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Reposting from last thread.
Reply to an anon from a couple of days ago.
>>63430522 (Cross-thread)
>>63429483 (You) (Cross-thread)
>>https://clyp.it/oymgh5xi
>you're a very talented producer, where are you sending you're stuff too?
>Want a job?
Thanks, that means a lot to me. I haven't uploaded my music anywhere nor have I sent anything to any label.
What do you mean by job? I can't imagine what kind of job someone would want me for.
I practiced the violin from I was 14 till I was 19. I'm 23 now and considering selling it. It would net me about $2000 but the feels are just too much. I didn't get that good. I never had any confidence in my playing and I always overreached because my teachers weren't really that competent. I lost my nerve when I entered university.
For what it's worth, it did give me something though. Violin is the instrument I know the best after all. I actually have a pretty comprehensive idea of what it can do. That knowledge and experience is invaluable in my composition. That's something I have to admit. Composers who have never played around with a string instrument can't write for strings to save their lives. Even acknowledging this though. I couldn't possibly let it go.
I started playing the guitar a year ago and it's a completely different thing. I can play it musically from the get go. It's a lot easier, you know? I feel like my musicality has matured, since I've had the opportunity to just let loose on an instrument were technique isn't such a barrier. ...I wonder if I could pick my violin up again and learn the stuff I didn't manage to learn. Like vibrato and fluently moving between positions so I at least could use it for recording myself playing solos in my music. Gee, I'm torn.
Pic related. It's my violin.
Kind of an awkard post but, hi. I am a shitty bedroom vocalist with a USB mic and I really want to do vocals for people. Here is a sample of what I sound like:
https://clyp.it/vhe0eyqu
I enjoy music like Sufjan and Animal Collective, but I wouldn't mind expanding to other genres as well. I can play a little guitar and a hint of piano.
If you would like to do something with me, shoot me an email: [email protected]
Have a nice day.
>>63502457
anon I know exactly what you're saying! i played trumpet from 8-18 or so, but gave it up when i went to youknee as well. i've since studeied drums, gutiar/bass, keys... but even though i haven't played the horn in years it was always the most fun for me, and it's the instrument i was easily the best at. but the point is, learning an instrument properly (knowing what it is you are doing with it and what the instrument is doing from a musical point of view) makes it easier to learn and understand music from then on.
i've recently wanted to learn violin or cello. anon pls gib
>>63502457
Don't sell it.
I made the mistake of selling my first guitar that I had for 18 years.
After a week of tears, the seller told me I could have it back after reading a post of mine on Facebook.
pic related, me
>>63502721
>>63502721
yeah i agree with this anon. i never sold my first guitar, instead i gave it to my cousin because he wanted to learn. every time he came over he would just stare at my guitars and his jaw would drop. best 8th birthday ever for that little nigga. he's got pretty good for his age without being asian.
don't sell it. you will regret it.
also those feels when the dissertation is nearly done and i can shitpost and work on mu wiki
>>63502466
Don't have much time right now because of uni but I might send you an email in a couple of weeks
Any recs for a youtube channel that explains massive? I pretty much always used sylenth and serum but I have those down pretty good by now
>>63503319
massive is pretty simple, there's an australian guy who does good tutorials. or at least did when i used to use massive. RyanEnzed i think.
https://clyp.it/urbk4b1r
feed back me. also turn down your speakers because I made this too loud somehow.
https://clyp.it/gj4eb5wz
Zozzle Me Fags
>>63503579
the effect on the panned instrument is a bit extreme, i really dig it overall though
I don't even know what I'm making anymore
https://clyp.it/0sqjagtl
>>63503319
You don't need to use Massive (or Sylenth) if you use Serum.
>>63503891
>>63503911
>>63503930
What is your purpose in life
>>63503319
RTFM, nigger.
>>63504002
don't reply to him. Just report and hide his posts.
>>63504024
>>63504002
just because
I made some hip hop: https://clyp.it/z31yl53r
What do you think of the melody, I am afraid it's kinda cheesy.....
Gotta download 808 samples, then it's gonna be more fire.
To the guy that asked what the reverb was, it is convolution reverb of FL studio, basic preset only on the higher frequencies.
>>63503319
>going on youtube channels to have a specific synthesizer explained to you.
This is the wrong way of looking at things. What you want to do is study synthesis concepts from the ground up so that you can understand every synthesizer.
If you're too lazy to do that, then maybe music production isn't for you.
>>63503319
Synthhacker
>>63502237
Hardware samplers for dummies
Akai mpx16?
Electribe 2?
Sp404?
