NIN no contest
>>63935293
90s school-shooter chic
>>63935329
why
>>63935293
NIN but when they joined Marilyn on stage it was fun
>>63935436
more better diverse music
Trent Reznor did his own thing and his fans found him.
Manson did what he thought would attract a certain type of fan... he essentially went and found them and targeted them. Kinda cheap †bh
>>63935759
ohhh true I've never thought of it that way bwfore
>>63935500
Yeah but most of it is incredibly bland compared to Manson's stuff.
>>63935293
Ok let's examine things objectively, weight the pros and cons
Manson
>had a complex and relevant message to say about mass culture and the state of the US in the 90s
>used to be a talented, powerful vocalist with a shitload of range
> loads of ideas beyond music itself
>can write very groovy and catchy tunes like it's nobody's business
>ended up making trashy uninspired shit in the latter half of his career
>is now an asshole and a lazy liar, which extends to the way some of his records sound
>had incredible stage presence and a fascinating public persona
>Owes the sound of his best albums to Trent
>Trent
>is much more skillful as far as musical composition and technical know-how go
>is willing to experiment a lot
>made as many hit songs as Manson, but stopped after a while
>has lost all edge and all will to express himself (or maybe stopped having stuff to express altogether) around the same time Manson did
>never really had anything deep or relevant to say, just that he was sad and kinda angry about nothing in particular
>desperately wants to get into the IDM club, which he thinks can only be done by playing soft, gutless, boring music.
>still can do interesting stuff with his electronic equipment
>has always been pretty characterless, but had some fun outbursts on stage early on
>never managed to create an album as impactful, impressive and moving as what Manson did with his help
I'm gonna side with Manson, but I admit he's not as skilled as Trent. I just think that Trent never managed to put all his talent to really good use and that the more proficient he gets, the least inspired his albums are.
>>63935852
it's just that, for me, genuine artistic integrity wins-out over self-promotion and image and all that stuff. even if it is all as brilliantly done as Manson done it
>>63935852
it's actually not fully true
>>63935759
Manson did that but not in a cheap way. He tried to make his songs catchy and to get his message heard, but he also tried to get people to hate him and a good half of his discography is filled with hate against his own fanbase (which they completely overlook).
>>63935902
Bait
>>63935940
Manson had artistic integrity up until the 2000s. Probably more than Trent now has.
It's painfully obvious that Trent wants his music to be taken seriously. To me he's pandering to the IDM crowd just as hard as Manson was pandering to the goth crowd in the 2000s
>>63935293
What is better? my dick into your ass or poop on your mouth? Decide
>>63935964
the best bait is made entirely of true statements
>>63935902
>never managed to create an impactful album
Lol, and Manson did?
Anon have you never heard of The Downward Spiral
s mh
>>63935988
your dick in my ass 100%
post pic pls
>>63935902
>never had anything deep or relevant to say
Clearly you haven't heard of any of his religion-based songs (ie Heresy, Terrible Lie), or Bug Man With A Gun, or the entire fucking Year Zero album
wew lad
>>63935986
>It's painfully obvious that Trent wants his music to be taken seriously.
oh you mean like every fucking musician ever? get the fuck out
>>63936018
yeah I did.
It wasn't as much of a hit as Manson's tryptich was, and that's mostly because it's not as expressive.
I mean, it sure as hell is very meticulous, but as far as self-pitying masturbatory depressive rock goes, it didn't make me feel like wallowing in self-pity half as much as the tear-jerking moments of Mechanical Animals and ACSS.
Marilyn Manson was a gimmick. The only reason he got famous was because he sucked his own dick and dressed like faget in the 90's when that was frowned upon.
>>63936086
No, not like every fucking musician. Most pop artists in fact don't give a shit about that.
>>63936067
I have, and they never struck me as very deep. You're gonna have to explain them to me in detail for me to see how there's an overarching theme lying behind them that connects significantly with other viewpoints and commentaries expressed by him.
Maybe he is insightful after all, but he never demonstrates any point he's trying to make. Manson, on the other hand, loads his lyrics (to the point where it's ridiculous) with tons of cultural references to make you aware that what he's talking about is a real part of your daily experience. With Trent it's all very poetic very vague, very loose.
>>63936126
That's true. And the only reason Trent got famous was because he was angry and sad because of his girlfriend and shitty life, which 20-somethings could easily relate to and still can.
>>63936089
this is the lowest form of bait I've seen on this board hahahaha
>>63935293
trent
>>63936227
He didn't have a gimmick though. All he did was make music.
what'll it be, boys???
>>63936126
tru. tho they both PG rated edgelords brainstoarmed up by semitic label execs as a means to extract easy bux from the millions of teenage fedora tippers who roam America's suburban wastelands
>>63936283
He did have a huge gimmick: his more-or-less pornographic music videos.
