>mediocre pop music
>preferred image over substance
>forever has made his music inaccessible
>believed in the bullshit around 432 hz music
Why do people care about this hack?
>>64258202
>forever has made his music inaccessible
>forever
You must be 12
>>64258231
Digitally anyways.
>>64258202
>mediocre pop music
bitch, please
>>64258773
Explain how he wasn't.
>>64258790
http://videos.sapo.pt/LVB2Tz1LnF0RJjFZ4A9n
>>64258202
5'2"
>>64258202
Not a big fan of Prince never got his music but I know Miles Davis was a big fan of his so there must be something i'm missing.
>>64258790
listen to his music.
listen to dirty mind
listen to controversy
listen to1999
listen to sign o' the times
listen to the black album
there was no one like him
>>64258831
>>64258866
Oh look nothing melodically or harmonically or formally interesting.
Thanks for proving my point
>>64259005
I fucking hate people like you that think the value of music can be proven. Music is not a fact, not statistic, it's not math or physics. Music is more than fucking numbers.
>>64259077
So you agree there's nothing musically interesting in his music.
>>64258202
This board needs to be shut down. You fucking high schoolers are tastleless, talentless, cultureless little insignificant shits. You feel big making fun of celebrities? Not their fault your one shot at existing on earth left literally NO impact. As if you were never even here. If you died (stopped existing - for good) literally nobody would miss you.
>>64259115
Nice fallacy kid
>>64259005
>http://videos.sapo.pt/LVB2Tz1LnF0RJjFZ4A9n
oh really? not that last minute and a half? nothing interesting there? are you even listening? are you even interested? I can't tell.
>>64258202
>virtuoso
>Literally the R&B Zappa
>Top 5 guitarist of all time
>More music than Mozart
>Helped tons of other artists get a career by ghost writing for them or writing under a nom de plum
>Sexy as fuck
>Controversial
>New stuff is still fucking GOAT
Yeah, sorry his stuff isn't on jewtube, but Prince is fucking all time great. If you can't understand why, you are a fucking moron. He's 1000x more talented than Bowie, and everyone was on his dick when he died.
>>64258202
Why do you care about people caring about him? The man had fans, some fans who have fans of their own. You don't get it, So what? I know you're baiting, but you sound stupid -- and I want you to do better.
>>64259114
I think that you shouldn't search for "interest" with music, you should search for connection and there's no explantion for that. It's just like how you can't mathmetically explain why you love someone. Music is just like that.
>>64259005
>nothing melodically or harmonically or formally interesting
well.
>>64259127
I can see through your half assed reply how hard that hit you. Keep trolling though, maybe your life will improve and actually have some purpose for once!
>>64259141
Go on kid, explain how it's interesting.
>>64259206
>autism doesn't have emotions
>can't connect with art
>blames the artist
>>64259160
nice b8
>>64259178
What a poptimist reply!
>>64259190
Yeah, it's true.
>>64259206
key change, looping descending diminished guitar. theres this wooshing synth in the back making off-color notes with real intent - that on its own would be a great hiphop sample - but in the context of the song it is an impressionistic emotional plea - waiting for that person you like realize how good you would be together. its fucking cool, is what it is
>>64259312
Show me something interesting because I think by your "standards" I never heard anything interesting.
>>64259312
>Yeah, it's true.
no, prince uses quite interesting arrangements for example, everyone should recognize that
^we're talking about If I Was Your Girlfriend - which he seems to flatly claim is uninteresting. Which is maybe the least interesting criticism someone could possible have.
>>64259333
Its OK but if you're seriously going to tell me one diminished chord makes it worthwhile you need to get an education.
>>64259353
Glenn Branca - The Indeterminate Activity of Resultant Masses
Laurie Anderson - O Superman
>>64259206
and it just fades too, never any catharsis. the waiting continues. so theres your form
>>64259421
Hahahahahahaha fade outs were done in 1920 you fucking moron
Parade, Sign O' The Times, 1999, and Purple Rain all fight for the spot of my favorite Prince album.
