can we all agree that noise is not music or art? why is it discussed here? why do peole enjoy it? there's plenty of actual music and people chose to listen to tv static. art is truly dead. fuck this world.
>>63722463
it's basically discordant natural anger.
it's very appealing to some people who don't just want to listen to pretty tunes or generic open e chugging for 'anger'.
I don't listen to harsh noise very regularly but I get the appeal and you should too anon.
I think a lot of people who enjoy noise are troubled and that's why they find comfort in it.
>>63722463
fuck you
>>63722521
Are you talking about noisecore/power electronics or just noise? because I certainly don't see all noise as anger, more like dense soundscapes to get lost in.
>>63722601
oh yeah it definitely depends the type.
mostly I'm talking about harsh noise
stuff like melt-banana though is super jammy. way more interesting textures than traditional timbres/tones or w/e could bring to the table.
>>63722463
This opinion is such a meme here that nobody will take it seriously.
If a living creature creates something, it is art. You can thank dadaism for making art a more meaningless word than it ever was.
Noise is music in that it has intention and composition behind it. Field Recordings are not music, but Pulse Demon is.
>spent a year exclusively dressing in black & listening to white nationalist power electronics
I don't regret it, but it's pretty much the perfect example of degenerate art that the Nazi's relentlessly condemned.
>>63722632
why are all people that are into noise black and white minded fucks like you.
>>63722463
It's not music.
It's made by untalented faggots.
They saw the success people who couldn't sing had with rap and thought "Hey, I can't play an instrument. Maybe I could make shitty substandard bullshit and call it art too!"
And the plebs love it.
>>63722674
what are some white nationalist power electronic groups?
>>63722674
no one even fucking mentioned Nazis or white power
gb2/pol/
>>63722699
>And the plebs love it.
No, they don't.
>>63722744
By definition, everyone who loves it is a pleb.
>>63722688
wth
I'm just projecting fuck off
>>63722744
I think he just used an old copypasta, I think it was originally about synthpop from that time where some brony was spamming bad synthpop everywhere.
I don't know, recently I'vee been progressing from shoegaze -> post-rock ->noise-rock and drone. I think eventually I'll end up listening to noise to satisfy my unquenchable thirst for listening to vacuums through a megaphone
>>63722463
Im art nigga, you're not.
>>63722699
this
>>63722771
well at least you admit you are projecting, go fuck yourself.
>>63722806
listen here fucker you wanna take this to the duel arena
>>63722855
oh fuck shits about the get reel pham
>>63722463
can we all agree that [your favorite band] is not music or art? why is it discussed here? why do peole enjoy it? there's plenty of actual music and people chose to listen to [literal dogshit]. art is truly dead. fuck this world.
>>63722463
The fact it is able to produce strong reaction in subject (OP) proves it is art
>>63722806
>>63722855
oh fuck
>>63722773
>I think he just used an old copypasta
I'm glad you think I'm an egaging enough poster to be copied and pasted. But no, that was just the GODS HONEST TRUTH blowing the fuck out of noisecore faggots.
These's also something really pleasing about listening to layers and layers of raw sound. It's kind of like people listening to vaporwave for the "aesthetic" It can be mesmerizing and hypnotic.
>>63722895
why are /mu/tants like you literal fascists when it comes to subjective music taste?????
>>63722912
>literal fascists
What's wrong with fascism anon?
Figures someone defending noisecore (which is dada tier shite) would use that shit "bad = fascist" meme from preschool.
noise has the best A E S T H E T I C imo
>>63722632
>he thinks melt banana is a noise band
jesus christ, shut the fuck up
>>63722944
>>>>>>>>>>/pol/
>>63722960
>>/oven/
Maybe you can record the screams of you dying and release it as an album.
>>63722944
just stop trying to impose your completely subjective taste onto others, man. Let people enjoy what they will.
>>63722958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6Sk8Aj-SQ
Well shit if this isn't noise rock then I don't know what the fuck is.
"...but incorporates atonality and especially dissonance, and frequently discards typical songwriting conventions. Noise rock developed from early avant-garde music, sound art, and rock songs featuring extremely dissonant sounds and electronic feedback."
"In 1992, Melt-Banana started in Japan, afterwards being picked up by John Zorn and Steve Albini and became a known act in Europe and the United States at the end of the nineties and a famous example of ultra fast noise rock."
"A similar scene also began to develop in Osaka, Japan, spearheaded by Hanatarash and the Boredoms,[1][9] who composed extremely short, fast "songs", marked by blasts of rhythm (reflecting an influence from grindcore),[41] screaming, and overloaded guitars. Boredoms singer Yamantaka Eye also worked with the New York City jazzcore group Naked City.[42] The Boredoms eventually evolved towards a far more meditative sound, taking inspiration from Krautrock.[43] Gore Beyond Necropsy,[44] Ground Zero,[3][45] Zeni Geva,[3][46] Guitar Wolf,[47] and Melt-Banana[3][48] extended the Japanese noise rock style. These bands also reflected the impact of the Japanoise scene pioneered by Merzbow.[1]"
>>63722992
People can do what they like. They can hit their dick with a hammer and record it for all I care. But calling it music is an insult to anyone who is actually a musician.