>>63936283
>didn't have a gimmick though
keckle
>>63936178
This is ridiculous, you have to be blind/deaf to think that Trent's music didn't have deep cultural references and discussion. Just because his writing is more vague doesn't make it less great. Also wow have you read Manson's biography? His so-called "social commentary" is the biggest bullshit. He was literally just mashing edgy topics and words together to reach a goth/scene teen audience.
>>63936227
Trent got angry because of his shitty deal to TVT. Trent got angry because the one person who took care of him (his grandmother) died. Trent got angry because his only companion - his dog - died. Trent got angry because celebrities like Courtney Love were trashing his name in interviews.
Research before you b8 m8.
>>63936299
pale emperor
I care more about that fun neo-noir aesthetic than I care about feeling smart for listening to smart music.
>>63936299
literally what and litterally who
>>63936299
HM definitely
>>63936355
Trent's gimmick was Manson himself hahahah
>>63936383
>feeling smart
>"I am just a copy of a copy of a copy"
oh yes these lyrics definitely need a Ph.D. Scholar to dissect and understand
>>63936346
wrong; his videos were fine until he brought MM into Starfuckers and instantly made that song edgelord music
>>63936373
Your ignorance of Manson's lyrical topics is to be expected of someone who thinks of Trent's music so highly. In fact the main topic of MM's songs is fame. Not edgy topics, fame. It certainly is treated in an edgy way, but it's usually done with the intent to INSULT goth/scene kids rather than pander to them. Until the 2000s, that is.
He made himself into a parody of every rock star, public figure and pop artist that people respect and hate. That certainly is edgy, but it at leasts serves to make people realize that there's no deep difference between people they idolize and people they revile. Which is worth realizing.
As for the second part of your post, it only confirms what Trent's lyrics are self-obsessed, masturbatory and have no relevancy to the world at large.
>>63936483
wrong, his vids for Closer and Happiness in Slavery were "the shit" because they showed naked people and gore shit, without being made for metalheads specifically.
>>63936526
>fame
And that makes him better than NIN why? Lady Gaga sang about fame and she's on the same "put on a mask to reach the edgy kids" podium. Your point is instantly invalid.
>worth realising
The dude had his biography penned just after his second studio album was released. How fucking self obsessed and self righteous must you be to write it when you're still a newbie to the music scene you claim to be a part of?
>>63936567
wrong; Happiness in Slavery didn't even get a release, bootleg or otherwise, until the Closure videoset, which was like five years later
it wasn't pandering to anyone because other than word of mouth it wasn't at all accesible
>>63936618
That makes him better than NIN because fame is a more general and interesting topic than Trent's own little life.
And yeah, Manson was self-obsessed and pretentious as fuck, but that didn't prevent him from having insight in more things than his own life. In fact he made sure his own life could be made into a general case that people could compare with the life of other public figures.
You're obsessed by Trent's life to the point where you know the ultimately uninteresting details behind his songs.
I think it's time you gave Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood a more careful listen, maybe you'll realize it wasn't worth it after all.
From a purely musical standpoint, Trent is better.
>>63936679
I stand corrected. Then again I will admit that broken is his best work and deserves as much recognition as Manson's early output. But Spiral is just weak. Complex but weak.
>>63936797
I'm a fan of both equally, Antichrist Superstar is one of my favorite albums and yes, it is well layered and has a lot of social and personal commentary, and though I think it's Manson's best I still think it pales in comparison to Trent's work. Dude, you don't have to sing about general topics to be a superior music artist. Any artist can sing about general topics; it takes a truly *good* artist to write a song that can resonate emotionally with its audience and leave itself open for interpretation. As good as Manson's stuff is, the content is very spoonfed to us and therefore isn't as deep.
>>63936894
>Spiral is weak
don't talk to me m8
>>63936978
>and leave itself open for interpretation
that's post-modernist garbage.
Trent's stuff isn't as deep because there's nothing to even spoonfeed to us in the first place. There's nothing but pretty words about his sad little life. If you can resonate with it more easily than with Manson's own sad little life, great for you, but don't claim that the vagueness of his writing makes it deep. If anything it makes it more shallow because it expresses feelings in a less tangible way.
>you don't have to sing about general topics to be a superior music artist
that's the thing, Manson can't be evaluated solely on the grounds of his music, firstly because it isn't entirely his, and secondly because there's more to him than his music and his music is about more than itself and his private experiences.
That alone gives it more depth than Trent's music.
>>63936997
it's weak. it tries to be melodramatic but it's also too restrained to be communicative. It was Trent's intention to make a more level-headed album, but for fuck's sake why would you even consider making a cathartic album about depression that's mild and restrained?
