Why is old music always so much lower in volume than new recordings and how do I fix this
>>63873993
Loudness, it's a cancer. There is no way to fix it.
turn the volume up
loudness war, older music has better dynamics? idk 2bh pham
>>63873993
>how do I fix this
Cut your ears off
>>63874005
>>63874013
Wah wah wah the loudness war meme continues
Yeah, there were some shitty digital mastering jobs going on about 15 years ago. Fortunately, or unfortunately for you dingbats, we now have the ability to cleanly increase the actual and perceived volumes of music without creating awful distortion. Increasing the actual/perceived volume doesn't automatically mean that the music will be less dynamic.
>>63874005
What the hell are you people talking about
Loudness is a great band
>>63874011
I usually listen to music on full volume so this is the issue
>>63873993
import to audacity
click Effect > Compressor
move the ratio slider all the way to the right
click ok, then export
and you're done!
>>63874040
>Increasing the actual/perceived volume doesn't automatically mean that the music will be less dynamic.
Are you seriously arguing that music now is not less dynamic than music decades ago?
For fuck's sake, so what do you people all do
ONLY listen to old music or new music? It's very difficult to put a collection together when half of it is loud and half of it isn't, I don't get this
>>63874078
Music isn't less dynamic than decades ago.
If you only listen to mass market pop/rock/rap, that will be your experience, but any independent or experimental music, and classical, jazz and world music genres are unaffected by the loudness wars.
If lack of dynamic range is a problem for you it's because you have shit taste.
>>63873993
turn the volume down with the media player or the system volume.
>>63874135
>turning volume DOWN
>ever
>>63873993
put it into audacity and press bass boost
>>63874078
Yes, I am, because I'm not retarded. Yes, if you're listening to radio pop and hip hop and modern rock, it's going to be blown all to fuck. However, contemporary engineers are aware that the loudness war is really a dynamics war, and work accordingly. It's possible to make you think something is louder without reducing dynamic range.
>>63874128
>Music isn't less dynamic than decades ago.
>If you only listen to mass market pop/rock/rap, that will be your experience
We're talking about music in general here, so you're just contradicting yourself.
Ofcourse the genres that don't master their songs to shit with compression won't be affected, but the general trend is till towards loudness and pretty much zero dynamic range.
OP here
I listen to old metal and new metal....
Does this make it any easier to get advice
>>63874268
Yes
*unzips dick*
HERE's my advice, bitch!
>>63874303
*puts on my robe and wizard hat*
>>63874040
>Increasing the actual/perceived volume doesn't automatically mean that the music will be less dynamic
yes it does. it is not always bad though.
>>63874043
>I usually listen to music on full volume so this is the issue
sigh
>>63874128
>classical, jazz and world music genres are unaffected by the loudness wars
not true at all. did you ever listen to a classical recording from the 50s or 60s? no, you did not.
Ok look...is it normal for people who listen to old music and new music to just deal with the contrasting recordings, or what
Am I autistic for even worrying about this because I'm just trying to fill up my fucking Ipod but I delete every other download and I don't know if I should or not at this point
>>63874344
No, it doesn't. Literally just boosting the volume does not reduce dynamic range - it does if you end up limiting the signal, but even a lot of modern music is only limiting something like 6 decibels, which is almost imperceivable. Boosting certain frequencies, making the music perceivably louder, does not reduce dynamic range.
>>63874381
...Yes? That's what the volume control is for. If it's really too quiet for you, do what some others in the thread have said and just compress it a little bit. You may also have the option to use some sort of volume leveler within your music player.
>>63874368
Yes, I have done. They have far less dynamic range due to technological limitations in recording at the time.
>>63874128
As a whole, yes it is (and believe it or not, you Avant Teen, there is "mainstream" fare worth listening to).
>but any independent or experimental music, and classical, jazz and world music genres are unaffected by the loudness wars.
Most indie music since the mid-00s is just as terribly mastered as pop music (this is where you change your definition of "independent" to something else, but music from small and obscure independent labels can also sound like shit because they often don't what the hell they're doing).
I can pretty much relate to op´s problem, its horrible if you turn it up because of an quiet song to have your ears blasted by the next song.
Only advice I can give is to just make 2 playlists, one for new and one for old or just dont put all songs on shuffle.
to boost every old song or muffle every new song is too much work
>>63874381
for fuck's sake anon if it's that big of a deal most media players have volume normalization that you can turn on. You say you have an iPod, well if it's a classic you go to Settings > Sound Check
>moving the volume slider is hard work
>>63874459
you are not very smart
>>63874486
>>63874477
>>63874368
>>63874344
>>63874242
Can I hear some examples of what you armchair mastering engineers think is "too loud"? And don't give me Iggy Pop.
>>63874477
sigh
let me guess: you did not pass the test on what.cd?
>>63874531
>ur dumb
>i win lol
Do enlighten me
>>63874542
metallica death magnetic hurr
>>63874559
it is not possible, you don't want to understand. It's okay though, it is not an important topic.
>>63874542
all of it t b h
>>63874576
Look lad, one of us is an engineer and the other is not. Go ahead and try though.
