Is there an artist/band who's importance and influence in music is almost the same (or even the same level) as the Beatles?
>>63837866
The Weevils didn't influence anyone.
>>63837866
No there isn't. Please stop asking.
David Bowie?
>>63837866
Radiohead
The Velvet Underground is close
>>63837890
There is you retard. You're just using your brain m8.
>>63837930
ahahaha
>>63837866
kraftwerk
the
>>63837866
Wings
JS Bach
>>63837957
Who?
>>63837866
>Beatles
>influential
Mfw
Don't get me wrong, they're 8/8, but they weren't influential or innovative
>>63838079
No, the Kinks were more so than The Who.
>>63838090
>they weren't influential or innovative
(not true, by the way)
Future
>>63838079
>Elvis
>Chuck
>Death grips
>Radiohead
>Fat domino
>miles Davis
>Public enemy
Elvis
>>63838090
hordes of butthurt fans incoming
>>63838105
>No, the Kinks
Not far-reaching in scope.
>>63838120
>>Elvis
>>Chuck
>>Death grips
>>Radiohead
>>Fat domino
>>miles Davis
>>Public enemy
Literally non of those have as far reaching musical and social implications
Nice try though.
>>63838090
>but they weren't influential or innovative
Automatic double tracking
Robert Johnson
Without Elvis there would be no Beatles.
>>63838171
How was that influential or innovative?
>>63838171
ken townsend and geoff emerick, not the boys
>>63838220
>ken townsend and geoff emerick
*under direction from The Beatles
>>63838203
not trying to say his point about the beatles being most influential because of that effect is valid, but it did lead to most of the modern chorus/flanger/modulation/stereo effects everyone takes for granted nowadays. cause to do it on the beatles albums they actually had to sync up two tape machines and 'flange' them against each other by hand...
>>63838144
>miles davis
>>63838249
Only of interest to a tiny sub demographic
Nice try though.
>>63838090
preparing for a bunch of replies saying they're influential without mentioning a single artist they influenced
>>63838203
How was a new recording technique that was at the behest of The Beatles and then used extensively by Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Simon/Garfunkel etc etc innovative?
>>63838120
>Death grips
Are you one of those redditors who just uses 'influential' to describe anything he likes?
VU > Beatles
>>63838247
>Despite subsequent claims over who originated flanging, Les Paul discovered the effect in the late 1940s and 1950s; however, he did most of his early phasing experiments with acetate disks on variable-speed record players. His 1955 single "Nuevo Laredo" features phase shifting,[1] as does the 1953 single "Mammy's Boogie." [2]
>>63838289
>used extensively by Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Simon/Garfunkel etc etc
[citation needed]
>>63838299
Wings > VU > Beatles
>>63838297
I'm surprise you can't see the influence
>>63838079
andy warhol's influence on music is bigger than all of them combined
>>63838339
How so?
>>63838305
>[citation needed]
Nice argument
>>63838305
The fact he did it first doesn't make him more influential. If the people who went on to use it got it from listening to The Beatle, that means The Beatles were more influential.
>>63838333
They influenced a handful of forgettable hip hop albums. We're talking about the most influential artists of all time, Death Grips shouldn't come into this discussion at all.
>>63838305
i know about the les paul thing. there were other studios in the 1955-1966 era that started using those effects. don't you think its funny that all these unrelated engineers in different parts of the globe were discovering the same effect around the same time and all named it after the tape flange?
>>63838327
VU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beatles>wings
>>63838299
vu > every band ever > beatles
the beatles werent even important
>>63838355
Nice citation for a poor argument.
>>63838368
>If the people who went on to use it got it from listening to The Beatles
Prove it.
The people who would have been using flange would also be listening to Les Paul and The Ventures.
>>63838381
Not relevant.
>>63838406
(B8 LIKE A PRO)
>>63838144
Miles Davis on multiple occasions copied Dizzy Gillespie
The weevils were a garage band
>>63838383
lol
>>63838418
>Generic contrarian
>>63838429
>Miles Davis on multiple occasions copied Dizzy Gillespie
Non sequitur
Buddy Holy, Elvis, Black Sabbath and Hendrix gotta be up there on the list.
>>63838449
Nice argument.
>>63837866
The Beatles are Mozart
The Rolling Stones are Antonio Salieri
>>63838486
Thanks
>>63838418
>If
>Prove it
My point is that arguing who invented flanging is irrelevant.
>>63838492
The Beatles are Cheap Trick
The Rolling Stones are Poison
>>63837866
Velvet Underground
Brian Eno
Can
All more influential and interesting than The Beatles
the who
>>63838526
>My point is that arguing who invented flanging is irrelevant.
