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Contemporary choral edition.
>inb4 how do I into classical?
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http://crudblud.sjm.so/
Reminder that both these men are dead.
listening to this right now. really impressed so far
how do I into Stephen Paulus?
>>63529765
fuck off newfag
>>63529791
just wanted to throw something out there. don't need to be rude man
tfw I could become a great conductor if I wasn't depressed and stuck listening to classical music and posting on the worst fucking website on the internet
fuck you guys I should be networking and seeking out festivals but instead I'm screwing myself over
>>63529909
>>63528901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esvdSie_H4c
>>63529909
>le smart but lazy xdxd
>>63529108
Who'll die next?
Cerha is as old as Boulez was.
>>63528901
>>63528901
Slow thread. Zzzz...
>>63533244
Why not post some music? I come here to listen to new things but you guys only argue about interpreters
lets argue about interpreters
>>63533413
Okay.
>>63533485
yeah these are all shit
ok your move
>>63533492
They aren't.
>>63533485
I see we still haven't fixed this chart. The women need to go.
Is there an essential wandelweiser?
>>63533540
alright i concede
>>63533547
>women
Don't you mean the Jews?
>>63533615
One does not simply 'remove' Jewish pianists.
Actually, pianism is basically synonymous with Jew.
>>63533413
>>63533733
love it
>>63533733
no Haitink?
is Stravinsky the only composer who made any ballets worth listening to?
anyone likes listening to relaxing music?
>>63534203
debussy, ravel, tchaikovsky, list goes on
>>63534203
Prokofiev
>>63534203
Listen to daphnis et Chloe
>>63533485
>>63533637
Someone please post some soothing piano.
>>63534644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_tfwTiZeM
What are some good music theory books that I learn from? From intervals all the way to atonal world??
Is the thread usually this dead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW71xDvZ3dU
>>63533485
Why no glenn gould? Why no tatiana nikolayeva?
SOMEONE POST SUMMA DAT SAD WAILING CELLO MUSIC RIGHT NOW I NEED ME SUMMA DAT SAD WAILING CELLOS
It's Maundy Thursday, rev up those Lamentations and Responsories.
Hey, are there any books you could recommend a rookie for a broad overview of classical music?
I'd especially like to get a better grasp of the various forms and styles and how they developed. But if I can read about the instruments, where and for whom things were performed, etc., that'd be rad too. The odd anecdote about various composers could be nice, but I'm mostly interested in their work.
>>63537780
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S63304119#p63313169
>>63537800
I was thinking something that covers a lot of styles, not classicism specifically.
>>63529909
No you probably couldn't
Anyone here play instruments at university? I probably spend 2-3 hours each week honing my very mediocre piano skills on the university pianos with the hope of bumping into some beautiful Eastern European virtuoso, but the only other people who use the music rooms are Chinese students (who are admittedly incredibly talented and play some really beautiful music, but I'm just not attracted to those of an Asian persuasion).
>>63537940
Then you're limited to superficial discussions that are a mile wide and an inch deep. If you really must know about all the styles, pic related covers them in 5 volumes and 4000 pages or so.
>>63538001
Are you studying piano? My uni only allows piano students to use the piano practice rooms.
>>63538340
God no, I'm mostly self-taught and play at about Grade 4 or 5 standard, I'm a very long way away in terms of ability from those who actually study piano. I've just had a look and it turns out my university doesn't even offer any sort of music degree (it's unironically a sports uni), which is lucky for me because playing the piano is one of the few activities that I have left which I genuinely enjoy. Anyone is allowed to use the music rooms, but you do have to sign up at the start of the year so that your uni card will give you access to the relevant building.
>>63538431
Fortunately I have a baby grand at home, but it would be nice to play in an environment with other students. You're lucky that they let you pay.