>>63874564
>a modern metal album has shit mastering
wow whodathunkit
>>63874542
Sends my amp into protection mode and the turns the clipping indicator on my Rythmik sub into a strobe light: http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/67588
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/715
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/59494
Unacceptable for a Jazz album: http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/290
Although I'm not a fan, anything from Zach Hill/Death Grips is fucking terrible.
I can go on and on.
>>63874617
>engineer
Then quit mastering albums like shit. Assume some of us will be listening through decent rigs and not through earbuds, laptop speakers, or a car stereo.
Thanks.
>listening to an old chilled out band on Spotify
>Ads come on
>>63874477
(not true, by the way.)
>>63874523
Does that even apply to Ipod settings and not just Itunes
>>63874547
I passed the test.
You are pretty fucking clueless friend.
I mean it's of course in no way proof, but here's just one example
2010: http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/82841
1967: http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/73541
these are pretty representative of contemporaneous classical recordings.
>>63874675
...I don't. I'm aware that people want to hear music that is "louder" than it used to be, but still have dynamic range. It's possible, just not if you're Chris Lord-Alge.
>>63874653
Those first three albums are styles of music that general have less dynamic range in general. Do you really expect The Cure to have the same dynamic range as a string orchestra? The Bad Plus album was obviously going for a particular sound. Calling it a "jazz" album is fucking dumb.
My point is that a lot of what you dudes are mad about is a perceived loss of dynamic range in what are really some of the genres with the least dynamic range. Compression is not a bad thing like you all seem to think - it tends to make music more listenable. Bad EQ is really what you all should be worrying about, not to mention some of you are probably retarded enough to use your music player's EQ.
>>63874675
Any mastering engineer worth the title will be doing their work with studio reference grade monitor speakers in a properly isolated environment. Frankly you can't say that a mastering engineer doing their work like this doesn't hear when they've brickwall limited the fuck out of the recordings. Though it's also fully possible for the recording engineer to have mixed it that way before the mastering engineer even gets to it, as was claimed in the case of Death Magnetic, for example.
>>63874791
Sorry I should've been clearer, On the iPod itself you turn on Sound check anything you do on the media player won't carry over.
>>63873993
Newer music has been made louder and louder over the decades to try and compensate for a lack of timbrel variety. You'll just have to turn up the volume.
>>63874617
if you are an engineer and you can not hear that modern classical recordings have a smaller dynamic range than old ones then you should not be an engineer.
>>63874794
Classical music is one of the genres that benefited the most from modern recording equipment and CD standards, due to the lower noise floor and more headroom provided for all the different instruments, as well as the genre being full of quiet-loud-quiet passages. There's a reason classical fled to the CD, and then digital once it started gaining popularity.
recording/mastering techniques have changed. Also, a lot of popular music is brickwalled to be loud as fuck all the time.
There really isn't a good way around it. Don't buy remastering of albums from before 95 or so, they're usually pathetically amplified and distorted.
>>63873993
Assuming you use iTunes to play your music like the cuck you are, select all of the "old" music you want to increase the volume of, click "Get info" go over to "Options" and adjust the volume slider.
If you want to get fancy, you can then right click and select "Create AAC Version" which makes iTunes create a new track that's identical to the original other than that it retains the options you've assigned to it represented as defaults. In other words, the track appears to be at normal volume when looked at in options, when in fact it's at the increased volume that you adjusted it to.
Hope that helps queerboy
>>63874945
This really varies by artist, and you should trust your ears rather than numbers or guesstimates on this one. Though I completely agree that most remasters are just the same album but with more peak limiting. Some remasters are actually done with care and attention though, and they're usually the best versions.
>>63874739
I can relate to this so much.
I only listen to music at the quietest volume possible to test my ear skill. It generates muscles in the ear lobes and ear drum so it enhances your listening experience. i've noticed a euphoric feeling when doing this because of how stimulated my ears get.
Get a bloody headphone amp. Problem solved.
>>63875003
>>63874107
Well I generally just change the volume when I start an album
>>63874906
I wasn't aware that we were just talking about classical albums. Yes, modern classical is technically less dynamic. This is partly because listening to music with a 20 decibel range is hard for some people - like when you're anywhere but a nice listening space. Bringing the quietest parts of orchestral pieces up is not a huge crime. Brickwall limiting classical music is a huge crime.
>>63873993
Who is this semen demon?
>>63874739
I noticed on Spotify free for PC, if you just click play on the next song before the previous one finishes, you don't get ads. You only get ads if you let songs finish completely.
>>63874844
>Do you really expect The Cure to have the same dynamic range as a string orchestra? The Bad Plus album was obviously going for a particular sound. Calling it a "jazz" album is fucking dumb.
No, but I expect it not to be brickwalled to all hell to the point where the treble shreds my ears. That Cure album, is in fact, an infamous example of shitty mastering.
Yeah, certain types of genres have less dynamic range (ex. Harsh Noise can be mastered well but will still have little to no dynamic range), but that doesn't mean it's inherently difficult to master/mix well.
Just look at the rest of the Cure's pre-00s catalog and compare. And some masters/mixes I've been impressed by that I thought were going to shred my ears per their style are Sonic Youth's Dirty and the Jesus and Mary Chain's Stoned and Dethroned.