Then it was a poor example in the first place.
Thanks for playing
Chuck Berry
>>63838383
>3838383
Simply eric
>>63838352
easily
>>63838612
In what way?
>>63838533
When you talk about The Beatles, you are in the basics of contemporary music. Is the same when you think about Erik Satie or George Gershwin. You are in foundations of contemporary music
>>63838671
>You are in foundations of contemporary music
If it's 1962, maybe.
>>63838638
banana
>>63838671
pop music is just the shadow of real music
the beatles aren't the foundations of anything, they aren't even the foundation of pop music
>>63838718
How is that relevant?
>>63838744
How is that irrelevant?
>>63838743
>pop music is just the shadow of real music
How is pop music not real? I can hear it.
>>63838144
>Elvis
>No far reaching social implications
actually retarded
Elvis Presley
Led Zeppelin
Black sabbath
Slayer
>>63838768
It has nothing to do with the music.
>>63838638
The banana is one
>>63838339
>andy warhol
War-hole, like holes. Andy War-hole
The Beach Boys
>>63838769
just like you can see a shadow
>>63838769
Real music is music that is high brow and relative to the properties of true music as described in music theory. Beethoven is real music. The beatles are utter sewage on the clean artistic and perfect landscape of true art.
>>63838781
Overshadowed by The Beatles (unless you are some redneck)
>>63838120
miles davis is the ugly guy from last shadow puppets with alex turner right?
>>63838793
Yes it does. You're a faggot.
>>63838817
>relative to the properties of true music as described in music theory.
Music Theory can also describe pop music though
>>63838817
>Going off of music theory
>>63838845
Nice argument.
>>63837866
>Sex Pistols
Cornerstone of the punk movement, and often considered the definitive band. Kicked off basically every subsequent movement in the UK, especially the Manchester scene.
>>63838769
Have you heard Strawberry Fields Forever or A Day in the Life? This is not a simple pop music. This is the basics for all music that we actually hear, even for some classical genres
>>63838825
stop baiting
>>63838817
must be nice to play within the safe little confines of those standards you'v set for yourself.
can't even begin to handle how much of a cuck you are
>>63838902
>Have you heard Strawberry Fields Forever
I have and it's nothing to get hung up about.
>>63838817
Obvious bait
sugar plum fairy sugar plum fairy
>>63838817
>this is what Scaruffi believes
>>63838969
>implying Scruffy knows Music Theory
>>63838902
w-what
>>63838924
are you implying that the beatles crossed artistic boundaries or broke standards?
>>63838969
>>this is what Scaruffi believes
actually it's the opposite
also, he probably doesn't even know music theory
>>63838932
When you grow, you learn to listen music. I assure you, this is music you will remember for all your life
>>63838995
>are you implying that the beatles crossed artistic boundaries or broke standards?
Not him, but they did.
>>63838932
Great Post
>>63838995
>w-what
>I have nothing smart to say
>>63837866
Guido d'Arezzo
>>63839001
This makes me depress ;(
>>63838569
It wasn't my example. You see, there are more than two people here on 4chan.
>>63839001
>muh feeling
music history is not about the personal meaning you associate to mediocre music
>>63839016
examples?
>inb4 they invented psych rock, prog rock, heavy metal and classical music
>>63839065
>>I have nothing smart to say
>i don't either
>>63839067
he isn't even a composer
thanks for this thread,
i fucking hate the beatles
they are sooo old
i only listen to modern music and non mainstream-shit
>>63839154
Sounds like your mistake for replying to me
>>63838995
Yes, I did. Leonard Bernstein said, in one occasion, that the best song of XX century was Lucy in the Sky with diamonds. This songs is one from The Beatles' album "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"
>>63839207
>examples?
Use of tape loops as a compositional tool in pop music.
Also putting a 9-minute sound collage on a pop/rock
>>63839207
You do know you're wasting your time thinking what your day is "fact". Want to make sure you're self aware.
>>63839207
>Implying I had anything smart to say
>>63839207
Really?
>>63839273
mothers of invention
>>63839439
Never used tape loops before The Beatles.
>>63839469
>What's the money store
KoRn
>>63839521
Nice shitpost
>clrt f
>No Pixies
Kill ur selves my men.
>>63840078
How are they relevant?
Beatles, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones and Velvet Underground. 5 bands that changed and progressed Rock n Roll forever. Pop rock.
Grateful Dead, Hendrix, and Zappa changed pop and rock into the psychedelic foundation of influence.
