Why 95% of guitar players are males?
wimin biological sandwihc
>>64044730
women don't have to learn a skill to get laid
Because playing guitar is hard and females aren't willing to invest in hard things unless it goes inside them.
because 95% of people are men
Are they?
patriarchy
What activities have more women than men participating? Knitting and scrapbooking are the only things I can think of.
>>64044730
Because our culture is inherently sexist towards females.
This a) discourages them from picking up instruments that men have a monopoly on playing
and b) means that women who play guitar are less likely to get recognition, less likely to be taken seriously and/or less likely to be seen as having the money making potential to be promoted and become popular, therefore, we tend not to hear about most of them because they tend not to break out of underground scenes
>>64044800
School teachers are mostly women
Psychology students are about 70% women
>>64044800
School teachers, Nurses, Psych students, Pornstars
>>64044730
Ignoring the /r9k/ crossposters, it's mainly because rock is a relatively male dominated style of music, and it's uncomfortable to be in a four piece band where everyone but you is the opposite gender. I'm a guy, and have worked with all female line ups, and it's weird.
There are female guitar players though, just not in the mainstream rock bands really.
I personally know at least two chicks that play guitar pretty well though, and gig regularly with a bassist who's female, so I'm not sure what to tell you really.
Most musicians are males
>>64044818
lol yes "institutionalized sexism"
Fuck you that's bullshit, there's no guy just sitting there passing judgement on girls for trying to learn instruments, and even if there are guys have to deal with the same bullshit.
Institutionalized sexism can exist but it's not nearly as big of a factor as your lefty cucksites will make you believe. The reality of the situation is that girls tend to avoid these hobbies, not out of fear of persecution, but simply because it doesn't appeal to them.
One could say "well that's because there's no good role models for women in music." which is more bullshit because there's plenty of them. Feminists will force you to believe that someone is inherently one gender despite their bio, but if you imply that people tend to have a predisposition for interests they'll lose their shit
>>64044730
Takes effort.
>>64044818
>Implying a women of equal ability to a man at guitar wouldn't get a shitload more attention.
>>64044979
>implying solo guitarists really ever get much attention no matter the gender
The only guitarist that people not looking for instrumentalists is going to know is joe satriani, and that's just because of satch boogie.
Apart from him and maybe Steve Vai, if you're not in a band, no-one's going to really know who the fuck you are.
>>64044730
Learn english.
Also, that's false.
>>64044818
this is correct
>>64045024
What about people like Neil Young, Bryan Adams and Bob Dylan?
>>64044934
You're right that girls technically have all the opportunities available to them to learn guitar, but music is still culturally sort of a boy's club. As OP said, 95% of guitar players are males. It takes extra emotional effort for a girl to a pick up a guitar because shes forced into a position of standing out, even if it may seem welcoming to everyone else. By your logic, you could argue that 95% of dancers are girls just because guys don't like dancing, but if it was about a 50/50 split, I think things would be different.
Pretty ridiculous how people on mu like to pretend subtle cultural undertones don't affect people, especially when everyone on this board seems to think that women are fundamentally incapable of understanding art. If, hypothetically, there was a girl that did, in fact, understand art, she'd be told that she either had shit taste or was simply listening to weird music to show that she's "not like the other girls" and present a fake persona. Do you honestly believe those kinds of assumptions, implicit or explicit, don't affect the women's motivation to learn music at all?
>>64044934
I don't think you understand. Rock music became popular at a time when it was basically impossible to be a woman and play any sort of rock instrument. The reason it doesn't appeal as much to them is BECAUSE of the male dominated history of rock music. So women musicians have been promoted by the corporate industry only if they fall outside the context of traditional male dominated rock music. Hence female folk acoustic singers, the rise in girl pop/synth pop stuff. It is also again because it doesn't appeal to them to try to compete with a field that is stacked against them. Of course that has been slowly changing since the late 70's.
If you don't think the male dominated history of rock music has affected in any way the willingness of females to play rock music themselves I don't think you understand how social psychology works.
