Can someone explain the appeal of this piece of shit to me? I can appreciate the fact that it's way ahead of its time and it progressed music as a whole quite a bit, but I don't find anything enjoyable about it. The atmospheres are nice and the effects are a nice touch, but the vocals are tied together with the minimalist instrumentals in an attempt to sound dreary and moody that comes across as monotonous and drab. Don't even get me started on the incessantly pretentious pseudo-depressive lyrics that spark absolutely no emotion whatsoever in me. Talking Heads wrote a better Joy Division song than anything from the actual Joy Division with The Overload in the following year.
its fuck /mu/ delete this board holy shit
>pseudo-depressive
Does he not know?
>>63496855
>spark absolutely no emotion whatsoever in me
it's probably because you've never been a depressed teenager
Pseudo depressive? Dude killed himself lmao
delete this
>>63496987
>its fuck /mu/
what did he mean by this?
>>63497033
OP: As someone with diagnosed clinical depression, there's nothing dark or far-reaching about any of the lyrics. Their not poetic and you're fooling yourself if you think they are. Oddly enough, they're still nowhere near the most grinding part of the album.
>>63497069
she* go away
stop fuckiing talking in memes
fuck this board
fuck this board
fuck this board
>>63497121
Look guys he's trying to communicate
>>63497121
go to bed
>>63496855
>incessantly pretentious pseudo-depressive lyrics that spark absolutely no emotion whatsoever in ME
>in ME
They spark emotion in many good people anon, their lyrics were pretty iconic.
Also, it's supposed to convey the kind of depression that makes you feel nothing at all, just dread and emptiness, which it does in an incredible way. It sets what it wants to do and nails it perfectly, few albums do it that well.
>>63497115
OP: They're* Shit, I'm so tired.
>>63497063
That's great, man. I felt a greater display of depression in the new Bowie album. I couldn't care less about the in-depth details of Joy Division's lyricist.
>>63497121
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Talking Heads wrote a better Joy Division song than anything from the actual Joy Division with The Overload in the following year.
I disagree, and I honestly don't understand the appeal of that song.
>>63497121
remove your trip retard
>>63497172
n
>>63497187
talking heads are cool and don't have a t shirt
there is no appeal. people pretend to like it because it's influential
more like influenza. more like cancer
>>63497121
>she*
i thought you had a cock????
>>63497191
fuck yourself
these fuckiing meaningless people going to talk about how some record is shit because they don't like it who cares
>>63497223
yeah i get it LOL
>>63497234
lmao r u upset
>>63497234
I'm not up with tripfag drama, you were a guy and are a girl now, are just trolling or what?
Although you're right this thread is just >muh opinions all over.
>>63497253
lmao
going to bed reply to this email address in the middle of the most overrated and underrated bands and I will be a good time to time and money I am a beautiful person who can help you with the same
>>63497172
OP:
>good people
>Implying I'm somehow a bad person for, in my subjective self-reflection, not feeling any sort of relation to the lyrics
I'm glad they speak to you. They don't for me. I want this album to speak to me and I wouldn't have listened to this thing 5+ times if I didn't.
>>63497269
>going to bed reply to this email address in the middle of the most overrated and underrated bands and I will be a good time to time and money I am a beautiful person who can help you with the same
what the literal heck lolkeklmao
is this how mentally ill people communicate now??
>>63497269
>>63497234
>>63497121
>>63496987
>>63497199
OP: I want what she's on.
>>63497269
did anyone read all of this?
>>63497350
>she
stop this silly meme
>>63497289
I wasn't implying people who didn't feel anything with the lyrics weren't good silly goose it was just an expression. Like, they spark emotion in some people, that's it.
I'm glad you're giving the album a chance instead of just dismissing it, that's the spirit this board needs.
>>63497369
OP: I mean it in the nicest way.
>>63496855
This album is my life.
Extremely relatable lyrics and an atmosphere that is cold as ice.
It might be angsty, but not every depression-themed album has to be super avant-garde and philosophical to be authentic.
The ghostly vocals also do a great job in my opinion, but I can understand why you might find them annoying and I generally see why you hate Joy Division.
Relisten to, and play closer attention:
New Dawn Fades
Atmosphere
She's Lost Control
Shadowplay
I Remember Nothing
>>63497419
OP: In all honesty, I wouldn't be returning to it as many times as I have if it wasn't so highly regarded by many respectable people.
>>63497434
Yo you might like these:
Siekiera - Nowa Aleksandria
Manic Street Preachers - The Holy BIble
The Soft Moon's discography
John Maus - We Must Become The Pitiless Censors Of Ourselves
PiL - The Flowers of Romance
You probably have heard these already but oh well just spreading the word.
>>63497512
Thanks, I have yet to find music that catches me emotionally such as Joy Division. I will check em out.
>>63497269
She just pressed the predictive text button on her phone
>>63497583
Also The Chameleons and The Sound (singer also killed himself, they sound a bit similar, really underrated stuff). Hope you like them!
