>he calls hip hop "rap"
>he unironically considers jazz "classical"
>he calls hip hop "music"
>>64145827
>Unironically thinks hip-hop isn't music
>he calls albums he doesn't like "dry"
big boy, haha
could someone please explain to me this spongebob boy meme
>he calls music "slaps"
>>64146064
yeah i don't get it either.
>>64146064
Boi
no love
>>64146080
>he calls music "a journey"
>>64145279
why wouldn't i? it seems far less pretentious.
>>64146270
How the fuck is the term "hip hop" pretentious?
>>64145279
>>64146064
>>64146090
>spongebob
>boy
reeks of inner city youth (read:nigger) meme
and no, im not /pol/ either
What is the difference between rap and hip-hop?
>>64146345
just compared to rap
it conveys far less information and is twice as many words and syllables
and its cornier
for the second time now, why wouldn't I call it rap?
>>64146064
When I was growing up this is something we'd say before we'd roast somebody and sometimes we'd point at something we were about to make fun of. It's how black people talk.
>>64146168
>he prefers strawberry over cheese flavor
[spoiler] please don't sell me [/spoiler]
>>64145870
>unironically thinks hip hop is music
You need to be 18 to post here.
>>64146402
Rap is just the vocal delivery, hip hop is the music (and fashion, dancing, culture etc).
>>64146405
Rapping is what you do, hip hop is the style of music inclusive of the beat and the culture being conveyed. Rage Against The Machine has rapping but it sure as fuck isn't hip hop. Likewise there are plenty of R&B singers whose music could be called hip hop but where they never rap.
>>64146461
>stupid opinion
>opinion
>lel get off my board lel 18 lel
>>64146488
>Rage Against The Machine has rapping but it sure as fuck isn't hip hop
I had a feeling something like this was gonna come up. Nope still useless because this shit is called nu-metal or whatever so there is still no need for a delineation.
>>64146478
>Rap is just the vocal delivery
instrumental hip-hop is another bullshit term. Its either techno or jazz. even sample based music is under the umbrella of techno. so again there is no need for delineation.
>>64146667
Just out of curiosity, what do you call that toxic asswater like Hollywood Undead then?
>>64146778
> implying electronic music isn't primarily delineated into genres by their rhythm
>>64146787
first I've ever even heard of them
>>64146405
>it conveys far less information
What the fuck does that even mean?
>why wouldn't I call it rap?
Because rap specifically refers to vocals. It's not a genre. Hip hop is already an established and clearly defined term. There's no reason to call it rap. You wouldn't go around calling music with singing vocals "sing."
>>64146667
>this shit is called nu-metal or whatever
No, it's literally called rap metal, and a lot of nu-metal has hip hop influences.
>>64146778
>instrumental hip-hop is another bullshit term. Its either techno or jazz.
Holy shit, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Please stop posting.
>>64146828
I didnt think I was implying that. also electronic is another bullshit term. its fucking techno deal with it.
I can't fucking believe someone on /mu/ just called hip hop techno. Laughing my fucking ass off
>>64146831
>What the fuck does that even mean?
only thing worth replying to. hip-hop in and of itself conveys literally nothing just like most if not all other genres. rap is even more useful of a genre name because of this. it tells you literally what the genre consists of.
>>64146831
>>why wouldn't I call it rap?
>Because rap specifically refers to vocals. It's not a genre.
Buddy...Rap is a subgenre of HipHop
How would you differentiate Wiz Khalifa to J Dilla then. Calling them both solely HipHop?
>>64146902
ever heard of fucking dalek? but yeah depending on the style we could call a sample based song looping.
>>64146831
Everything about this post is accurate.
>>64146869
> current year
> being this wrong
>>64146778
Hip hop sounds nothing like either techno or jazz. Just because you don't use these delineations as you call them, won't stop most people hearing the distinction.
>>64146925
wiz khalifa is a rapper
j dilla makes instrumental music
it's that simple, you literal fucking retard.
I like how /mu/ is probably the only place where you'll see people that unironically say hip-hop is techno.
>he thinks hip hop only talks about bitches and money
>>64147015
fine then rnb, soul, etc.
yes my assertion is that hip-hop is not a wholly new style of music aside from vocal delivery.
>he's a white guy explaining the difference between hip hop and rap
>>64145279
>band has 2 long boys
>>64147069
you dont think dalek is rapping over techno music? the songs I just heard from the new album sure as hell sounded like that to me.
>>64146949
There's a big difference between a single artist that experiments and saying "hip hop is really techno, you faggots, deal with it". That's just the kind of comedy that can't be written.
>>64147036
You're fucking retarded thanks for outlining what they do, oh wow you're so fuckin smart. Great job refuting my point.
Get the fuck off this board then go neck yourself
>>64147210
well actually I said electronic music is techno deal with it but yeah technically you could say thats my assertion as well
>>64147107
You're assertion was nothing like that. Anyway no one really claims hip hop is a wholly new style. All music styles are based on older styles and hip hop particularly is sample heavy and derivative. That doesn't make it jazz or rnb and it doesn't make it synonymous with rap.
>>64146910
>hip-hop in and of itself conveys literally nothing just like most if not all other genres.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. A word doesn't mean anything without a definition.
>rap is even more useful of a genre name because of this. it tells you literally what the genre consists of.
