Old thread: >>63794963
>>63797489
I love thrash but that album is so overrated.
It's not bad or anything, there's just so much better stuff out there, in the form of both more popular and much less popular records
Punk is better than Metal
JEEEVI MEETAAAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf92IhVzq6U
>http://strawpoll.me/7275500/r
>Deafheaven is less hated than Avenged Sevenfold
JUST
>>63797481
the original version of that is from 1984, and that's a poser 1998 metallica cover, so it doesn't mean anything, it's metallica trying to look punk and edgy by covering discharge
>>63797497
correct, they literally did not
>>63797504
tons of death metal bands have covered iron maiden, doesn't mean iron maiden was a significant influence on death metal
Vio-lence is goat
>>63797489
>fucking hourlong boring ass discussion on punk and metal influence, in favor of punk at the end
>OP undoes everything
kek
MY LIFE BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT TWELVE
>>63797513
post better thrash, i dare you
>>63797546
>in favor of punk at the end
you wish
>>63797521
MOSHEANDO MOSHEANDO
Which hoodies or shirts should i be getting from here?
shop-hellsheadbangers.com
>>63797538
Do you even know what influences are? Of course it wasn't Iron Maiden that influenced any death metal bands. It was the death metal that existed before death metal existed. Just like all the thrash that didn't exist before thrash metal influenced thrash metal.
theory: punk and metal are the same thing
>>63797546
>>OP undoes everything
You mean the thread hit it's bump limit?
>>63797538
>doesn't mean iron maiden was a significant influence on death metal
Considering just about every Metal band on Earth would cite Iron Maiden as an influence, it kinda does.
Why are you insisting so hard that Hardcore didn't influence Thrash, when 80's Thrashers themselves say that it did
>>63797565
POWER FROM HELL - Devil's Whorehouse (T-Shirt -OR- Girlie)
>>63797572
my point is that the relevant hardcore didn't come before thrash, it came AFTER. bands like cromags, agnostic front, etc were all extremely metal influenced.
>>63797602
just because you influence a 13 year old kid to pick up the guitar doesn't mean you get to claim influence over the innovative shit he creates at age 21 in a seminal death metal band
>>63797538
You've already admitted thrash was influenced by hardcore, however minimally.
>>63797632
of course, my point is that people were acting like hardcore was a major influence on thrash metal which simply wasn't true.
>>63797555
>post better thrash, i dare you
All of the Big Four's most prominent albums
Toxik
Realm
Forbidden
Aspid
Coroner
Sodom
Artillery
I'll post more when I get home and I have some of my albums to go through and pick some stuff.
>when you realize there is no end game to life and that we just get old and die
metal for this feel
>I find it weird that outside of /metal/, everyone from normies to musical critics considered knowledgeable and reputable act as if it's a given that thrash was influenced by hardcore.
>everyone else says it, must be true :^)
try making your own argument and see where that leads you
>>63797646
not fair to compare tech-thrash to one of the original thrash albums desu
>>63797655
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xy9GeJsA6A
>>63797628
Yes but if the 13 year old kid says you did, it's different story
>>63797655
Kill 'Em All and Peace Sells
I'm serious. Listen to them again.
>>63797644
I just posted a song.
>>63797681
which one?
>>63797661
>try making your own argument and see where that leads you :^)
>>63797655
All of it basically.
>>63797661
>not fair to compare tech-thrash to one of the original thrash albums desu
Eeeeh I guess
I still prefer something like Eternal Nightmare or Possessed by Fire over Bonded by Blood. To be honest, I even like stuff that was heavily influenced by Exodus/BbB like Power and Pain by Whiplash more than BbB itself.
does /metal/ like waka flocka?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngg1zDHPVuw
How the fuck is thrash hardcore influenced exactly? This is some serious hipster bullshit and I am calling it. Thrash just took NWOBHM and played it faster, and you faggots need to just shut the fuck up about hardcore punk and thrashcore garbage memes
new ripper's pretty good
anyone else is hyped for new NAILS?
>>63797792
Stop disputing common knowledge for the sake of being difficult.
