When will this era of heavy commercialism in music end?
When Lavren Mayberry starts slutting it up.
Never, it will just accelerate
Never. Music is a part of the human experience, it's biologically ingrained in all of us. That means that we'll never stop consuming it. The only reason they hadn't commercialized it earlier is that they hadn't figured out how to do it. They know now.
when babies are born knowing a catalog of cultural heritage , because they'll never be given it like how they are taught to walk or use a TV
>>63747896
When do you think it started?
>>63747896
Never, such as it is all current efforts to eradicate traditional culture are strictly for the sake of replacing it with a strict adherence to commercialism.
>>63747896
can't wait for her career to end
>>63750376
can't wait for her to butter up her vag & then stimulate herself w/a turkey leg
When communism will win.
Can't do anything about it. People are fucked. That's the way of the world. But you have enought outlets now so you can find your own path. Do your own thing. It might be harder but you have a choice.
>>63747896
why would you want it to end? it makes the money go around
>>63751483
Money shouldn't be that involved in art though.
Proof of it is music making a lot of money is actually 95% of the time garbage.
>>63751527
yeah but the masses enjoy it and buy it for whatever reason they might have, you can't compare your own taste to the taste of so many people, it is made so that alot of people like it
>>63751585
Art crafted in order for people to like or enjoy it is not art at all by definition.
If you consider music as an art and have respect for genuine musicians then you must admit the music industry is cancerous.
>>63751644
amen
>>63747896
It'll end when it stops being profitable.
So...not in the foreseeable future.
when our species finally wakes up
holy FUCK is it r/music in here
itt: babies opening their third eyes and realising that the music industry has been a business with an aim to make profit for decades, something that everybody else already knew
>>63751821
People here are just stating their view on the subject. And I don't think r/music has any critic view on the music industry, I wouldn't know since I don't go there.
No need to be so salty senpai.
>>63751821
you had to ruin the thread didn't you
>>63750376
can't wait for her career to start falling apart and her to realize it and start taking her clothes off in a desperate bid for attention
>>63751821
It's not necessarily a critique of music quality. Just an observation.
It's not hard to tell that popular music in the 2010s is in a bit of a "bland" stage. The most popular artists are Adele and Taylor Swift, for fuck sake.
It's a bit like the 80s in a way. A lot of people trying to make pop. A lot of rehashing. Perhaps the 2020s will be a bit more interesting.
>>63751851
>I don't think r/music has any critic view on the music industry
>I wouldn't know since I don't go there
Regarding this entire thread, it is unbearably cringe-worthy to see fedora-tippers lambasting the music industry as if their hipster hip-hop and 'so culturally important' indie music somehow has more of a right to the radio airwaves than the easy listening music that people actually WANT to hear.
Those that are below the age of twenty and only just discovered the likes of Neutral Milk Hotel and Wilco have this predisposed desire to force everyone around them to listen to these bands as if it will make them better/more intelligent people.
It's a bunch of babies crying that the artists that the everyday person enjoys - music created, by definition of it being pop music, for the lowest common denominator - aren't up to their tastes.
Disgusting.
>>63751920
man i think you need to go outside
>>63751945
I'd say the same to most of those in this thread. Going outside and having a social life is what allows me to enjoy pop music without crying about what's on the airwaves.
>>63751644
I never said it was art, I'm just saying people like it and it makes alot of money
>>63751879
damn she sure has a fat juicy ass, would definetely eat
>>63751920
>as if their hipster hip-hop and 'so culturally important' indie music somehow has more of a right to the radio airwaves than the easy listening music that people actually WANT to hear.
You're not wrong.
But it's interesting that, in the 90s for instance, a lot more indie and experimental-tinged music was popular in the charts, across all genres. There was a period of time where the public seemed very open to more non-conventional music.
Right now the public palette is very untrained. A lot of people can't listen to anything with a weird beat or a noisy guitar. Most people listen to very bland pop/rap/EDM.
Hip hop isn't as bad as the other genres though. I find that people who are into rap usually enjoy a broader range of stuff within the genre. Even then, though, play someone even one of Death Grips' most accessible songs and they'll likely shut their ears off. Those Dead End Hip Hop reviews where they had 3 guys listening to The Money Store with no comprehension of it at all are testament to that.
>>63752015
People don't like guitar music anymore. Big whoop.
Furthermore you're judging the tastes of hip hop fans by whether or not they enjoy Death Grips.
See, I could easily make the argument that as a white indie head, you do not enjoy hip hop and that you therefore have somewhat of a close mind.
I could argue that you are predisposed to liking artists created by white people, for white people.
You enjoy Death Grips, who have a predominantly white fanbase. Shall I judge that you are close-minded regarding music because you don't have a profound knowledge of hip-hop's history? Even if you do, I'd wager most of the people in this thread don't, judging by the state of hip-hop discussion on /mu/.