Halp
>>63504222
this is good advice, and this way, when you go into the synths manual you can learn neat unique stuff about the synth and actually be able to understand what's going on
>>63503891
P sure this is the same edgelord who thought he was cool for getting banned
>>63504409
i need to be banned friend
>>63504222
I understand synthesis concepts (not fm synthesis yet tho), massives layout just feels totally weird to me, it takes too long for me to find some stuff or how to map some stuff etc.
I just want some videos to watch to find out what a normal workflow with massive is like.
I'm not asking for a video that explains adsr envelopes etc.
And I'm just not the guy who reads manuals, tho I knew this would be one of the answers
>>63504479
Why not just leave? You don't have to post here. There's plenty of actually cancerous thread here, why /prod/?
>>63503236
Cool cool
What plug-ins should I use for ableton?
I am mainly going to be making ambient/dream-pop/chillwave/synthpop
>>63504642
only the best, like Serum
Does anyone here make lofi hip-hop with Ableton?
How can I recreate that sp404 sound with the reel to reel emulator that I have, which is Satin.
Any other tips for getting this sound? I hear so many people making it and I want in on it.
>>63502466
>Here is a sample of what I sound like:
>https://clyp.it/vhe0eyqu
Got a 404 on this link. You still around? I'm looking for a vocalist for something.
>>63504002
>>63504024
>>63504116
who was it?
>>63505190
just some faggot posting a guy pissing on a stuffed animal
>>63505241
>faggot
Hey don't line us up with that edgelord
>>63505179
>https://clyp.it/vhe0eyqu
>>63502466
Nevermind I'm retarded and have excessive javascript limitations in my browser. It plays fine now.
Guys, who is active in this thread right now? I want to do a game like that old game from when you were a kid. Where someone would draw the head of someone on paper then fold it and the next person had to draw the body, then the next the feet etc. Only we won't fold the paper.
I want us to take it in turn to paste parts to make a song. Can start with a drumloop or whatever, next person adds more drums or guitar or bass or them screaming or whatever. And we see what comes out.
Anyone want to play?
>>63504950
What 404 sound? I have one and I don't really think it sounds any particular way
>>63505351
I'll be down in like half an hour
>>63505352
The sound that a lot of people that use the 404 in the lofi scene get. Just check out any lofi hip-hop song on SC and you're bound to hear it.
I think it's something about the compression, not sure though.
>>63505351
Also, if it's your turn, you can do whatever you want to whatever has already been made earlier. If I get a few people up for this could be fun.
>>63505408
Your comment just popped up as I was typing. Awesome, will see if anyone else has the balls to join in between now and then.
>>63505351
I am totally down for that right now. Hit me!
>>63505445
OK gimme 2 mins to chop a beat up
Okay, I don't do any production or anything, but what is up with the album cover you use for these threads?
I can't find anything about it.
>>63505445
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0l3eSSTLPz1
Here you go.
>>63505516
it's really patrician afro-pop-funk
>>63505516
I can't honestly say that the origins of why we use it are known, but the album is a rare afro-funk record called "Give Us Two More Beers" by Lunga. Just look at that and tell me that doesn't look like a comfy-ass studio session.
There's an unspoken rule that if you find the album, you will upload it in full for us to hear because it is RARE.
A buddy offerd me a loan of his access virus c for a semester in exchange for 1/2 an ounce of weed.
Worth it?
>>63505573
uh, fuck yeah! the virus is a great synth
>>63505553
This is >>63505445, I'm right on it!
>>63505573
Fuck hard synths when you can just pirate a gajillion synth sounds for soft synths from the net.
>>63505595
>I'm right on it!
Sweet, will keep this tab open.
is it beyond laughable that i use garageband as my main DAW? I feel like it gets overlooked a lot because "ooo comes with your mac" and all of the lame presets and loops it has. But once you figure out how to get behind the presets (which was a lot easier to do in previous versions), it's decently capable.
Either that, or it's just that I've been using it since 2008 and you can probably make almost anything sound good if you work with it for 8 years.
>>63505613
That's one thing I was going to ask about. The access virus is a "virtual analog" synth...... So it's basically a computer running software right?
>>63505680
I have no idea but I wouldn't be surprised.
>>63498530
>Addictive drums for example. Are there wave files I can copy and paste in whatever way I want to use them?
Didn't get time to reply to this in the other thread - drum sounds, kits and the MIDI files each kit uses are all held in a single *.xpak file. I tried the patently bloody obvious first like changing the file extension to zip and rar, then tried opening the file as-is in 7-zip but it wasn't identified as an archive.
Next I tried audio file extensions, wav, flac and ogg, no joy, tried opening as raw audio in Wavelab hoping that at least part of the file would be readable but no.
Googling "xpak unpacker" however, reveals that the Quake game engine uses *.pak files as archives for maps - this might be your next step but I didn't go any further down that rabbit hole - it might help.