The argument shouldn't be "whether I stitutionalized sexism exist", but "whether institutionalized sexism matters".
Men and women are inherently different creatures and neurologically behave completely differently, obviously the implications of their behaviour will be reflected in the macro-scale of society.
Trying to change that is retarded.
>baby's first logic
>>64045024
I never said anything about the guitarist being in a band or solo. What does that have to do with anything?
Women get praised more than men for being of the same standard.
>>64045060
It's crazy how being female vocalist is somehow considered a "genre". It only further emphasizes the point that being a woman in the music industry is considered exceptional and that humans' natural fear of standing out is what is causing a lot of potentially talented women to stay the fuck away.
>>64045094
>Women get praised more than men for being of the same standard.
what is your empirical evidence for this? besides your obviously flawless armchair social psychology experience
>>64045050
You know you could have simply reduced your diatribe to "its the patriarchy"
>>64045060
>The reason it doesn't appeal as much to them is BECAUSE of the male dominated history of rock music.
Prove it.
>So women musicians have been promoted by the corporate industry only if they fall outside the context of traditional male dominated rock music.
What are you talking about. Artists get promoted if the label can make money out of them.
>It is also again because it doesn't appeal to them to try to compete with a field that is stacked against them.
It's not a competition between the genders who can dominate the industry. The conpeititon is being the better musician.
>>64045048
You mean the people that are all singers and in bands? I don't get your point anon.
>>64045094
Because guitarists only get famous if they're in famous bands apart from those few I mentioned. Skill level has nothing to do with it, nor does gender.
There's plenty of bands with female singers or instrumentalists that don't get any praise though, despite them being pretty good.
But honestly, rock as a whole has been male dominated for ages, and it's nearly impossible to gel with a group that's entirely the opposite gender. I know, I've tried it several times, I can't work with a group of all women, it's uncomfortable and kind of weird, and when I play with male only groups, the women we've hired at points, who were quality members, felt uncomfortable and ended up not working out.
>>64045099
Exactly. And likewise if Grimes was a man he probably would have been laughed at for being too girly and not a 'real' musician. Because we have a whole bunch of expectations of what genders should and shouldn't do in the music business. The reason girl pop is becoming so mainstream again is that it fits within our current social boundaries of what women in music can do and also pushes the boundaries slightly in terms of female empowerment and individualism. Which of course coincides with current rise in pro-feminist youth.
>>64045099
Why is it crazy? Don't you know what a genre is?
>hat humans' natural fear of standing out is what is causing a lot of potentially talented women to stay the fuck away.
Who? Prove it.
>>64045050
/mu/ is an awful example of anything because it's literally a bunch of social outcasts attempting to sound cool.
Realistically though, if there's no one actively trying to stop them from learning then what is the problem? Right now, besides extreme cases I don't think there's anyone actively trying to stop girls from playing guitar, and if you disagree you probably would prefer an environment that panders to women/girls. I don't think it has anything to do with emotional effort, it's a matter of what a person will enjoy or what is available to them (whether or not they were able to pick up an instrument, or take dance classes.)
We need to move past this "oh women don't have a fair shot at things" bs because it's detrimental towards that 50/50 split you talk about. I'm not saying we can't put more women on the cover of guitar magazines and stuff because we could, but to say that two middle class families with two kids the same age but different genders don't have the same opportunities to pick up an instrument would be asinine.
Tl;dr If someone has a genuine interest in something they'll do it, especially in the internet age.
Also there are plenty of "fake" people in the world, male and female, and personally I don't discriminate if I think someone is liking something just for cool points
>>64045120
You clearly didn't understand my points at all and are incapable of thinking past a certain intellectual boundary in your head. Read through what I have said again and have a think and get back to me.
>>64045113
What are your qualifications to be having this conversation friend?
There's a lot of girl guitar players though you may not be looking in the right place. Females are more into the singer/songwriter genre. Example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o84y-5-cO0
I challenge anyone to find me someone who is genuinely afraid of going into the music industry because of make domination.
I challenge anyone to find me someone who cannot become a good musician because they are female.