Dirty Mind is what got me into Prince. He has really good B-sides, like Erotic City, She's Always in my Hair, and Scarlet Pussy.
And really, he stood up for the ability of artists to have control of their own music. It sucks that he was so uptight, but he's always lived to his morals and viewpoints. Even if you don't like his beliefs, you have to respect his dedication.
>>64259403
not really what i was saying, at all. and no i never told you that. the diminished chord was not the crux of my argument (although it is VERY TELLING that you think it was) but good job on replying.
>>64259471
Well considering I explicitly mentioned harmonic interest yes, that is the only relevant thing you mentioned.
>>64259436
i wasnt claiming innovation - i was saying that the form of the pop song serves its lyrical content. and serves it well what is wrong with you?
>>64259403
>i like syncopated beats and interesting time measures
right?
>>64259403
>Laurie Anderson - O Superman
And how is that interesting exactly? Just explain please.
>>64259497
So you're saying it's mediocre?
>>64259516
a mediocre troll is mediocre
>>64259488
clearly not interested in actually having a conversation.
>>64259499
Neither of those pieces is about that.
>>64259532
You said yourself it's just good at what it's trying to be, which is bland pop.
>>64259536
>i also like polyrhythms, they are fresh and interesting
>>64259506
like seriously how can you say "Laurie Anderson - O Superman" is harmonically interesting? One melody throughout the entire song, only 2 chords and one scale. Only thing that changes is the dynamics.
>>64259552
>look, he is improvising
>>64259516
nope. what? what are you talking about? I think you think you're somehow 'winning' and pointing out inconsistencies in my defense. but youre just projecting your own shit on towhat im saying and responding to it in kind. and i dont know if youre conscious of this.
>>64259554
You don't understand musical terminology do you?
>>64259568
>O Superman is not interesting, i love Dream Theater though
>>64259552
and youre clearly not old enough to understand arguments arent all about winning
>>64258202
are you the same imbecile who did all the memewie shitposts
>>64259581
>Phil Collins was the first one to use reverb on drums
>>64259594
That's not what I was saying and I don't like Dream Theater. If you're >>64259403 then you should explain why O Superman is interesting melodically while prince's music isn't.
>>64259625
>Prog Rock is the greatest music of them all
Agree. I also think he was overrated because he was black.
>>64259625
shit thats really good point. listening to it now, i like it - but how does OP reconcile this clear contradiction? this is straight minimalism,
>>64259625
O Superman is built off a pedal point of C, with only two chords, C min and Ab maj. These two chords convey the two different characters an affects throughout the song perfectly. But the harmony is only one part of a full picture.
>>64258202
all you idiots fucking love Bowie but for you Prince sucks
Damn
fuck this place...
kys faggots
>>64259710
OH PLEASE DO GO ON
>>64259721
For obvious reasons.
>>64259747
Why are you mad that I know more about music than you?
the only good song Prince did was Nothing Compares To You and he isn't even singing that one fucking lmao
It's a pretty dissapointing album honestly. Opener, I would die 4 U and Purple Rain are the only ones that stick out
>>64259710
>C min and Ab maj
sigh
>>64259721
What Prince do you liked past The Gold Experience?
>>64259761
you seem like a lonely guy OP.
>>64259710
>But the harmony is only one part of a full picture.
You wanted people to prove you that Prince is musically interesting but now you say that harmony is only "one part of a full picture"? If you say that for one artist there's no way you can't say that for prince as well who take a huge deal in production and the arrangements of his songs.
>>64259799
*quickly checks on ultimate guitar tabs*
>>64259841
You seem mad that I know more.
>>64259866
so far the only evidence that you 'know more' is you repeatedly saying you 'know more'
>>64259710
>i - VI ∞ is complex
>>64259849
No i'm saying O Superman has many great parts to it while Prince has none
>>64258202
The vast spam between Prince's talent and the quality of the music he produced is probably more extreme than any musician in history.
