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>>63802167
>Not posting the full image
>>63802167
>>63802311
Kek
>>63802311
lel
>>63802322
>>63802311
checked
>>63802167
thinking about a different way to lay it out. genres are not strictly limited to levels, but serve as examples.
Level 1: Strictly melody driven
>Radio pop, grunge revival, indie rock & folk, popular hip-hop, some EDM, most metal
Level 2: Strictly beat driven
>instrumental & old-school hip-hop, reggae & dub, hard bop, deep house
Level 3: Melody & beat driven
>IDM, blues, funk, dancehouse, prog rock, psychedelic rock, math rock
Level 4: Timbre & melody driven:
>noise rock, acid house, ambient, shoegaze, sludge/drone metal, punk
Level 5: Timbre & beat driven:
>some krautrock, industrial, crust punk
Level 6: Purely timbre driven:
>harsh noise, microsound, glitch
heres mine, did it quicly, so don't be mad if it sucks
>>63802494
what would an example of electronic serialism be?
>>63802494
Bretty good tbqh
>>63802311
close enough
>>63802521
>21▶
>>>63802494 (You)
>what would an example of electronic serialism be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap_A6TgVhdU
>>63802494
>prog
>weird
Choose one.
>>63802571
I tried to make this from a normal persons point of view, not music fans like us here on /mu/ or on rym.
>>63802605
Pink Floyd's DSOTM is one of the best selling album ever. So imo even a "normal" person could consider entry level prog as mainstream, unless you're in highschool.
>>63802311
lol nice
>>63802662
turns out genres can be diverse, dummy
Dark Side of the Moon is accessible, but is Third?
>>63802662
Well, i was talking more along the lines of more advanced prog, like KC and Gryphon.
>>63802678
>>63802692
That's why I said "entry level prog". Of course bands like Soft Machine ain't accessible. But prog bands like Yes or Genesis are far to be weird.
>>63802740
>posting this garbage
>>63802453
>Radio pop but like in a detached way
>>63802494
Gregorian chanting actually sounds great to my ears
>>63802787
your ears are wrong
>>63802800
What? Gregorian Chanting is fucking great.
>>63802767
You do know that words can sometimes really hurt
>>63802817
this.
don't know what he's on about either
still, disattached from the social dogma =/= bad
>>63802544
That is interesting nonetheless
>>63802867
Yes, it is.
>>63802887
>>63802867
no it's not it's autistic
>>63802899
How is early christian music autistic? Please explain?
>>63802918
I mean, Stockhausen, sorry.
>>63802740
>Physical Porn
wouldn't that just be fucking
>>63802969
physical media
>>63802414
>strictly beat driven
>hard bop
>timbre driven
>crust punk
??
>>63802453
>death grips at the bottom
kek
>>63802414
I like that idea.
The levels aren't clear-cut though — imagine a microtonal contemporary classical piece with a typical 4/4 time signature for instance, it would be "melody driven" but still be an acquired taste. Conversely, some people like to listen to edited nature recordings (purely timbre-driven) in the background, just to relax.
>>63802453
... Why Bach?
>>63802494
Nice, I agree with most of those.
Schlager is definitely level 1 if you live in Germany, I'm even tempted to put it at a negative level — most of it is awful if you care about the music itself in the slightest, it mostly exists because of its social function. I don't think many people could bear to listen to an entire schlager record and actually enjoy it. Unlike piano sonatas, soul, hip hop etc which are music most people can enjoy without effort.
I find ambient completely effortless to get into, it's interesting to see that people react differently to it. Had trouble getting into glam rock though.
... I must confess I still don't know what trap is.
>>63802969
>>63803003
How about audio porn vinyl?
I'm sure it exists somewhere.
where would gabber go? and what about techno in general
>>63803140
probably outsider
not trying to say anything about whether it's good or not, naturally
>>63803115
>some people like to listen to edited nature recordings (purely timbre-driven) in the background, just to relax.