What I would be doing, if I were to do that, would be judging your tastes based on my perspective and circle of interest. If I were a massive hip hop fan, with knowledge and interest of the history or hip hop, I could very easily make the argument that those not into it are close minded. I'd be wrong to do that considering hip-hop is but one genre in the wide spectrum of music.
Yet, you're doing the same thing. You're judging other's tastes from the perspective of somebody into mainly white, somewhat experimental indie artists. Again, but one genre or strand of music on the wide spectrum of music history.
You have no real knowledge of current mainstream pop as it doesn't interest you, nor do you have a knowledge of current EDM as it doesn't interest you.
So in the same way that those not into YOUR genres have no foundation upon which to judge your tastes from their perspectives,
YOU have no foundation to judge others when your foundation for doing that is your circle of interest, your perspective, your subjective taste.
>>63751965
You can have a social life and not enjoy shitty music.
Sorry pleb, having friends doesn't excuse you for having bad taste.
>>63752076
>People don't like guitar music anymore
further proof is required
the very concept of "guitar music" is absolute bollocks and can be interpreted in so many ways that it means literlly nothing anymore
>>63752076
A lot of assumptions there mate.
I listen to a fair amount of pop and modern hip hop, and I dabble in EDM. I don't have an in-depth knowledge, no, but then to be honest I don't have an in-depth knowledge of any genre. I listen to what I enjoy.
I never said popular music was bad, or that people were unintelligent for liking it, or for not liking more experimental stuff. I enjoy popular music myself.
I was simply observing that there are a lot of people today who can only listen to the kind of things that are played on the radio or in the club. That's not an indictment against those people. But I think a lot of people can agree that the world would be more interesting if more people had more varied tastes.
The only point I was trying to make with Death Grips is that a lot of people turn off when they hear something mildly abrasive or experimental, even if the main body of the track is not THAT far out or weird. There are a lot of people who are stuck listening to very "safe" and inoffensive sounds, and that's not a bad thing for those people, it's just I'd rather it wasn't that way.
>>63747896
>heavy
>>63752015
>than the easy listening music that people actually WANT to hear.
>Radio plays stuff that people want to listen to
Yes right
>britney Spears release album X
>song 3 of this album is played alot of station
>"its what people want to listen right?"
>NO, LET ME CONTINUE THE STORY
>after some amount of weeks, song 3 stop to play
>then some weeks after this happens, song 7 start to play alot on the station.
Anyway, if they play what people like, and played song 7, this means people like song 7, but if they really played what people liked, they would play the song 7 at the same time they played the song 3, this because they were released at the same fucking day and they would be able to discover people like both songs on the same fucking day
>>63747896
May it reign forever!
>>63752160
>the world would be more interesting if more people had more varied tastes
This is what I don't understand.
People are far, far more complex and far-reaching than their taste in music.
The most interesting person in my life right now doesn't listen to any music at all, when she can avoid it.
>>63752164
>>63752194
Yeah, you're right. But we're on a music board right now, so obviously we're not going to be discussing the public's taste in food or literature.
>>63752231
Besides the point, what I'm amazed by is the constant fixation in the minds of so many indie fans that listening to interesting music makes for interesting people.
>>63747896
When the general public as a whole decides that they don't like music anymore and stop consuming it.
So unless there's some sort of huge cultural shift where music becomes some sort of ostracized, taboo thing, the answer is likely to be never.
>>63752251
That's great, but not what he was talking about. You were a great contribution to this thread.
>>63752342
see
>>63752160
"the world would be more interesting if more people had more varied tastes."
>>63752251
>listening to interesting music makes for interesting people
true for literally every other hobby/political affiliation/anything you can take part to
people are always trying to find ways to validate themselves etc. nothing surprising here desu
>>63752251
But for many indie fans, listening to interesting music should in theory make for more interesting people from their perspective. If you you enjoyed listening to a particular sort of music, you'd like others to enjoy it too, as then you'd be able to share interests with others more.
Also this >>63752369
>>63752251
Surely a fascination or interest in any science/art form/etc that is beyond the majority makes somebody interesting?
If someone has knowledge or experience in certain fields that is unique, that person is interesting, aren't they?
>>63747896
When someone gets off their ass and becomes the new Nirvana because they're sick and tired of all the mediocrity and shallowness.
Not any time soon due to everyone's ignored internet addictions
>>63752369
>>63752400
>>63752424
It will always be the minority of people that have a genuine interest in music, or have genuinely interesting music tastes.
This has always been the case, and will be for the forseeable future.
This is not because the majority or vapid, or lacking, but because there are so many multitudes of other interests and hobbies that people have.
So in answer to the question of whether people would be more interesting if they had interesting tastes in music, they would certainly be more interesting as far as music discussion goes;
but concentrating on people's music tastes, as so many do (it's no secret here on /mu/ that those with varied music tastes judge themselves as superior to those without that) is to ignore their individuality.