That Bad Plus album is most definitely Jazz, and it doesn't sound horrible, but I could tell right off that it was mixed a tad loud since the cymbals sounded bright and the midrange was a bit buried.
The Coltrane Impulse Box Set (which I have) also suffered a bit:
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=John+Coltrane&album=
>>63874739
>>63875092
Pay for Premium, it's literally peanuts you povs.
>>63875041
i agree. Now let's explain this to our "engineer"
>>63874739
>>63874998
>>63875092
>>63875258
>Using Spotify in any way, shape or form
>Ever
You know you can download music for free right?
>>63873993
who's this penis person?
>>63875113
>The Coltrane Impulse Box Set (which I have)
slowclap.ogg
>>63875317
Jim Norton, you'll forget him soon enough
>>63875317
>>63875076
>niggas don't know chip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59AioKQ8xCs
Anyway, man this is depressing, I can't be bothered to edit every single song I download. I guess I'll just listen to my Ipod full of old songs, it's not bad but all that's on it is rap from a friend and I wanted to get back in touch with my own music which is mostly metal but it's so annoying to have the volume difference since I only listen to music loud
Speaking of which why do youtube uploaders always have quality uploads but they're impossible to find onlne? FUCK THS SHIT
>>63875418
Did you check the settings?
>>63875284
You know you're a thieving cunt, right?
It's a combination of higher fidelity recording technology and artificially compressed shit music. Music intended for radio airtime usually has no sense dynamic contrast.
>>63875454
Yes, I found the option in the settings to make all the volume equal but I don't listen to music at my computer using Itunes, my Ipod itself has no such setting. I mainly just want this for my Ipod because I mostly listen to music when I'm out of the house.
>>63875502
Tough luck then.
>>63875481
Artists literally make more money from concerts than from album sales. Most of the music I listen to I simply cannot buy new from the people who made it anyway.
>>63875481
As if Spotify is much better, the amount they'll get from it is practically an insult in most cases from what I understand.
>>63875550
So get Spotify and it's all legal, dumbass.
>>63875601
Wew lad. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
>>63874053
I used to be purist with producing and thought that any compression was bad, but having a low ratio like 1/5 improves things and is absolutely essential for some types of music.
The problem I have with overcompression is when shitty producers destroy the waveform by peaking everything.
>>63875671
You need a bit of compression in virtually any recording, otherwise it'll be an unbalanced mess. Compression alone usually isn't the culprit for peaking and clipping waveforms, it's usually a combination of too much compression coupled with too much peak limiting. None of these tools are inherently bad, what matters is the degree and balancing it with the dynamics of the music.
>>63875284
>Downloading music I haven't heard yet
>>63875861
Sorry, expecting you to be able to know how to delete a file was clearly giving you too much credit.
>>63874542
Tame Impala - Lonerism
>>63875861
why the fuck else would you...
>>63875284
It's a convenience thing. I don't have to go through the trouble of searching for a download for an album I may not even like. I can just stream it.
>>63877029
>the trouble of searching for a download
You mean the ten seconds it takes me to search an album on slsk?
>>63877029
I consider it more troublesome to have to register for a service, and subsequently having to pay in order to not get ads in my ears while I'm checking out a new album. Unless it's huge, an album takes me 1-3 minutes to download.
>>63873993
turn up the volume on your speakers...
>>63874049
for what purpose
>>63875861
literally end yourself
>>63873993
Wtf are u doing in mu lyle
Old shit isnt as loud as sick fucken puppies duvv duvvv fuuuk yeaa
this whole thread should be chip chipperson lines but /mu/ is too shit to know who that is.
>>63878204
>Burnin' Embers
>>63878309
>Burnin' Embers
ugh /mu/ sucks
>>63878367
This is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gC-Q7Jtbig&nohtml5=False
>>63878432
MY HEARTS GETTIN HEAVY
>>63875481
Artists make fractions of cents for Spotify plays, while the ads and subscription fees put shekels into the pockets of the company instead.
>>63877413
>not listening to music at full volume
how pleb are you people
>>63873993
this happends cause people this era records music with shitloads of gain and its balanced with their benis "DJ SHIT"
>>63875907
>>63876895
>>63878075
I bet you guys only listen to /mu/core and mainstream pop.
>>63878646
>>63873993
Fruity Limiter was invented
Repeater is seriously a really fucking quiet album. Every version of it I've downloaded has the volume way down. And I want to play that shit LOUD.
Thanks for the suggestion cocksuckaas I can hear the beach boy now he is really good
>>63875364
>Not knowing genius when hits you in the face
/mu/ in general
>>63880001
Im just chippin ya listenin to sabbath double guns cocksuckaa take us out pig
>>63880284
here is the best shit you'll ever hear cocksuckas thank me later or sumfin dvvv dvvvv starts at 1:33 suck cuckaas
>>63880490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywd_otjOtjA
>>63874739
O O O O'Reily
AUTO PARTS
WOW
>>63880001
>>63880284
>>63880490
FAWKIN peeses a gabbage
tss low volume more like voluYOU
