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Contemporary edition.
Post your favorite composers and compositions from the past ~20 years, continue to mourn the death of Boulez and Maxwell Davies, shit on minimalists, etc.
Getting these out of the way:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
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https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
>>63421180
>tfw she says her favorite composer is ludovico einaudi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GsugKHLEzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--elKKbmoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwtfBdgDek
>>63421180
>Post your favourite composers and compositions from the last twenty years
This is by far my favourite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzuLCLdcym0
>>63421351
>tfw she doesn't understand the difference between enaudi and satie
>>63421351
my ex
>>63421180
>shit on minimalists.
My favorite contemporary composer is Arvo Part nig. Talk shit get hit.
>>63420070
>Go to your local library negro. Basic theory or playing an instrument helps you wrap your head around the most virtuosic pieces, but the utmost best thing to do imo is to read biographies.
That sounds like a good idea.
I did play in the school band when I was a kid, but I was atrocious. To kick me off the band would have been far more merciful than let me continue. It would be nice to be able to play an instrument, so I have played with the idea of getting one of those keyboards that hook up to the computer and learn to play, but I already know I probably won't follow through with practice and it will just gather dust. I'd love a harpsichord in my living room, but that's just a deluded fantasy. It would just take up space and I wouldn't be able to do the instrument justice anyway. And I certainly can't afford one.
>Other than that idk what to say. Go to a live performance? Seeing a very good piece live is a nice way of internalizing / visualizing it when you listen to it elsewhere. It helps you contextualize what really goes into the music.
Probably the most important thing. I can rarely bring myself to sit down at home and just listen undistracted anyway. Unfortunately my town is run by philistines, but I should be able to find a couple of venues.
Anyway, thank you for the advice!
>>63421180
chopper blades are literally the most austere musical instruments of all times
>>63421683
>arvo fart
>good
If you're gonna choose a good minimlist at least let it be Andriessen or Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpb--d8KjnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYdNaj4ldNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5hLUU2NrUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU6F0rSbbsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnDmycfIweI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIiJo5Gzo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybR-2k1661c
>>63422381
>Fart joke
>Thinks steve reich is a good minimalist
your taste smells. post minimalism > minimalism
To the people asking about the selection at the San Antonio Symphony, among the eight times I attended (for free), a couple of my favorites were R Strauss' Death and Transfiguration, Ravel's Concerto for the Left Hand, and Verdi's Requiem.
Incidentally, because I was an engineering student there, some of us also got a technical tour of the venue, which is how I got this shot here.
Moral of the story: if any of you guys are looking at colleges, it's worth asking the music department if they have connections with a local symphony. Trinity University in San Antonio definitely does.
![IMAG0281[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k852uik.jpg "IMAG0281[1].jpg")
>>63422729
*this* shot here
>>63422555
>>63422381
I think they're both good.
Lots of people like both, and with good reason. I'm not even saying Part is the "best" minimalist, just that he's my favorite. He's like a venerable old christ-bro that offers spiritual guidance through music, its way less cynical or nihilistic as the extremely avant garde experimental stuff, or as the mechanical minimalism of other composers.
His isn't drive by a desire to innovate or to stand out, I think its a sincere grasp at musical purity as a tool for spirituality.
Classical music became utterly irrelevant after the death of Stravinsky.
Both Cage and Stockhausen tried to somehow revive it, but you can see the futility of it today.
>>63422886
The technological advancement had a huge impact on classical music.
>>63422886
what exactly do you mean by "irrelevant"? Do you mean that it isn't widely popular anymore?
>>63422886
when was classical music ever relevant? serious question.
>>63423106
It was very relevant to people in the pre-1950s. Minimalism slightly revived it.
/classical/ blindfold threads when??
>>63423106
The entirety of history up until the late 20th century...?
What are you retarded? Or is this the classic "I was just pretending to be retarded" meme.
>>63422555
>thinks he's too old for fart jokes
further proof that Mozart is underrated, and what a waste of trips
What are the best Rossini operas (and recordings) for me to try?