>>63505179
>>63505295
So we bangin or what
>>63505573
fuck yes. and fuck >>63505613
not only are you going to get a specific sound out of it (like you would get a specific sound out of almost any hard or soft synth), but messing with the sound and playing on a hard synth vs a soft synth is going to give you different results as well
>>63505746
I also made these posts. >>63505351
>>63505553 and this guy seems interested >>63505595 so why don't you join in man?
Everybody left the thread didn't they.
>>63505553
hey do you think you could reupload the loop to clyp? Vocaroo only allows for mono and it wrecks the fidelity.
>>63505980
https://clyp.it/mrcdsk3l
>>63505781
I would up for it but can't tonight. I could record something into my phone but that's about it
Looking for original sample packs used in the 90s/early 2000s for bleep related genres.
Like the CDs included for production magazines, or samples producers used to pass around, or whatever it is they used to use.
Sorry for the horrible wording of my post but I've been awake for 48 hours.
Been making beats for a few months and I really am planning to take this seriously so any criticism is much appreciated. Some of the samples are off beat but you can get the general idea i was going for. Plus the fucking melody on the hook is sweeeeet.
https://clyp.it/iqa10mme
>>63506030
>I would up for it but can't tonight. I could record something into my phone but that's about it
Record something into your phone and someone may try to sample it.
>>63502237
did anyone ever find this album? besides the one guy on discogs who has it but wont rip it
>>63505408
>>63505351
i'm ready to do this now if it's actually happening
>>63506053
>https://clyp.it/iqa10mme
>gunshot sample
Don't be that guy.
>>63506025
thanks m80
>>63506099
i'm adding a bassline now, be done in a bit.
>>63506116
also I guess I'll trip for now
>>63506037
Jason Scott mentioned in a few presentations that he has ripped many of these magazine cover CDs for the internet archive - archive.org - it might be worth looking there.
>>63506072
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HmSOOYvlNi
Go nuts
>>63506112
what other effect or sound would you say is better for bringing in drums then?
>>63506174
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HmSOOYvlNi
Saved, will use your screaming in a buildup at some point later.
>>63506200
>what other effect or sound would you say is better for bringing in drums then?
A cymbal.
>>63506244
Fucking sweet
>>63506053
keep working
By the way, am I the only person here who uses Linux to make music? Fuck me the software is like shit from 20 years ago, you have to carry a patch both ways uphill. All you casual faggots will never know my pain.
>>63505351
>>63505553
>>63506142
ALRIGHT COME ON THEN
https://clyp.it/urfcytkn
>>63505672
it hardly matters mate
just write music that makes people horny and fuck what anyone says
and anyone can use anything to make good music, if they themselves are good and talented musicians of course.
>>63506618
downloading now, not sure what im adding yet
I think I'm finally at the point where I am giving up on making melodies. I make little loops but whenever I try to progress them any further they always end up sound like garbage to me
https://clyp.it/qbi2qifs
like, what theee fuck do I do with this
>>63506650
OH SHIT
lemme grab this after you
>>63506692
I'm hearing strings and a square wave bassline - listen to some Drexciya, Dopplereffekt and maybe Claro Intelecto to get inspired
https://clyp.it/5ulrie0e
Critique this shit, fellas.
>>63506618
I'm workin on it, I got that anons scream mixed in, gonna add something else in too then post.
If anyone else does some shit in the mean time, post it too, it can all get mixed together.
>>63502457
Keyboard is the best instrument to let loose on, since it's easy to visualize harmonic or melodic interval and interaction when you can visually see the distance of steps. and for letting loose pick a key signature and start from their, IMO it's easier to be musical when using a key with atleast 3 sharps or flats, and even though a major scale is a major scale it still inspires different motifs somehow.
My experience with the Violin as my first instrument was honestly not very useful, I learned to play it without understanding the very essential basics of music theory, and when I came back to music, looking into the why definitely helped. I started to appreciate the violin as an instrument after I gained that extra knowledge, as well as from a deepening sense of what music I enjoy from listening to all the /mu/-core plus whatever else I found interesting.
the Viol-family with it's strings in 5th intervals is the most intuitive spacing for stringed instruments, when we look at 4 fingers we can play the entire scales in any position, and makes it simple to make a chord between 2 strings by fingering up or below on the next string over, in comparison to that 5th interval,
>>63503759
>https://clyp.it/0sqjagtl
I thouroughly enjoyed this.
what instruments, vsts are you using m9
>>63506618
>>63506740
i added reverby guitar plucks
https://clyp.it/dblyyjjq
Any tips on layering? I've noticed a lot of my favorite songs have a lot going on with layering and shit.
>>63507083
Panning and EQ to place sounds on their own in the mix, and/or compress the fuck out of it for wall of sound.