>start playing piano again after I stopped taking lessons as a kid
>think "my teacher was just being a bitch and making me read all those dynamics"
>keep playing for years banging on keys ignoring all details
>think I'm really good for playing chopin polonaise 53 with no attention to details
>put dynamics back in and now I can't play it
>realize I am actually really shitty pianist
>mfw I hear keystrokes made by a kike pianist
>>63539415
Are you me? Except my teacher was shit and didn't even teach me about dynamics.
>>63539611
>implying religious views have anything to do with how a performer plays.
you're probably just retarded
![51RXTl1RkxL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ecvnQzo.jpg "51RXTl1RkxL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg")
>>63537780
This is what was used when I took (general education version of) Music History at my uni. I still have my copy.
Here's a sample of the website stuff that accompanies the book. It's a motivic walkthrough of Beethoven's 5th
https://mega.nz/#!78IUnZqK
>>63540142
Thanks, I'll look into it.
>>63533485
Pollini?
I've made the questionable decision to attempt Wagner's full ring. Which performance do I watch?
>>63541472
Boulez/Chereau
>>63533733
no love for bernstein?
>>63534069
>planned to go see Haitink perform Bruckner 8th at the Lucerne festival in august
>couldn't access internet when the online ticketing opened at 12 am
>only $300 sits left when I get back home.
>mfw
why is classical boring shite
>>63543946
rip
>>63540142
oops. here's the link with key https://mega.nz/#!78IUnZqK!j6wBcM1u-iBlGIXjTG8xCh1Qyr1v277H8U89kW33t6s
>>63533733
no Rozdhestvensky, no Kondrashin, no Celibidache (although that one I can understand), no Svetlanov, no Cluytens, no Knappertsbusch (srsly wtf ?!), no Wand, I could go on...
>>63544434
say nah to kna
>>63544434
Oh and I forgot: Ansermet. Ernest fucking Ansermet.
for christ sake...
>>63541472
one sitting ?
>>63542443
No.
>>63544434
>Knappertsbusch
>Wand
Gross.
>>63533547
Argerich is better than half of the male pianist there though. At least the Russian and jewish ones
>>63544615
Planning to space it out over two.
What are some of your favorite pieces you only recently heard?
>>63544811
Dvorak piano quintet No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35ayW9J5t4
Heard it on the radio a few days ago. Don't know shit about Dvorak except for a few symphonies and his cello concerto.
I'd like some recommendations on him if anyone has some.
>>63533733
What a shitty self-fellating chart, how embarrassing for anyone to be /mu/ approved. I would much rather see /mu/'s disapproved conductors and pianists.
>>63545214
>I would much rather see /mu/'s disapproved conductors and pianists.
yeah, they're much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA
>>63545214
Someone is upset that their favorites didn't get included.
>>63544973
Piano trios and SQ 12 are a must. Also listen to his 1st quintet.
Piano & violin concertos and Slavonic dances are also good
Is this how Mozart was meant to be played?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JBTTico1DA
>>63546585
fucking womemes
>>63544662
>>Knappertsbusch
>>Wand
>Gross.
although wand generally doesn't do much for me there's at least two exceptions: schubert 9 with ndr sinfonieorchester and bruckner 8 with the same orchestra (lubeck cathedral). those are phenomenal in my opinion.
knappertsbusch is an acquired taste i guess, his recordings hit-and-miss. there's a bruckner 8 from circa 1950 with the berliner that i think is among the best.
>>63547043
>wand
his bruckner recordings with the berliner are also great.
listening to bach tonight. sure hope jesus will resurrect himself again this year. god bless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLqgsg5YXc
>>63547043
honestly that RIAS set probably has the best stuff Kna ever did.
>you will never be as handsomely German as Kna
>>63548910
cowboy hat Kna
>>63548949
i still haven't gotten around listening to his parsifal (1962), endorsed by none other than pope francis (bless his heart). it's time!