>>63936894
>>63937163
The Fragile is better than TDS.
>>63937163
>nothing to even spoonfeed to us
Please come back once you've actually listened to his stuff with a clearer mind. Year Zero especially.
>can't be evaluated solely on the grounds of his music
But we're talking about who the superior music artist was. All other shit is irrelevant.
>The Downward Spiral
>weak
Like I said before, you need to listen to it again. Again and again. Until you actually can pay attention to it.
>>63936894
>>63936997
TDS and Antichrist Superstar are basically the same album, they're even about the same thing.
>>63937221
it's even worse
even less emotion, even less catchy songs, even less memorable moments, even less insightful lyrics.
but it's got more "clever" stuff happening composition-wise. I guess if you care about that in rock music then it's a good thing.
>>63937163
spiral isn't melodramatic? restrained? lol wtaf
>>63937221
this, although tds is still godtier af
>>63937270
imagine being this ignorant
>>63937255
I listened to the downward spiral a dozen times in different situations looking for that elusive thing all its fans hear in it.
I have yet to hear it.
It's weak. And not even in a striking way. It's not a particularly pathetic display of weakness.
Yeah, now that you mention it Year Zero was fairly deep as far as Anti-Bush records go. it made the notion of America going fascist seem plausible. Too bad Manson had been pointing out fascist tendencies in pop culture since the early 90s in more diverse ways.
But ok, Trent is able to say deep things. Fair enough. Maybe I just can't wrap my head around the fact that people seem to worship the downward spiral.
>But we're talking about who the superior music artist was. All other shit is irrelevant.
How do you even evaluate music when it's not a pure display of musicianship?
if you wanna go that way then sure Trent is better, but I doubt that when you're saying that, you think solely about how he arranges notes.
>>63937264
The Downward Spiral is about public figures?
>>63937280
re-read my post. it IS melodramatic but not enough.
And "restraint" is the exact word Trent used to describe what he was going for
>>63937270
The Fragile isn't as on the nose as TDS is, it's basically what rock bottom sounds like after you've been there. The Great Below is a good example of that.
It sounds more exhausted than TDS because Trent was exhausted at the time, there isn't that sort of brilliant self-destruction there, it was a broken man piecing himself back together.
>>63937443
No TDS and Antichrist Superstar are both about the whole rockstar myth.
>>63937443
>public figures
God, relationships, sex, etc.
It's not all introspective stuff, haha. There are other figures in the album's plot line.
>I have yet to hear it
If you found it in Antichrist Superstar then there's no reason you shouldn't find it in Downward Spiral. Like the above anon said, they're incredibly similar albums.
>Manson
>pointing out fascist trends
It's not about fascism, it's a concept album about the future. Sure it has themes of fascism but that's ultimately not what the album is heavily focused on.
>arranges notes
No, it's about lyrical composition as well. And structure. And themes.
What it isn't about is public image.
>>63937571
That's interesting. Care to point out in what ways Spiral deals with that theme?
>>63937571
>this evaluation of Fragile
This is very accurate. Fragile is like an afterthought of TDS.
>rockstar myth
...not sure that's true for either of them? Maybe AS a little but not TDS.
>>63937626
It doesn't.
>>63937598
>what it isn't about is public image
in Manson's case it very much is.
and if this post
>>63937571
is to be trusted, so is Trent.
>God, relationships, sex, etc...
Then it's probably just me not having any interest in any of those topics. But now that you mention them, they seem to be what most of Manson's dumb teenage fanbase focused on when reading his lyrics (instead of the good stuff about culture).
>>63937667
>maybe AS a little bit
Dude.
DUDE, ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR IS A PARODY OF EVERY GLAM ROCK ALBUM MADE IN THE 10 YEARS THAT PRECEDED IT. THAT'S ITS MAIN TOPIC. IT'S MOSTLY ABOUT THE ROCK STAR PHENOMENON AND THE PSYCHOSIS IT CREATES.
>>63937727
There you go, then.
>Manson's dumb teenage fans
Literally 99% of his fanbase.
>>63937806
Calm down dude, I was joking.
>>63937626
>>63937667
>>63937727
The way I see it is that Antichrist Superstar deals with the whole rock and roll persona myth, not only from the character himself, but also outside perception.
TDS is different because it deals with the rockstar's path of self-destruction in a completely autobiographical way, in that it has the solipsism that a person has in that state of mind. Not only that but Trent was method acting the part while he was writing it, which is what I think makes it more true to form.
Both borrow heavily from Bowie, but I think Manson was closer to Bowie, lyrically-speaking. Yet Trent's account doesn't even break character.