>>63507083
Layer sounds like you would piano chords. You wouldn't have 3 c notes layered over each other in the same octave and everything. you can mess around with contrasting timbres, some sawy bass and airy smooth layer over, or vice versa. take a sequence, bounce it to audio, and transpose it up or down a few steps, and maybe effect it or reverse it or anything you want and layer that over the original. idk those are a few ideas.
Who here fucks with Circle2?
I've just started using it, mainly because people like Arca and Rustie use it.
Thoughts? Tips?
>>63506977
I will add this, I was having browser problems earlier and couldn't hear it
Am still working on stuff
>>63506977
sweet!
added a little lead thing
https://clyp.it/jea0tlzs
im pulling the trigger and buying this. good idea? r.i.p wallet
>>63506822
those are three names that I have never heard of
gonna delve into em tonight, thanks a ton dude
>>63507303
buy serum instead
>>63507292
I can't download clipit wavs. there'sno button. wtf am I doing wrong
>>63507377
oh I just inspected the element
try this
https://a.clyp.it/jea0tlzs.mp3
>>63507315
Good stuff - this (without trying to patronize, I'm really not) is probably why you can't visualize your next step.
There's a whole world of this icy Detroit sounding stuff that your loop is screaming to have laid over it - think headphones and car stereos rather than the dancefloor - good luck anon.
>>63507406
>https://a.clyp.it/jea0tlzs.mp3
ty <3
>>63507423
not patronizing at all
I could definitely use some new influences
>>63507303
if you want 50 gigs of sounds that was allready dated by 2004, sure, go ahead.
>>63507494
Nice. Take in some Sleeparchive and Monolake (Robert Henke is a major Ableton contributor) while you're at it then, maybe even some Legowelt for a more European take on the same template.
>>63507303
Worth it, if you take the time to understand it and are willing to experiment a fuck-ton with it. I've had it since I upgraded my old copy, and I'm still learning new tricks and techniques. It's not going to make you some producer or sound design god, but it's slowly replacing a lot of tools I use.
>>63507406
https://clyp.it/m3voilzm
Ok anyone else up for adding or going next.
I think we have everyone's contributions from the thread so far, from the beat to the bassline to the screaming guy to the guitar player.
Moar.
>>63507561
whats better than?
I posted this in the last thread, but had to go before I got an answer and/or the thread died.
Basically, I've been killing myself for the past week trying to get a voice in a song I'm working on to sound electric; basically how they did Electro's voice in the last spiderman film.
I've searched and searched, and tried and tried, but can't for the life of me figure out how they did it.
If anyone can help me out here I would really appreciate it.
>>63507680
By the way full disclosure, some samples I imported were like a millisecond wrong tempo compared to others so I just spliced them in front of each other...your best bet is just adding onto the end using shit eh I dunno you'll figure it out.
This is now over 30 seconds of actual music. Keep adding shit people.
>>63507724
Meant to post this reply last night - Electro's voice to me sounds pitched down a ways and also either ring modulated (think Dalek but not as intense) or with a fast LFO (with the rate on the verge of audio frequency, around 20 Hz maybe) acting on the volume level.
Does anyone still want to do this collaboration music thingy? I might post another thread about this another time either way.
Remember that you can take what has already been done and change it, you don't have to just add something onto the end.
>>63507680
https://clyp.it/foms2kfd
new and improved
>>63507689
well, ohmisphere is pretty good, you just end up paying huge bucks for alot of useless, but nice sounding presets that are aimed at commercial media music use, like stock music, ad music, muzak.
>>63507351
like this anon said, try serum
download a crack first, try it out. Dont spend huge bucks on shit you cant try out first.
>>63507946
>https://clyp.it/foms2kfd
giff download to wav/mp3 file please
OK I did more.
I sorted out tempo shit with the different samples as well. tempo is 80/160.
https://clyp.it/vh5xqoox
Next...
>>63507724
First off you need the vocal to be in a batman voice. If the voice is normal, you wont have the same effect no matter how much you pitch it. Notice how Fox speaks in a low "I AM BATMAN" voice throughout the movie.
The its a matter of clever layering.
One clean voice
Second with a heavy tremollo effect, some distortion to bring out the presence.
A third pitched down and boosted the fuck out of 30 hz.
smash some tape saturation on top and fuck around with bosting cutting frequencies.
But remember these guys are sound engineers of the higest callibre, they dont do anything else than this shit so dont fret if you dont manage it the first time.
>>63508861
Alright I'll try some of that and see what what happens.
anybody know any trumpet VSTs? Please, all the brass shit in FL sounds like legit shit. Pls help
>>63509223
The only good ones I know are orchestral, if you're looking for more jazzy shit I would just hit up craigslist or whatever and find some trumpet player to lay down some lines for you for a couple of bucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1uqeUXy-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwiWp8Rz9e8
I'm using Ableton and its stock beat repeat on a sample that's just on a regular audio track. It works find and sounds good in the DAW but when I export and listen to the file, the sample is either silent or has a different beat repeat than the one I hear in the software. Is there a workaround to this?
