Why does /mu/ worship this man's ambient tape cassettes (Jarvid 9, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, etc.) if they're just rip-offs/sampled of obscure new age tapes from the 1980s?
because
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>>63861946
Why don't you go up to his face and say that, punk?
source on OP's claim btw
>>63862055
IT'S OVER
FERRARO IS FINISHED
>>63862055
WTF
old news. he made most of skid row on his gfs Ipad when she caught him cheating on blasted him on twitter
>>63862256
yeah
>>63862055
IT'S OVER
FERRARO IS FINISHED
You say that as if it changes anything. 99% of the dude's early sound comes from the processing. What you're listening to is the echo between broken ghetto blasters, reverberation from buckets of hair gel, downsampled mud of reversed handheld tape recorders, etc. It's like I Am Sitting In A Room from another dimension. The actual source of the sound is arbitrary
Also almost all of Spencer Clark's stuff is made from scratch
>>63862908
this
so much this
>>63861946
because most people on /mu/ actually know shit about music and think mediocre shit is amazing
So kinda like Dean Blunt?
>>63862908
what does this even mean
>>63864585
how could you not even fucking understand it you tool it was so easy to understand PLUS it's 100% true you dummy
>>63864659
i have no idea what you're saying
>>63864698
how could you fucking not you fucking shitting baby fuck you
Because he made Night Dolls with Hairspray, a slime punk masterpiece.
>>63864853
this is true
>>63862055
Coming from the guy who tried passing off a blatant unedited loop of R Plus Seven as his own music
>>63862055
HE'S FINISHED
MARCEL BTFOs ANOTHER HACK YET AGAIN
>>63865019
what
Marcel didn't say anything regarding what OP said you turd. he just made the original tweet.
>>63865019
Can I please get a link that sounds hilarious
>>63862256
...What?
>>63865060
Marcel didn't say anything oh my fucking god he just made the original post
>>63865086
He deleted it from his Bandcamp, but it's this
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/marcel_foley/rainforest___jungle/
>>63865019
>>63865060
what makes you guys think Marcel was calling anybody a hack? Ferraro is one of his favorite musicians ever.
>>63865128
what a waste of good cover art
>>63865171
desu he prob stole that too
>>63865198
who the fuck cares
this is not the thread topic
>>63865198
There's a blatant similarity to R+7
>>63865220
no, you is not the thread topic
>>63865220
I'm crashing this thread
WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>63865237
what
>>63865252
>>63865276
WHAT
>>63865317
yes
>>63865351
FUCK OFF
>>63865241
hit the plane down
>>63865366
',:√)
What am I in for?
>>63865405
R+7
>>63865405
DMCA notice after Marcel finds this post
That's blatantly false, though. Ferraro used sampling, yes, but he added his own input with instruments AND processing. Fuck off
what's the difference between the two versions of last american hero?
>>63864585
It means people respect him from a production stand point not as a musician.
Even though NYC Hell, Sushi, Cold, Suki Girlz, and pretty much everything else he has released recently are fantastic albums in their own right.
>>63866411
Absolutely true, his recent output is fucking great.
And I don't care what anyone says, his early stuff is some form of genius.
>>63862908
this. marcel is just a fucking idiotic kid with aspergers
>>63866351
the tape version has an extra track on side a. meanwhile the vinyl doesnt.
>>63865405
>>63865503
HOLY SHIT THIS IS LITERALLY JUST A 5 SECOND SAMPLE FROM 'ALONG' LOOPED 50 TIMES LMFAO
>>63866800
no anon, it's art
>>63866826
sampling is not art. it's stealing
>>63866909
fuck off you rockist. sampling is amazing.
seriously. fuck off.
>>63866909
tell that to the judge
>>63866800
dean blunt is marcel
>>63865840
see:
>>63862055
from an official source dumbass
>>63866909
Legally, if it is done within the proper guidelines, it is not stealing.
Dumbass.
>>63866719
Marcel never said anything bad about James Ferraro though??? He never claimed he was stealing?? He loves Ferraro more than any human being. Why do you keep getting your stories messed up. If anything, Marcel would probably 100% agree with that trip's post.
>>63866949
you do know what "framework" means, right? like I said before, sampling was just one of the elements to his early sound
>>63867008
OP wasn't fucking quoting Marcel he was quoting the musician who commented on Marcel's tweet holy shit how are you people not getting this
>>63866982
Not that anon, but in /mu/ it's a common thing to hate on the kid. I don't know why tho. He seems like a nice person I guess.
wait why did you guys ever think marcel said anything bad about james ferraro i don't get it
>>63867057
that guy is saying the same thing: how he "jammed" over loops of these tapes
>>63867085
yeah but it was weird to bring it up because it seemed like that anon was implying that Marcel called Ferraro a hack, which couldn't be farther from the truth. his comment didn't make any sense.