I'll never understand why he wasted his talent on such fucking awful music.
>>64259915
>O Superman has many great parts to it while Prince has none
>>64259866
>No i'm saying O Superman has many great parts to it while Prince has none
astute analysis from an acclaimed patrician
5'2"
>>64259799
How am I wrong?
>>64259915
>No i'm saying O Superman has many great parts to it
If you're doing to talk about dynamics i'm leaving this fucking thread because it's just not worth it you're too stubborn and closed minded.
>>64259403
>Glenn Branca - The Indeterminate Activity of Resultant Masses
Overrated hack.
>Laurie Anderson - O Superman
Actually fucking amazing.
>>64259915
prince has NONE GREAT PARTS
>>64259903
Never said that I said it's interesting.
>forever has made his music inaccessible
shouldn't you tards like that
>>64259972
>Never said that I said
>>64259958
NONE, NEVER ANY
>>64259972
I hope you realize how subjective and useless this argument is after this sentence. You really need to grow up and stop trying to warm up strangers on the internet with your shit opinions.
>>64259972
>Never said that I said it's interesting.
so you said it wasn't interesting? got it, i think.
>>64259997
>>64260025
>>64260031
It's interesting how the harmony is used for the storytelling, in addition to its inherent minimalist traits. When has Prince ever done anything that musically involved? Never.
Just admit that you are either:
1) Teenagers who don't know shit about music
2) Crossboarders
I can't imagine the outpouring of grief and rage that will occur when the guy that wrote The Indeterminate Activity of Resultant Masses passes away.
>>64259115
Thats where youre the complete fuccboi because since when was it about one having an "impact"? What did he actually do? Create a perfect society? Fight evil? Help people less fortunate than himself?
>>64260095
Do you seriously not know who Glenn Branca is? That's entry level shit you fucking teenager.
>>64260092
Man i'm not even a fan of prince and I never enjoyed his music but fuck you for wasting my time.
>>64260095
>>64260118
And he made a shit-ton more than Indeterminate Activity, if you don't at least know The Ascension then you're showing your age clear as day to everyone.
>>64260092
> It's interesting how the harmony is used for the storytelling,
>key change, looping descending diminished guitar. theres this wooshing synth in the back making off-color notes with real intent - that on its own would be a great hiphop sample - but in the context of the song it is an impressionistic emotional plea - waiting for that person you like realize how good you would be together.
>Its OK but if you're seriously going to tell me one diminished chord makes it worthwhile you need to get an education
do you see the hypocrisy here? or do you need me to spell it our for you. you seem to have trouble with these things.
>>64259115
>if you died no one would miss you
There is nothing wrong with that.
>>64260092
>It's interesting how the harmony is used for the storytelling, in addition to its inherent minimalist traits. When has Prince ever done anything that musically involved
the cross
now leave
>>64260144
>key change, looping descending diminished guitar. theres this wooshing synth in the back making off-color notes with real intent - that on its own would be a great hiphop sample - but in the context of the song it is an impressionistic emotional plea - waiting for that person you like realize how good you would be together.
Tell me how he uses harmony in story telling.
All you're saying is "Wow I love that synth part." The synth part isn't telling a story.
>>64260164
Link or you're bullshitting.
i like when doves cry, it's some of the best LM-1 production i've ever heard
but don't kid yourselves, most prince was essentially
>funk for people who don't really like funk
>>64260169
what else except the chord changes in O Superman is high quality music material for you? The reverb in Born in the USA?
Is this a David Bowie thread?
>>64260190
>Link or you're bullshitting.
google 'logic', then come back please
>>64260169
>>64260169
>but in the context of the song it is an >impressionistic emotional plea - waiting for that person you like realize how good you would be together.
see i knew you would have trouble. impressionism: laurie knows a good deal about it. why dont you listen to her a little more and crawl back later.