>>63938011
WASP's The Crimson Idol is still the best album of that kind.
>>63938011
>Manson is closer to Bowie
>lyrics wise
Yeah, I can see that. That makes sense.
>Trent's account doesn't break character.
This is true. Does Manson's, though? You're implying it does, what do you mean?
Even if you dislike Trent's music, it's undeniable to impact he had on Antichrist Superstar.
>>63938226
Even Manson has supported this; he says exactly that in his biography.
>>63938112
Manson mocks society and uses a third person view more, I don't really think that level of self-awareness is that true to character, keep in mind that a rockstar has a big ego and one of the core tenets of narcissism is self-centeredness. They were both method acting the part they were trying to play but Reznor's version is more serious.
>>63938266
he also says that he wanted it to sound less harsh but Trent insisted
for once I must say that Trent was based.
>>63938343
>Trent insisted
You clearly haven't read his biography. It was the other way around, dude; Trent wanted to tone it down but Manson was keen on making it more destructive.
>>63938341
Ohhhh that makes sense.
>>63938393
Oh, then fuck Trent in that case
>>63938415
Why?
At one point Manson was crying while recording a song, but everyone else doing the recording production thought it sounded fake and hammy. Kind of a good thing they didn't leave that in.
Trent was trying to make sure the album didn't come off as too gimmicky.
>>63938459
Seeing how entirely based on gimmicks it is, he was wrong. ACSS and MM in general is overacting at its finest.
>>63936299
as the anon who posted this, i think i'd probably pick Hesitation Marks over Pale Emperor, but desu I don't think I ever finished PE. both were pleasant enough.
>>63938502
I think he meant gimmicky as in "trying too hard to play up emotions in recordings", like with the crying.
>>63938413
I just listened to Mr Self Destruct for once in several years it is completely on point.
>>63938580
Thiiiiiis
oh thee edge!
>>63938558
that's funny because Manson said he found ACSS to be very cold and emotionless.
I think it's still his most emotionally powerful album.
And since it's very much a parodic take on glam rock standards, going so far as to cry during a ballad to show how ugly and awkward full displays of emotions can be, would probably have been a good idea.
>>63938593
TDS is one the greatest rock albums ever made. There isn't a single weak track and they all flow into each other.
>>63935293
>In their prime?
Manson.
>Now?
Reznor.
It's that easy.
>>63938840
This.
>>63938870
I think other way around actually
>>63938840
it's heavily underrated imo, definitely better than other famous depression albums like Mellon Collie
>>63938558
>>63938604
>>63938502
>>63938459
>>63938415
>>63938393
>>63938343
>>63938266
>>63938226
>>63938011
>>63939107
How is this even a question?
Trent Reznor is a legit fantastic producer and great songwriter (Not so much lyrics, but melodies, overall composition, etc.)
Marilyn Manson is a fucking hack, he hardly qualifies as a musician. And music is fucking garbage.
>>63938870
>I think other way around actually
Except not really.
In his absolute peak (Antichrist Superstar era), Manson had better live shows, was much better at handling interviews, and his music, especially lyrically, was top-notch. He also had great control over his image.
Now he's all druggy and slow. His live performances are lazy and winded, and his new albums are...pretty terrible, compared to his old stuff.
Trent, on the other hand, was just mostly OK during his peak (TDS). His live performances were great, but didn't have as much theatricality as Manson's did. He also threw a lot more hissy fits and onstage tantrums, which made him seem kinda pissy. His interviews weren't to interesting, and his lyrics were usually either amazing or terrible, with no visible middle ground.
Over time, though, he has matured as a musician, a task Manson has failed to complete gracefully. Manson comes across ad 'edgy' because he tries too hard to maintain the same style he had in his prime days. The things that fit a 23-year-old don't fit a 45-year-old. NIN has calmed down a lot, but they haven't become 'boring,' in a sense. Yeah, the music and lyrics are both a lot tamer, but it feels like it's supposed to be that way because of how long they've been around. So listening to their newer material isn't as uncomfortable as listening to Manson's.
Manson wins prime days, Reznor wins currently.
>>63939148
>he thinks marilyn manson was ever good at any point in time
literally off yourself m8
>>63939148
That's a good point actually.
>>63939107
>>63939133
Kek at the filenames.
But in all seriousness, this is the section I mentioned earlier. Thanks for posting.
>>63939138
I disagree with the lyrics thing, I think Trent's lyrics are pretty solid.
>>63939225
Not him but shit dude Manson wasn't that bad
>>63939225
>he denies Manson ever had any talent
[sentence about how much of a pleb you are]
[smug reaction face]
MM suicide when? Every time his live performances are mentioned, it's all about how he's half-retarded or too strung out to care about what he's doing. I saw NIN a couple of years ago in KC and it seemed well put together.