>>63497289
>I'm glad they speak to you. They don't for me
Congrats on discovering subjectivity.
I don't know what you want people to say. You seem extremely dismissive when told why people like it
>>63497595
yeah
>>63497115
he killed himself m8
because of depression m8
>>63497734
OP: see this >>63497175
>>63497121
>she
>>63497223
Then Lauren's a sie. Or a xhe. Or a xie. Or a zhi.
:^)
>>63497784
pretend I replied to you with like a guy fucking a dead cat or something thats how i feel about your post
>>63497697
Basslines for days
The atmospheric guitarwork
Hannet's hit or miss production techniques, even when they take away from the songs they're interesting
Ian's voice and melodies
One of the moodiest punk albums ever, its astounding that the band never saw Ian's death coming. It oozes depression and despair
You either like it or you don't, but I can't see how you've heard it "5 times" and don't even get the appeal. I'm not big on lyrics either and I understood it long before I fell in love with the album
>>63497803
Dude did you forget to take your hormones today or something? Why do you post like an edgy 14 year old whos mad because his mom told him that he couldnt go to the Twenty One Pilots concert?
>Captcha: Monte Dead
>>63497827
yeah i forgot to take my pills
Entry level hipster garbage
Would you fuck a tranny?
>>63496855
It's shit. People only hype it because it's influential and the dude killed himself.
>>63497827
>captcha
H-how? All I've gotten for the past year now is just these dumb choose the right pictures tests
>>63497815
OP: >Basslines for days
I'm a bass player. These are first-year level basslines, man.
>The atmospheric guitarwork
...Do you know what "atmospheric" actually means or...?
>Hannet's hit or miss production techniques, even when they take away from the songs they're interesting
The production is fine. It's practically the same production you'd hear on the early Sonic Youth albums. The only difference is that Sonic Youth's final product is, y'know... good.
>Ian's voice and melodies
Ian's voice is probably the most irritating part. He puts on such a fake voice that tries so desperately to be dramatic and it sounds so corny. And what melodies? He monotonously sings in the root of the chords throughout practically the entire album.
>One of the moodiest punk albums ever, its astounding that the band never saw Ian's death coming. It oozes depression and despair
I feel nothing but complete and utter boredom listening to it to the point of frustration, if that's what you mean by "moody."
>>63498028
>These are first-year level basslines
And they're great. Simple =/= bad
The rest is again subjective. I like it, you think its boring, thats it. You're acting like you need to prove somebody wrong for liking it
>>63497945
>he doesnt know about captcha legacy v1
>>63497121
You're a man, deal with it faggot
CAN THESE SENSATIONS MAKE ME FEEL THE PLEASURES OF A NORMAL MAN
>>63497115
this is suck a fucking moronic statement. 'as some with diagnosed clinical depression...' you are in no better place to argue the validity of curtis' lyrics.
is sheer transphobic anger patrician?
>>63497175
>>63497115
literally anyone can get a depression diagnosis if you tell them the right symptoms
you have no right to call it pseudo-depressive because he didn't pseudo-kill himself
if you could kill yourself for real this thread would be better off and maybe I'd take your "depression" seriously too
>>63497877
>nirvana
>>63497434
>this album is my life
I prefer Substance and Closer but Unknown Pleasures is a good album. I have felt the monotony you're speaking of before but there are some excellent tracks throughout that album and the second half in particular is very strong.
>>63496855
They weren't really ahead of their time tho,there were way better post punk before them. Meme band at least not as bad as new order, the infamous kings of dad synth.
>>63498888
>Implying anyone is actually in such a state of self-denial that they'd lie about symptoms to receive a diagnosis
>Tries to undermine the symptoms of a guy with bipolarity on the internet that he knows nothing about
>Getting all defensive over my lack of consideration for the guy committing suicide
>Follows it up by encouraging me to commit suicide
>All in the process of supporting an overrated heartstrings-over-substance band that hipsters like you have circle-jerked over for the past 30+ years
>>63499499
new order was pretty good in their own right and "ceremony" is a great song. don't forgot they also created a v good bleep label, too.
>>63499503
OP btw
Compared to Joy Division, Talking Heads just sound like a fucking joke. Maybe it sounds crazy but maybe, just maybe there are opinions ok? Like maybe some just might like it ok? It's just theoretical but just maybe you just don't like the music made by Joy Division. You came here to ask why is this album appealing to people that enjoy it, but do you think you start fucking liking it after you've heard that? It's like you're a fucking teenager whose mind changes just with a snap of a fingers because of others opinions. Grow the fuck up OP...