>>63509542
works fine*
sorry, autism triggered
Where is the best place to get stems and acapellas? I'm just getting into remixing songs
>>63509594
also
https://remixcomps.com/
>>63506391
Have you considered not being a special snowflake? Making it harder on yourself doesn't make your music any better.
Can I get some feedback on this? Criticism is much appreciated.
https://clyp.it/500woayx
>>63509223
Milestone it's pretty cheap too
as a fairly green producer/ableton user, is it worth it for me to upgrade from live lite to studio? i'm a student so in terms of money, it would be more worth it to upgrade straight to studio than standard. however, i'm wary of dropping money on a software upgrade because i know it won't necessarily make my music better. i'm also thinking of buying an mpd32, but again, i'm not sure how much better my music will become. any thoughts?
>>63511575
Depends what you are wanting to upgrade for.
Pro Tip:
You can drop infinite number of devices into instrument rack to get around the channel limit in lite version.
noobish question but I was watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_qxkrpM0M
And noticed he uses a seperate channel to feed his sidechained too? Can someone explain what exactly is going on with this, or link me to a video that does. He doesn't explain it in this vid.
Does anyone else produce "dumb" music? I.e. edgy and retarded lyrics, everything done with MIDI and cheap instruments, melodies like in a circus etc
Can someone please tell me the snyths and plugins they can think of i can use in order to replicate this sound. fuck i love it but i have no idea where to start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Pl4LO9v9E
i have fruity loops and i can post what took me moths to come up with but it is really bad/beginnerish.
i played piano for a long time but get called a faggot by most people and seem uninteresting.
then some other dude picks it up and plays and gets likes and shit.
guys
im going to be the next madlib. im going to change the game
>>63507946
lmao that scream
>>63503473
>Username litterally says Enzed (NZ)
>Australian
>>63504222
know any good resources for studying synthesis concepts?
>>63507946
that's fucking stupid (in a good way)
>>63507303
It's really good especially for synthesis, but quite the CPU hog. I love it though.
>>63506037
Here are samples from a couple of music magazines
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/free-music-samples-download-loops-hits-and-multis-627820
>>63508051
https://a.clyp.it/foms2kfd.mp3
just add an a befor clyp.it and mp3 to the end, works with every clyp I think
>>63513470
sylenth1 could probably do all of those synth sounds, then some samples and that's the basic stuff you need
https://clyp.it/forq2jml
I tried to do something like Sade, there are supposed to be vocals and a muted rhythm guitar but I took them out to try and tighten up the ambience, it's very obviously a work in progress and I want to know what to change before I get too far
>>63513576
Prove it
>>63516117
First thing to look at (for me) would be that pad - it sounds nice but each chord varies in level too much, the very first time it appears is about the level I'd sit the whole part at.
Having said that, you might well have adjusted the pad to sit better with the vocals and the guitar that you took out but I'm treating it as I hear it right now.
Also the piano rises in level when you use the stereo chorus effect on it at the end, it would need brought down a little so all you notice is the stereo widening and not the level going up.
Again, that might be because of the vocals not being there and it might sound fine when they are there so, if so, ignore.
What are some good VSTs to make acid sounds?
>>63517264
Thank you very much, I'm gonna work on it when I get back from work
>>63517925
Any minimoog vst
Hi /prod/ i'm a FL Studio user but i want to try a more recording friendly DAW ( in addition to it freezing non-stop recently ), what would be your suggestions?
>>63518626
>I want to try a more recording friendly DAW
What exactly do you mean? You hit record and it records audio in the same manner in all DAWs.
>in addition to it freezing non-stop recently
This is probably a hardware related issue desu.
>>63518330
No worries anon. You can probably look at editing the velocity values for the pad because nothing else is changing, but if you reduce the velocity on the piano when the effect is active it might change the sound too much (velocity might be tied to the piano's filter as well as level) so I'd do some volume automation instead in that case.
What does /prod/ use for piano?
http://strawpoll.me/7162850
>>63518879
>http://strawpoll.me/7162850
Add "High Quality Kontakt Libraries"
>>63518905
I'd put that under VST. Plus I can't add shit. If you're too offended by VSTs, put it in the other category idc.
>>63518879
I use an Axiom 49. I can't play piano though
>>63518938
ok I selected "other"
>>63506053
is that mario 64 in the background, nigga?
youve got a unique sound yeah
but you've gotta ways to go
>>63518750
>This is probably a hardware related issue desu.
Damn my computer is almost brand new
>What exactly do you mean? You hit record and it records audio in the same manner in all DAWs.