>>63867093
but marcel never bad-mouthed ferraro
>>63861946
I could believe it. His Lamborghini Crystal project literally sampled (and by sample I mean he took the whole recording) a new age/adult contemporary artist I forgot his name.
>>63867132
I know, weirdo
I'm the one who talked about "framework"
I think neither of them were implying he's a hack. OP is delusional
>>63867135
where did you remember hearing that? i'm really interested now.
Is there any source for the samples he used in his work? Whosampled.com has very few entries for Ferraro
>>63867189
they're not listed but you can easily check out the tape linked in this tweet pictured here: >>63862055
and hear how much it sounds like early ferraro. just type in the bitly link in that tweet into your browser.
I want to know what he sampled(if he sampled) on this.
>>63867306
all the instruments and the vocals are his. there are a few fx samples throughout, I think
genius work, 2bh
>>63867306
I don't think any of this is sampled besides brief snippets of commercials and shit. All of the instrumentals are completely original and James did all of the singing and guitar playing.
>>63867216
it sounds like average new age music
early ferraro drew inspiration from new age music
what's the problem here?
>>63867167
It's the Clock Tower Acid album. I guess he tried to do some kind of "collage" with existing songs and his own experiments. The "sample" is Oxygene by Harry Vander.
https://www.discogs.com/es/Lamborghini-Crystal-Clock-Tower-Acid/release/1438038
>>63867435
do you have a link to this harry vander track? i can't find anything about it on google.
>>63867435
I meant Jean-Michel Jarre. Shit, I'm tired.
>>63867399
no it doesn't sound like "average new music" AT ALL. it sounds exactly like the Jarvid 9 albums.
look up other new age from the early 80s, this tape sounds unlike anything else. it's a one of a kind.
just try to find me something that sounds remotely like this cassette.
>>63867435
wait where the fuck can i listen to this Clock Tower Acid album??? can't find anything about it online either.
>>63867468
This is the one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DDEl7JnWvo&nohtml5=False
>>63867525
It's on soulseek, but I can upload it for you if you want.
>>63867558
sure, that would be great. i think that's one of the only albums missing from my ferraro digital collection.
>>63866719
true
>>63867306
>>63867345
>>63867352
Even more reason to love this album. Plus it's catchy af.
FUCK ME
FUCK ME
IN FRONT OF THE CLAAAASS
ITT: Marcel trying to pretend like he wasn't calling out James.
Man up, Marcel.
>>63867648
i did prior to my post
see
>>63867604
>>63862055
Pot calling the kettle black, that little plagiarist
>>63867645
is that from a song? can you post it? sounds cool
>>63867306
No samples. That fucking blows my mind.
>>63867759
What makes you think Marcel was accusing James of doing anything?
>>63867776
marcel...is that you? or just a friend?
>tribute albums generally don't interest me. this just makes me wanna listen to rifts.
>marcel messaged me to rate this and i thought it could use a review as well. he claims to be inspired by early oneohtrix point never but i think the *idea* or his *perception* of the music interests him more.
>foley seems content to stick to glowy juno-esque sounds droning and arpeggiating, coated in cassette tape hiss. while that's part of what makes something like rifts interesting, it's also not what rifts is about.
>for one thing, rifts is a lot more layered, as shown in something like "melancholy depictions of 3d objects", where childish vocal samples are stretched and manipulated over xylophone sounding synth arpeggios, or "a pact between strangers", where faux-natural, youtube ripped and sp-404 arranged samples lend eerie atmosphere to point never's bass-led, vangelis inspired imaginings.
>rifts is also, to me, partially about the dynamics of short, miasmic pieces like "eyeballs" and gradually building and then spiraling out ones like "physical memory", as well as the explosiveness and ecstasy of short songs like "hyperdawn" and "betrayed in the octagon". the songs on this tape lack those dynamics, they're pretty meandering but not long enough to make that meandering into something odd or fascinating.
>i think of the way james ferraro's early music just sort of meanders/noodles along for 20 minutes. this doesn't display the same patience to stick with one idea.
>finally, there's nothing gut-wrenchingly emotional about this release that justifies the simple, meandering tracks. there's not a single "when i get back from new york" to justify 19 "computer vision" or "lovergirls precinct" type of tracks.
>it's just kinda meh. like i said, foley finds something like "rifts" fascinating and borrows the surface ideas w/out looking deeper. this isn't a reaction to rifts, it's just a restatement of its most obvious ideas.
What did he mean by this?
>>63867825
What makes you think Marcel was accusing James of doing anything??
>>63867760
The song is Leather High School. It's on Night Dolls With Hairspray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hnH2eyxrno
The whole album is great. Kinda in the middle of his music career, after the side-long ambient/new age pieces, and before the freaky-weird R&B stuff he does now.
>>63866554
DO YOU BELIEVE IN HAWAII?