If you, to whatever extent, define yourself, or a part of yourself, by your taste in music, that's perfectly fine,
but don't expect others to feel compelled to do the same, because doing that is ignoring what makes them unique.
I'm aware that no-one is explicitly stating here that they feel any sense of superiority to others based on taste in music, but what you are saying is that people would be 'more interesting' if they had a varied taste. That's what I'm tackling.
They wouldn't. They'd have the same interests as you.
If everyone talked about music at every party I attended it would be boring as sin.
I talked about Oneohtrix Point Never at a party once and nearly fell asleep-mid sentence.
>>63752161
>>63747896
When we achieve full communism
>>63752663
>If you, to whatever extent, define yourself, or a part of yourself, by your taste in music, that's perfectly fine, but don't expect others to feel compelled to do the same
Good point there. But I still wouldn't deny the idea that a unique taste in music makes someone interesting, because I think any sort of unique ideas or interests makes someone interesting.
What is an "interesting" person to you?
>>63752447
like Death Grips?
>>63752447
Yet the people who made Nirvana successful at the time didn't care that they were innovative or whatever, they just treated them like all the other rock stars. The music critics could sit back and say how interesting they were but none of the consumers cared.
>>63751920
troll bait, but good troll bait because here i am replying
radio djs (or the algorithms that decide for them) don't give a shit about what most people like. They target the people with money and decision making in the household, because that is who advertisers seek.
You don't like radio music? Well no shit, almost nobody does. It is specifically curated--and there's zero exaggeration there--for people with more money than sense.
You ever notice who is featured in love songs? People in there late 20s and and early 30s, people without kids and with disposable income? You think its a coincidence that in the last century of music, you've never heard about someone who has been married for fifteen years? Of course you haven't, because those people don't spend money on dumb shit that advertisers know will get moved if they invest in a little airtime.
>>63752076
i don't know if any music is really all that much better or worse, it's just a matter of where you're coming from.
I heard that guillotine track, and i was coming from somebody who listens to a ton of weird shit on soundcloud and a lot of other weird shit elsewhere. Death Grips managed to answer a question anybody interested in indie rap had: how can we make this shit sound more crazy and raw. Well they fucking did it, and everybody in my boat was super impressed.
>>63752004
I'm sure her stomach is held back by heaps of tape or whatever the fuck they use. I think she has a typical fat girl ass. Trust me, that part of the video clip definitely caught my eye too.
After the final blast that ends all things and we start rebuilding shit from the ground up (well, probably not us, because most if not all of us will be dead).
>>63750978
exactly, in communism the purpose of music is to push communist ideology, this is certainly way better, not.
>>63751987
Good job, great observation
>>63747896
never
>>63747896
'heavy commercialism'
Get it?
>>63752164
sexy baby want to be myy sexy
I can be you man love plaese accept fridn requset
We are currently less "commercial" than 97-01
It's not worth it making music aimed at hardcore/niche music fans. They don't pay enough and likely pirate even more often than casual music fans.
>>63754608
That's because labels can't control the market the way they could back then.
>>63750074
probably in the 80s with MTV. those music videos were just glorified tv ads for records.
>>63753824
Not necessarily. Freedom can exist within socialism or communism. The USSR and the DPRK were just masive fuck-ups.
/mu/ is dead
>>63754991
You're just realizing that? It's been neo/mu/ for at least 2 years.
>>63754991
music is dead
>>63754991
RIP in pesetas.
>>63754991
yeah of the Neo Bleep
>>63747896
Shitty music has always been fucking commercialised, literally nothing has changed.
>>63747896
as soon as the biggest artist stop making money from selling their music, we will quickly find commercialism will be the only thing to hold up the music industry
>>63747921
Isn't she already, tho?
>>63747896
It won't. Commercialism is ingrained in the US's culture at this point.
The only thing that could stop it is if music suddenly became unprofitable.
>>63751821
>Decades
It's been centuries senpai. Since the parlor piano worked it's way into households in and around the industrial revolution, there have been strictly commercial composers. High schoolers need to get off /mu/, MTV wasn't the start of commercial pop.
Not until the revolution, comrade.
>>63750978
>maxresdefault.jpg
>not marxresdefault.jpg
In a sense it's been like this since Tin Pan Alley, what makes you think it's going away now?
>>63752803
What makes a person 'interesting' is entirely subjective, that's the point. Attempts to articulate and rationalise what makes someone 'interesting' are more often than not shrouded in personal bias.
>>63756972
Yeah, I realised this after I posted that hah
>>63751901
And who had the most #1 hits in the 70s? Yah, it was the Osmonds, not Black Sabbath or the Ramones.
>>63751901
>It's a bit like the 80s in a way. A lot of people trying to make pop. A lot of rehashing
The 80s was mostly shit in 85-89 while the first half of the decade was a golden age of rock and pop.