>>63797755
>Possessed by Fire
are you kidding? that's nothing but a shitty slayer and exodus ripoff
What are starter black metal bands?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUEQkjBnBz0
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stone_Vengeance/485
Stone Vengeance formed in 1978, they are all niggers, they couldn't even get a demo going until 1985 but they were still playing, and they talking openly about hardcore punk influence and about thrash being hardcore/NWOBHM
https://books.google.ca/books?id=wcE0AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=kirk+hammett+punk+influence&source=bl&ots=4JgoMMCNA1&sig=coLQjtfo0dNhCi9tGNFpcy0IhL0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjlrYqXuPTLAhUHuoMKHSEqDZkQ6AEITTAJ#v=onepage&q=kirk%20hammett%20punk%20influence&f=false
>>63797533
don't blame me i voted for dream theater
>>63797822
how about you actually give evidence
here's an interview from 1983, they cite motorhead and diamond head, not punk
>>63797822
>common knowledge
how is it common knowledge? Give me the proof. Give me Hammett openly admitting it or something
>>63797618
Are they a good band to jock?
>>63797861
here's another from a decade later, note their diverse influences yet they don't mention a single punk band
>>63797881
no idea I just saw nice boobs etc.
>>63797821
I am now.
>>63797861
Lemmy on Motorhead
>"we sounded like a punk band but looked like a rock band"
http://thequietus.com/articles/05405-motorhead-lemmy-interview
punk influence: 1
you: suck a dick
>>63797792
hardcore and thrashcore influenced grind tho
>>63797565
You should go buy some Midnight merch. Bitches love Midnight
>>63797857
date formed means nothing, blind illusion formed in the late 70s but they were aor until they started hiring ex-exodus/possessed members
obviously some bands would form in the bay area scene influenced by hardcore, but those still came after metallica/exodus/slayer who were the pioneers
>>63797911
motorhead influenced discharge, not the other way around retard
do you even know what punk sounded like back in lemmy's day?
>>63797912
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THRASH, THE GREATEST GENRE NOT YOUR MEMECORE
>>63797925
>grind
>not the greatest
>>63797922
Sure motorhead influenced the punk at the time, but they were themselves punk influenced, as lemmy just fucking said, and motorhead influenced metallica
>>63797540
Rob Flynn needs to stop writing love letters to Phil Anselmo and reunite Vio-Lence.
>>63797947
you're seriously stretching now
even if that was true, it was the most metallic/speedy songs that show obvious influence on metallica, not the punk rock boogies that lemmy sometimes did
>>63797922
slayer had punk influence it was in the last thread
>>63797975
Lemmy
>we were punk rock
Metallica
>we were influenced by Lemmy
Thrash
>influenced by punk
Is it worth it to drive all of the way to Baltimore and spend $200 just to see Nuclear Assault, Testament, Exciter, Destroyer 666, Excel, and Demolition Hammer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZBKiijndMU
Why do we have to slowly and painfully figure out what is completely obvious to everyone?
metallica fucking worshipped the misfits and discharge, i don't see why it's so hard to believe that some of that worship would translate into influence
>>63797489
Punk influenced Thrash. If you honestly think otherwise, that's worth about one chuckle.
What do you guys think of the Graveland first ever live performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmhCptWuA30
>>63797979
on reign in blood, years after thrash started
the first two albums had basically no punk influence
more importantly, kerry king said that it was opening for exodus when they decided to stop wearing make up and play thrashier stuff
>>63797993
where did lemmy say he was influenced by punk? just because motorhead arguably sounded punk-y doesn't mean lemmy was that influenced by punk.
>>63798010
>>63798013
prove it, i just posted a scan from 1983 and 1993 where they mention no punk influence
>TFW I was shaving my neck while listening to dying fetus
the groove was 2 good
It has often been said that Dave Mustaine wrote all of the riffs to Metallica's Kill 'Em All, but that's simply not true.
Brian Tatler of Diamond Head did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz7eeOe0gNU
>>63798006
i'd pay 200 ameribucks just to see Demolition Hammer alone ťbh
>>63798032
true dat
mustaine was a very talented hack
Not even joking, oaty
>>63798021
>show no mercy, the punkiest slayer album, had no punk influence
>>63797947
>>63797975
Why do you guys think it's impossible for two genres to influence each OTHER? The line between punk and metal is arbitrarily drawn anyway. Just accept that some metal subgenres are inherently closer to punk and some punk genres are inherently closer to metal.