>>64260203
Well the music is aiding the storytelling, which is told through abstract poetry, abstract visuals (in her MoMA performance), and the use of a libretto from an early 20th century opera, sung by a black man. It's one part of a suite but can be analyzed as much as a full piece due to the interdependence of the music and text.
>>64260241
are you the gearspammer of musical interpretation?
>>64260278
Where am I wrong?
>>64260288
you are not really wrong, you still don't really know what you are talking about and the thread goes way over your head. Or you are quite a good troll. Like gearspammer.
>>64260288
you're wrong by dismissing everything prince did and the narrative the other guy gave of prince's storytelling.
fuck i forgot this started out as bait. this is all just feeding his ego in some perverse way.
Prince is or was an insanely talented and gifted songwriter, artist, and performer. To even argue those facts is Ludacris. Off the top of my head I can think of so many songs that sound unique, interesting, and infinitely catchy. But most importantly they make you feel something. Some really wanna make you fuck, some make you wanna dance, others, make you wanna cry and others can put a smile on my face every single time. Prince is like none other. If you don't like him that's fine. But why be an asshole autist about it. I don't like motor head at all, but hey when lemmy died I understood how significant he was to heavy music and have an infinite amount of respect for the man. But as for prince. If you need proof of interesting music from him listen to: party like it's 1999, little red corvette, lady cab driver, dmsr (this one will be lodged in your head for a week), take me with u, I wanna be ur lover, baby I'm a star, purple rain, computer blue, sign o the times, play in the sunshine, starfish and coffee, if I was your girlfriend, you got the look, I could never take the place of your man, adore. Jesus, these are just off the top of my head. Just fuck off he's one of the greatest ever
>>64260326
>you still don't really know what you are talking about and the thread goes way over your head.
Here's what I'm saying.
Prince never made anything of value to Music History.
He made decent pop that got popular appeal, but that does not make it exceptional. In fact, that's a testament to his mediocrity in the scale of music history.
He's no David Bowie, who brought avantgarde music to the masses.
No one can deny he was talented. Im not a fan but he made a few songs that i like.
>>64260288
ill give this to you OP, you got me. i devoted way too much time to arguing with you.
>>64260360
All your post says is "I don't know anything about music theory or music history, but I'm going to act like my opinion matters anyways."
You are all of /mu/.
>>64260164
This actually. The cross is great too. Never liked the production much though
>>64260362
thanks opinionspammer
>>64260383
what because he talked using emotional terms he automatically doesn't know about theory?
sounds like you are the one who doesn't get it
theoryfags have to some of the most musically illiterate people going
>>64260383
>don't know music theory
Is it that insulting to you that I can understand music theory and appreciate prince's music?
>>64260383
see youre not actually intellectually engaging with anyone here. every time someone responds you deflect into your comfortable oppositional muh-music-theory stance that gets you fucking nowhere. its truly embarrassing to witness. some of the best writers dont know shit about music theory. some of the best writers do. its not a mutually exclusive game here.
>>64258202
>>64260440
Arguments from emotion are not based in fact.
Sorry ledditor.
>>64260452
"Appreciate" is very different from treating his music as if it's GOAT.
>>64260457
No, it's a downright fact that if you don't know history/theory, your opinion doesn't matter.
Do you read Pitchfork or something?
>>64260383
i can even predict what youre going to say. well if dey dont know music theory den there isnt anywhere to get to. PRINCE HAS NONE GOOD PARTS
>>64258202
He was literally the back Bowie (unless you feel the same way about him too, in which case fuck off back to scaruffiland)
His music sucks. It's obvious people only like him because its something normies feel safe enough identifying with a le edgy sassy queer xD deep power ballad musician. no one cared about his music yesterday and no one honestly does today.