I challenge anyone to find me someone who cannot be commercially recognised because they are female.
>>64045163
claims* :^)
>>64045050
I'm always reminded of the fact that if women spent less time bitching and complaining about inequality and male oppression, and more time DOING THE WORK, perhaps they'd find themselves in the positions they seem to so desperately seek.
But then that leaves me to question, in this particular case, whether or not they merely like the IDEA of playing the guitar and would rather make excuses about why they won't learn to play. But hey, the world certainly doesn't need any more musicians -- especially ones who's hearts aren't truly in it.
Take it from a musician -- if you really wanted to play... you'd fucking play
>>64045187
>it must be 100% one way or 0% the other way to be true or not
>>64045216
Oh. You can't find anyone. Oh dear.
>>64045154
I completely agree that, technically, yes, they have the same opportunities. But there's still that disproportionate amount of males that OP is talking about. I'm fairly certain there's nothing in a woman's physiology that makes her fundamentally opposed to learning the guitar or uninterested in music. Given that, I was trying to theorize WHY there isn't a 50/50 split. I'm not trying to propose any major social upheavals or pander to women in any way, because BOTH genders have their own unique problems. I'm simply pointing out a cultural bias in society, which is the same bias that causes less men to be teachers or nurses, thus answering OPs question.
>>64045216
>but it's a subconscious fear! they don't actually know they're afraid!
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>>64045227
>>64045245
I'm saying that that's a stupid way to try to justify your opinion. The world doesn't work in black and white. Just because it's technically always possible for someone to be recognised commercially for their music doesn't mean that it's a 50% chance... And we should all know that even if you are talented, regardless of gender, it's still not a 50% chance. So don't you think there are other social phenomena and economic reasons at play? You don't think the male dominated history of popular rock music makes any difference at all?
>>64045288
All I'm asking for is some proof that it makes a difference.
>empirical
>scientific
>proof
>>64045288
>other socio-economic reasons?
Yes, and male oppression would be a very tiny fraction of the cause. Social norms? Perhaps, but this comes back to the fact that if someone has a true passion for an instrument, they'll play regardless of stigma/societal expectations.
But the more weak-minded musicians that are weeded out, the better
>>64045288
>You don't think the male dominated history of popular rock music makes any difference at all?
Not today, no. It's people like you that make imaginary fears and boundaries for women when women have all the opportunity in the world in modern times.
>There aren't more female programmers because sexism and male dominated field
Literally NOTHING is stopping them and absolutely encouraged and even celebrated in modern society.
I'll even go as far as to say it's more socially accepted for a woman to be in a male dominated field than for a man to be in a female dominated field e.g. nursing.
>>64044818
I distinctly remember the girls in my highschool that played guitar being worshipped as musicians.
They were garbage compared to the guys that played.
People were probably just kissing their asses because they wanted to fuck them though.
>>64045288
Why does it matter that it makes a difference, if it does?
How are you going to "fix" these reasons?
How can you possibly measure a balance that takes into account the inherent psychological differences between the sexes?
How can you possibly measure the extent to which these reasons have taken effect?
Have you considered the economic implications of the slightest tiniest miscalculation?
How do you justify
>>64045311
>>64045331
>>64045344
>All these people incapable of seeing how social structures, gender norms and capitalism influence the way our society works and the way our music industry works
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>>64045060
>social psychology
Reminder psychology is not a science.
Reminder psychology was male dominated but is now a female dominated field in terms of employees and students because it appeals to them.
Reminder women generally don't find hard sciences appealing which is why you see them often in soft ones.
>>64045377
>I don't have back up anything I'm just right
This is why nobody takes your movement seriously.
>>64044818
>>64044861
>Who was D'arcy?
>Who was Kim Gordon?
>Who was Patti Smith?
>Who was Hayley Williams?
>Who was Amy Lee?
>Who was Courtney Love?
There have been plenty of female rock stars. You are sexist for not recognizing iconic figures such as those mentioned above just to fit your narrative.
