TO those who claim that Classical music today has lost some of its lustre, turn to Christian THIELEMANN.
I've been listening and studying Thielemann all day.
What an extraordinary joy. He towers above them all!
Discuss all things Classical in this thread.
Someone earlier requested good recommendations for classical music that gave a beautiful and vivid dreamscape impressions.
I recommend Debussy and Ravel. These are the perfect choices.
They both share delicate command of nuance and they creations are entirely otherworldly and gorgeous.
>tfw I always though that Early Mozart was mediocre compared to his later works
>tfw I just listened to Piano Concerto No. 2
Is it impossible to not underrate Mozart?
>>63661229
>Is it impossible to not underrate Mozart?
there's a thread on reddit:classical music that celebrates beethoven being voted no.1 over mozart this year in a classicfm poll. i shouldn't at all be bothered because 1. classicfm and 2. reddit. but still, the thread absolutely makes my blood boil.
it does prove the point though, once again, that beethoven is for children and mozart for adults.
>>63661356
And Bach is for men.
>>63661356
>browsing r/classical for other purposes than trolling
Why?
>>63661431
masochism.
>>63661356
>classicfm
PERFIDIOUS ALBION
>>63661600
words cannot describe.
alright recommendations for me time
this week i'm into
dvorak, no. 9
Dudamen, danzon no. 2 - Arturo Marquez
Hahn, Bach, partita no 2, 3
What should i listen to now?
>>63662106
>dudamen
stravinsky - rite of spring
>>63662149
typo, lazy to correct.
>play masterclass for distinguished soloist
>be sure to play with rubato and dynamic shaping in order to convey unique artistic vision rather than roboticism
>"hey play the notes straight"
>"hey just make it one big crescendo"
I fucking hate classical music guys
>>63662182
and this wasn't a slouch at all, fucking huge soloist
>>63662259
why not just name him/her?
>>63662279
giving out identifiable information is dumb
>>63662293
probably wanted to hear you play it straight to hear if you have any talent to begin with.
>>63662182
what were you playing? i hope it wasn't bach.
>>63662343
It wasn't. piece by Penderecki.
>>63662340
Shitposting not welcome.
>>63662420
then stop baiting.
>>63661600
>>63661710
Classicfm is shite, everyone knows that. Their 'Hall of Fame' is basically just vidya babbies voting in their EBIN soundtracks and Home County boomers voting for English romanticism because it reminds them of their childhood. Radio 3 is the patrician choice for classical music radio
>>63662279
I've been giving out identifiable information on /classical/ for a while, nobody gives a shit unless you're a trip and crave attention.
Just had a masterclass myself where I was told that it's quite likely that I'll turn into a tenor in a few years (currently a baritone), so that's sort of interesting. Plus a nice ego boost since he told me that I should audition for music school once I've finished my undergrad.
>>63661356
I prefer Beethoven over Mozart overall atm, but that's pretty retarded overall. Mozart is brilliant, I just haven't looked into him enough or studied theory enough to fully appreciate him.
Beethoven is way more accessible despite who fluffy classical music sounds.
>>63661600
What the fuck is this rating...? Its not concertos, and its not English composers...
>>63662182
Everyone has different techniques. Vengerov is super expressive and cares a lot less about expressiveness while people like Heifetz were almost pissed off by ANY superfluous movements that people made.
Anyone that succeeds in classical music (professionally, not that hack vidya game cosplay girl) should be respected imo.
>On topic
Anyone else really fucking love Joe Hisaishi? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7IvGKkASuE
I assume I'll get for referencing any movie music composer, but I love so much of his work. He has independent compositions as well, but I love Asian harmonies and the energeticness.
>>63663088
>What the fuck is this rating
it's a ranking. and it's the most popular pieces voted on classicfm.
>>63660570
thielemann is extraordinarily boring in just about everything i've heard him in
>>63663144
Pretty pleb. But I guess that's to be expected on an English classical station.