>>63798021
>>63797911
Lemmy said Motorhead WAS punk rock.
So Slayer sees Exodus, and decides to become more punk influenced, is what you're saying?
Also Hanneman and King were both hardcore fans before RIB
>>63798021
I'm sure he just has that tattoo because it looks cool
>>63798056
I am arguing pro-influence, he is saying it is one-sided at best
>>63798062
*had
>>63798062
well damn
>>63798050
punkiest? you mean maideniest. full of harmonized melodies and galloping and other nwobhm stuff.
>>63798056
i know they did, my point is that thrash metal would have been invented even if hardcore didn't exist, because it already existed in 1981/82 with venom and metallica
>>63798058
no he didn't
hanneman being a hardcore fan doesn't mean that much. burton was a fan of jazz and avant-shit, doesn't mean you can call thrash jazz-influenced
>>63798082
No one is fucking saying that thrash wouldn't have been invented.
>>63798021
>prove it
hetfield doing guest vocals on the first danzig album
metallica taking danzig on tour as opener
metallica covering the misfits live on a regular basis
metallica having danzig joining them onstage several times
the garage cover
all those fucking photos of metallica with misfits patches and shirts and shit
why's it so hard for you to accept this
>>63798062
as i said, burton didn't join until kill em all was already basically written. on top of that, burton was the one moving away from thrash more than anyone.
>>63798093
sure they are. if hardcore was such an important influence like the meme goes ("thrash was created by a fusion of nwobhm and hardcore punk"), then thrash shouldn't have existed without hardcore punk
This is a stupid conversation.
>>63798082
don't try to tell me this song doesn't sound hardcore as fuck influenced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKb-u4Vt5g
WE WILL STAND BY HIS SIDE
MAGIC WINGS HE WILL RIDE
LIKE A MIGHTY FLAME OVER FOREST AND HILLS
THUNDER STRIKES WHEN HE FLIES
THERE IS LIGHTNING IN HIS EYES
THE ENCHANTEEED DRAAGON OF WIIIIIIISDOOOOM
>>63798102
the first danzig album was 1988, you stupid fuck
might as well say southern rock was a huge influence on thrash because he liked lynyrd skynyrd
>>63798116
not even remotely, show me a single hardcore band that sounds like that
>>63798108
Fine
>>63798109
i agree, we should get back to posting charts and the neverending memehating instead of actually doing something on topic for once, music discussion is stupid
>>63798082
>no he didnt
you didn't watch the video
>>63798134
>the first danzig album was 1988, you stupid fuck
>what is paying tribute to a longtime influence
you're too fucking stupid to talk to, bye
>>63798143
>>63798134
>show me a single hardcore band that sounds like that
hardcore influenced=/=carbon copy
>>63798134
>the first danzig album was 1988
Because he was in the fucking Misfits during the late 70's and early 80's
I swear you're just trolling now
>>63798108
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/wtf/thrash_metal_wouldnt_exist_without_glam_says_metallica_frontman_james_hetfield.html?no_takeover
>>63798149
guess what? punk was still nascent in lemmy's time. "punk" didn't mean what you think it means today.
>>63798160
you should be able to show something that sounds like it even if it's not a copy
>>63798167
so show me an interview of metallica, slayer, exodus, or venom from the early 80s where they cite the misfits as an influence. i already posted one where they did not.
>>63798159
misfits were actually a "cool" band to like until the graves/hot topic years
everyone from metallica in the early 80s to wolf eyes in the mid 90s worshipped that shit
>>63798184
Lemmy on Motorhead
>"we sounded like a punk band but looked like a rock band"
>>63798117
STAAAAAARS AAAAAARE SHIIIIIINING ON AAAAA BRIIIIIGHT NIGHT
A HEEEEEEEERO IS RISING
GUIDED BY LIIIIIIIIGHT
FIIIIIIIIIREEEEEEEEEEE, GLORIOUS FIIIIIREEEEE
BURNIIIIIIIIIIIIING WITHIN HIS HEAAAAAAAAAAAAART
>>63798169
what are you referring to, "they thought we were punk rock"? guess what, maiden got billed as punk in the late 70s as well and steve harris fucking hated punk.