>>63497684
>mobile
please stop
>>63499503
>>63499528
you should kill yourself for this bad taste anyway tbqh
>>63499617
OP: The funny thing is nobody has changed my mind or given me a legitimate reason to. It's angsty pretentious teen hipster shit for people who think they're more cultured for listening to a grown man whine in a monotonous singing voice over boring instrumentals rather than listening to a teen with a swoop haircut whining over a lame chugging breakdown. I just can't imagine people actually liking this thing for anything other than the fact that you're expected to like it. Unlike every single pleb that acts like Unknown Pleasures is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I'm not going to suddenly think it's brilliant because their lead vocalist actually killed himself. Kid Cudi sounds like he's on the verge of killing himself on his new album. If he does, are we gonna all change our minds and consider that garbage a masterpiece? I sure fucking hope not.
>>63497115
They're by definition poetic.
10/10 lyricism btw
>>63499895
Just listen to the smiths at least they're musically good as well as lyric wise (and who doesn't love some of the most amazing riffs ever written by Marr?)
>>63500025
I already listen to them and I like their lyrics less. And JD has Hooky and Barnie
>>63500025
OP: This guy knows what's up.
>>63497121
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OP: I swear, you lyric-junkies should find an alternative to music if you care more about the lyrics than anything. Read a book or some (actual) poetry or some shit.
Joy Division are better musically than the Smiths you appalling plebs
Morrissey has a great voice though of course
>>63500133
you're the only person in this thread who is obsessed with the lyrics you unbelievable faggot
this is literally all about you getting offended that the lyrics aren't relatable enough for you or some trivial bullshit
> It's angsty pretentious teen hipster shit for people who think they're more cultured for listening to a grown man whine in a monotonous singing voice over boring instrumentals
But that's basicly The Doors too
>>63500135
OP: Joy Division sounds like some community college students' attempt at hip music with no grasp of musical theory and some guy that can make electronic "whoosh" sounds every once in a while to mask how uninteresting the base of the music is.
closer is better t b h
>>63500219
wow op your opinions are so cool and neat
also put a trip on if you're so desperate for credit, it'd make your posts less ugly
>>63500162
Hey
>>63500159
OP: Sure, man.
>>63500219
Listen to Dead Souls and Love Will Tear Us Apart. Joy Division have a better grasp of actual composition than most rock artists, never mind other punk artists who usually had the instrumental skills of a toddler.
>>63500247
OP: You can't prove me wrong. At least my opinions aren't flaccid and based off of basic societal expectations.
>>63500337
>my opinions aren't flaccid and based off of basic societal expectations
idk who you can bait with this fedora impression
Can you fucking stop putting "OP:" before your posts?
>>63500306
OP: Those actually weren't half-bad.
If you don't like it you don't like it. Why are you trying to force yourself to like it more than you do/don't? To "fit in"? Form your own opinion and move on. We don't need to persuade you if you're clearly trying to find reasons to find faults.
>>63500135
But do they have riffs as good? Song writing? Vocals? When did joy division write their "what difference does it make" ? Or "this charming man?", hell the smiths even beat joy division in their own game with last night I dreamt..
>>63500306
Love will tear us apart is horrible in a bad way.
>>63500606
You're wrong, it's their best, most interesting song.
>>63500570
OP: You're right. How wrong was I to expect a mature discussion completely void of childish insults and threats from anyone that goes on this shitty board. Sorry for getting irritated. Fuck me.
>OP:
>>63500705
>mature
you started the thread calling it a piece of shit. you're the child
>>63500705
>Fuck me.
this
>>63500705
>How wrong was I to expect a mature discussion completely void of childish insults
>First sentence in the thread is "Can someone explain the appeal of this piece of shit to me?"
DONT WORY GUISE IM UNLY PRATENDING 2 B RETURDED
>>63497871
Who wouldn't?
>>63500722
OP: Would you rather I tripfag? Would that suit your needs, anon?
>>63497792
>Then Lauren's a sie
But she's not German
The main singers vocals on this album are hilariously out of place on these types of songs
>>63500781
OP: that's the point of a trip, yes
>>63500781
That is basically the equivilent of tripfagging, but it's even more retarded. You really don't need to put "OP:" at the beginning of every post you make.
>>63500740
>>63500742
OP: Interesting considering nobody gave a damn that I called it a piece of shit (which it is) and I received plenty of mature responses until you guys started getting all salty.
>>63500902
>salty
go back to /v/
>>63500955
>Implying I frequent /v/
Holy shit. I'm so sick of this fucking board.
>>63501034
>>63501034
Are you fucking autistic?
Dreams Never End is the best Joy Division song and it was written once he died lmao
>>63501034
that's not a trip you pleb
>>63501187
OP: baited ;^)))
>>63501034
>>63501224
oj
oops I misspelt ok did you see that hat's bait haha
>>63501506
There is a kinda magic to this album i dont think your getting. Its like four guys that cant really play their instruments very well decide to play them differently.
Ian goes out of tune all the time yet he's a great vocalist. If you dont understand that then i can honestly say you just dont get it.
>>63501724
there was nothing difficult to understand in your post and there is nothing intelligent in your thread
>>63499828
ye agreed. you are chatting gas mate
