>50 years of popular music
>still haven't surpassed the original masterpieces
What went wrong /mu/?
>>64072599
>Captain Memeheart
>masterpiece
hahaha...no
>>64072599
punk
>>64072646
that's true
>>64072625
Explain how it isn't a masterpiece.
>>64072599
Another Green World came out 25 years ago
>freak out
>masterpiece
lmao
It's a good album but it ain't no masterpiece.
Shoulda picked Hot Rats or Lumpy Gravy instead
>>64072693
>Shoulda picked Hot Rats or Lumpy Gravy instead
who's the pleb here?
Is dadavant officially recognized as a meme yet?
>>64072714
You are
>>64072646
>>64072675
>implying this isn't better than every record in OP
>>64072599
one of those is a 9/10
That's it
>>64072723
nice one, Zawinul
>>64072732
It isn't
There are much, much better post-punk albums out there
>>64072646
eat shit.
>>64072723
you're getting more annoying every day.
>>64072646
objectively wrong; punk produced quite a few masterpieces
>>64072741
?
Who's Zawinul? Joe Zawinul, the guy who worked with Davis?
>>64072744
Says the guy who replied to a post he didn't like with "eat shit". What a fucking joke
>>64072732
embarrassing
>>64072677
Oh really? 1991? Interesting.
Idiot.
>>64072693
Freak Out's use of tape towards the end of the album is what makes it great.
>>64072740
And I'm sure you know a lot about music history.
>>64072742
>Pink Flag
>post-punk
lmao
>>64072765
oh...?
>>64072744
>>64072765
don't take those prog geeks too serious.
>>64072772
Fair enough. But Zappa went on to really do some fantastic shit with musique concrete later on that outshined Freak Out. You may as well have posted We're Only In It instead.
>>64072789
Oh god not that meme opinion that Pink Flag is "art punk" again
All of you people don't have a background in music history, you are unqualified to talk about an album's place in music history unless you do.
>>64072820
When We're Only In It came out, Tomorrow Never Knows and Mr. Kite already were released. Tape music was in the open officially and so his experiments became less interesting.
>>64072820
it's vanilla punk rock you dork.
>>64072772
more than you if you think any of those albums you listed are 10/10 masterpieces
>>64072820
What's some of his good music concrete stuff?
>>64072849
Where did you study?
>>64072742
I agree it's shit but it's called art punk m8
>>64072845
Fair enough. What about Lumpy Gravy?
>>64072848
Oh sure go read the lyrics and come back to me
>>64072858
I'm no expert on Zappa but as I mentioned earlier, his three albums are rock-musique and of course Lumpy Gravy
>>64072858
I imagine he's talking about Lumpy Gravy and Uncle Meat. Though again, that was after tape music went mainstream so I'd argue they're not very significant.
>>64072861
MSU and you?
The best Zappa album is Civilization Phaze III desu senpai
>>64072875
>What about Lumpy Gravy
Arguable. Personally I just find it a rather boring release. No real form or anything to it. But then again it's the same with Schaffeur.
It definitely is a more indepth execution than Freak Out but it's also a more classical one.
>>64072883
FSU, that's funny.
You haven't supported your statements.
>>64072901
Get the fuck out newtrip.
>>64072875
i know the lyrics, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
>>64072772
>embarrassing
nice argument
Freak Out isnt even Top 10 Zappa btw
>>64072918
1. You never explained why a mediocre, unimaginative Post Punk album is better than any of the innovative albums I posted.
2. You didn't explain why Freak Out isn't Top10 Zappa and likely won't.
3. You're probably 16-19 years old.
>>64072883
Your college is a fucking joke
>>64072765
especially the one that goes 1 2 3 4 (guitars start playing 3/4 chord riffs in 4/4)
What do you mean/ expect when you say surpass?
If they're masterpieces in their respective little corners of music, why expect that later works in the same field should have surpassed heights that were defined as the pinnacle by these prior works, and even then why, if no work has surpassed them, claim that this means something's wrong? Perhaps plenty more works come closer now to achieving that level than ever before, but due to the ground being as yet unbroken at the time of their creation, these four works were able to make the no longer existent strides that cemented their place as masterworks.