Theyre not really listening to it as music when they do that though. There's a difference in the way fans of yoga rain forest soundtracks think about field recordings as compared to fans of something like lopez
>>63803115
J.S. Bach's music seems to appeal to a sense of perfection itself, so it seems like something someone who was just totally detached from any social bias would listen to
>>63803172
like musical perfection I mean. Everything just fits together really perfectly, it's simple, natural sounding. Like listening to nothing, but instead it's something nice
>>63802414
>crust punk level 5
crust punk sucksass and has no musical merit. its basically radio pop with shit edgelord vocals and fuckcapitalismman lyrics
shit/10
>>63802453
>twee, emo, indie rock, metalcore, gangsta rap
>not pleb
gtfo
>>63802453
>Minimalism is level 3 weird tier
Wut mate? do you even know the early works of Steve Reich?
>>63803293
all the people I know that are really into twee have some weird baggage. emo and metalcore are angsty, and decent, somewhat weird and passionate still seem to be largely attracted to indie and gangsta rap
>>63803003
>>63802969
videodrome
>>63803321
*somewhat weird and passionate PEOPLE still seem to be largely attracted to indie and gangsta rap
Decided to make one. I know I left some stuff out
>>63802544
Didn't they play this in that episode of spongebob where squidward gets frozen for thousands of years?
>>63803358
nice youtube comment
>>63803321
>impyling get rich or die trying wasnt one of the biggest rao albums of the 2000s
>implying every suburban high school loser didnt straighten his hair, wear v necks, and see dance gaving dance at the warp tour
>implying that they dont blast shitty twee "folk" music out of every urban outfitters/aerican apparel
>implying plebs dont have emotional baggage
>implying pavement isnt corporate
>>63803393
I feel like "normal pleb" is a misleading category, I don't take this chart to be about how accessible/inaccessible the music is or patrician/pleb. it's just what weird vs normal people listen to, barring the fact that they probably all mostly listen to the same thing
>tfw you were tricked by people on mu that level 6 shit is actually "good" so when you put on a new album and you hear pitch shifted scraping metal or no sounds at all it doesnt even phase you anymore
>>63802662
DSOTM isn't prog
>>63803345
What is your guys' definition of minimalism?
That shit is definitely below level 3/4.
>>63803299
>>63803431
A lot of it is good, though... What did you listen to?
>>63803172 >>63803202
I see what you mean, but that aim towards perfection is precisely one of the things that make Bach appeal to a wide audience in my opinion. Although only few people who listen to Bach will hear exactly why it's brilliant, it's easy to hear that it is beautiful.
My mom has little interest in music, she doesn't like most popular genres or anything that's "noisy" or "weird", she hates contemporary classical but she loves Bach's Christmas oratorio for instance. I think lots of people are like that.
I think most popular music is popular precisely because it aims towards "pure" universal ideals — beauty, desire, harmony, love, bliss etc. On the other hand, music that voluntarily gets away from universal ideals and is harsh, dissonant etc. will usually only appeal to a niche audience. Of course people who themselves want to be "perfect" in every way can be seen as weirdos, but it's not the same with music.
>>63803442
stuff like It's Gonna Rain is definitely minimalism but that's not the majority of the genre. Most of Steve Reich, Philip Glass, and Terry Riley isn't that hard to grasp
>>63803345
>>63802453
>>63802494
Don't forget New Complexity.
>>63803470
I agree. I suppose Bach would also fall under the category of "radio classical," and so he would be placed both in the pleb and most "patrician" category on my chart. If it wouldn't defeat the purpose of making a spectrum, I'd be more accurate and list other things in multiple categories
>>63803299
Do you think it should be higher or lower? It's pretty broad like any genre, I guess. wouldn't be higher than level 3 because it's always rhythmically appealing, at least. But some is very accessible and popular
>>63803431
Level 6 is not "what any music listener should get to enjoy once they've listened to the previous levels". Level 6 means it's an acquired taste, hard to get into, not for everyone. Nobody's trying to trick you, at least not with these charts. Nobody even claims deeper levels are the best or most rewarding.
>>63803525
>>63803496
I personally have virtually never met anyone in the 20-40 age range who listens to Music for 18 Musicians or Trains from Reich. Putting it on equal footing with Trance and black metal is a bit 'unfair' imo.
just saying its your guys' lists
>>63803234
>he doesnt like cursed
>>63803647
Different experiences I guess, but I've met plenty. It's people on the levels above that I start having difficulties finding...
>>63802453
Mostly 3, been heading into the 4 zone.
Kekd at radio pop in a detached way.
>>63803660
>band that completely proves his point about genre being shit edgelord that high schoolers in allston rep
>>63803773
beautiful
>>63803678
Where do you find them irl though?