As far as who WAS better, I think that it comes down to MM's overwhelmingly regarded "best album" was with extremely heavy influence from Reznor/Downward Spiral. So, I'm not sure how I see live performances outweighing actual musical content. I never dug the edgy social commentary of MM. Reznor was always more introspective, and I think that his talent as a musician/producer puts him well above MM.
>>63939571
friend of mine works at a restaurant in a hotel that Manson stayed at when he played in peoria, il a few years ago. they met with his manager or whatever and actually got him a shit ton of cocaine for manson.
that being said, i actually saw him perform in Chicago with the Pumpkins and he seemed fine. fat, but fine.
>>63936227
>And the only reason Trent got famous was because he was angry and sad because of his girlfriend and shitty life
And was fucked up on coke and depression but let's completely ignore that
>>63939658
This. Wow the Mansonwank in this thread is some next level shit
>>63939571
>MM suicide when?
I keked but honestly that's fucking rude
>>63936567
Closer is aesthetically incredible, nude baldies or not
>>63939628
he was a skinny!! too many pop tarts :/
>>63939352
>acting superior because you like marilyn manson
Did I end up in the 90s?
>>63939785
Wow, that's depressing.
>>63939785
>bottom right corner
Frankenstein much
>>63939859
>Frankenstien's monster
>>63939909
>Frankenstein
fuck me
>>63939785
people get fat when they're older. completely normal.
>>63939961
Trent still looks bretty good IMO desu
Manson let himself go af
>>63939961
>top left and bottom left
they look so humble omg <3
>>63940018
Trent didn't...
>>63939961
Trent put his life back together, and got /fit/, MM got fat.
Also: No MM has anything like the buildup on Eraser. That song is unbelievable.
>>63940018
>defending how shitty he aged
Man, MM could have at least adopted a better hairstyle and dropped the edgy aesthetic in favor of something more modern or mature to compensate for looking like a bloated frog
>>63940020
pretty much
>>63939785
>>63940073
>eraser
I honestly think this song is Trent's GOAT. no other song in the world is quite like it
>>63940106
This. Reading his bio was pretty weird because he talks himself up like he's trying to get AWAY from the "edgy" look, clearly that is untrue :/
>>63940108
Pic related
>>63940073
>No MM has anything like the buildup on Eraser. That song is unbelievable.
pretty much.
Barring Cryptorchid, 99% of his catalogue is the standard generic verse / chorus / verse / chorus / middle-eight / chorus etc.
>b-b-b-but the kids'll love it!
>>63940138
Ouch
>>63940181
Did he become cuter with age or something
>TR
>3 grammy awards
>1 Oscar
>MM
>Kids Choice Award
>Not having the greatest live performance of the 1990s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lbFfiLAj_A
>>63940181
>Reading his bio was pretty weird because he talks himself up like he's trying to get AWAY from the "edgy" look, clearly that is untrue :/
Funny enough, as time went on, Mazza just upped increasingly on the clowny edgy look the more 'sincere/honest' he got.
It's like, nigga, it goes the other way around
>>63940249
>MM
>>Kids Choice Award
I laughed way too hard at this
Also that video is god tier
>>63940235
Distinguished old man Reznor will be fun to watch age.
>>63940321
oh my god that gif is shameful
yeah, it's weird how he did that, almost makes me feel like he's artistically conflicted; that shit shows in music
or maybe too many drugs
>>63940359
For someone of 50 he looks pretty youngish, like by ten years
he's a dad now though, no edge anymore
kind of cute
>>63940423
he's in the "QT oscar winning composer" stage.
>>63939107
>>63939133
jesus who the fuck writes like this?
eg.
MM: "...i felt like a suicide-bomber terrorist. everyone in the world wants to destroy me, but only i can pull the trigger. i was ready to do it but then i saw a tiny hope at the other end of the tunnel. i was really depro during that time, i couldn't even lift a brush. and i was so down, i lost myself. then i found myself, i reinvented myself by fruckin a teenage pussy. she gave me hope that i needed, the strength to use my credit card more often and buy new makeup. i was newborn and ready to show my new face (with the new makeup) to this cruel world. and then one day a bat flew out of my poo-hole and i knew it's time to write a vampire-song..."
RS: ah i see. mr. manson, what do you think of the current state of music industry?
MM: "...gosh, everyone is trying to be so dark and scary. you see all these upcoming bands being hyped up to sell. but there are only few that really feel the pain. i lost myself. then i found myself, i reinvented myself. i was really depro during that time and saw no hope..."
RS: how does your typical day look like?