Idk FL studio interface seemed less adapted for recording compared to some other DAWs
>>63519723
>Damn my computer is almost brand new
Doesn't really matter, if you're overloading your CPU or RAM with tons of VSTs running at the same time you're bound to get some issues unless you have like a really fucking stronk machine.
>>63519723
Nah, you like, hit record and that's it. Same as everything really.
>>63513868
New York School of Synthesis, look it up.
Hello I'm someone that's coming to logic and trying ableton for the first time, how do I check the timeline and edit my sounds and loop them?
I want to record but I don't see the time lines or anything of the sort.
>>63520065
Uhmm, you make a channel and then you hit record.
>>63502457
Just don't sell it imo. You seem to like your instrument and that is enough.
One thing struck me as odd though:
>Composers who have never played around with a string instrument can't write for strings to save their lives
I don't know if that's really true though because I never played a string instrument but still like my part in this piece:
https://clyp.it/u1zegoy5
>>63520065
Timeline editing in Ableton is called Arrangement View - at the top right of the Ableton window you'll see image related and you click the button with the horizontal lines for Arrangement View and the vertical lines for Session (Grid) View - pressing your tab key also toggles between them.
>>63520065
hit tab if you're in session view
>>63519723
I don't know why >>63519957
is so obsessed with defending FL, a lot of people don't like recording with it
>>63520162
>Composers who have never played around with a string instrument can't write for strings to save their lives
Every instrument has its own limitations, the job of an arranger is to know these limitations. Unless you're gonna write a complex solo or concerto piece then you don't really need to play the instrument.
>>63520229
He's asking "Whats a DAW to record instruments better?" I mean, I'm not defending FL, all I'm saying is that all DAWs have the same recording capabilities.
I've been procrastinating on vocals for the past 3 weeks. I live in a 1 floor apartment complex and im afraid my neighbors will hear me if i sing in the bathroom. I'm considering driving to the middle of nowhere 2 in the morning to record my vocals in my car with my setup in the passenger seat. Is there a better alternative or solution to my problem? Anyone else have this feel?
>>63512706
my current frustrations are just my sound not sounding like what i want it to sound like, but that's a skill and experience issue more than a software/hardware issue.
are the additional samples, effects, etc. worth it in a vacuum?
>>63520266
Pretend you don't give a fuck, I know it's hard but trust me, just do it, you won't care at all after a while.
>>63520332
i'm debating this too, anon. everything i've read online says that ableton suite is really worth it.
>>63520258
>Every instrument has its own limitations, the job of an arranger is to know these limitations.
...which he learns by playing around with it. Not necessarily becoming a "player" though. Even in classical literature, you can see which composers who had experience with the violin and who didn't.
>>63520423
i never noticed. can you point out some composers who had and did not have experience with the violin?
>>63520357
i keep playing these scenarios in my head where the neighbor will either bang on the walls telling me to shut the fuck up or knock on my door. you don't think they'll be able to hear me will you? whats a good technique to calm myself before i start doing vocals
>>63520423
Adler's orchestration does the job, have you seen how elaborate the instrument guides are on there?
>>63520535
You shouldn't give a fuck, unless you're violating noise laws you're good. What works for me is honestly just being positive all around, and like, fake it till you make it. Just, pretend it's all right and everything will be well, I'll tell you that only good comes out of doing that.
>>63520450
Those who did: Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart, Paganini, Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Sibelius... most of the greats did dabble in violin.
Those who didn't: Chopin, Berlioz, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Schönberg (most of these are pretty obvious).
>>63520562
>Adler's orchestration does the job, have you seen how elaborate the instrument guides are on there?
While good, I firmly believe it isn't enough. The nuances and feeling of what comes naturally for the instrumentalist is hard to imagine, even with guidance. It would be similar to me trying to undestand what it means to play a brass instrument. I've read through Adler and Rimsky-Korsakov's notes on the matter, listened to CDs, watched videos and read the scores, but I still don't know what it feels like to be out of breath, and how it affect the player's psychology, how it hurts your lips, what parts of the range or what intervals feel the most tricky and how it feels tricky... you know? Being an instrumentalist is a very physical experience, all the nuances of playing the violin can not be covered by books and videos.
or just work with actual string players
Kind of like how I go over stuff I write for winds with my bf cause he plays oboe
>>63521146
>Kind of like how I go over stuff I write for winds with my bf cause he plays oboe
Do you have a recording or score? I'd like to see. Rarely orchestral instruments in /prod/.
TEMPLATE CHECK
Post your defaults!
>>63520332
>are the additional samples, effects, etc. worth it in a vacuum?
Samples no, but what effects are missing? Ableton Glue compressor is nice as fuck.
Also does Lite have operator, because honestly, that's worth it right there. Super useful instrument.