>>64044759
>playing guitar is hard
LOL
>>64045391
Female rock stars exist. But far more male rock stars exist, to point where making a list would just be ridiculous. It's like trying to make a list of white musicians.
>>64045024
I disagree, John Frusciante is quite well known and he never sung lead on a RHCP song. Noel Gallagher too (prior to his solo career)
>>64045382
>tumblr
>literally can't properly format
ITT:
>tumblr tries their best to avoid proving their claims
>tumblr tries their best to avoid reasoning why their claims matter
>tumblr tries their best to avoid providing a valid solution for their claims
Nothing out of the ordinary for an SJW thread.
>>64045377
>societal structures
You mean the ones that are pathologically obsessed with equality and diversity? We are talking about the present time, correct?
>gender norms
I've already acknowledged that fact in my post, so perhaps you misunderstood
>capitalism
Do you honestly think that capitalism... fucking capitalism... has anything to do with the lack of female guitarists? Save it for your special-interest group-meetings. And btw, make sure to tell all of the young aspiring female musicians about the oppressive nature of the patriarchal capitalist oppression
>>64045390
Sorry, but I got bored of trying to answer all these people who can't see the big picture and instead focus on tiny details and cling to them as proof that sexism doesn't exist even when they don't prove anything at all
>>64044861
>it's uncomfortable to be in a four piece band where everyone but you is the opposite gender.
Unless you know each other. What kind world do you live in? I'd be uncomfortable in a band where I didn't know anyone, not because they're girls.
>>64045390
Recognizing biases in everyday life isn't a movement. It's just part of understanding what it means to function in society, and getting a sense of what is and isn't considered socially acceptable. These tiny biases can have tangible effects in the macro world, like the smallpopulation of female guitarists. Things fall apart when SJWs put labels on it like "feminism" or "egalitarianism", which cause people to pretend that sexism just doesn't exist, because SJWs are inherently stupid and wrong. Since when did acknowledging the fact that the difference between men and women is largely a "nurture", not "nature", issue become so ridiculous and unheard of?
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>>64045408
>Female rock stars exist. But far more male rock stars exist
That is true but my point was debunking the point of the anon that women in rock aren't recognized. Regardless, there are far more female pop stars than male pop stars. We could argue reasons why but it just is what it is, there's no 'sexism' involved in the bigger picture as to why there are differences.
> It's like trying to make a list of white musicians
Are you racist? There are many successful musicians of all races. Hip hop is dominated by the African American demographic, just as early blues is/was. But I guess you being the true racist all you focus on is 'muh evil whites' 'muh oppression' to see successful minorities.
>>64045465
>muh evil white oppression
lol wut?
don't put words in my mouth, silly goose
>>64045439
>the burden of proof is only on the person I disagree with
>>64045451
>claims to have any psychological understanding
>says shit like "the difference between men and women is largely a "nurture", not "nature", issue"
Maybe you should take a course on neurology before you make claims like that.
>you know, a science, you don't pay attention to science much do you?
>>64045489
And you have taken a course on neurology yes?
>>64045485
But I never made a claim.
You made a claim.
Prove it.
>>64045451
>These tiny biases can have tangible effects in the macro world, like the smallpopulation of female guitarists.
So now you're blaming "tiny biases"? You claim there aren't more female guitarists because of history. Then explain the rise in female psychology students, since that was once a male dominated field.
These "tiny biases" if there are or aren't, are not an issue. They are non-existent in the force of someone who wants to become a musician. Your exaggerations of these so-called biases is one that's creating a culture of fear.
>>64045495
Yes. :^)
>>64045451
>nature vs nurture
Had you left it at "social norms" and not brought male/capitalist oppression into the picture, I think the criticism would have been much more well-received.
Perhaps 60 years ago, you'd have a case for the social-stigma argument
>>64044730
disregarding all the bullshit, strawman, ad hominem arguments I'm seeing in this thread, the answer really depends on whether you believe interest in music is a fundamental quality you're born with or something you learn as you grow up, or a combination of the two. i don't understand how the second and third camps suddenly became degenerate tumblr-core, because people assume you're talking about evil male oppressors.