>>63804509
well, online people I eventually meet irl mostly... there are still a lot more of them than the lower levels. but also, some of my old high school friends ended up being fans, and some people I've met in college
>>63803773
perfection.
>>63802544
this is shit
why is this considered the peak of music
>>63802666
fuck you
>>63802740
i'm level 3
>>63804834
because try-hards think "inaccessibility=greatness"
Where would this album land on the scale?
>>63804834
it's not. all that's implied is that social freaks listen to it
>>63803773
>Obsessviley
>>63802494
>david bowie at 4
>demilich, ildjarn at 2
explain this meme
>>63803773
Obsessively listens to all Brian Jonestown Massacre releases? Or did you mean BNM = Best New Music?
Great pic anyway.
>>63805215
What is danger music? I'd guess it's any form of sound art that can cause major damage to your hearing or stuff. Am I right?
>>63802969
it's blowing off the dust from your uncle's stack of porn mags
>>63805132
Straddling 3 and 4, maybe?
>>63805215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0fvUgvvQg
>>63802662
DSOTM is art rock
which should not be that low
>>63805293
nah, you are thinking of metal shows
danger music just means trying to make you as uncomfortable as possible sonicaly
>>63805290
antonnewcombegodstar777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1yr8w_vZ5E
>>63805293
Stuff like Hanatarash where they would drive into a venue with a bulldozer and start crushing metal and shit
Also Takehisa Kosugi's Music for a Revolution which requires you to remove one of your eyes in five years or something
>>63805284
>don't be mad if it sucks
Are you by any chance autistic?
>>63805303
>>63805387
I mean I listen to Ildjarn and Demilich so of course I am. Literally though.
>>63805341
That's what harsh noise and dark ambient mostly do to me
>>63805293
Okay, I could have just googled it, didn't expect to get any results
>>63805215
You forgot, NOAA underwater recordings for level 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU4jMs7EeUI
>>63805514
This.
If you haven't listened to a 168 hour recording of the marianas trench, you're just a fucking pleb. Plain and simple.
>>63805547
>>63805514
where could I find these? I have some deep sea recordings but nothing from NOAA
>>63805582
that's the thing, man. You have to call NOAA and volunteer for them to get access to the archive. It's pretty awesome. Not hard, just a couple hours answering phones or reading e-mails. Some next level shit, for sure.
>>63805797
>painting with way at the top
someone's butthurt
>>63805834
It's about accessibility
I love MPP and it's the second highest album there
Strange but cool music thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnV7uPizrE
>>63806011
kys
>>63805357
Could be Rudolf Eb.Er considered danger music?
And what level would his art be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmNYWTpYj8M
>tfw when I'm slowly descending to level 6 on most of these
>>63806889
it's a good feel
>>63806889
>>63807022
pretentious cunts no one actually listens to serialism and noise walls unironically
>>63807050
>what I personally listen to is what everyone else listens to
we can have different tastes senpai
>>63802453
>twee
>radio pop like in a detatched way
>>63807080
im not talking about taste im talking about listening to purely intellectual wank-pieces designed to impress other intellectual wankers. Like yowie is to rock.
it's not taste it's the act of listening to it that's pretentious
>>63807157
i don't listen to it so i can feel superior, i listen to it because I like it
>>63807179
which of those genres do you like?
because they weren't made to be liked
gimme some youtube links
>>63807203
I was mainly referring to Jandek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dLhTIUVyY
and field recordings and stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcmYE407tvg
idk why you're assuming that someone literally can't enjoy this
>>63807270
jandek and microsound recordings aren't the kinda thing i was talking about, soz to criticise that, im all up for this sort of stuff
it's when people listen intellectual things that aren't designed to be enjoyed to prove themselves is what annoys me
>>63807203
>>63807451
>intellectual things that aren't designed to be enjoyed
>>63807451
I'm a huge fan of modern and contemporary classical and I swear it's not wank. it's pretty rooted in theory like any classical music, but that doesn't mean the quality of classical music is judged by its theoretical beauty or something. it's not too different from common practice classical in effect
>>63806011
Literal idiot.
>>63805797
i don't understand why danse manatee is considered so 2deep4me. some songs would fight right on stgstv - not necessarily radio friendly but certainly not mind melting. am i missing the lack of accessibility here?
>>63807576
literal idiot
