He's the only musical genius in popular music
Prove me wrong
>Protip: You can't
>popular music
>genius
jej
If he's so smart why'd he make shitty rock music and fedora pop?
>>64210754
>popular things can't be high art
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Nah, he was a tryhard songwriter. Lennon could write better songs using two chords.
nigga please
>>64210814
>Fedora pop
>>64210855
I seriously want you to explain how Lennon is a better songwriter
>>64210727
I literally can't. Probably the all-around most talented person in popular music. Definitely deserves the genius title. The only other person I can think of that qualifies is >>64210885
>>64210996
Did brain write yellow Submarine?
>>64211025
The acappella parts on 'Wind Chimes' where they are all going "wiiind Chimes are tinkalin" is on par with any choral music I've ever heard in terms of compositional ability and even singing ability.
Its a shame Brian never got around to being a full time composer for a church or something. He could have written some even more breath takingly God inspired works in that head space
>>64210849
Popular Music ≠ Music that is popular
>>64210727
He isn't anything close to a genious.
The closest thing Rock Music has gotten to a genious probably are Michael Gira, Frank Zappa and Fred Frith, but even them pale against real musical geniuses.
Now, if you include Jazz Music in Popular Music, then you have some real geniuses.
>>64210727
>The Beatles
>Bob Dylan
>Michael Jackson
>Kanye west
>Radiohead
>The Velvet underground
>Death grips
>AnCo
>Nirvana
Those are the one i can name from the top of my head
>>64211275
>Michael Gira, Frank Zappa, and Fred Frith
kek
>If you include Jazz Music in Popular Music, then you have some real geniuses
this is where i totally discarded your opinion. he just talked about songwriting. jazz has very little songwriting, and relies mostly on improvisation
>>64211300
bad bait
>>64211275
>Michael Gira
Explain how he is a genius.
I'm insulted that you impied that Michael Gira could even hold a candle to BDW, even Gira probably would call you a retard
>>64211275
>Jazz
>Genius
>>64211331
How was my post "bad bait"? This is an opinionated thread you idiot.
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>>64211275
>Michael Gira, Frank Zappa and Fred Frith
>>64211275
>Michael Gira
holy kek
>>64211367
because the only one on that list that even comes remotely close to brian is the beatles. in terms of songwriting. then radiohead (substantially lower). the rest are not even in the same universe. how can you say that bob dylan's 3 chord songs with super simple melodies are even close to brian or the beatles? we're not talking about lyricism. or kanye's looped soul samples?
>>64210727
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>>64211445
so you're saying Bob songwriting can't come close to brain?
And you call me bad bait.
>>64211503
i'm absolutely saying that, and anyone who has any musical knowledge would agree. bob dylan's songwriting was super simple, how can you deny that? again, i'm not talking about lyricism.
>>64211041
Neither did John
>>64211300
Yes, great list
>>64211549
Paul-John were simple songwriting.
>>64211331
>he just talked about songwriting.
Where in the OP is the word "Songwriting" mentioned?
>>64211331
>>64211333
>>64211381
>>64211429
As far as I know, Swans was the first band to wed Minimalism and Rock Music, specifically No-Wave, and they succeded at it.
Frank Zappa was the first one to blend Jazz and Rock, even before Miles Davis, created Progressive Rock; and succeded at both.
Fred Frith basically made a rock themed british free improvisation band, also succeded at it.
>>64211337
Jazz has created several more and better masterpieces than rock music.
There is only one
>>64211331
>he just talked about songwriting
???
>it's a pretentious shitposting thread
>>64211592
dude you know nothing about songwriting or theory if you think that. paul and john and brians songs (mostly talking about their later works with the beatles and the beach boys, '65-'67ish) were simple.
strawberry fields, penny lane, god only knows, they all were super complex. non-diatonic chords, modulations, jazz theory (brian), bob dylan literally wrote 3 chord folk music. and i'm not saying its objectively worse, but it's objectively not as complex or musically inventive as the beatles/beach boys
>>64211622
I already know I'm a genius.
>>64211300
Only Radiohead can hold a candle to Brian Wilson, & The fact that Nirvana's on your list makes me think you're trolling.
>>64211679
>Y DO U GUYS DISCUSS MUSIC FUCKIN FAGGOTS
>EVERYTHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS PRETENTIOUS
>>64211621
>Where in the OP is the word "Songwriting" mentioned?
i guess i made that up. in that case i agree that jazz had a lot of geniuses, but it's a very different kind of genius.
also you're just naming things that those bands did first. who cares? i could name a shitload more that did way more influential things than the bands you listed, it doesn't make them geniuses. also in what universe is swans "popular music"
>>64211707
come on dude the beatles can absolutely hold a candle to brian. i personally don't think they're better but they can hold a candle to him
>>64211275
>Jazz music
This opinion is incorrect. You got fooled into thinking that Jazz was "more intellectual" and "more sophisticated" than even Nickelback buttrock, which it isn't.
>>64210727
If this aspie is a genuis then Phil Spector is a deity
>>64211685
The Beatles still had simple shit like in the white album, and abbey road.
>>64211756
oh, so i am in fact being baited. damn
>>64211778
I tried
>>64211736
Paul was the only Beatle worth a shit. And maybe George. Still Wilson is the superior creator.
>>64211801
>george
wow full retard. john was a fantastic songwriter. although yeah wilson was better
>Tfw the Velvet underground beats all
>>64211737
>also in what universe is swans "popular music"
"Scholars have classified music as popular based on its mode of transmission in non-written form, its appeal to diverse listeners, its treatment as a commodity in a capitalist context, and other factors."