>>63423343
William Tell - Lamberto Gardelli
>>63423390
thanks
>>63423637
You're welcome.
>literally who tripfag and namefag
Disgusting.
>>63423783
I'm playing Risk, arsehole.
>>63423783
>that little gut on qt Boulez
I'd lick it desu senpai
>>63423783
Come on now, that's not nice.
>>63423023
It made a huge impact on everything, but modern classical music is just a tiny, microscopic thing in that "everything".
Post garbage recordings
>>63424625
>>63424625
Your student's academic record?
>>63424625
I swear to god there's a moment in the last movement of that recording were JUST as the violins are reaching the climax somehow they get out of sync and you can actually hear a whole group precede (or lag behind?) the downbeat. Its fucked. never heard something like it before in a recording.
>>63424876
The trombones dont come in during the climax. Allegedly, according to an amazon comment, someone had a heart attack during the climax and this distracted the players. Supposedly. I'm not really sure if it's true or not.
But there is plenty other things wrong with that recording, the Berliners play exceptionally mediocrely throughout, in my opinion. Absolutely without their trademark steel that you so often hear from them. The dynamics and balances sound fucked (though this could just be the recording fidelity), and there are numerous cases of Bernstein's retarded rubato and other 'touch-ups' which just strike me as nonsensical and being different for the sake of it.
Karajan was right in not wanting him near the baton. And even though I don't really love his Mahler either he did a better job with the 9th (or any other Mahler symphony for that matter) than that charlatan Bernstein ever did.
>>63424998
Kek. So close.
>>63425128
Tfw Bernstein literally killed a man with his awful conducting
>>63424625
What's some more psychedelic stuff in the vein of Symphonie Fantastique, or is it more one of a kind?
>>63425603
I don't know what you mean by psychedelic.
Its romantic programmic music, so there's plenty of that. Strauss would suit you maybe? Or Respighi's fountains/pines of rome
>>63424625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkPeiSN7mzc&spfreload=10
>yfw the Prussian quartets are better than the Haydn quartets
>>63426123
What a strong empowered womxn, looks like a lot of fun!
didn't jazz kill classical, which was then itself killed by bleep bloop?
-a filthy pleb
>>63426988
>Jazz and classical are dead meme
I wish /jazz/ had a bigger community.
>>63427145
>meme
search your heart babyface
>>63427235
It's still being made, performed, and listened to regularly.
>>63427392
and yet no one cares
>>63427435
>no one cares
>in the /classical/ thread
>>63426988
No? What the fuck are you talking about?
>>63422440
Some of these scores, and most in this thread, should be regarded as actual crimes against humanity
>>63427830
i thought it was fairly straightforward
>>63427978
Yes, but that's not even close to true.
>>63425741
Psychedelic probably because Berlioz was high on opium all the time.
>>63425603
How about La Mer? It gets pretty trippy on the third movement
>be me
>for the past couple years listen casually to stuff like pictures at an exhibition, gymnopedies, 1812 overture, suite bergamasque
>think stuff like beethoven, bach, and mozart is just overrated by nature and don't bother ever listening to them
>this year download beethoven's sonatas, bach's claviers, and mozart's concertos just for the hell of it
>now i'm obsessed and other classical has been ruined for me
not sure if good or bad feel
>>63429298
You're learning to not underrate Mozart and therefore on road to patriciandom.
>>63429298
Its a good feel.
Embrace classical and baroque anon. Its patrician classical.
>>63429298
>Think bach, mozart is overrated by nature
Maybe if you're a MASSIVE pleb
>>63421180
QUICK: post cello sonatas or pieces with prominent cellos that are appropriate for somebody who has been playing it for 1 month, but has good left hand technique from past musical experience.
>tfw Mozart's sonatas are underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UvDOGo3qI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmEJr1m8EdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRqWeY_-pHQ
>>63421431
wow I recognize some of the faces in the orch.
TMC '09
>>63424625
>>63424876
Bernstein was a pretty overrated conductor in general
>>63433319
As hard as he tried to disassociate himself from that awful Brahms piano concerto 2 it was just as much his fault as it was Gould's.