>>63798189
that's my point, they were cool to like but weren't an actual influence on thrash
>>63798191
show me a punk band from the mid/late 70s that sounded like motorhead without being influenced by motorhead
>>637981814
I am talking about how Lemmy describes the sound of Motorhead as "like punk" not "they thought we were punk". He said Motorhead sounded like punk.
>Motorhead has distinct Punk sound
>Metallica is influenced by Motorhead
>Metallica makes Thrash Metal
>Thrash Metal is influenced by Motorhead
>Thrash Metal is Influenced by Punk
>Punk wasn't an influence on thrash metal
Have you guys ever heard either of those genres? Who the fuck would ever argue that thrash didn't have its roots in punk too?
>>63798214
>that's my point, they were cool to like but weren't an actual influence on thrash
So I guess Hetfield and Burton were just posers who didn't actually like the Misfits
>>63798234
again, only in a remote sense
you could make the same argument to say heavy metal was influenced by progressive rock, or other influences that were tangential at best
>>63798240
what roots are you referring to?
>>63798243
no, i'm sure they liked them, but the misfits' music had no musical influence on metallica or thrash on the whole.
>>63798256
>Riffs
>Aggressive lyrics
>Attitude
>Fashion
>Speed
>>63798184
>you should be able to show something that sounds like it even if it's not a copy
let's take this per say, you have to agree at least the drumming in thrash was hardcore influenced if not anything else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30IxUEwjRkQ
>>63798240
This.
It's accepted by just about everyone accept for the retard in this thread that Punk is basically proto-Metal
>>63798285
IF punk is proto-metal, then what is proto-punk?
>>63798273
>Riffs
nope, almost entirely from the nwobhm, especially venom and diamond head
>Aggressive lyrics
to some extent, but minor, bands like exodus were plenty aggressive without punk
>Attitude
see above
>Fashion
not true at all, and who cares anyways?
>Speed
listen to some judas priest
>>63798285
>I have no argument, but I'm sure glad other people agree with me!
>>63798296
Rock & Roll
>>63798296
surf rock
>>63798256
>again, only in a remote sense
is that a yes?
>>63798296
rock n roll
>>63798277
that would be one of the biggest musical influences, but even there it's only a half-truth. the original thrash bands almost never used d-beats, it only became more common in later crossover thrash bands.
>>63798307
it's a "if you're going to say that counts, then you may as well count anything"
>>63798296
surf rock
>>63798319
That's a yes.
punk influenced confirmed, you cannot argue with this now
Guys, hardcore punk which is a derivative of traditional punk was the most important and active scene in Los Angeles between 1980 and 1983. Metallica were piecing together in LA around this time.
Now that's not to say that Metallica weren't also influenced by a number of NWOBHM bands, but come on -- there wasn't a single band unscathed from the hardcore explosion in the early 80s.
>>63798300
>>63798306
>>63798309
>>63798320
So bands like the Stooges are surf rock??
>>63798319
the whole point of this conversation is to prove you that thrash is obviously influenced by hardcore punk, nobody's denying the speedy nwobhm influence
>>63798285
>It's accepted by just about everyone accept for the retard in this thread that Punk is basically proto-Metal
then what the fuck is deep purple, sabbath, judas priest, etc. "dadrock shit"?
Another interesting thing to note is that hardcore punk bands and traditional punk bands have both gone on record citing Sabbath as a huge influence, so the wheel never ends.
>>63798296
garage rock
>>63798330
i said from the beginning that there was some punk influence, my point is that it was minor and inconsequential to the development of thrash metal, which was 100% derived from the nwobhm.
>>63798333
guess what? punk was also a much bigger scene than metal in the uk in the late 70s, that didn't stop the few metal bands from holding out.
>>63798348
a few musicians that happened to play thrash had some hardcore punk influence, but thrash itself was entirely derived from venom, diamond head, and other nwobhm bands
Was Elvis the original Punk rocker?