MM: "i loose myself, then i find myself, reinvent myself. i see no hope and all i can do is hide from the entire world that tries to destroy me."
RS: are you bummed that mac os-x leopard is delayed to october?
MM: "that was really shocking and devastating for me. i lost myself when i heard about it. suddenly the world was all black around me. and all because of that damn iphone. i was ready to buy a black imac with a vampire screensaver and blog my pain off to this cruel world."
RS: well, thanks for the interview, hope to see you soon again mr. manon.
MM: "...manson, marilyn, not manon. i reinvented myself. hope this cruel world will enjoy it."
47 years old and 'muh recent work is what I wanted to do all along' defense force, ladies and gentlemen.
Guess he and Billy do deserve each other.
>post yfw the screaming at the end of "The Downward Spiral"
>>63935902
Brian Warner (Marilyn Manson) only writes lyrics. Twiggy was pretty much in charge of the actual music writing during their height and still is now.
>>63940467
>RS: are you bummed that mac os-x leopard is delayed to october?
the fuck kind of question is this
>>63940607
yup this
>>63940580
Pic related
>>63940727
>he wasn't bummed that mac os-x leopard was delayed until october
Fuckin pleb
>>63935351
The Columbine shooters didn't even listen to Marilyn Manson. They thought that he was a poseur.
>>63940781
they had good taste
>>63940580
>that screaming at the end of Reptile
>>63940882
>Reptile
>NONONONO NONON NONON
>it slowly descends into madness
>the first notes of the downward spiral at the end
Closer is and will always be the best song on TDS, fuckin fight me
>>63940950
Agreed
top song by NIN t bh
>>63936299
They are actually two of my favorite albums of all time. No shit, HM is one of the only NIN records I still listen to. The Slip and The Fragile are still in heavy rotation when I listen to music but everything else NIN I just played to death while in high school in the late 90's, early 2000's. Pale Emperor is the best thing Manson has put out in a decade and is a really fucking great rock/bluesy album.
So it's weird but I listen to Manson's stuff more over the past few years. I listened to anti-christ superstar and Mechanical Animals when they were big in the late 90's but then I stopped following his career. In 2011 I had a mental breakdown (addiction and stress) and while I was regrouping I decided to listen to the rest of the Manson catalog
As a whole, I actually enjoy Manson's music more. Eat me Drink Me and The High End of Low are really good and underrated. Grotesqe and Born Villain sucked. Holy Wood is just such a massive album that I still have yet to fully digest it - I'm always finding new tracks I love on it, recently Coma Black.
I saw both live in 2009 at seperate shows. They were good but nothing great. NIN was a standard show and Manson was really konked out on drugs at this point.
As an old fag, I love both. Manson's music seems to have more staying power though over time.
>>63940950
Piggy/Ruiner/Hurt >
>>63940950
Reptile and The Becoming are the pinnacle
>>63941030
point your monitor at a white wall, turn off the lights and enjoy familio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynvj1SiKbw0
Fuck this thread reminded me how much I need to go through NIN discography again. Purest Feeling to HM is a fucking ride.
>>63941146
Oh damn, forgot about Purest Feeling.
The Fragile > TDS > Broken > The Slip > HM > Pretty Hate Machine > Ghosts > With Teeth > Purest Feeling >>>>>>>>>>>> Year Zero
>>63940997
That's pretty cool anon!
>>63941006
all of TDS is a gem
>>63941030
The Becoming is so fucking awesome
>>63941146
Ooh, Purest Feeling is such a prototype haha. Thank god it was revised before being released as PHM.
>>63941211
>putting the fragile above TDS
I might agree with you, but man, all that filler...
>>63941211
The Fragile = TDS = Broken > The Slip > PHM = Ghosts > Purest Feeling = Withuhhhh Teeeethhhuhhh > HM > Year Zero
>tfw no juicy Trent Reznor autobiography
>tfw no 20 page Courtney Love diss
>tfw no reveal that he knows who killed Biggie and Tupac
>>63941342
me as fuck
I can't wait for Trent's biog
The parts about him in Manson's were pretty interesting except not sure if I can believe them 100% bc when it was published there was that beef between them
>>63941288
I actually don't have many tracks on The Fragile that I don't like. Even adding 10 miles high, the new flesh, and Appendage to it makes it even more of this massive beast of an album. I still love starfuckers, though I understand it has aged terribly. Also, adding And All That Could have Been to the end is so much better as a closer than ripe with decay.
>>63941310
I hear ya. I loved HM but understand why it's a wild card. I think we all agree Year Zero is almost unlistinable at this point.
> MUH BUSH
>>63941310
This; except I wish WT got more love. it's solid.
>>63941370
>I think we all agree Year Zero is almost unlistinable at this point.