>>63422886
sounds like you just dont know shit about 20th century music. So many interesting and relevant composers working after stravinsky I can't even begin to list them. Stay ignorant, or stick around these threads, you might learn a thing or two.
>>63425603
Turangalila by Messiaen
>>63433319
Probably the biggest hack out of the well known conductors. His lectures are fun to listen to, though.
>>63432419
>That homophony
>"minor" piece, but mostly in major
ah Mozart, when will you ever write a good sonata?
I do like the pianoforte sound of the last video though. very nice. Those sonatas are rated just right.
>>63422886
lmfao! What is your source of music knowledge? Rateyourmusic.com or /mu/ maybe?
>>63426123
Just kill me
>>63426988
Kind of. While jazz, culture, and technology in the 1920's certainly changed a lot of traditionalism forever, there was still an audience an audience for classical (older people, families, and wrong generationers). Of course you couldn't fit 30 minute classical performances on records from before the 1950's, so it was better suited to popular music and short songs. Tradition managed to keep classical alive (just slowly becoming more niche over time). There are lots of great and important composers of the 20th century because of this.
I don't understand why you think bleep bloop killed jazz. Bleep bloop originally started as a type of art music, and eventually found an audience as pop. If anything it's rock that replaced jazz. Jazz didn't die when rock became popular, though. It just changed focus more towards bebop, rather than earlier swing/pop music (which was contained to 3 minute recordings, because of technology).
>>63426988
nope. Art music has always existed alongside popular music. It continues to be made, performed and appreciated to this day.
most genres dont die, they just evolve.
>>63435677
>>63426988
also classical actually started bleeps and bloops in the 60s.
Only classical composers and workers in radio recording studios had the patience to deal with early electronic instruments. this was long before you could download a DAW and do it all from your computer. Back in the 60s you had to use tape for everything, and literally create your own sounds from massive clunky modular synths. It wasn't easy work. Certainly not for casuals or popular music plebs interested in making some money and getting famous. The whole DJ/producer/electronic music as popular music thing didn't happen till the 80s.
Once again. classical leads the way, and popular music only catches on 20+ years later, and when it does it just does a bland watered down version of what classical originally did.
I mean look at these early electronic pieces: far more complex and interesting than any bleep from the last 30 years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5n1pZn4izI
>>63429298
>tfw the opposite happened to me
I got so burned out on Bach and Mozart trying to impress CLT and Ame that I can't stomach them at high doses at all anymore.
Renaissance Polyphony, Mussorgsky, Debussy, Ives, and Bartok is what I'm obsessed with now
>>63435842
le african repetition face
>>63435906
>I got so burned out on Bach and Mozart trying to impress CLT and Ame
Eternally pleb
>>63435918
le 9/11 was the greatest work of art face
>>63435906
>using music to try and impress someone
for what purpose?
>>63435940
>>63436028
This was back when I was an impressionable classical listener and got very upset when someone made fun of my taste, around 2011-2012.
Obviously I don't give a shit that much anymore, but I listened to Bach and Mozart 5-6 hours a day during that period. One of the most enjoyable experiences, but I had to branch out
im green as fuck.
i like piano sonatas.
I've got some Schubert's sonatas, some of Beethoven's, some of Mozart's. I've got Chopin's nocturnes. Is there anything outside of these chumps that I should really hop onto?
Hearing the andantino of schubert's piano sonata in A really set me off on all this. Anything that, I dont know, is more like that?
Thanks /class/
>>63436465
arpeggione sonata
>>63434490
Brahms' first. It really was awful though, Gould was not a good Brahms player.
>>63436465
The late Beethoven sonatas are timeless (Op. 109 and on). Richard Goode has the best recordings of them.
Have there been any great string quartets in the 21st century so far? The 20th century was fucking amazing for string quartets, and I'm looking for more.
>>63437926
wolfgang rihm
>>63437926
>>63437938
ferneyhough too
>>63437343
Goode is Goode, not great
>>63438082
Who has better late Beethoven then?
>>63438091
Yudina has the best recording of 32.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfbjXVawNY
>>63438307
not a fan. She's a very limited player.