>>63798353
yeah we know asshole we've gone over that like 5 times in the last two threads
proto-death incoming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfxv_lw2CDw
>>63798353
true, punk was basically the retarded spoiled step-child of metal that got what it wanted by being obnoxious
>>63798361
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT72CgEJQNQ
>>63798357
doesn't matter
that was a yes
>>63798376
i gave someone a yes on that point back in the previous thread
that's not the point
the point is that "metal + hardcore = thrash" is an extremely inaccurate meme
it's more like metal --> thrash, and hardcore + thrash = crossover and metalcore
I wouldn't call punk proto metal. Punk is punk. Sabbath isn't even proto metal. It's metal hands down, although some people could stretch it and say it's blues hard rock. You can make the same argument for Priest. Either way they were both unarguably heavy metal bands by the '80s, when metal really started to define itself as its own genre and not an offshoot variant of hard rock.
Punk never really mingled in with metal. For the most part it's a completely separate entity with exception to crossover and mixed influences. There were and are still elements traded in from both, because they're so close to each other in spirit as cultural forms, but metal is its own animal.
>tfw cant wear a misfits shirt anymore because shit is too meme'd
>>63798102
fuck the misfits, they covered discharge songs
>>63798021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT9OSa3WLL0
Thrash metal (or simply thrash) is a style of Metal music that originated in the United States in 1980-1981 under the heavy influence of British bands such as Venom and Motörhead and in reaction to another style of American rock / metal music that arose at the time, Glam Metal. Bands like Metallica, Slayer and Exodus took the roughest aspects of the NWOBHM sound and focused on writing fast and energetic songs with riffs which focused more on rhythmic than melodic qualities and laid out simple melodies over palm-muted pedal-point notes, so-called skank beats, derived from Hardcore Punk, where a straight bass/snare beat in 4/4 is played as fast as possible, shred guitar solos, shouted, often unmelodic vocals, and songwriting which, at its most extreme, was simply aimed at cramming as many riffs as possible in the span of a few minutes. Lyrics dealt with themes such as war, violence, satanism and Cold War paranoia while oftentimes including sociopolitical commentary, as well as more lighthearted topics like skating, partying and getting drunk. The first full-length studio-produced thrash metal albums were Metallica's Kill 'Em All and Slayer's Show No Mercy, both released in 1983.
>>63798398
have you even been paying attention at all
>>63798400
Just fucking wear one, Misfits and Ramones shirts are a damned sight better than Nirvana shirts
>>63798387
If at any point in this thread you'd just said that yes, there was punk influence, but the main influence was NWOBHM, we would have been done this so much earlier. It was like pulling teeth to get it from you. Don't be afraid to meet people half-way and admit when there is some validity to their claims, because it makes you and your claims seem more reasonable
>>63798401
he calls them a rock n roll band primarily
>>63798404
>o-called skank beats, derived from Hardcore Punk, where a straight bass/snare beat in 4/4 is played as fast as possible
post a thrash metal song from 1981-1983 with drumming like that
>>63798401
metallica covered discharge too
WRITE A FUCKING BOOK FAGGOTS
>>63798436
in the late 90s
>>63798429
>calls them
motorhead ARE a rock n' roll band, punk is more like rock n' roll than metal any way
>>63798436
what? that's what I said? Metallica covered discharge songs...why are you repeating me?
all that needs to be said about punk
https://youtu.be/J7SfKahrNbw?t=363
>>63798429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlxEejhHfr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CoGDjtBtVE
>>63798465
er, at 5:03
>>63798410
Not to you, no.
>>63798476
>6:03
>>63798469
welp that about drives the last nail in the coffin
>>63798460
>motorhead ARE a rock n' roll band, punk is more like rock n' roll than metal any way
that's my point
so does that mean thrash has a significant "rock n roll" influence?
>>63798469
first one only for a brief bit, it's obvious that lars wasn't much into that.
lombardo is on record saying that clive burr was his biggest influence. that's more of a metal polka beat than a proper punk drumming rhythm, doesn't have the write kick rhythm to it.
>>63798505
well it is a derivative of rock music, so it's hard to argue there isn't influence
>this is what you're spending so much on energy defending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU305UJyDfA
>>63798505
>so does that mean thrash has a significant "rock n roll" influence
Yes.