Hi guys, here is the track on which i m working on right now, please keep in mind that is still unmixed and i have to change something on the drums, by the way, i would really appreciate if someone of you could give me feedback on the atmosphere/mood etc etc thanks
https://clyp.it/qa5ug52q
>>63521423
Nah, Lite doesn't have operator. or sampler.
would you mind checking this link (https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/) and seeing if anything that standard has is really worth it besides operator? i'd much appreciate it. for the record, i make sample-based synthy music. think a 99 cents version of com truise meets dilla meets shlohmo.
>>63521383
not the default but the track im working on, see >>63521483
>>63521495
I'll point out the big negatives imo.
>only 8 scenes
That's rough. I usually have around 12-20 just for a single piece alone.
>no Max for Live
That's basically a whole fucking library of effects and instruments you aren't getting; not to mention, Max let's you create whatever the fuck you want.
>no operator
>no sampler
Honestly, it's worth it for those two right there. You want to dedicate a good amount of time learning the ends and outs of these because they are fucking amazing.
>no external instrument
This is really only needed if you plan on using VST plugins like Battery, within Ableton drum rack.
>no EQ 8
This one is pretty much needed if you plan on mastering anything.
>no spectrum
Not needed, but useful as fuck.
All the default sample packs suck desu. You can make them sound cool after a shit ton of tweaking, but you're basically going to be ditching them for higher quality samples and VSTs as soon as possible.
>>63521559
>that color scheme
>nothing labeled
>115 bpm
>>63521495
not him but
>complex warp modes
I like those for some stuff, use them a lot for hip hop sampling
>eq 8
I have at least one on every track
>glue compressor
it's nice
>operator
like anon mentioned also nice
that's the main stuff
>>63521734
>hating on live 8 default
>pointlessly labelling patterns instead of just colouring them
>hating on tempos
Lrn2ableton
>>63521734
how can you be against the theme's colour? clay is the best ableton template
>>63521663
External instrument doesn't refer to Vsts, it's the ableton default plugin for routing audio/midi to use an actual external instrument like a synth
>>63521857
Default 9 is objectively the best scheme man.
It's comfy as fuck and doesn't blind you with saturation and highlight colored buttons.
>>63521383
pretty basic, sylenth 1 already on a midi track in case I need to write a melody in my head down before I lose it
>>63521947
No shit sherlock, that wasn't what I was talking about. I said you can use it in tangent with some VSTs to do some cool shit, like mapping out your Batter 4 plugin onto the Ableton's Drumrack.
>>63521994
fuck, forgot picture
>>63522008
You said you only needed it for Vsts, indicating you didn't know what it was really for
>>63522039
I know exactly what it's for, you fucking dumb piece of shit. Wasn't what I was talking about. It's non-essential device, unless you plan on doing shit like this. That's what I was saying.
>>63522023
>live 9 suite
>blue icon
what am I missing here?
>>63522120
nice hand m8
>>63521734
>2015
>labeling clips
you must be a joke
>>63522120
>doing shit like this
Or y'know, using it with EXTERNAL INSTRUMENTS
>filename
Ah, so you're 12, that explains everything
>>63522123
the fact that it's cracked maybe?
>>63520952
tl;dr, consult with an instrumentalist if you wanna write a solo or concert piece, but for most symphonic uses you don't really need to play every instrument to know how to write a symphony.
>>63521383
I don't use a template mostly cos I don't think my workflow can be streamlined. I like starting with a blank canvas everytime.
>>63522214
>doesn't know how to use External Instruments without external instruments in Ableton
>calling others stupid
>>63520952
>how to make an orchestra piece
>stack a bunch of instruments
>play melody
>arp that shit on seperate channels at different sequences
Congratulations, you just made your first orchestra piece. You can do the same thing to create drum patterns too.
>>63522268
>tl;dr, consult with an instrumentalist if you wanna write a solo or concert piece, but for most symphonic uses you don't really need to play every instrument to know how to write a symphony.
While true, the composer's knowledge of different instruments limit their writing. Tchaikovsky was killer flute player, and wrote things for flute that nobody ever dreamed of. That made his music more interesting and novel. Wagner's harp parts are almost impossible to play, so you have to either not play what he wants or compensate with extra harps, which considering already has a lot of them is unrealistic. In the end, the better you know the instrument, the better you can draw the magic out of it.
>>63522302
why would i bother learning less efficient ways to do a thing i could already do?
i may have been wrong about a single ableton feature, but you'll have to go on being a memespouting edgelord for the rest of your life
who's the real winner here?
New to hip hop production but a friend of mine thinks I'd be good at it. Where can I find obscure samples? Mostly just drum samples because making drum beats in a DAW is fucking suffering.
>>63522561
Bro let me tell you what's going to happen.