>>64044741
Are you an angry man?
>>64045512
the "capitalism" guy wasn't me famalam
not all lefties are the same
>>64045513
But that's exactly what she's talking about.
>read the thread
>>64045481
>Avoids the entire argument
Good thing you're doing a degree dominated in a field of the left :^)
Btw I'm not putting words in your mouth, your comment of 'It's like trying to make a list of white musicians' is you trying to convey that whites dominate the music industry because of systematic racism or some other SJW buzzword.
>>64045526
Ah... well then remove "capitalism" from my post, famalamadingdong
>>64045535
js that its easier to make a concise list of native american punk bands than white punk bands, for example. maybe i didn't phrase it well, genuinely my bad.
>x dominates y field
>must be discrimination
Why is this the only explanation to feminists? Females dominate the the fashion industry because of sexism against males.
Blacks dominate the hip hop genre because of racism against whites.
Ugh.
>>64045555
Nice shifting the goal posts.
>its that its easier to make a concise list of Peruvian pan flute bands than white pan flute bands
Fuck you guitar fags. Piano is better. This thread is proof.
>>64045588
95% of people ITT probably don't even play guitar
>>64045588
It's funny, I've been debating this for the past 30 minutes, and generally speaking, I hate the fucking guitar.
Piano>>>guitar
>>64045391
I never claimed there wasn't female rockstars though, I said it was relatively male dominated.
>>64045417
Frusciante was in the chili peppers though, and literally everyone knows Oasis. Why are you posting guitarists from massively famous bands to disprove my point that guitarists only get famous if they're in famous bands, with very few exceptions?
>>64045434
Nah, it's still a bit weird. But most of the time you don't really know the people you're playing with that well to start with, most bands are one or two people that know each other, and people who audition for the spots.
>>64045535
its not really avoiding the argument when you brought in a tangent unrelated to the actual argument
>>64045609
>>64045588
this
fuck gender politics I'm moving to a different thread
>>64045612
> I said it was relatively male dominated.
Just as the pop genre is relatively female dominated. Are you going to complain and cry sexism over that?
>>64045394
t. someone who can play wonderwall and nothing slightly complex
>>64045584
See:
>>64045527
kys
>>64045639
It was related to the argument. Stop avoiding it because you realize your point is shit and you can't back it up with actual logic. Go back to tumblr or SRS or whatever safe space you came from
OK, can we back up for a minute, and just imagine 100 bands, seeking a guitarist? Got it? Ok, now imagine 100 females/100 males auditioning for these bands, and all 200 of them fit the profile (look) and level of talent that is expected -- I will admit that a female might have to slightly compensate with talent for a lack of looks in some cases.
What would you guess the ratio of M to F would be?
I'm guessing that the females, HANDS DOWN, would take the majority of positions. 70%?
>>64045665
his opinion on white people unrelated to his point about women musicians existing but being ignored largely because of the focus on male ones
and btw the ip count went up when i posted, good job defending your exclusive club with tumblr memes though
woops sorry guys XD I'm just a silly SJW girl. I seem to have made a mistake.
After reading through all your enlightening comments that contain a lot of proof and evidence, it turns out that sexism doesn't actually exist after all and the whole world isn't structured around what will make the most money for big businesses which is not in fact influenced by social norms at all! Therefore our music industry has actually never been influenced by gender or the expectations of how much money women can make in comparison to men in certain genres of music. Also, I now know that I can be taken seriously in any field and earn the same amount as any man. And that jobs that majority women do aren't economically valued less simply because we are women! Also I know that women are just biologically different to men which explains our lack of interest in wanting to become serious guitarists. And of course most of us just end up thinking it's too hard anyway and give up! XD This means that actually myself and my silly female friends can now proceed to view the world as a totally equal and fair place with equal opportunity for all. We are going to form a synth pop band because everyone these days loves cute girls who play synth and sing! It's a good thing that it totally doesn't matter whether I'm good looking or not either and that won't influence our ability to be popular in any way shape or form! Thanks guys :)
>>64045651
But it's not, and I never actually claimed it had anything to do with sexism, you guys just leapt on me and assumed that I was an SJW. I was just stating a reason there's less female guitarists.