>>63798531
what's your point
>>63798531
yeah let's shitpost about things we don't like instead
immortal is shit lol
>new Blizaro and Howls of Ebb this month
hype time boys
Dan Spitz was the lead guitarist for Anthrax from 1983 to 1995, and again from 2005 through 2007. Prior to Anthrax, he was briefly a member of Overkill. He left music altogether in 1995, citing a loss of interest, and eventually became a certified master Swiss watch maker, which is still his primary occupation.
>>63798534
so let's just say everything was invented by black people in the early 1900s :^)
>>63798531
Get that shit out of here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etrb25WNE4A
>>63798545
wait have you guys not been shitposting about thrash not having hardcore influence this entire time
EYE FOR AN EYE
TOOF FOR A TOOF
>>63798553
That's such a strawman.
>>63798555
>actual music discussion for once
>shitposting
also you got it the other way around, there's only one guy shitposting about hardcore not having influence on thrash
>>63798573
that's not a strawman is
i'm not saying you were literally making that exact argument
i'm saying you could stretch anything far back enough TO make that argument if you wanted
to say rock n roll was a major influence on thrash is silly
it would make more sense to say that thrash was an influence on crunkcore
>>63798574
not having a TANGIBLE influence in its formation
i'm saying thrash existed before those guys really cared about hardcore for the most part
obviously as the bands got faster and more aggressive, some of them (like slayer) took in hardcore influence to get thrash moving even further
and then you have some full-circle shit like demolition hammer and stuff being influenced by early nyhc which was heavily influenced by thrash
>>63798586
>it would make more sense to say that thrash was an influence on crunkcore
>>63798586
That is what a strawman is. You're exaggerating the implications of the argument to make a stupid and nonsensical counter argument.
"The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition." - Pirie, Madsen (2007). How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic. UK: Continuum International Publishing Group. pp. 155–157.
>>63798599
nigga you lost
This album was influenced by hardcore punk rock and traditional rock & roll, because it contains all of the elements associated with both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14btYfUBpoI
>>63798668
>contains all of the elements
It contains some of the elements associated with both. If it had all of the elements it would sound like Bob Dylan and Black Flag, which isn't even possible.
>>63798628
no, it would only be a strawman if i literally accused you of the rock n roll thing. i didn't covertly replace shit, i overtly made an analogy.
>>63798668
this man gets it
>>63797533
>T R A N S C E N D E N T A L
Honestly I'm baffled as to how Liturdgy was the least hated.
>>63798768
they havent influenced as much trash as the other options, which is what the pole is trying to measure
>>63798686
>bob dylan
>traditional rock and roll
there are so many other things you could have said
why bob dylan
>>63798803
because he;s proly a plebe
any decent melodeath from last year?
twice huh
>>63798864
offhand I think all I got was The Agonist but I really liked it
>>63798668
>my (guy on the right) face when
hardcore
>>63799400
dubs
thrash metal
![jorge_hardcore[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4jT9m9C.jpg "jorge_hardcore[1].jpg")
hard thrash
metalcore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4YgkySYlN4
Post guilty pleasures.
>>63798891
You with that fucking filename.
>from Bay Area to Essen all major thrash bands state that their were influenced by hardcore
>all of them cover hardcore songs in their career
>all include D-Beat into their sounds
>/mu/ argues whether HC had an influence on thrash
>>63797882
>>63797861
Metallica and Lars especially are bad examples. These guys are liars/drunks very early in their career. They stat different influences in almost every interview.
This is the best gorguts album, I finally see
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dW78R5VC1MU
i didn't follow the discussion but the thread hypothesis is simply ridiculous. no one can be so ignorant to genuinely believe that, right?
>>63799791
It really requires much more atentive listening compared to obscura and their later works where every part jumps out at you and screams I'M WEIRD
test
>>63799839
*raises spork* that seems great
>>63799827
It is even funnier if you have actually read some introduction stuff on metal written by musicologists.
>>63799872
why would you think i haven't?
>>63797792
>he thinks NWOBHM is a genre and not a diverse movement
I bet you thin Motörhead is NWOBHM.