If you mean they're masterpieces when looking at music as a whole then how do you gauge that, and how do you establish equivalency between 4 vastly different endeavours in such a vague field as "music"; by which guidelines do these four equally stack up as being masterpieces.
>>64072948
>Pink Flag
>mediocre, unimaginative
name one album that sounds even something approximating Pink Flag in 1977 you fucking faggot
>>64072599
How are they 'the original' anything?
>>64072903
If you're talking about pioneering then sure, Freak Out is better. But if you're looking from a direct point of view and ignoring the annoying historical context baggage then his later works are better.
That's my opinion at least
>>64072907
They aren't punk rock at all. The only thing that's punk about it is the composition and instrumentation. In terms of how it's presented and executed it's more logical and well mannered than the average punk rock album
Nothing went wrong, Rock Music's masterpiece came out in 2001 (Ayahuasca). These three other albums are fairly new and they are not to be taken lightly either.
>>64072952
let the big boys discuss things here Timmy
>>64072693
Usual trip being dumb
If it wasn't for that album your beloved prog wouldn't have been a thing
>>64072952
Depends on the MSU he means. Michigan State is a very good uni.
>>64072961
There are no rock albums that have met their level of creativity.
>>64072971
Brian Eno and TVU did their shit prior. The Wire offered no meaningful musical innovations.
>>64072983
I know its a fucking joke because I went there
>>64072995
>what is in the court of the crimson king
Sure
>>64072599
oh man, another green world is fucking overrated tripe. i mean, so are most things on this board but shit, what is even the appeal
>>64073001
And you probably majored in art retard lol
>>64073011
Did you listen to the album? It's probably the first actually example of "classical" rock. It's a rock that is meaningfully structured, developed upon with precision and virtuosity.
>>64072975
you know nothing about punk rock, dude. stick to your shitty wannabe-art-music.
>>64073011
>WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE SOMETHING I DON'T
>>64073000
>Brian Eno and TVU did their shit prior. The Wire offered no meaningful musical innovations.
Christ you're clueless
>>64073033
Ok now I know this is bait
Good job you made me reply seriously a few times
>>64073037
p much, yeah
>>64072599
Beefheart is not that great IMO.
>>64073030
welcome to Pet Sounds and Smile which aren't even that similar to each other yet both still fufill all those requirements
>>64073060
fuck your shitty opinion
>>64073043
Give a musical innovation by The Wire.
>>64073070
Brian Wilson's music was crude, often very sloppily sung/structured. It's not equivalent to the precision by Eno and his band.
>>64073060
SACRELIGE!
I'm kidding. I can't stand him.
>>64073000
>the wire
>>64073060
Explain how he isn't.
>>64072599
lol what is another green world doing there
>>64073081
>The Wire
>>64073092
>>64073109
Any time you want to stop shitposting and actually provide a musical innovation I'm all ears.
>>64073105
It's the best record on there, by quite some margin, so I can understand your confusion. I don't know either.
>>64073123
Obviously not if you think those albums are masterpieces
>>64073043
>>64073092
>>64073109
samefag
don't try to sidetrack the conversation. just admit they're shit.
Everytime proge annoys me I just remember he's a ugly gook and I feel happy
>>64073140
You're saying Pink Flag had no innovations?
>>64073144
>samefag
>two replies are to two different posts
kill yourself or kill your low-quality posting.
>>64073154
Ad hominem
Nice!
>>64073144
>this band is very well liked
>especially on this board
>but i don't like them
>so it's more likely that 3 people are samefagging
>>64073157
>>64073159
oh my god, >>64073144 has you retards on the fucking ropes
>>64073164
Nah, I'm not the one in an argument with you. I'm just stating a fact.
>>64073192
>ugly
Subjective
>gook
Meaningless insult
Good job you contributed to the quality of this board
Still waiting for how Pink Flag was an innovative record.
>>64073217
you know what kind of bullshit responses you're gonna get. nobody has anything. because pink flag is ass.
>>64073214
>Meaningless insult
> noun
North American informal, offensive
A foreigner, especially a person of SE Asian descent.