>> MUH BUSH
Keked so hard, anon
It's a terrible album, defs my least favorite by them
>AATCHB as a closer
ooh neat, I gotta try that
>>63941383
I can listen to With Teeth every now and then. It is a very well flowing album (Why HOME was taken off of the USA release is beyond me) and has some solid tracks. Sunspots is top tier.
>>63941370
Starfuckers is the one NIN song I just do not like. The video serves it zero justice as well
>>63941310
>>63941370
>>63941211
Why does everyone shit on Year Zero? It's one of his best albums.
>>63941443
It was awful when they changed it to starsuckers for MTV.
I think I love it still so much because it was on The Day The World Went Away CD single which was the first new NIN in five years besides The Perfect Drug. I listened to that single so much in preparation for The Fragile.
>>63941469
List some tracks that are on par with The Fragile or Downward Spiral tracks then. I don't know that I could argue a single one although I personally enjoy The Great Destroyer and Me, I'm Not. The album isn't up to par with any other album whatsoever, let alone TF or DS, in my opinion.
>>63941469
It's decently different. Close to With Teeth in its style and marked the point where Trent would begin bring out the "HO HEY HO HEY HUH UHHUH" type vocals. I don't think it's bad, but I can see the dislike. Being a big fan of the earlier stuff, I didn't like it when it came out.
Manson could never produce 90 percent of one of his own albums. Enough said.
>>63941598
This is now a NIN thread because MM is obviously worse and OP stopped baiting.
>>63941469
Because people were still wet from The Fragile and they wanted a return to that sound. Reznor didnt want to return to that sound and he wanted to do something new. Year Zero is dope and the closing track is great but it has a couple of Bores n' Snores.
>>63941480
Ah that makes sense then.
God the vid for that song was atrocious
>>63941547
This
>>63941598
This also
>>63935293
Insane Clown Posse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEIxvawYg5s&nohtml5=False
>>63941642
>op stopped baiting
who said op ever left B)
>>63941651
WT came out before YZ tho
>>63941651
The Fragile Release date: September 21, 1999
Year Zero Release date: April 17, 2007
>still wet
>>63941683
>WT came out before YZ tho
>>63941689
these
>>63941683
I said stopped baiting MM is good posts, not left.
>>63941547
>>63941567
Well for instance, I remembered buying With Teeth and thinking it was lackluster shit, while Year Zero was a more ambitious album and had some production that I liked for once in several years at the time.
I also thought Ghosts was mediocre, and The Slip terribly underwhelming.
>>63941469
It's among his best outside of his golden Pretty Hate Machine/The Downward Spiral/The Fragile eras. I guess people hate the concept behind it? It's definitely not unlisteanable.
>>63941716
(I'm op btw)
I wasn't baiting MM is good posts, I prefer nin greatly to him tbqh
>>63941689
>implying people werent still loving that album.
Has Manson ever made a good song that wasn't a cover?
>>63941732
I remember hearing Capital G at the time it was coming out and thinking "NIN is back."
>>63941791
I Don't Like The Drugs is good
but if he's never had a good original song blame Twiggy, he's the songwriter
>>63941723
The Slip is okay, it's just weirdly assembled
Ghosts is very dense and hard to get into at first, but still great
>>63941732
The concept and Real Life Game were weird, but it's a decent listen
>>63941812
aw
Would there be anything lost if NIN discography would have ended at The Fragile? The NIN era ended there. Pre-WT spin-offs would still exist probably.
>>63941917
you don't get ghosts, which is top tier reading/relaxing music
>>63941370
Food for thought
>>63941917
I love WT and HM though, so yeah, for me a lot of stuff would be lost
>>63942004
This is an ace compilation, it improves on the album so much
>>63942004
>quake soundtrack
good taste. It's really underrated but I always considered it to be a prototype for some of the soundscapes on The Fragile
>>63941954
The last person I would have turned to for top tier reading/relaxation music around the time of Ghosts was Trent Reznor but that shit surprised everyone over time I think.
>>63942006
Shit man. Nostalgia has me craving some dumb tunes sometimes but that doesn't mean that things would be better off without those dumb tunes.
>that bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM3Qpj_ajFY
>>63941914
I didn't like The Slip, it sounded rushed and half-assed, after that point I lost interest in NIN.
I said Ghosts was mediocre, but it's actually good soundtrack / instrumental music, and I did like the embedded image gimmick, didn't feel like NIN though.
>>63941917
I really do think that everything up to and including The Fragile is his serious work. After that point he became more relaxed and showed less genuine ambition, but his material is either more experimental or pop songs where Trent chases his tail.
I like that he has gotten more serious now that he's married.