>>63799888
You? I don't know are you the guy who denies the HC influence on Thrash? Cause that either hasn't read it or didn't understand it.
>>63798962
>that fucking belly shirt
>those short shorts
>>63799903
>1982
>not being fly as fvck
>>63799901
no, i'm the one you replied to.
>>63799912
Aight m8 didn't mean to imply you haven't read that stuff.
>>63799925
oh, well.
>>63798864
Enshine
>>63798864
Not Death but Check out Slaegts EP.
>>63797792
breakdowns, aggressive chord progressions, shouted vocals.... the list goes on senpai...
The influence is there, perhaps it's more present in band like DRI or Suicidal than bands like Exodus or Metallica.
>>63797792
Thrashers have cited hardcore influence since before calling everything hipster was even a meme. It's some seriously old school shit to say that hardcore punk influenced thrash even just a little bit. What fucking rock did you crawl out of when you made this comment?
This is actually pretty great. Vkkm never really "clicked" with me, but this feels like a return to form. Mimisbrunn is their best song since Tulimyrsky.
Just because someone didn't say in one, two, or three different interviews that hardcore punk was influential on the band doesn't mean it wasn't influential.
For example: If someone asked me what some of my favorite movies are, and I said "Ghostbusters, Terminator, Predator, and Return of the Jedi." That doesn't mean that Empire Strikes Back or The Predator aren't included in my list of favorite movies. It just means I didn't mention them at the time when asked.
Anyway, Metallica were influenced by hardcore punk, and I think it's unbelievable that people are so pretentious that they would deny it at this point.
>>63800237
>Just because someone didn't say in one, two, or three different interviews that hardcore punk was influential on the band doesn't mean it wasn't influential.
This is actually a very important point.
>>63800216
I prefer Ruttolehto over Mimisbrunn but yeah both songs and Ihmisen aika are better than anything on vkkm.
The new Vektor single is really fucking good btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFaIcjemHvA
>>63800329
did you like the new Ripper
some pretty crazy bass
>>63800329
I'm just a sucker for the Ulver-esque classical guitars and atmosphere in Mimisbrunn. But I do agree that those 3 are the best songs on the album. The first song sounded a bit awkward with the "heroic" keyboard theme (though I'd still put it on equal standing with Vkkm-material) and Suden tunti is good for what it is, though not nearly monumental enough for a Moonsorrow song.
who fuck yeah motherfuckers come on here
>>63800405
ZOMBIE CIRCLE PIT
S H O W M E
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>tfw all i want is a gf who is of mediocre attractiveness and likes burzum
Metal for this feel
>>63800410
>tfw no qt slamfu that would gladly show you her hammers
>>63800469
go to your local deafheaven show, desu
>>63800513
Seen them 5 times , it changes nothing :(
what's your favorite Gnaw Their Tongues record?
>>63798864
Amorphis
Soilwork (they're actually good now)
>>63799462
Orphaned Land is legit man
I need some godlike grind, guys.
Especially looking for that track, that had a really really REALLY metallic-like snare. pls halp
Would anyone mind uploading this album for me? I can't find it fucking anywhere. Much appreciated.
don't listen to the memers, post dank thrashcore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEHoMcSC5Yk
>>63800893
Why would I ever listen to this when I can listen to thrash?
>>63800905
nice meme
>>63800893
Here you go family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86xXsWaPNI
>>63800905
(you)
>two guys cosplaying as Kerberos troopers from Jin-Roh
>they play digital hardcore influenced by thrash metal and speedcore
>they're Japanese
>cyberpunk and fun as shit
>literally called AKIRADEATH
oh, also it goes HARD AS FUCK
Like ten times harder than Atari Teenage Riot, without being cybergrind altogether.
And the best part is the name.
Why aren't we all circlejerking to this?
Where the fuck are you, preachercrawling? Why didn't you recommend me that shit?
>>63800914
>>63800924
No meme, it sounds like a really really amateur shitty version of thrash with terrible riffs and vocals, what the fuck do you guys see in this?
>>63800940
My fucking nigga, they're great.