>>64073214
>ugly
>subjective
Nah it's pretty meaningful, Gook men are fucking annoying and ugly, objectively
I'm sure music is subjective too, right champ?
Here's a good reason AGW is on the chart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxyg3sP03Cs
>>64073241
Still a meaningless insult for insecure whitey cucks to use
If you have any respect for yourself at least insult me over something more interesting please
>>64073260
Pretty bad bait honestly
They told me that the classics never go out of style, but they do, they do.
>>64073272
>buck teeth
>greasy hair
>shit eye sight
>acne
>most likely small penor
proge just accept that you're ugly
>>64073272
>attempting to insult others with "whitey"
why so desperate, though
>>64073302
>i'm such a shallow person i judge others based on looks
Anyways I've had plenty of people unironically compliment me on my apperances before, in case you didn't realize (which is impresssive and goes to show how fucking stupid you are) I've stated multiple times that the photo you've seen was an awful shot and I've posted better ones to back that up
Take your insecurities and your bait elsewhere because you aren't getting anymore (You)s from me
>>64073321
Now that's what I call projecting!
No more (You)s for you either btw
>>64073217
he already said that nothing in 77 'sounded' even close to them. isn't that little piece of utter non-information enough to change your mind? what a fucking pleb.
>>64073364
:^)
>>64073364
that was the only (you) you've given me, as I've only just joined the conversation. The point is, nobody in the entire world is insulted by "whitey," so why would you even attempt unless you were desperate af fampai
>>64073379
>he already said that nothing in 77 'sounded' even close to them.
Why is that?
What innovations did they have?
>>64073387
The point is, nobody in the entire world is insulted by "gook," so why would you even attempt unless you were desperate af fampai
This piece of text can be applied to basically every derogatory word ever
>>64073402
i have no idea. i couldn't get past 'sounded'.
Even I got 36 Chambers, you're very stupid.
>>64073443
oh missed where you called that "non-information"
us against the world of plebs, my friend
big up to the "music history" students ITT pretending to be real academics and to have any authority on the quality of music based on that
>>64072599
Ummm, you okay OP?
>>64073475
It's not about the quality of the music, it's about whether it brings new ideas to the table, which having an education definitely helps with, idiot.
>>64073483
This
Also Spiderland, F#A# and SFTB
>>64073483
>>64073522
Are all insignificant, since minimal rock music was done 20 years before by Can, Eno, etc.
I like taking tiger mountain more
>>64073532
You aren't telling me that Eno has done anything similar to Spiderland right?
Come on I like all the albums in the OP (two of them are 10/10s for me) but this is just ridiculous
>>64073464
don't forget me, famalams. we can be the vocal anti-pink flag coalition
>>64073569
Spiderland is just Sky Saw with shifting meters and "le angst aesthetic" which is not significant.
>>64073595
>le angst aesthetic
Come the fuck on
This has to be bait
>>64073613
How is it b8? Explain how my musical examination of Spiderland is wrong.
>>64073496
anybody can easily get an education in music history, especially when it comes to popular music. there is a plethora of sources available right here on the internet for everyone. no reason to you think you're the shit just because you had a popular music history class in your university.
>>64073790
So few actually do take advantage of those resources and learn about music from 1000AD-modern day though.
Besides you can learn anything today. Khan Academy.
![220px-MyBloodyValentineLoveless[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J6EPSZt.jpg "220px-MyBloodyValentineLoveless[1].jpg")
I sincerely believe that this is rock's masterpiece.
For me its the absolute perfect album.
It's like the ultimate interception of melody with noise
The sounds that are going on are always massively dense, there's so much to explore in the music that you can hear different things every time you play it, even after years of listening. Its like other music is 2D and loveless is 3D.
>>64073532
dude what?
another green world is art / glam rock
how is it minimal in anyway
>>64073937
>creative use of noise
what is VU a quarter of a century before MBV
>>64073975
this is quite minimal wouldn't you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4VgKbe-juA
certainly isn't rock to me.
The album has more of a duality between the rock songs and the minimal ones like this and
>>64074224
WLWH is another of my favourites but I prefer Loveless still. I love both albums a great deal
>>64072723
>I know you are but what am I
>>64074414
OP intended this as a most innovative albums thread, my African American.