>>63722983
how about you let people enjoy noise and then kill yourself?
>>63722958
noise in a rock context
that comment made you unreasonably upset perhaps you should take a walk get some fresh air anon when you get back we can share some tea and continue binging "gilmore girls" on netflix i'll fix up some more of those lil hors d'oeuvres you like okay?
>>63723022
oh dont get petty over unimportant semantics
>>63723022
>But calling it music is an insult to anyone who is actually a musician.
t. not an actual musician
>>63723022
desu what is music?
can riding your bike be music?
i like to think so.
>>63723001
noise and noise rock have got nothing in common
one's roots are in rock music, the other in early 20th century multidisciplinary art movements
>>63723055
you sound like one of those /daily/ faggots. stop it.
>>63722958
seem like noise to me anon
>>63722463
lmao. OP has a serious case of 2deep4me
it's literally the same thing with people who don't get jazz or other obscure types of music. Just go back to your pop/rap/rock plenshit
>>63722463
It's very appealing to people who want to sound more intelligent than they actually are
The plebness in this thread is amazing.
Go back to listening to Arctic Monkeys
>>63723115
stop sperging m8
I never just straight called Melt-banana "noise" and even if I did who the fuck cares go be insecure about how people categorize or view your ssf butt somewhere else tbqh pham.
I "get" noise
AMA
>>63723242
what's your fetish? (musical and sexual)
>>63723115
that hurt a lot more than i expected it would
>>63722755
The exact opposite is true. At worst, Noise fans are contrarian, not plebs.
>>63723196
let me quote you
>oh yeah it definitely depends the type.
>mostly I'm talking about harsh noise
followed by
>stuff like melt-banana though is super jammy. way more interesting textures than traditional timbres/tones or w/e could bring to the table.
>stuff like melt-banana though is super jammy.
how is a person to perceive this succession of sentences?
you're a fucking cretin who thinks he knows shit because he watches fantano and browses /mu/. you don't know shit.
that's okay, but in the future refrain from posturing.
>>63723242
are you a meth/speed head?
>>63723373
-Cutely and innocently cocks head to side in confusion-
I'm being pretty obviously and clearly uncertain in the way I word things, that's why I even said or w/e because I'm not an expert on what I'm talking about, and I'm making that obvious in my phrasing intentionally, I'm just trying to relay a message in the best way I can, anon.
Calm your stinky face.
When someone talks about a genre I consider all subgenres as well.
No one else on this board or the universe would care as much as you.
Why are you so arrogant and angry anon.
to whom it may concern:
what is the division between noise and music? when does one become the other?
>mess around for a few minutes
>put song on a noise thread, met with apraisal
>gonna release first album soon
I love noise!
I used to hate noise and drone music.
Now I enjoy them for reasons I can't quite understand.
>>63723434
>-Cutely and innocently cocks head to side in confusion-
are you 15 years old?
>>63723373
is this the birth of an epic new meme?
>>63723479
It's the headspace they put you in. For me, noise is almost psychedelic, it has a great impact on my feelies
>>63723490
do you want me to be anon?
>>63723522
>anime
we'll be lining you and your kind up against the wall when trump comes into power
>tfw u get noise
>tfw u hear the sounds in their full complexity
>tfw they are like fractals or some cosmic language
>tfw plens will never hear it the way some do
it's sad really
>>63723555
>when trump comes into power
>when
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA /pol/tards actually believe this
>>63723584
statisticians believe it too
>>63723584
the sun is setting on publicly accepted degeneracy, son
enjoy what little time you've got left while you still can
Noise is usually just okay.
>>63723555
But Trump loves anime
>mfw plebs can't into experimental art
I bet you think 4'33" is a joke too
>>63723613
source?
>>63723621
oh, Im anti-degeneracy too, but our definitions of degenerate likely differ.
>>63723644
>>63723659
http://primarymodel.com
the model incorrectly predicted one election since 1912
>>63723115
All tripfags are /daily/
>>63722632
melt banana isn't noise you fucking imbecile
noise rock is completely unrelated to the umbrella of "noise"
>>63722672
field recordings organized, layered, and complimented by created sounds are art
>>63722733
you're a fucking retard
nazi and white nationalist imagery/themes are extremely commonplace in noise. that's why he mentioned it, because it's literally like fucking 50% of all noise
>>63723744
god I hate stats, It's such a wishy washy field.
>>63724127
WHY ALL Y'ALL ANONS GET SO ANGRY OVER THIS LOL
it's fucking noise get over yourselves
>>63723196
>>63723263
can you fucking idiots please go back to r/music/whatever shithole you arrived here from
>>63723434
noise rock is not a subgenre of noise
>>63724275
all music is a subgenre of noise you dolt.