>>63800893
>>63800924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kOw567iyLU
>>63800946
(you)
>>63800964
Oh so it's a meme genre, ok I get it
>>63800971
(you)
>>63797553
Masturbate, to kill my seeeeeeelf
>listen to Mgla for the first time ever
>it sounds like a really not shitty version of Darkthrone
I thought this was a meme band, this is dank shit
>>63800964
It objectively does have shit riffs and shit vocals though my man, shit's wack
>>63800893
Not thrashcore but still in the same vein
>1983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBHQkO4S_XU
>>63800988
nobody asked for your opinion senpai
>>63800987
How's your first week in /metal/ going otherwise?
>>63800949
they're fucking amazing
Too bad everyone else on /metal/ is too busy arguing over trivial shit to even give them a listen.
Sounds like I'm gonna have to shill them for three months until someone else recognizes their greatness.
>>63801013
I've been here forever, I just avoid all the memecore you guys circlejerk. Usually for a good reason.
>>63801028
>>63801013
won"t you fags stop being little bitches? there's more important matters at hand, I bet you aren't even listening to anything new while shitposting.
>>63801010
>there will never be a crust punk/early extreme metal band as good as G.I.S.M.
Why even fucking live? They were absolutely GOAT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PldQtVr1rXA
>>63801052
>were
they're still around
>>63801084
But all they've done for two decades is just play live occasionally.
>>63800987
i like mgla and i think groza and WHTN are pretty great records, but fuck me if i understand why everyone is shitting themselves over EIF
one of the most relentlessly mediocre metal albums i've heard all year, the whole thing sounds like songs which weren't good enough to make the cut on WHTN
>>63800987
What do you mean by 'meme band' seriously
that term gets used so much and i have no idea what it means
>>63800940
『AKIRADEATH』
アキラです! ! !
IKUZO !
>>63801115
overhyped garbage that people in this thread like for a brief time before they realize that it was shit this whole time.
>you missed the golden age of melodeath
death to those who insult slam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VYxz_KYHn0
What about this little anomaly? Bits of heavy metal, Stoogian punk, and glam rock all in one package. Fronted by the guitar team that would go on to write all of the riffs for one of the most legendary metal bands of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otyc9KCYYH0
>>63801252
So what exactly is slam anyways? Brutal death metal with anime samples? Because that's what I'm hearing.
>>63801309
No, it's brutal death that goes "CHUNG CHUNG CHUNG GRRRGGRRGRRR CHUNK CHUNK" instead of going "BRRLRLRLRLRLRLLRLRLRLLRLRLWROOAGRLRLRLRLRLRLRLGLRGLRGLWOLOWOWLOWLGRRRR"
>>63801309
>slam is brutal death metal with anime samples
Ayyyy.
>>63801309
Slam Death Metal is a subgenre of Brutal Death Metal that focuses on slow or midtempo (as well as breakdown-style) sections built on chromatic, palm-muted riffs - so called "slams". Compared to brutal death metal's basic songwriting aesthetics, blast beats and guitar solos are less important, though blast beat/tremolo riff sections are frequently applied. The visual aesthetics are quite similar, though slam death metal usually takes the macabre and violent look of brutal death metal to its extreme.
The genre has its origin in the 1990s New York death metal scene (which in turn brought in influences from the sound, attitude and aesthetic of New York Hardcore), where bands such as Suffocation pioneered the use of slam riffs. Devourment and Internal Bleeding are often considered the first true slam bands, as they popularized many of the genre's songwriting conventions and visual aesthetics. Other notable "slam" bands include Cephalotripsy and Short Bus Pile Up. The vocals normally consist of extremely low-pitched, unintelligible death grunts, frequently featuring Hip Hop-inspired vocal rhythms. Hip hop elements often appear in the drumbeats as well.
The genre is sometimes compared to or confused with Nu Metal due to the use of chugging atonal riffs and rap/hip hop influences, and Deathcore due to the guttural vocals, focus on breakdowns and general "tough guy" aesthetic. However, true Slam Death has few real connections to these subgenres apart from certain hybrid bands such as Waking the Cadaver.
>>63801373
>subgenre of brutal death metal
>subgenre
>of a subgenre
>of a subgenre
No.
>>63801571
what's slam death then?
>>63801571
you've been shitting up these threads for the past 2 threads now with being a complete moron