>>64260362
>Revolution 9 is the greatest song ever made
>>64260457
True
Joy Division didn't know what a key change was. They couldn't even count, they didn't understand signatures. So I guess they're bad too
>>64259922
(You)
>>64260501
>not knowing the difference between a logical argument and an opinion
see, this is why you will never make good music
>>64260478
Very, very few people hated David Bowie. He was an actually special musician interested in the avantgarde.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvstpQGjPPc
>>64260512
Public Enemy is closer to David Bowie than Prince.
>>64260532
No, it isn't. Quit with the strawmen.
>>64260543
I know the difference: one has value, the other does not.
>>64260543
9/10
>>64260531
Been a fan for quite some time. Same with Bowie. I do get upset that now they'll blow up even more with pseudo fans
>>64260565
but Revolution 9 taught people about Stockhausen, the Master of Avantgarde
>>64260565
>here is my music and here are logical reasons why you must like it
haha
>>64260602
Tomorrow Never Knows did it first and with a much more interesting sound palette.
>>64260501
its so easy to argue about a song from the music-theory-autist position. because you can just demand that someone explain in academic terms why something is 'objectively good'. and if they cant then you 'win'. ITS SO FUCKING EASY. its lazy, and someone with the intellectual rigor that you claim to have would be fucking bored by it. but you clearly aren't bored by it, because youre pathetic.
>>64260501
Prince died and you must've been like "well I guess I don't like him now, better piss off some grieving fans"
>>64260622
You're literally mad because I know more than you.
That's hilarious
>>64260619
>interesting
Indians used indian instruments ages ago
Oh look, another thread about how the youtube generation never heard artists older then them.
>>64260634
ohmygod he is cycling back everyone. hes back to the ' i know more than you' square one. comfy square one - the feedback loop continues and no one is buying it.
>>64260631
I like him.
He doesn't deserve this level of praise though
>>64260700
>He doesn't deserve this level of praise though
Please show me on this doll where our father hurt you more than your brother
>>64260634
Truly, you haven't proved that you know anything. You could very easily know nothing about music theory. Any autist can use google
>>64260685
You just said that my argument is lazy because I know more than you. Now you say "no one believes it."
>>64260700
Is it not okay for others to like him more than you?
>>64260700
was that supposed to reveal some contradiction in my words? I never said you did know more than me, or any of us. I said you take that position because thats the easy, lazy position to take. you never have to engage, the ball is always in the other court. its a cheap ploy and its boring and no one is buying it. the only interest i have here is deconstructing the flimsy construct that is your self concept. itll be better for you in the long run. you dont have to always feel the need to be 'right' or 'objective' nothings that simple, and life will not be kind to you.
>>64260108
Inspiration x Value of Self = MAGIC.
Just because you lack the self-value to turn his inspiration into something meaningful in your own life, doesn't mean it's not there. You just don't have the vision to see it, nor the resources to make use of it. He's inspired of dozens of people who went on to become successful millionaires.
High self value turns a penny into gold.
Low self value -- gold into copper.
>>64259160
You lost me at him being better than Bowie
>>64260362
gj david bowie on bringing avant garde to the masses. we can see how that changed the world of today.
>>64260832
oh, and prince was great. forgot to add that.
>>64260872
and all that while singing exclusively simple pop songs. What a genius.
>>64260921
>exclusively simple pop songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvstpQGjPPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY77zDzNmYw
>princes last album is a complete piece of shit
>bowies last album is arguably his best work
Who was the real genius?
>>64261093
I dont think prince knew he was gonna die senpai
Come on people ofc Prince fucking sucks. Just flat out sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhcParuzpc
Just see on that video how much of an ass and retarded person he was.
>>64260532
There is no greatest song ever made, and if so it is the theme to raging bull.
>>64261152
this. he just liked to party like it was 1984
For fucks sake people stop falling for obvious b8 and wasting time. You guys made OPs job that much easier.
>>64259160
>1000x more talented Bowie
>>64259005
>formally interesting.
Oh look, anon is talking out of his ass.
