheeran that's about a breakup, and it's so much better to listen to because it means something to him"
>everyone agrees
>want to point out that Ed Sheeran is completely constrained by musical norms so cannot possibly express any actual human emotion.
>want to point to music like Animal Collective, which constantly subverts and challenges musical "rules", thus actually expressing raw human emotion on a much deeper level
>can't say any of this because it's not socially acceptable
Seriously though /mu/ what the fuck is this? Why is society set up in such a way that people can't benefit from my musical knowledge? It's so fucked up.
>>64259276
A person can write a traditional pop song that has a ton of emotional resonance.
Look at "I Would Die 4 U" or "Hey Ya"
>>64259276
animal collective is shit
I honestly like Ed Sheeran
>music like Animal Collective
kek
>>64259276
take this
>>64259276
Benefit from knowledge? Not everyone likes to listen to nursery rhymes.. I've never read something so corny in my life. Music by definition is emotion.
>>64259276
>can't say any of this because it's not socially acceptable
The very second you start to care about what is socially acceptable is when you become part of the society you're blaming.
By the way, how is having an opinion and recommending music not socially acceptable? Are you literally autistic?
Also,
>benefit from my musical knowledge
>Animal Collective
Pick one
You should've brought up Elliott Smith
it's not socially acceptable to say because it's fucking retarded. you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>64259276
>want to point to music like Animal Collective, which constantly subverts and challenges musical "rules"
I'm howlin'
You're drastically overestimating your musical "knowledge".
Fuck you OP. I see through your bait, but Animal Collective is actually pretty good and I like them. I don't pretend that it has any more of an emotional connection though, so stop making Animal Collective seem like a pseudo-good band. Go troll somewhere else pleb
>>64259413
>uhh anon this is too depressing
>animal collective
>>64259276
10/10 I replied/raged
>>64259276
>look at me da big bad music savvy teenager challenging social and music norms alike
>animal collective challenges anything in any way in 2016
Underage b& please
>others cant benefit from your musical knowledge
Oh god this is the most autistic thing I've seen today
>>64259276
>reads pitchfork once
>>64259276
don't let /mu/ lead your music taste.
You are a contrarian hipster piece of shit that nobody actually likes, and if you judge people for enjoy popular music and think you're unique for liking fucking Animal Collective, you're no better than the Twenty One Pilots fangirls on Tumblr. Grow up.
this is some low quality bait
>>64260933
The irony is animal collective is also chart topping, kek delusional teenagers and the neo-"so not mainstream" my chemical romance Indie
Ignore the haters OP. I feel you.
>>64260876
accurate
>>64259413
>anon, this guy can't sing.
>>64261006
hello OP
buddy ya got fix that holier than thou attitude you got there. ed sheeran's music is just as valid as animal collective's...like...what makes you think you get to decide what can or can't effectively express human emotion. me shitting into the toilet bowl is as emotionally valid as ac or ed sheeran as long as it means something to me
tldr because you might be retarded art and emotions are subjective
>>64261006
Op stop
>>64261006
I felt depressed realizing OP is a teenager who probably hates himself because his special snowflake delusion is collapsing on him and he has to defend himself in third person to make himself feel better.
>there are people that think theyre emotional for listening to flavor of the month pop song about a breakup #49205
>these same people have never listened to Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space
shiggly my piggly folks
Do normies listen to blackstar at all or just pretend to be interested in his music?
You guys sound smart
>>64261335
>implying that isn't flavor of the month pitchfork trash everyone forgot about kekek
>>64259276
Think of how you phrased that. If you said that the way you said it here you would be a dick pissing on this girl's taste in music because it's not to your liking. For all you know Ed Sheeran's music is emotionally significant for her and resonates in the same way AnCo resonates for you.
If you said "Sheeran is generic pop who can never express true emotions" you're both wrong and a dick.
BUT, you could have said "Oh, I'm not a big Ed Sheeran person, what do you like about him?" Then you've got a conversation going and you learn something about music but more importantly you learn something about her.
>>64261094
I'm not even OP so you look like a major retard right now
>>64261423
Considering she listens to Ed Sheeran, I wouldn't personally be learning anything from her, but you can go ahead.
>>64261655
Yea you sound like an absolute dickhead
>>64261277
you realize how ridiculous that sounds
>>64259276
>Animal Collective, which constantly subverts and challenges musical "rules
Like what?
>at a party
>want to point to music like Animal Collective, which constantly subverts and challenges musical "rules", thus actually expressing raw human emotion on a much deeper level
lel
>>64261922
relentless use of uncomfortably farty synths
>>64261973
Been done before.
>>64261993
Inspired use of post-autistic throat singing
>it's a "/mu/ vents about their life on the spectrum" thread
>be me
>be at party
>hate people so much just decide to get black out drunk to put up with them
>end up patronizing dumb hipsters and getting kicked out
Music for this feel?
>>64262041
>>64261973
There's no rule that says you can't do that.
>>64260367
this needs to a banner desu
the entire board is built around this mentality
>get drunk at bar
>make fun of normies
>make fun of people with genuine interests in music
>go on my own
>leave on my own
>go home
>cry
>want to die
music for this feel mu plz
>>64259276
You could have said that anon, it might be socially acceptable.
HOWEVER
noone would fucking care
seriously
noone would care about your taste
>>64261038
Anyone who unironically believes this should die tbqh
>>64262154
The Cure - Pornography
>>64259350
I honestly don't mind Ed sheeran. Better than a lot of other mainstream pop.
>>64259276
Great bait, I rate eight over eight.