>>63549353
good singing (barring wobbly late-Hotter making a vengeance with questionable diction), good sound staging (for bayreuth at least)
and that's about it. can't say i like Kna that much in Wagner at all, he is far too slow for my tastes and the playing is almost always sounds slapdash and unprepared (granted, in that particular recording, it isn't as bad as some of his earlier Ring traversals for example, but still).
on the other hand i know people revere his Parsifal recordings, but personally i can't see too much in them myself.
>>63547043
his bruckner is great except that only the bpo produced consistently good playing and that he stuck to those awful, awful editions.
>>63549644
it's funny, i love bruckner, but the different editions have never bothered me. in fact, i know my favorite recordings, but i don't really know my favorite editions. it's all good to me.
>>63549731
the revised editions have some pretty egregious changes scattered throughout them.
you can't really go too wrong with Haas or Nowak which is what most conductors utilize anyway, and you're only likely to run into the shitty editions on historical recordings, usually. granted, Haas is usually more controversial than Nowak and there can be some pretty significant differences between the two, but probably nothing of major consequence to the casual listener.
probably the worst of all of revised editions was the edition by Loewe for the 9th.
>>63550087
>you can't really go too wrong with Haas or Nowak which is what most conductors utilize anyway
exactly this. the whole different editions problem is highly exaggerated.
Is there other recordings of bach cello suites by casals without the hiss/noise, or maybe another set performed by someone as good as?
>>63550273
some tape noise is highly preferable over noise reduction.
>>63550230
except kna did not utilize those versions. most obvious case is his 9th which is a great interpretation but the loewe edition is terribly bad. i cringe everytime i hear the flutes come in in the 2nd movement
What's a good recording of the Magic Flute?
>>63550443
klemperer 1964.
>>63550273
i dunno, there's probably some over-filtered EMI version you might be able to find.
the best filter is your ears, though. you could always do some subtle and harmless filtering via some audio editing program like iZotope if you want.
i would just try to look past it though. i can't really offer you any alternatives since I don't listen to those pieces often at all.
>>63550443
i like Beecham's the best.
whats a good recording of 4'33
>>63550527
i like yours.
>>63550527
hold on ill make one right now
David Lang
Agnes Obel
>>63550087
the newer Carragan editions are quite good, though i dont like recordings on them really (nevermind his completions)
>>63550575
yeah, i've heard a lot of good things about those editions as well, but i haven't really been able to go into too many recordings of them just yet.
>listen to Symphony of the New World on a friend's recommendation
>really like it
>come to /mu/ to get more classical
>>inb4 how do i into classical?
>links for everything in alphabetical order, no specified order or anything
Well, i guess i'll start by Dvorak and see where i go from there.
>>63550849
>guess i'll start by Dvorak and see where i go from there.
not a bad idea. it can only get better.
>>63550849
IMO best way to get into classical is through Romantic period concertos, then decide which way to go from there, but concertos are very accessible and interesting
and start listening to various styles of works by the major composers of JS Bach, WA Mozart, Beethoven, and Brahms, if you find a style of something you like then look into similar styles or composers that influenced that one or were influenced by them.
I'm hoping this isn't off-topic, but I'm wondering if there are any good books on baroque music to ease me into the period. I'm currently reading the Rest is Noise to get me into 20th century, but I'm curious to know about baroque or even renaissance music.
>>63550443
Sir Colin Davis for the original version and Ingmar Bergman for my personal favourite.
What are you going to listen to tomorrow to celebrate this splendid stag's birthday?
>>63552121
6 romanian folk dances.
>>63552186
this is fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPJq_BE1rM
>>63552121
>not including complete solo piano works by kocsis
>>63552470
that's the basics. and don't forget the lovely collection of bartok recordings by a young kocsis for denon.
>>63544434
>Rozdhestvensky
moya rooskie
>>63550273
Mischa Maisky did an excellent set or two of the Bach suites
>>63550527
Listening to a recording kind of defeats the purpose. Its about the natural sounds of the world around you. Just listen to your ambient sounds for 4'33" if you want the cage experience.