You're gonna spend about 4 hours looking for samples, before giving up and just downloading a pack of loops and one shots.
You'll dick around with the one shots for a while, realize you have no fucking idea what you are doing, and just copy past the same loop for about 2 minutes.
After that you'll try to come up with a melody, realize you have no musical theory knowledge, so you winde up tossing whatever default saw instrument you can fund, and drag down a single midi note to probably around A1 for that buh buh bass sound. You'll then have that loop around every half bar.
you'll then try adding some beeps and boops just like you heard in your favorite kanye track. It won't sound anything close to it, and you'll be completely out of scale, but at this point, you really don't give a fuck.
You'll then record some vocals. Toss in a shitty reverb with way too long delay time, sit back listen to it, show your buddy who will tell you it's sick shit regardless, and post it on facebook citing yourself as the next best thing to happen to the world of hip hop since Jay-Z.
After this you'll continuesly be "working" on your next piece for the next year or so, but in reality you got bored with it, and didn't want to come to grips that you lack any technical no how to making a good song or having the discipline to actually learn.
>>63522783
Absolutely #REKT
>>63522826
>>63522783
samefag
don't know why you took your time to type this desu
>>63522875
cept, y'know
and I wrote it because it's true.
>>63522875
Not him m8.
>>63522783
Made me laugh. I play with synths after school when I'm bored and don't feel like programming. I'm not trying to become some hip hop sensation or whatever, just wanna try new shit.
Thanks for the advice I guess?
>>63522875
oh just realized you weren't talking about my question, whoops.
>>63521316
Score is very much in process, I'll probably post to /prod/ when I get to recording, but that's not until like May. The first performance is supposed to be next month.
Also, orchestral isn't the right word, people like that get mad at my kind of music. This would be for a chamber ensemble.
>>63523115
Oh yeah, there are always problems with these names. Concert music then. Anyway, looking forward to it.
>>63522783
Clyps are always welcome from know it all kool doods like yourself. Show us that next level groundbreaking super-original game-changing music of yours lol, everyone is dying to know your secret to being better than everyone else
Did I miss anything fun?
>>63524118
bunch of people got together and wrote a loop. see here...
>>63505351
>>63506174
>>63506025
>>63506618
>>63506977
>>63507292
>>63507680
>>63507946
Also, >>63506174 's scream is in there not just as a sample but part of the bassline.
>>63524271
LOL
bummer, sounds fun
>>63524271
Was this>>63507946 the final version?
I'm >>63506174 btw
>>63524372
i suppose so. i think you're the only anon to make it in twice. you should feel lucky.
>>63524925
>twice
? You mean that my scream is played twice? Regardless, I think y'all did a fantastic job. I'll have to keep an eye on these threads in case you guys do one again
>>63506902
It's all super low-tech m8. This was made entirely with sampler and chains of default Ableton effects. I dunno if this is juvenile or a stupid process but often I will get some loop and run it through as many effects as possible and find some motif out of that chaos, record only that section, then that will become my sample to play around with. I guess a cool thing about making noise is that it's pretty much up to you to decide how to go about it, even more so than other shit.
So I made something triphop/downtempoy (don't really know) and everytime I add a kick it kills the vibe of it, should I just do this one without a kick?
https://clyp.it/0002zto1
>>63521383
what do those scale channels do pham?
>>63525961
Try it.
>>63502237
Might get flamed for this, but does anyone have the 64 bit Mac version of the Dada Life Sausage Fattener? Can only get the 32 bit version with torrents, it seems.
>>63525151
no I mean a granular sample of your scream makes up part of the bassline
>>63527888
Hah. You guys and your meme magic. You're crazy
https://clyp.it/2z00vbhy
>>63503579
this is cool
drums could be more prominent in the mix, and i would maybe add a melody to it
then maybe chop the whole thing up
>>63511575
> buying music software
>>63517925
ABL3 is a 303 emulator. Interface is shit and clunky and a stupid bitch, much like the actual 303, but it sounds exactly like it.
If you're willing to go deeper, ABL is weirdly much much more complex, but less focused on exact 303 emulation. Both great for acid.
Hey guys, just started recording and producing music and this is one of the first ideas that I'm happy with. Just taking a smoke/coffee break then getting back to it soon, any feedback?
https://clyp.it/kbewkmzu
things I know about:
>rhythm guitar sounds like shit (need to rerecord and mess with pedals)
>bass timing is a bit out
otherwise have any tips?
>>63513147
I have ideas to do some Zappa-ish stuff. Basically instrumental parodies of "trending" genres that are very uninspired, but act as vehicles to go into weird territory, but I've never gotten around to it.
>>63529805
slow down the volume of the guitar "dim dums" and make the space time between them more large.
>>63529927
i think Toro y Moi did similar stuff with "Samantha" with trap rap.