>>63942004
This was how it was supposed to be split up btw. Wish he did that instead of use the instrumentals as filler.
>>63942228
Bass was fucking fine during most of that album. I never felt that after PHM. What the fuck happened? Maybe there are tracks (post PHM) that have that same level of sweet bass and I never noticed.
>>63942283
the bass died with synthpop trent, man.
>>63942228
So raunchy I love it
>>63942299
Rest in piece, indeed.
>>63935902
Reznor did concept albums involving fucking websites and had a online game in mind based around the album's story and concept.
Plus he explored a shit load of sounds through his career and successfully incorporated industrials abrasiveness and experimental sides in pop music. He virtually created that late 90's industrial rock sound that so many others were influenced by. He took a lot from Ministry, but I think he perfected it. Also, some of Manson's most acclaimed work was produced by Reznor. Reznor also has a much larger catalogue of memorable songs, styles and moods. Hell, even live NIN are currently one of the best acts around. Reznor surpasses Manson in about every aspect, this is not arguable.
>>63942321
>piece
is this a pun
>>63942369
this 10000x
>>63942405
My bad. Just drinking kraken by the glass. Rest in peace*
Marilyn Manson
>slept with a bunch of groupies
Trent Reznor
>slept with Tori Amos and Dave Grohl
clearly trent is superior
>>63942650
Is this a meme
>>63936126
This.
NIN was pretty good. Always sounds slick when it's in a film or that fat guy dressed in black at the stoplight is blasting it from his car with the windows rolled down.
>>63942650
>sleeping with a murderer
>good
>>63942824
Never knew Tori Amos murdered someone.
>>63941469
agreed, one of the best NIN albums ever. this thread is full of people with garbage taste and terrible opinions.
>>63942897
Post some tracks from YZ that compete with tracks from TF or DS then.
>>63942948
why does it have to compete with TF or DS to be one of the best NIN albums ever? what if it is third place to both of them and doesn't compete at all? could still be one of the best and a solid third. idiot
>>63943072
By saying that an album is one of the best of something, you probably should be able to argue why it is of the same caliber of what are recognized as the actual best of something. idiot
>>63943127
nope. >>63943072
read that again. it doesn't have to compete with 1st and 2nd at all to be 'one of the' or even 3rd best. fucktard.
>>63943155
So, it sucks dick in comparison to the 2 best albums. That sets the bar pretty damn low for the remaining. Still haven't seen any track listings from it from you.
In conlusion, The Fragile = TDS = Broken > The Slip > PHM = Ghosts > Purest Feeling = WT > HM > Year Zero
>>63943251
i think there are multiple examples of why the golden delicious holds up favorably to both the Valencia and naval.
>>63944275
But none of why Year Zero holds up against any album, let alone DS and TF. What a shame.
>>63944332
read that comment thoroughly. it has an answer in it. think hard.
>>63944439
>if I relate enough unrelated subjects to a specific subject, I can bypass giving my own thoughts on it and therefore aren't wrong
>>63944489
try again
>>63936299
I had this weird moment listening to Everything from hesitation marks where I realized Trent Reznor was finally happy. It made me happy as I just listened to the song in my car. I don't really think Hesitation Marks as an album is that great, but it was nice for someone that likes Reznor as a person more than an artist at points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQ68cKLT04
>>63944707
that song isn't about happiness, focus on the second half of it and it's placement in the middle of the album. that song is not about a 'happy ending.'
>>63944683
I, too, wish I had a reason why Year Zero wasn't the worst overall album of Year Zero. Guess we'll never know.
>>63944758
NIN not Year Zero* in the second YZ
>>63944774
idiot
I think I agree that Marilyn Manson had more things to say than NIN. And conveyed it in a much more intelligent manner, but I think he also just isn't as good musically.
Trent is a synth God. His production skills and attention to detail are are insane as of Hesitation Marks. I gotta give it to him.
>>63944788
Go on, idiot.
>the becoming is /r9k/ in a song
Manson peak: 1996-2002
Reznor peak: 1994-2007
>>63944906
>>63945025
imagine being this ignorant
>>63945381
wait I meant only the becoming one, not the peak one
The peak one is fine
>>63945381
>no argument stated
Imagine being this ignorant.
>>63945381
wait I meant only the becoming one, not the peak one
The peak one is fine
>>63942869
kek
>>63935902
Agree on Manson but disagree on Reznor. I think his newer stuff has been different because he's mostly moved on as a person from the shit that inspired TDS and The Fragile. When he tries to re-capture that old sound, he fails. When he is true to himself and writes how is is now (Ghosts, Social Network Soundtrack, etc.) it actually ends up being pretty nice ambient/experimental stuff.
>>63935293
rozz williams, who clearly inspired both.