>>63550849
Mahler Symphonies 1, 2, 5 and 6.
>>63552121
dont forget music for strings percussion and celesta.
>>63553694
that's included on the reiner, just not enough room for the full title
>>63553694
>Listening to a recording kind of defeats the purpose. Its about the natural sounds of the world around you. Just listen to your ambient sounds for 4'33" if you want the cage experience.
You got pranked family
Bump
>>63533733
>all these conductors flailing their arms around
>meanwhile furtwangler
I love jochum's bruckner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IKW3KaGFX8
Currently listening to Danzon No. 2 by Arturo Marquez
Anything similar?
>>63546585
>symphony playing on the background
fucking cheater.
>>63548793
no love for his parsifal ?
What would Mozart have done in another 30 years of composition?
>>63557502
Made The Life of Pablo
>>63557418
Rodrigo
>>63557502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3OPXBNiGGA
How do you generate musical ideas? Once you have a theme, how do you develop it? How do you make sure most of what you write isn't just 'filler?'
>>63559183
>>63559212
But I don't have that book. I was also asking any other composers that may be here.
>>63552121
Can you please upload the last one?
>>63559183
with intuition and form.
depends on the composer, but I'd argue there should never be any "filler" each note or phrase should exist for a reason, not just linking 2 ideas together. If you do have to write transitional material, try to have it be coherent with the other ideas present. Use inversions or transformations of already existing material. Economy of material is always good.
Holding interest over long periods of time and developing material are both decent challenges to a composer, and part of an ongoing process. Learn more about form and score study other composers to see how they do it.
The delete key is always your friend if you're unsure about any material in a piece. Music can always be written again, until you feel the section is the best it can be.
>>63559382
>intuition
>just do it brah!
>each section is the best it can be
That's the thing, I look at a Beethoven score and every note is perfect and precise and exactly right and you shouldn't change a single thing, and then I can't help but feel like a lot of my stuff is filler or maybe this harmony would be better or there's too much doubling or whatever
>>63557498
i dont have love for his Wagner in general which i feel is often over ponderous and badly played and only notable because of the fantastic singers that he had accompanying him.
but even i cant deny how delicious that 1951 Gotterdammerung is. sooo slow. but man, the singing is tip top tier, and the Karajan prepared orchestra and early Culshaw mono sound is pretty good.
i get goosebumps just thinking about the trio of death at the end of Act 2 during that recording. the cast is all held together by the brilliant backbone of Ludwig Weber, who, in my opinion, was the best damn Hagen there ever was. his only true competitors for that title were List, Greindl (acting got way worse in the late 50s and the 60s in that role though) and Salminen.
>>63559475
You are always going to be your own worst critic, you know. I would try getting a few second opinions from anyone you know. You could always post it here, too.
>>63559667
People I've shown generally like my stuff but most of them probably don't know much about theory, I did play something of mine for and show the sheets for my string quartet to a music student, he looked at just the beginning but he said it looked good. I've posted this before but here's the third movement of the quartet: vocaroo/i/s1PTqEAkEdGG
Schubert and Mendelssohn are underrated. Schumman is overrated.
>>63560158
1/3
>>63559183
http://solomonsmusic.net/brahmrls.htm
>>63559183
>How do you generate musical ideas?
I don't. I'm just a receiver. I write whatever comes to me via my crown chakra.
>Once you have a theme, how do you develop it?
I have a little counterpoint fetish so I like to repeat it a lot with a lot of chances for cool harmonies as three or four separate voices play. But in a Liszt kind of way so the original theme becomes almost unrecognizable. A good thing would be reading other composer's works and trying to separate the theme and the development section, and then compare it to the way other composers do the same thing.
>How do you make sure most of what you write isn't just 'filler?'
Use your ears.
>>63559739
sounds good imo