>>63438091
kovacevich
can anyone recommend some good classical music? the only songs I like and can name are schubert - ave maria and 1812 overture by tchaikovsky
>>63438523
his technique is lacking for late beethoven, and it shows.
However, I do quite like his cerebral approach. I don't think it's too dissimilar from Goode's, but Goode's touch is pretty unparalleled, and it shows especially in the op. 109.
>>63438640
are you autistic, by any chance?
>>63438666
No, what makes you think that?
>>63438703
you're confusing technique with the way you want the piece to be heard. autists often do that.
>>63438534
Try these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuFA3Dmglwl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45xscpiW9pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl76hvfncnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hhpqp8jWgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeBomVCgC3A
>>63438742
I'd rather be autistic than have bad ears.
Technique encompasses being able to variate touch to fit the interpretation. Kovacevich (at least in his philips set) lacks that.
Also he married a brainless hack, but that shouldn't really be used to determine his worth as a player.
>>63438384
>She's a very limited player.
?
>>63438534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuFA3DmglwI
>>63438855
There's a lot more variance of touch in Kovacevich's recording than Goode's. In fact, a lot more than "quiet" to "moderately quiet", which is the Goode amount. While you're allowed to have your own opinion, maybe you should actually listen to classical music for more than just "technique".
>Also he married a brainless hack, but that shouldn't really be used to determine his worth as a player.
Good thing this statement can be used to determine your worth as an opinion.
>>63438858
A lot of the liberties she takes (in all of her recordings, not just the Beethoven) seem to be because she struggles with the notes.
Whats some classical that I can play with my electric bass?
>>63438951
>Chalking it up to technique again
But m-muh perfect recordings
>>63437926
HAAS
A
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>>63438942
>There's a lot more variance of touch in Kovacevich's recording than Goode's. In fact, a lot more than "quiet" to "moderately quiet", which is the Goode amount.
You're confusing dynamic range with touch variance.
>While you're allowed to have your own opinion, maybe you should actually listen to classical music for more than just "technique".
Technique isn't something that's completely separate from the music to begin with. That's something really shitty musicians try to pull (the opposite is true as well, technical players that are braindead are just as useless). Those are the guys that drop out of conservatory the quickest after they realize they can't fake their way through anymore.
>>63438987
who even mentioned perfect recordings?
When technique dictates the liberties that a player takes, that's a failed interpretation. Who gives a shit about missed notes, it happens to the best.
>earlier today
>overhear a ~14-15 year old girl talking about music
>she says she likes clair de lune and some other french piece I can't remember
>later in the conversation she says she heard them in twilight
It really wasn't a meme.
>>63439177
That was a meme?
>>63438951
I doubt that's true. The missed notes and occasional nervousness that accompanies Yudina's recordings sre the result of her extreme interpretations, not the other way around. She loves to do just about everything different from everyone else. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I doubt a bad pianist could take passages with such flexibility like she is capable of, or play them as fast as she sometimes can. On some recordings she doesn't slip at all, and on others she does, but let's be fair here; back in those days a lot of recordings that were made were done with very limited retakes, and many of Yudina's are live. She has good days and bad days, but her style is relatively consistent, and I really doubt it has anything to do with lack of technique. Richter certainly didn't think so, and I'm sure he knows more about pianism than either of us.
>>63439068
Oh fuck yeah, I forgot about Haas. I'm going to listen to some of his now.
>>63437938
>>63438049
Will look up Wolfgang Rihm later too. Not a big fan of Ferneyhough.
>>63421449
They both suck
>>63422381
Those are also shit. The only good minimalists are Reilly and Adams
>>63422753
Dude, are you like the Phantom of the Opera or something?