Then Queen and Michael Jackson made fag rock pop.
And then Bowie transcended them all as king of rock and pop.
>>63840117
>How are they relevant?
I won't spoonfeed you, I think their wikipedia article is good enough.
Bonus: Thom Yorke refused to play in one festival because the Pixies were their openers, they had to change it so the Pixies closed the festival instead of Radiohead.
>>63840173
>I won't spoonfeed you
It's your argument. If you can't prove your case, then it was never true to begin with
>>63840194
I'm not making an argument here you dingus, I'm simply endorsing you to investigate. Otherwise fuck you the Pixies don't have to prove anything to you.
>>63840255
>I'm not making an argument here you dingus
So you have no argument.
Thought so.
>>63840297
Yeah I said it on my post. Take your autism pills.
>>63840348
You mean this one where you said Pixies >>63840078
Nice backpedaling. if you have no evidence, just say so.
>>63837866
>>63837890
>>63838079
Justin Bieber anyone?
>>63840460
Not really.
WC Handy
Louis Armstrong
Jimmie Rodgers
The Carter Family
James Brown
Bob Dylan
>>63838902
>m-muh dissonant glissandi
>so innovative
>>63838269
Because if you wanted to list every artist the Beatles influenced it would take days.
>>63840631
>it took this long for the creators of jazz, country, modern rnb and modern rock to be mentioned
/mu/'s shit
>>63841483
No one cares about these subgenres anymore. They aren't relevant.
>>63841445
Should be easy to at least name one or two then
>>63841508
Mercury Rev
The Zombies
>>63841505
>historically important musicians aren't relevant to a discussion specifically about music history
And given that Dylan's had an album that made it to number two on billboard in the current decade he's still relevant.
>>63837866
Erik Satie, Robert Johnson, Bob Moog, Johann S Bach, Les Paul, Kraftwerk, Public Enemy
>>63837953
the velvet underground is to alternative music what the beatles are to pop music.
rock and roll is good for the soul and it'll save the planet and it'll solve global warming and it'll solve the economy crisis and it'll save us from politicians and everyone will go to pubs and venues and watch people perform in groups and the venues will be flooded with money and they'll in turn invest it in the music industry and drugs will be for regular people and police won't ever have to mess up anybody's fun because there won't be any crime and people will discuss how chuck berry started it all and that elvis was pretty much a lucky kid but was still shit hot at rock and roll and that all gods and religions can exist and can be celebrated through music which can be all be played at venues, live, where people go and drink OR not drink and fuck OR NOT fuck and all that, and all the g-men and the straights will be scratching their heads wondering why people aren't watching fox news or channel 7 or whatever anymore and instead going out and enjoying themselves in 'public houses' and not believing the narrative that terrorists are out to get you all the time and that you should stay inside with your air conditioning, but instead enjoy safety in numbers - or maybe it'll be hip hop, but i don't reckon it'll be anything without lyrics.
>>63841508
Daniel Johnston and Black Sabbath
>>63841617
Robert Johnson's legend is more influential than Johnson himself.
>>63841577
>CD stores ordered a bunch of copies they didn't actually sell, so it's relevant
Yikes.
>>63841648
He also made it to number one in the 2000s. Why would they continue to order "a bunch of copies" if they didn't sell?
Hank Williams
I don't really know how to phrase this but...in terms of pure image, I think the Stones were the most influential to the "bad boy" culture of rock. Not really talking about music itself here.
>>63841677
>Why would they continue to order "a bunch of copies" if they didn't sell?
To jack up perceived record sales. The stores just return them and they get recycled into new product anyways.
Anyways, if Billboard sales is your rubric, then The Beatles has him beat.
>>63838879
OH YOU GOT DOGGED BRO
>>63837866
OASIS!!!
>>63837866
Can someone explains what's I Am The Walrus is all about?
>>63841758
Nah
Nice try though
>>63841960
It's literally about nothing. Lennon was sick and tired of people looking into the meanings of his songs, so he intended to write a song with no meaning at all.
>>63841726
I've already said I'm using historical importance as my main rubric. If you really want to go down this path Dylan's objectively the most covered artist in history and the most quoted in both literature and court. But that's besides the point anyway, as I've already said, we're talking about historical importance and influence. The artists I've mentioned have reaches that are either as wide or wider than The Beatles. All bits of jazz, be it standards or free jazz has some of the residue of Handy and Armstrong. All country is one way or another linked to Rodgers and The Carter Family (a significant amount of blues is also traced to Rodgers), almost all rock (including psychedelic, prog and punk and any of their offshoots) link back to Dylan.