>I could name a shitload more that did way more influential things than the bands you listed
I'm not talking about influence, but about uniqueness for their time, with sounds that evolved while still being unique. besides that I can just say I enjoy them and consider them to have solid discographies.
>>64211737
It dosen't matter which music is more "intellectual" or more "sophisticated", music is about conveying the same emotions in different, unique ways; which jazz has plenty.
>>64211820
>muh 3 chords for 18 minutes
>muh female singer who sounds like a man
>muh 8 minutes of spoken word over a throwaway improvisation
>muh proto-whiney indeh rawk album
>muh dadrock sellout album
>good
>>64211820
No individual member of the Velvet Underground was really that talented.
>>64211331
>jazz has very little songwriting
kys
Wilson is king but some guys that made pop who are worth a shit:
Brian Eno, Phil Spector, Joe Meek, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Lee Perry, Willie Dixon, Jay Dee, John Cale, Van Dyke Parks
>>64211899
>John Cale
>Not Talented
>>64211945
>muh viola that sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard
>>64211919
it has songwriting, but way less than most other genres. especially seeing as it's super common to take standards and redo them, or to take melodies from pop music and put them into a jazz context
>>64211996
That's not a valid reason on why he's not talented.
>>64211041
Now you're just being silly.
>>64211996
Are you even trying?
better musician than brian wilson
better producer than brian wilson
better person than brian wilson
>>64211621
>minimalism and rock music
Brian did it. Smiley Smile (1967)
>jazz and rock
Brian did it. Pet Sounds (1966)
>Progressive rock
Brian did it. Pet Sounds again
You are displaying such a lack of knowledge on these topics. Please leave
>>64212072
>jazz
>Pet Sounds
The shit are you even talking?
>>64212072
Pets sounds =/= progressive rock
Unless you can prove me wrong.
>>64212088
>don't talk
>not clearly having jazz influence
what?
>>64212072
I'vel istened to Pet Sounds and call tell you are wrong on the last two ones.
>Brian did it. Smiley Smile (1967)
Link song proof, becuase I suspect you are wrong too.
>>64212072
>>64212088
>>64212088
>>64212107
>>64212126
who the fuck cares about some billion year old album like pet sounds, whether its jazz or progressive, fuck who cares, it sounds so dated and each song is just layered with disposable novelty effects and editing anyways, theres no musicianship
>>64212177
>no musicianship
lol
>>64212177
>Who cares about the most influential album on a music board
>>64212226
>the most influential album
thats a stretch
>>64212072
go away and read this. Until you have, shut the fuck up.
>>64212267
How the hell is that a stretch?
>>64212158
LaMonte Young would disagree for starters.
>>64212307
not him but how is it the most influential album? definitely very influential but there are a ton of albums that take that title more than pet sounds
>>64212357
i was implying it is one of the most. Should have corrected myself.
>>64212357
I'm not sure I've really heard a legacy that the Beach Boys can really be said to have left. Who else sounds like them?
>>64211300
>Kanye West a genius
kek
Wonder what a true genius like Joyce would think about that shit
>>64212107
Read it's wiki page. A lot of critics have called it a forerunner to prog rock for its changing time sigs, ritando, and odd sturuces.
>>64212158
Listen to Let's Go Away For Awhile or the titular track.
Also, just listen to Smiley Smile. Its pretty fucking embarrassing that you have not already
Seriously just fuck off you fucking attention whore. Do. NOT talk bad about Brian. Do NOT talk without being knowledgeable on a topic...
>>64212603
He'd think that the poster you're replying to is obviously trolling and that you're a moron for giving him the attention he wants.
>>64212658
Shut up
>>64212492
a ton of artists have taken influence from brian's songwriting. two off the top of my head are panda bear and the jesus and mary chain, and they explicitly admit it. but i'm sure there are tons more
>>64212444
oh yeah i agree then
>>64212870
>panda bear and tjmc
just that come to your mind? Kek
You have literally like 200 bands/artists to choose
>>64213073
No u
>>64213073
yeah idk. i just remember they had said it outright. who would you have chose?
>>64212611
>Listen to Let's Go Away
Just listened to it again, it's clear you have no idea what minimalism is.
>Its pretty fucking embarrassing that you have not already
It really is not, as I can tell from Pet Sounds, just glorified pop music.
>>64211275
>No captian beefheart
>>64213563
YOI FUCKING RETARD LETS GO AWAY WAS THE ONE I SAID WAS JAZZ INFLUENCED
LEARN TO FUCKING READ GOD DAMNKT.
SMILEY SMILE IS THE ONE THAY WAS MININIMAL ROCK
SERIOUSLY FUCK OFF YOU FJCKING TRIO FAG FUCK YOU
>>64213664
U mean
No one has mentioned Jimi Hendrix.
fuck you /mu/
>>64213872
Sorry
just accept that panda bear is the most innovative artist of the 21st century
>>64214749
>Not deak
>>64214790
deakin's talented but he makes music that's been made a thousand times before. doesn't make it bad just not groundbreaking like person pitch
>>64211721
>also in what universe is swans "popular music"
Well they're sure as hell not "art music" or "folk music."
Annie Clark
Pic related
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>>64210814
>>64211275
>>64211300
Jesus Christ Kill Yourselves You Idiots
>>64215265
I could agree with this. Dude is on another level.
>>64215265
Who?
>>64210727
2 Chainz is the greatest songwriter known to mankind.
>>64211275
quickly becoming my least favorite tripfag
his self titled album should be mucore
>>64218116
He made solo albums?
>>64210727
He's up there
I genuinely think Elliott was just as talented as Brian Wilson his arrangements weren't super original until the FABOTH sessions but his music is pretty goddamn impeccable and even as far back as Roman Candle his guitar work was crazy