>>63867886
thanks bruv
>Suitcase I is both a lazy, lackluster ambient EP and a poorly made drone EP. Each of these 'tracks' (loops) consist of five or so seconds of music repeated until the track is close enough to the four minute mark to look substantial. The looping itself sounds like it was done in audacity - pops or clicks at the end of this loop destroy the atmosphere and flow of every single track.
>The atmosphere conveyed by every song but the first can be summed up with
>a) shit stars of the lid
>b) flagrant abuse of audacity's reverb feature
>(pick your favourite)
>The music is clearly influenced by groups and people like (or similar to) Stars of The Lid, Tim Hecker, AWVFTS - it has the overwhelming and nostalgic atmosphere that often characterizes music from these projects. Marcel fundamentally misunderstands WHY these musicians are great, or how to imitate them. When it comes to ambient atmosphere is everything and an atmosphere that is interrupted by crackles every five seconds from poor mastering is not engaging, an atmosphere that loops until it sounds like it could be a bizarre dance song is not nostalgic and it doesn't matter how much fucking reverb you slap on or how pretentious you make the song titles. The music is not good.
What did he mean by this?
>>63867498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDTa-NK-dlY
>>63866909
So if I sample something and distort it beyond recognition and flip it and swap frequencies and put a comb filter on it and dissect it down to milliseconds and time stretch it and retrigger bits and pieces of it to the point where it's not longer recognizable, am I a thief, or have I performed art?
>>63867846
marcel read the thread
stop trying to backpedal
>>63867912
No prob. If you like that, check out the song Killer Nerd. That one may be even better, in my personal opinion.
>>63867956
ur legit who ur fav 5 artists?
>>63867929
this doesn't sound anything like that other tape/Jarvid 9 but ok. i was trying for you to find some 80s shit that sounded like ferraro but ok.
All sample based music is hack work.
Sampling is what you do when you're too lazy to create something from the ground up.
>>63867987
have you even listened to it? lmao
droning sound + reverberated bird sounds, that's all there is to the iasos tape
>>63868016
oh my fucking god shut up
>>63867982
Five favorite ever?
1. Queen
2. David Bowie
3. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti (the early material is fucking tops)
4. Robbie Basho
5. Tangerine Dream
Hadn't really thought too much about the last two. 4 is because I'd say that's accurate to how I'd personally rate it. 5 is because I have been obsessed with the Berlin School of electronic music recently.
>>63868016
so i need to build my own guitar? with wood from a tree i planted myself?
>>63868080
nice i respect ur list even tho we prob got really dif taste in music cheers and have a good one dude
>>63868016
nice one dude
>>63868119
You too, dog
how do I give that early Ferraro feel to my tunes?
should I drop my DAW and buy a fucked up tape recorder?
>>63868160
Buy the cheapest equipment possible and take it from there
>>63867579
There you have it senpai.
https://mega.nz/#!fMwyDYJZ!qrWavrbX5EV7ZS6G1K63Nn9VvZfy-7MLzLNRdiP3aEk
>>63868160
Just buy a cheap Casio SK-1 and a fucked up tape recorder and just go at it. That's essentially how all of his early shit was made.
>>63868160
I really want to know how he produced that early stuff. Him and Ariel Pink. AP's early stuff is lo-fi, but it doesn't have that sort-of "boxed-in" sound that tape-recorded/lo-fi stuff sometimes has.
>>63868185
You are a saint.
>>63868081
No you just need to learn to play it. Sampling is the guitar equivalent of playing those toy guitars where each button plays back a pre-reocrded clip.
>>63868185
Nice. Thank you so much man! That means a lot.
If you don't mind me asking, at which point is Oxygene sampled on here?
>>63861946
because I find it enjoyable to listen to.
>>63861946
I don't they're too long and boring, I listen to 5 secs and I'm like "I get it" but I appreciate he's doing his own thing B )
>>63868160
As far as I know, he recorded everything on a tascam multitrack tape recorder. Then the whole recording was transfered/recorded again on a bombox to have that extreme lo-fi effect.
>>63862055
>>63862127
>>63862207
>>63865060
honestly, anyone who didn't already know this are complete morons, also he fucks with the recordings so much that it doesn't really matter the original source, you people are idiots that don't get the point of what he does.
>>63868207
>>63868221
No prob!
It's the first track, around 6:10.
>>63868160
You can use both. When I feel like fucking around with lofi I just make some super cheesy new age ambient in my DAW, then toss it through a wonky 4-track I got laying around. There's a lot of techniques he uses that I've picked up, like bouncing between certain mic set ups, fucking around with line input so your preamp starts clipping, feeding individual tracks through the tape deck certain ways, etc. but unless you want to directly sound like him I'd try to find your own tricks. I've listed out the gear he uses a few times, but really the only essential tools are cheap digital keyboards and a 4-track
posting classic live ferraro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te1mq2PfooQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0g1Jj5g_0A&nohtml5