Why would they continuously do it for Dylan specifically? Especially since during the 80s and 90s he had albums that didn't even chart? Why not an artist who's already a guaranteed minor success in sales?
>>63842150
>If you really want to go down this path Dylan's objectively the most covered artist in history
[citation needed]
>The artists I've mentioned have reaches that are either as wide or wider than The Beatles. All bits of jazz, be it standards or free jazz has some of the residue of Handy and Armstrong. All country is one way or another linked to Rodgers and The Carter Family (a significant amount of blues is also traced to Rodgers), almost all rock (including psychedelic, prog and punk and any of their offshoots) link back to Dylan.
If that's your rubric, all music traces back to neanderthal man banging on stones. Obviously that mindset is ineffective, so we must reject your notion of influence and just take the most direct path
>Why would they continuously do it for Dylan specifically?
Someone (who has publishing stake ion his catalog) needs to perpetuate the mythos of his legendary status.
>>63837866
The Beatles certainly tricked generations of people into thinking they were the greatest things ever. They're the Shakespeare of music.
>>63838817
/r/iamverysmart
>>63841634
>Black Sabbath
>influenced by The Beatles
Kek, they started out as blues band Earth influenced by American Blues, they tried to adapt psychadelic (which The Beatles didn't invent) into the mix but it failed, that's when they went straight rock.
>>63842363
>[citation needed]
Any major biography or study of Dylan as an artist. Song and Dance Man by Michael Gray goes in depth about it.
>If that's your rubric, all music traces back to neanderthal man banging on stones. Obviously that mindset is ineffective, so we must reject your notion of influence and just take the most direct path
You still have yet to prove how any of them are irrelevant. Rock is still a best selling genre, as is RnB (as is hip-hop which is a direct descendant of RnB), as is Country.
>Someone (who has publishing stake on his catalog) needs to perpetuate the mythos of his legendary status.
Dylan alone does (well, he did. He's already given his archives to a university and plans on donating his publishing rights to said university). Why would the rest of the industry go along with him?
>>63842499
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/musicnews/s2934918.htm
>Ozzy Osbourne wanted to be a Beatle
>>63839273
>9-minute sound collage
Which was steaming garbage, how many popular musicians actually make 9-min tracks out of nothing but random noise. Have you ever met anyone that actually ENJOYED Revolution 9?
>>63842505
>Any major biography or study of Dylan as an artist
Which biography has pic related? I'd love to read it!!
>You still have yet to prove how any of them are irrelevant.
Incorrect, I alreday covered that. Read the thread.
>>63842583
>Which was steaming garbage
Not relevant.
>>63842676
>>63842505
Forgot my picture.
>>63842676
Your answers haven't been sufficient. Go case by case, absolutely nothing you've said has convinced me I'm wrong.
>>63842704
>Led Zeppelin is cooler than Bowie
>They literally stole all their music
>People are still mourning Bowie's death to earn cool points
CLT is alive and well I take it.
>>63837866
CCR
And even if what you're saying is true, just how do The Beatles still hold a claim to importance and influence in ways the other artists haven't?
>>63837866
The beatles are influential in the sense that they inspired many people to play music. Their sctual sound was not nearly as emulated as the rolling stones or many other artists
Big Daddy Kane
>>63842704
Traditional Folk is my favorite artist
>>63842801
The Beatles is literally pleb music.
There are people who own more Beatles shirts than they know Beatles songs, don't know who George Harrison is, and own tons of Abbey Road shit despite that being one of their weakest albums.
Same thing with Bob Marley, his music was amazing but the only people who talk about him, wear shirts with his face on them, and shallowly talk about stuff he never said are stoned teenagers and 20-something burnouts without jobs that smoke weed everyday with their high school friends
>>63843009
>despite that being one of their weakest albums
But Abbey road is their best album
>>63843059
>he's never heard Revolver
>>63837866
Cold Chisel
>>63837866
Nirvana, AC/DC, Van Halen, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, The Allman Brothers Band, The Clash, Metallica, Weezer.
>>63843252
>>63843059
Well, here's the best two albums.
The correct answer is Frank Zappa
>cmd+F
>no Josquin des Prez
what a bunch of plebs
kanye
>>63841632
use more punctuation
the stones were shit
>>63842747
Ignorance is bliss.
Also see >>63842704
You are straight up wrong about your claims.
Beach Boys
Prince
Joy Division/New Order
>>63841632
I just love this new pasta
>>63838090
They were innovative in their use of the entire studio as an instrument but they are coequal with the Beach Boys in this respect.