>Highest ranked VC is the Bruch
Made me a little bit sick desu
>>63663208
thielemann actually has a very personal style & original interpretations of works. which is why his conducting is so divisive. you may not like him, but i honestly don't see how he is boring.
rattle is boring and unpersonal for example.
Does anyone have a link for that 50 gig mega of classical? If not then does someone have a list of pieces that should be listened to and which recording to get?
>>63663291
https://mega.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
https://mega.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
https://mega.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
https://mega.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
That's everything I have.
Bump.
Anyone listened to Shostakovich's Stepan Razin? Fucking love this piece but seems kind of rare to hear about it, glad I bought a good recording.
>>63663884
Anyone have a better performance of Babi Yar than this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iub52XLMWTc
Gergiev fucking nails this, and the soloist is great too. The subtitles help as well, I forgot how much I like this symphony
Also, forgot to link Stepan Razin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oOk15PI6aA
>>63664065
Not too big on Shostakovich outside of chamber works, but my friend who is values the Kondrashin performance of that symphony quite a bit.
can someone recommend me classical music making good use of timpani?
>>63664235
Strauss Burlesque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q_zSvns0QY
Rite of Spring and Symphony Fantastique?. Can't say I often focus on Timpani so idk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoToB1gzJNA
>>63664235
shostakovich 5th symphony
elliot carter canaries
bruckner 9th symphony
>>63660570
boring give me composers it´s full of good conductors nowadays we´re missing composers.
Surprised that SDF hasn't turned up yet to complain about Thielemann
bluebeard's castle a best
Bump
How do people know whether to bow up or down?
>>63661356
I prefer beethoven's music slightly, but that's because I'm a bitter romantic, just like him. His music suites me more.
>>63664374
Hmmm, I really dig Symphony Fantastique, what's the best recording?
As someone who enjoys any kind of symphony since i don't specialize on it, what am i supposed to pay attention to? I feel like i'm supposed to develop a filter of some kind to know when something is good or not.
>>63664235
Mahler 5. the timpani even gets to play the theme a few times.
Most Mahler symphonies have good use of timpani.
>>63664381
canaries is GOAT
>>63668295
it depends on the situation. in my experience an assistant conductor/principal player will do bowings before rehearsals start, writing them into all of the parts. for chamber and solo works i believe it's often intuitive, but composers (especially recent ones) will specify when they want something different.
>>63660665
That's why they're mentioned after Brahms and Wagner when mentioning the classical canon
Bump
>>63663088
I also love Joe Hisaishi. He quotes a lot of great classical in his music, but also has some great melodies of his own. In the Nausicaa soundtrack, he builds on Handel's Sarabande, and makes the original feel unresolved.
How do you write 'virtuosically' for piano if you don't play it at a concert level?
>>63661229
>Although these works were long considered to be original, they are now known to be orchestrations of sonatas by various German virtuosi. The works on which the concertos are based were largely published in Paris, and presumably Mozart and his family became acquainted with them or their composers during their visit to Paris in 1763–64.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>63674968
studying pieces that are considered virtuosic, close collaboration with a player, etc
>>63661229
>muh mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LW99I55Q9Y
Watch this and fuck off
Do midi recordings exist, if so are there any recommendations?
Come listen to classical with us
http://mutantradio.org/player
Should be classical for the next ~48 hours unless if something fucks up
>>63674968
short answer: you dont.
you try to, but if you dont play piano excellently, you're probably going to write something that is either too difficult, not virtuosic at all or sounds like shit. Tasteful virtuosity is quite hard to attain
>>63675186
why the fuck would you want to listen to a MIDI rendition of a classical piece?
If you really want "classical" done on computers, try the Morrowind or Oblivion soundtracks.
i like glenn branca
what are some other modern composers that did no-wave stuff
>>63675816
weasel walter
>>63675600
WHY EVEN BOTHER TRYING LISZT SIGHTREAD GRIEG'S PIANO CONCERTO AHHHHHHHHH
>>63666722
What are some good recordings?