I hope all you autistic neckbeards kys
>>64045113
Go to literally any Youtube video of some mediocre girl shredder and you're guaranteed to find an endless amount of comments praising them.
>>64045702
And there it is... the final sarcastic mischaracterization of 90% of the arguments. You may now sanctimoniously exit the thread feeling like a morally superior human
Wow, anon... just wow
>>64045703
The word SJW has become "person I don't like" and is supposed to shut people down so they can't argue back.
What was that green-text story where the "SJW" was literally just a soccer mom?
Is there any social justic at all that isnt a meme?
>>64045113
m8 that's just a fact, whenever a girl is playing something even slightly hard she gets A LOT of praise, as the other anon said look at the comments under any guitar shredding girl video
BUT this is true only for youtube and social media wankery, nobody cares about actually good female guitartists like jennifer batten
>>64045651
>pop is relatively female dominated
if you mean pop superstardom like taylor swift or beyonce, even then youre not correct on that
>>64045715
and youll also see comments like yours saying "all you here only are saying shes good because she is a girl"
>>64045689
The majority would undoubtedly be female. If the females were attractive, I'd say the ratio would be more like 85% female
>>64045757
>>64045689
Yet OP's post still stands
Looks like we've come full circle
>>64045740
>and youll also see comments like yours saying "all you here only are saying shes good because she is a girl"
Doesn't detract from the point that guy was making though. It makes it more obvious if anything.
>>64045152
the number of females that identifies as feminists has been declining due to the radicalization of some members (also known as 'feminazis') that are delusional bitter women that blame men for their failures. most women are rational and don't want to be associated with that. so the last part of you post is not true.
grimes is enjoying mainstream success due to backing from conde nast and it's associated sites and because her las album was a solid and very accessible effort.
>>64045780
>it makes it more obvious if anything
it does make it more obvious that you have your head up your ass if you dont think that there is just as much criticism if not more than praise when it comes to everyone posting them posting mediocre covers on youtube
if anything it would mean more for women because i doubt you would think people were just there to praise some dude because he is a dude playing a guitar, youve seen that a million times because dude with guitar is standard socially
>>64045768
Yes, we've addressed social norms, and from my perspective, it generally ends there. Obviously psychological differences also play a part.
But male oppression? Nope
>>64044800
Singers probably.
>>64045781
image is such a massive part of her appeal, too.
she's a genuinely good musician, but no one could deny the fashion/art shit fits within the scope of whats appropriate for a girl in the music industry. no one is looking at oneohtrix point never for style and makeup inspiration.
>>64045811
its not an active oppression, its more like a passive system that happens to favor men more than women in terms of exposure and success in performing music
>>64045829
>passive
>in other words, it's all in my head
Yeah, no. Again, with the fearmongering.
>>64045811
>male oppression doesn't exist from my perspective or experience, therefore it doesn't exist at all.
>>64045836
passive isnt a synonym for imaginary
>>64045811
The term "male oppression" was only introduced by people here arguing that doesn't exist, trying to straw man the opposing argument. "male oppression" doesn't exist. the idea that one gender in this contemporary western society is OPPRESSED by the other is stupid. pretty much everyone agrees on that, including moderate feminists. issues of gender inequality are far more complicated than "male oppression", yet they still exist and affect both males and females alike.
>>64045842
but "uninvolved" is.
>>64045703
But it is.
You are arguing that the reason there are not as many female rockstars as male rockstars is sexism. Unless you are a different anon..
>>64045829
Sure, it couldn't possibly be that men, in virtually every artistic medium, are simply more ambitious and due to a number of other psychological factors (testosterone??) more likely to produce quality work that doesn't simply follow a rote formula.