>born after 1850
into the trash it goes
>>63422886
Stravinsky didn't die before Stockhausen and Cage came along though
>>63424625
>post garbage compositions
ftfy
>>63427145
>claims its not dead
>acknowledges not even on a top 5 website can it accrue enough collective interest to support a stable community
>>63429298
>the popular stuff is overrated and sucks even though I haven't listened to it
>the stuff I just heard is more novel so now the other stuff sucks
You're not supposed to be either one of these douchebags, you fickle dumbass
>>63424058
he's dead you know
>>63435842
>mfw
>>63438049
Ferneyhough is like the worst composer there is. He might even be worse than Nico Muhly
>>63438091
For Beethoven you gotta go with Schnabel
>>63440122
yeah Stockausen isn't music, its a theatrical spiritual experience.
He was a conscripted as a stretcher bearer in WW2, his mother had leukemia and was lethal injectioned by nazi's, along with everyone else in the hospital. His father died in the war and he had no parents by age 17. 2 years later he started studying music, and was an extreme formalist.
>>63440258
>he had an interesting and turbulent life and this means he can do anything including making music
apparently not
>>63440142
Ferneyhough is so good that plebs think he's shit.
He's just above most peoples intelligence. Not many people want to read 6 paragraphs about why a piece was written, and then listen to the struggle between performer and notation that is ferneyhough's music. Those with enough intelligence to comprehend his music actually get a lot out of it. Its highly interesting and varied, and has a very high replay value thanks to the density.
Should have called it The Ants Go Marching symphony tbph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nP0gqKmWuY
>>63440377
Music was never meant to be superficially challenging.
>>63440367
not just music, but excellent music that no one had envisioned before. Confirmed genius and visionary. You dont have to like his music, but this is the generally agreed consensus among 20th classical academics.
>>63440409
says who? music can be whatever the composer wants.
Its the listener who has to decide if they like it or not.
>>63440410
>>63440427
>>63440377
The problem with art criticism in the 20th century onward is the belief that arguments from authority can precede a wider consensus of value only awaiting articulation
>>63440521
the term "art" ceased to mean anything post duchamp. All we have now is music. Some of it people like, some of it other people like.
All I know is I've spent a lot of time talking to performers, conductors, composers, students and the various other walks of like from the classical world, and pretty much everyone has a deep respect for Stockhausen. The ones that know Ferneyhough respect him too. You may not like these composers, but I do.
You can say I have shit taste, you can say I'm indoctrinated by academics, or you can accept that maybe 20th century music just isn't for you. The people who enjoy it enjoy it greatly, but it seems you're just not one of them.
>>63440628
It would be hard to reconcile that with maintaining my favorite composers. I'll say that 21st century music is definitely not for me, nor is the whole damn century itself to be perfectly honest, its for the birds.
can anyone recommend me some music?
Im a total classical pleb, however I have a 31 discs edition of most of Rachmaninoff's works which I really like listening to. i quite like the sort of dark and melancholy feel of his stuff. what else should I listen?
I tried to get into classical music more lately, and I found some great music in the last couple of weeks. The problem is: I never learned a classical instrument, not even the piano. I only play the guitar and bass for a decade or so, which doesn't really count. I never played in an orchestra etc and I have the feeling that I'm missing out on a lot while listening to classical music. It feels like other people are hearing something completely different than I do. They talk about "Mozart's piano concerto no. 24 uses clever instrumentation", stuff like that and I never feel like that is something I heard in the music. I listen to classical music like a pleb and think some parts sounds "nice" or "catchy", but I don't have the feeling that I come close to understanding it the way it's meant to be understood.
On the other hand, I read a lot of analyses that put more emphasis on the effect on the listener and they would say something like "Mahler's sixth symphony expresses hopelessness and desolation", something on that I intuitively get, at least in parts.
Still, I have the feeling that I have a very superficial access to classical music, a feeling that really wants me to give up music entirely.
TL;DR: How do you listen to classical music? Do you listen to technical details of the composition or do you just let your intuition work? Do you feel like you need to "learn" to appreciate classical music in more depth?
>>63441133
There are more than a few people here who aren't classically trained nor can they read music super well, and they enjoy it nonetheless. Though you can pick up on stuff the more you listen and the more you read about music.
Just listen and keep learning, I wouldn't worry too much about the technicalities because a lot of this music was written not only for the composer themselves, but for audiences which did not necessarily have exactly the same kind of musical intelligence that most composers and performers have.