>>63724265
but it's not noise, you fucking turd
why's it so hard to admit that you were wrong and that you don't know what you're talking about and just moving on
sheesh, faggot
>>63724275
god i bet those noise threads are filled with fun people
you are so embarrassing lmfao.
>>63724265
>tripfag being retarded and embarrassing himself
shit, never seen that happen before
>>63724304
i thought all music was a subgenre of nightcore
>>63724228
i mean, so is quantum mechanics.
>>63724265
because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and instead of learning about the subjects you are attempting and failing to discuss, you are perfectly content to go on your merry way disseminating incorrect information and shitty up the board not only with your uninformed idiocy, but with your narcisisstic attention-whoring as well
fuck off
>>63724346
"maybe if I get just angry enough and repeat for the 15th time what someone else says people will reply to me and say "this" and I'll feel relevant for once in my life"
>>63724339
i'm a girl
>>63724397
tits, now.
>>63724397
>i'm a girl
trannies aren't real women though
>>63724397
drop trip and lurk more idiot
>>63724426
I've been here for some 4-5 years why would i 'lurk more' wtf.
>>63724419
reported
>>63724415
reported to the cops
gosh y'all get so ANGRY maybe if a girl like me noticed you irl you wouldn't be so bitter.
>>63724275
once you're here for like five or so years you're pretty much stuck no matter how boring and cancerous every other poster is. so you gotta just roll with the punches.
i remember when that dude dominick fernow (prurient, etc.) had the hospital productions store in nyc. i went in one time on record store day because he was literally allowing people to "make" their own noise cassettes. i don't know where i'm going with this but it was really easy to make and quite hilarious as well. it's like i got to see how these "professional" noise dudes/"artists" play this game. it's sad.
and yes, very fascist too. he had a bunch of nazi music that wasn't exactly for sale unless you asked about it. what a weirdo. just like all of you that actually dig this shit.
>>63724573
everyone into noise is just an ex-punk/hardcore kid reject that got tired of touring and standing around while holding instruments.
>>63724573
>i went in one time on record store day because he was literally allowing people to "make" their own noise cassettes.
i always wondered about the details of that event
were the tapes assigned a label catalog number?
what equipment was made available to people to work with?
was the artwork for all the tapes the same or what? was there even any artwork
>he had a bunch of nazi music that wasn't exactly for sale unless you asked about it.
you don't like grand belial's key? bitch.
>>63724772
the only cataloging that wad done was you getting to write your name on the tape. it was hand numbered 1/1.
i can't really tell you what the equipment was; it mostly just a bunch of knob turning equipment. each knob you turned made a noise, etc. there were wires as well that you could assign to whatever slot.
yeah, artwork was all the same. it was just some stock hospital productions logo done as tape art.
he had more than just grand belial's key, dude. there were some fascist spoken word albums and some shit that would've made tom metzger smile.
honestly i had so many friends that one day went from being cool, normal people to getting so knee deep into this noise shit. it's legitimately sick and i thought they had some bad egos. they feign such shitty superiority behavior above people when really they're just ex-punk kids that grew up listening to pg 99 and were over that. most of these noise heads are like that.
>>63722672
Pulse Demon is not fucking music. Pulse Demon is "I left my HAM radio on last night, and recorded it."
Five Star Hotel's Gray Data is music, because it actually has something happening in it.
Even that steps on the edge of what could be appropriately called music.
You're not cool because you listen to shit that hurts your ears.
>>63725923
go to bed, 5sh
this thread
>>63723001
Noise rock and noise aren't connected for fucks sake do your homework before you start throwing wikipedia paragraphs all around the place
>>63722463
>>63722463
noise is good but fuck me if vomir isn't just going out of his way to take the piss out of particularly naive noise fans
his whole act feels like an over-the-top parody of all the cliches that come with shitty "nihilistic" noise, there's no way that he's not in on the joke
>>63726093
i don't think they said it was. reading through this argument it just seems like some pissed off noisethreadfags flipping their tits over some tiny misnomer, yourself included. Chill buddy.
>>63726141
>anon defending a tripfag(who's not even in the right in this situation)
traitor desu
>>63726164
sorry :(
just reading through it the anons were irritating me.
all they did was lightly make one association of noise rock with noise after saying before they didn't really listen to it but could kind of appreciate it. they weren't trying to act like some know-it-all at any point there.
I have similar opinions is why t b h, i'm sorry for being a sympathyfag don't hurt me
I know this is b8, but can anyone genuinely explain to me the appeal of noise?
>>63722463
>why do peole enjoy it?
There are a lot of masochists in the world.
That said, not all noise is pointless self torture like vomir. Some is just noisy electro-acoustic improvisation and can be musically interesting.
>>63724573
Things that never happened ITT? Things that never happened itt.
This
>>63722672
I create shit almost daily and flush it, is that art?
>>63722699
>everything wrong in the music industry is because of rap
>>63722632
Holy fuck this literal child thinks MELT BANANA is noise LMFAO