And let's not forget the fact that women are part of this "system" of oppression. Lets not pretend that they dont generally hate each other
>>64045740
if you mean pop superstardom like taylor swift or beyonce, even then youre not correct on that
I am correct on that. Females dominate the pop genre. Most of the worlds biggest pop stars have been female
>>64045838
>empty greentext of implications
Typical
>>64045311
http://www.nber.org/papers/w5903
:^)
The real difference between men and women is that women sit around whining about being oppressed (when they have exactly the same opportunities as men) and just do nothing
Men on the other hand get on with it and succeed
>>64045802
I'm kind of having trouble deciphering your clusterfuck of a post but I think we're pretty much agreeing on the same things here.
>guy is a mediocre player, no one gives a shit
>girl is a mediocre player, everyone freaks
Yeah, obviously the majority of that praise is because "HOLY SHIT GURL PLAY GUITAR". It still doesn't go against the claim that dude made about people not holding female guitarists to as high of a standard.
>>64044820
>>64044850
Seriously though what is it with girls and studying psychology?
>>64045884
You don't actually believe that this is the real difference do you?
>>64045734
Yeah, I'm getting that message, it's the same as actual SJW's just calling people white males or racists, it's a way of going "you're wrong", without actually saying why or how they're wrong.
>>64045909
Have you thought that in some cases using these 'buzzwords' is actually way of highlighting a much broader and harder to define power structure that influences our entire economic and social system?
>>64045905
Because thwy want to learn how to manipulate and deflect with more proficiency.
>>64045928
chill brah hes on our side
>>64045907
If women are so weak minded that they're dissuaded from their passion by someone tut-tutting about them being a female guitar player then they don't deserve success in the field
>>64045909
There have been many concise arguments to your illogical opinions. You just dodge them because you can't debate them properly.
>>64045884
kek good b8
>>64045959
>"You"
>>64045955
So you think that the wide statistical data illustrating the difference between the number of successful guitarists who are male vs female is completely explained by women being weak minded?
>>64045994
>the wide statistical data
Stop talking bullshit, you haven't seen any such data whether or not it's true
Anyway there's as much evidence for my claim as there is for yours that women don't succeed because of oppression (none)
Women just want different things in life and are less likely to choose the rock guitarist lifestyle
>>64045959
But there haven't been, I claimed that there's generally less women in rock, someone listed a handful, and I claimed that next to no guitarists get famous outside bands, in response to which someone listed bob dyland and other famous singers or guitarists in bands as proof.
I wasn't even trying to argue, I was giving a reason why I thought there was less famous women guitarists.
friendly reminder that one of the top 3 rock guitar players in history is in fact a woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj8mkh_6eWs
>>64046078
>Kat Trash
>better than Lil Wayne
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TgXL20IoyHM
>>64045928
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that simply calling someone those things doesn't make them wrong, and that we should always attempt to actually address whatever argument is being brought up, instead of just dismissing it on the grounds of "I disagree".
>>64046058
The problem is we are on an anonymous board. People have responded to those ITT claiming its because of sexism. Perhaps people have mistaken you for a reddit tier feminist
>>64045928
it's always this conveniently vague and "hard to define" shadowy force working against minorities and women
yet the only evidence ever is that there are differences among groups, therefore oppression must be the answer!
>ITT: /mu/ gets invaded by EverydaySexism
FUCK OFF. STOP TRYING TO INFILTRATE AND RUIN EVERYTHING.
>>64046163
Yeah, it's the downside of anonymity, conversations involving a few people turn into cluster fucks, where no-one really knows who they're talking to. Poster ID's are great for that reason, same as they have on other boards.
>>64044730
Boys are told from a young age they need to do stuff to get somewhere in life and to get women. Girls are told from a young age they're beautiful princesses who inherently deserve everything. Most discrepancies between the sexes - no matter who they are skewed towards - emerge from this.
Women are inherently more intellectual than men, and by extent are attracted to more intellectual instruments like the piano, harp, violin, etc. instead of rockist "instruments" like the guitar.
>>64045883
Conveniently, not one of you faggots responds to actual proof when you get it handed to you.
>>64045883
>Two decade old figures
>>64045394
Guitar fight crossroads style.... come at me!!!!