It only tells you one particular aspect of the music, and not all hip hop music has rapping in it
>>64146925
>Rap is a subgenre of HipHop
No it's not.
J Dilla would be considered instrumental hip hop and Wiz Khalifa would generally be considered pop rap.
>>64147397
>That doesn't make it rnb
what in the fuck. I'm very far from an aficionado but I have no doubt there are literally countless songs that are strictly rnb with rapping over it. Therefore those songs are simply called rap because that is the sole difference.
>rap is the vocal style, hip hop is the music and the culture
>>64147092
Are you stupid or what?
All rap is just babbling about bitches and money over a simple beat-its a fact. Name at least one rap song that doesn't talk about bitches and money.
>>64147520
>I'm very far from an aficionado
That's an understatement, but I'm glad you're somewhat self-aware.
>have no doubt there are literally countless songs that are strictly rnb with rapping over it. Therefore those songs are simply called rap
No, they would be called RnB.
>>64147873
Are there not literally countless songs that are strictly rnb with rapping over it?
>>64147809
I can never tell if people are being serious or just baiting when they say shit like this
>>64146080
Is this Loss?
>>64147924
If by that you mean RnB with no singing vocals whatsoever and only rapping, then no. That doesn't exist.
If you mean RnB that has rapping or hip hop influences, then yes. There are countless of examples.
>>64147809
Kill yourself
>>64148023
And so much more
That image is like 6 levels of irony, my dude
>>64148158
I was just trying to move into specific examples so lets start with what I'm listening to now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiY_iKSpWLM
That is literally techno with rapping over it.
>>64147809
>It's another tripfag wanting attention
>>64148308
This is not techno. That is trap music. You've clearly never listened to a techno song.
Here are some examples of actual techno music, so you'll stop calling all electronic music and hip hop techno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGArUy-qac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVf0OwyjCo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevUFO2moZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tWn2vRvFzI
>>64148698
just for starters, if a song uses a drum machine but no guitars then its techno. not to even mention the other techno elements of that song with the synthesizers. techno is not a style its a method.
>That is trap music.
Do I really need to dignify this? How new is this term?
>>64148882
>if a song uses a drum machine but no guitars then its techno
>>64148938
maybe I'm missing something but I'm making exceptions for industrial metal like big black, ministry, etc.
and technically industrial is just code for techno
>>64148882
Stop trying to force your made up bullshit on people like it's a fact
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
Welcome to /mu/ get out
>>64148882
Holy shit, how many chromosomes does it take to get to the center of a moronic delusion this impenetrable? Seriously, what the fuck do you listen to, Kidz Bop? How is anyone this clueless about music? Either you're 14 or you're trolling the shit out of us all.
>>64148977
you're using a nonstandard definition of the term techno. the term is typically used to refer to a certain kind of electronic music which is quite different from hip-hop. there's really no debating it beyond that.
>>64149016
>>64149023
genres in general are pretentious and this is just an example
its all literally just chamber music
>>64149080
in those examples its code for techno
>>64149115
Are you actually retarded?
>>64149172
it is, you might as well call industrial metal just techno metal. it conveys the same thing and actually is probably more accurate.
anyways its just a difference of opinion that genres in general are pretentious and hip-hop is just one of the more extreme examples both in meaning and prevalence.
>>64149172
No you are for responding.
>>64148882
>if a song uses a drum machine but no guitars then its techno
>techno is not a style its a method
Holy shit, this is fucking embarrassing. I was hoping that my post would help you come to some understanding of music genres, maybe even lead you to at least read a fucking Wikipedia article on these specific genres that you know nothing about. Now I've realized that there's no helping you. You're just making up you own definitions based on nothing.
God damn, I really hope I'm just falling for well-crafted bait.
>>64149264
Maybe if you had any clue how genres work youd see how useful they are
>>64149054
>>64149115
> its all literally just chamber music
> code for techno
>>64148938
that is so fucking minimalistic
>all hip hop has rapping
>>64152544
>all plunderphonics is hip hop
>>64152544
>j dilla
starting now
turntabling?
I think I'm even hearing beastie boys on track 5 the new?
>>64152787
Never said that. There is no John Oswald or Negativland on there. Instrumental hip and turntablism are rooted in hip hop from the start and very definitive, different styles of the hip hop umbrella.
>>64148882
>pardners everyone
>>64148882
>a song uses a drum machine but no guitars then its techno
ahahahahahahaha
>>64152807
>brought him a Boss SP-303 sampler and a small 45 record player so he could make music
>make music
>>64146384
It was either started as a ghetto meme then picked up by the ironic meme community or created by ironic memers, I'm not sure
>>64145279
>calls music "art"
>>64152882
>>64152939
then give me examples
and I already conceded that industrial metal might as well just be called techno metal
>>64152992
its like you guys have never interacted with a black person
>>64152544
>dj shadow
starting now
this is called symphonic funk you plebs
>>64152827
Since I Left You and Carpal Tunnel Syndrome aren't hip hop though, both are pluderphonics.
>>64153198
lol, Kid Koala is hip hop through and through
>>64153022
>>64153139
this whole thread is b8
>he calls DJing turntablism
>>64153475
>>64153500
its true
whats the difference
its even in his name DJ shadow wtf
>>64153475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3CovIKJWE
This is just getting worse and worse