>>64259276
Dude you don't need to insert your own two cents into this story, I'm limited by my own perspective so could you tell me why you think you do this?
>>64262087
>>64261335
>>64261006
I want all of you to take this short test and give your results.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism.htm
I unironically kinda like Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith...
>>64262217
The only real difference is instrumentation
>>64262259
Sam Smith is (or at least was, in his prime) a fantastic vocalist, and Ed's not exactly the most talented musician but his music is sincere and basically inoffensive
There's literally nothing wrong with either of them
>>64259276
You could have said that, but you'd have to say it in a certain way and tone of voice and with certain mannerisms that won't trigger any of the normies' conditioned responses.
>>64262299
i consider myself a pretentious cunt and still find nothing bad about ed sheeran
he's not an automated pop star, just some kid making inoffensive music that got big
he's fine, a normies idea of honesty and 'proper' music, but he's good for what he is
>>64262326
If you think
A. that Animal Collective isn't generic hipster shit
and
B. That emotion can't be effectively expressed in 4/4
You should end your life or unfuck yourself before you spend the rest of your life alone and stupid.
>>64262299
>4 chord ditty about faceless girl #237
>sincere
>>64259276
>musical knowledge
>Animal Collective
>>64259276
My again proves that you are just a bunch of Kane contrarians forcing the animal collective are not good meme just to counter OP.
>>64262386
>music HAS to be technical for it to be good
fuck off
>>64262464
It's not that they're not good, it's that they're nothing special. You can't tell people that you have great music taste because you like generic college hipster jams. The dumbest dude I knew in college loved animal collective, it doesn't mean anything.
>>64262469
>pulling implications out of thin air
read that again with the idea of sincerity in mind and decode the meme text properly my man
>>64262469
>music HAS to be less technical to convey emotions
Fucking kill yourself idiot
>>64262556
Not him but the statement is just as stupid. There's nothing about number of chords that is the determinant of the emotion delivered in a song. Some prog album can be soulless while a 4 chord song can emit all the soul in the world. Honestly singing style and instrumentation is most important here.
What would you have actually said to them to justify the claim that they constantly subvert and challenge the rules of music?
There are people in this thread supporting the idea that Ed Sheeran is good, this is an anonymous board with only very basic rules and social norms particularly apply. So what do you say to them?
>>64262603
you're focusing on perhaps the least important two words in that sentence
>>64259276
>anco
>good
>>64262642
I ignored faceless girl because it's irrelevant. Most songs about a girl don't name the girl. If you're saying that singing about a girl can't be sincere you should probably just end your loveless life.
>>64262670
NMH is so deep guise so emotion full
>>64262700
Lol I actually am probably one of the only people here who bashes them. They really are just faggy hipster pop.
>>64262670
I mean if the song composition is generic, and you say it doesn't matter because of the emotional value, then how is a very very unoriginal and bland repetition of an over explored topic with an unoriginal point of view music worth listening in any way? What do I need to look for when listening to Ed Sheeran?
>>64262748
It's pop music, you're not supposed to over-analyze it. This is what I think is so funny on /mu/, almost none of you understand context in music taste.
I don't listen to Ed Sheeran to deeply analyze it, I listen to it because it's on the radio, it sounds nice and it's good to drive around to. Different music is for different listening.
>>64259313
>Hey Ya
THE GOAT
>>64262670
I'm saying that if every single song is about some vague romance, be it a breakup or a new love (with the exception of one song about the misty mountains), then it's probably insincere, and if you believe he's attempting to evoke or replicate the feeling of genuine love when he writes and rewrites each chorus to be the catchiest and most quotable, then you have no grounds to call anyone else out on not understanding sincerity in love.
>>64262823
Well, I usually judge music when I listen to the music itself. If someone says Ed Sheeran is their favourite artist then what are they doing?
>>64259276
Learn how to actually express your feelings verbally, you weirdo. People might think you were interesting if you can learn how to talk to them instead of writing on an obscure 4chan board. Also, Animal Collective sucks. Go listen to the Blues if you want raw emotion.
>>64263388
Stop feeding his special snowflake delusion in implying mu or animal collective are obscure
>>64263388
The Blues more like This Blows
OP telling it like it is and /mu/ responding with "lololol animal collective so pleb tier"
>>64260367
If you are on this board, chances are that you have more musical knowledge than the average person.
>>64260793
Stop hating on AnCo just because they are bad now.
>Why is society set up in such a way that people can't benefit from my musical knowledge?
because musical taste is subjective, you would be better off if you just listened to pop and Disney sound tracks so you could relate to more people. You could also find a group of people who are really into music, maybe at a music club or some shit idk, i got lucky with my friends from high school.
>>64259315
Thank you.
>>64261365
I still listen to it. It's good.
>>64261423
>le music is subjective meme
I like AnCo but that might have been the worst example you could have used
Who is Ed Sheeran? That ginger?
>>64266797
Yes
>>64259276
>Socially acceptable
Op, society don't cares if you listen AnCo, mu don't cares neither, there is no such thing as socially acceptable music, you aren't special.
>>64267136
Oh, saw a bit of his Austin City Limits performance, he's not bad but nothing I would listen to. The crowd was like 98% teenage girls with their dads and then some 20 year old tattooed guys who faggy hair who looked like pedophile desu.
>>64259276
>Animal Collective
You were the biggest pleb there and that's pretty hard to do.
>>64262258
I scored a 28. Also
>>64259276
>you can't express emotions with constraints
>no restraints = raw emotion
>mfw