>>63676775
Sebastian's (live, 1951) is my favorite; it is a great reading, with vigorous conducting and probably the most ideal singing for it. Szekely (the person whom Bartok shaped the role around) plays Bluebeard and Palankay Judith. both are great.
Dorati's (in GOAT) Mercury sound is also worth considering. Szekely also plays Bluebeard in that role, but he is a bit more worn by that point. Szony plays Judith and isn't the best in the role, but is decent at least. Dorati leads a straightforward and well paced reading.
Fricsay's is worth listening to for the conducting but it's in German.
Kubelik has a live '81 recording with the NY Phil which is both very well conducted and well sung.
If you want more modern sound Péter Eötvös's might be worth considering, haven't heard it myself yet but I've read some good things about it.
>>63676869
Thank you.
>>63674968
You're an idiot if you're trying to write a virtuosic piece rather than a musical one
>>63677206
>hurr what is ornamentation and variety of texture
>>63676869
Could you upload the Sebastian recording? It doesn't seem to be on What or rutracker.
>>63677306
yeah, I can. i only have it in mp3 though, that fine?
>>63677317
Sure.
>>63677319
sorry that took awhile
http://www54.zippyshare.com/v/iFmSw3T3/file.html
pretty good quality for a live recording in the early 50s, despite some stage thumps and some overload on the closely miked voices it's aged pretty well.
>tfw you hear a hidden b5/#4 in a Medieval chant piece
BOY
This
>>63677703
>tfw you hear the D5 in the final verse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mryobMQUZng
>>63675988
he was fucking lizst though. High tier pianist and composer. you'd expect a composer/pianist to be able to sight read something of any difficulty.
Debussy sight read a 4 hands arrangement of Le Sacre with Stravinsky once.
>>63677703
which piece? where abouts? I'm interested to hear this
Why do I never see The Planets - Gustav Holst on these threads? Do you guys not like it?
>>63678427
We talk about it but Holst doesn't have as large of a repertoire as other composers.
>>63678313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6e4Q11NeM
2:46. Maybe I'm just hearing things. I swear it's there
>>63664235
Scherzo from beethoven's 9th
>>63678427
Because its bad enough that this >>63661600
Exists
>>63678427
we got over it when we were 16 or something
Look at these comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/4cerwn/beethoven_beats_mozart_for_first_time_in_most/
Among all the Mozart underrating some Wagnerbaby actually showed that he's a ponyfag
>>63660570
>>63660570
>>63660570
anyone here have some songbooks/notes in pdf format? can't find jack shit, have been searching on google for ages
>>63680324
>linking Reddit
You have to go back, Cuck.
>>63680335
http://imslp.org/wiki/Chansonnier_Cordiforme_%28Various%29
http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Copenhagen_Chansonnier_%28Various%29
http://imslp.org/wiki/Chansonnier,_I-MOe_alfa.f.9.9_%28Various%29
http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Laborde_Chansonnier_(Various)
http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Mellon_Chansonnier_(Anonymous)
>>63680371
Maybe this shitty general goes dead and I have to go to reddit, fag.
>>63680373
thank you very much. I hope my girlfriend will be able to enjoy these (today, she found out her collection was thrown away)
>tfw pieces as beautiful as this will never get a complete recording since it doesn't have the magic name of Josquin attached to it anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToPtEZjMmk
>>63670208
Pls respond.
What's some of the heaviest, saddest and most tortured arias out there? (preferably for tenor)
>>63682527
Meinem Seufzer, meine Thraenen, Cantata 13
Schweig Schweig nur, Cantata 178
Ich Hoere mitten in dem Leiden, Cantata 38
->>>Wie zweifelhaftig ist mein Hoffen, Cantata 109
Entirety of Cantata 55, Bach's only tenor cantata
Der Ewigkeit saphirnes Haus, Cantata 198 (Not the heaviest but definitely the most beautiful)
>>63682676
>all this german
Well shit, this'll be perfect. Thanks.
>>63682676
Someday I will listen to and know all the cantatas.
Where to start with The Hilliard Ensemble????