>>63441272
>I wouldn't worry too much about the technicalities
Er, that isn't to say that the technicalities aren't important--they are, but if one isn't learned in classical it doesn't necessarily detract from the experience.
Being musically learned can greatly augment your enjoyment of pieces, though
>>63441272
>>63441274
Thanks, I will give those books a read
>>63434950
>So many interesting and relevant composers working after stravinsky I can't even begin to list them
These figures are socially irrelevant, alienated. They can not contribute to the Grand Style of our social order since there is no Grand Style at all and barely any social order left. They may as well write their "modern classical" while inside an isolated space module.
>you might learn a thing or two.
Oh no, thanks, I'm fed up with it. I've been studying it for years.
>>63435162
My mind and my occupation.
Anyway, that's only my point of view, not some universal knowledge. Perhaps somewhere there's a radically new school of composition, which consists of recluse geniuses who live in the sewers of New York City.
>>63424764
fuck you.
>>63441598
wow
rec me haydn-esque string works written after haydn's death
composers that are literally you
>pic related
Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor
>>63440521
That's a long winded way of saying:
>The problem with art criticism after the 20th century
>Is that people disagree with it and think its ugly.
The best modern music has at least some reasoning as to the quality of prominent composers, their innovation, their structure, their timbre, their techniques, etc.
>>63441133
see>>63421878
>>63441487
>Grand Style of our social order
What the fuck does that even mean? You mean their music is ubiquitous in modern society and constantly under scrutiny / elaboration / variation?
>I've been studying it for years.
Sounds pretty pathetic tbqh senpai, if you're going to study something specific like music and then discredit everyone after stravinsky you've either chosen a very wrong field of study, or are embarrassing.
>>63441016
Try some Scriabin. Start with Op. 1-Op. 50. Then, when you get the hang of it, listen to the rest.
You will love it. Scriabin was friends with Rachmaninoffs.
This is a small sample of what you are into:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwQ9fJKA8c
>>63443322
>What the fuck does that even mean? You mean their music is ubiquitous in modern society and constantly under scrutiny / elaboration / variation?
It has no part in modern society. At all. Jesus Christ, please take a look around, I'm not talking about some sublime matters. The European nobility is no more for a century, major capitalists are certainly not the new masters of the culture, but merely slaves to their own capital. There is only collective irresponsibility and decay.
Dystopian citizens argue about the Grand Style.
Now this is a special kind of surrealism.
>What the fuck does that even mean?
Nietzsche said "the grand style is considered no longer simply art, but reality, truth, Life itself". All classical music eras were in fact different understandings of the European grand style manifested in time. You can say that baroque was it, or medieval tradition, or renaissance.
>Sounds pretty pathetic tbqh senpai, if you're going to study something specific like music and then discredit everyone after stravinsky you've either chosen a very wrong field of study
I didn't only study it, I play it. And love it all, no matter old or modern. All in all it has nothing to do with the point of my remark.
Hi guys, thought you might not get enough rookies asking for recs so I dropped by.
So far, I've been listening to Ravel, Debussy, Janaček, Stravinsky, Grieg, Chopin, Dvorak, Smetana and Borodin, roughly in that order. Might be plen af, I dunno. I'm just glad I'm enjoying classical after all.
I think the key was finding how much I prefer chamber or solo pieces to orchestras. Also, I really like anything a bit dark or a bit eastern.
So anyway, I think I've got a foothold in impressionism and romanticism. I wanna try baroque and classicism next. Can you think of anything for me?
who >>Poulenc here?
>>63443745
No shit it doesn't have a "place" in modern society, neither is it meant to. "Experimental" and "avant-garde" music is as the name entails: not meant for mass or public consumption. They're exercises in the boundaries of music, and the extent of innovation.
And dear god don't use words that don't suit your meaning
>sublime matters
How is that an effective word in your sentence? I don't often give a shit, but when you follow it up with such a trite seemingly marxist inspired statement it stands out.
>no longer simply art, but reality, truth, life itself.
How you can connect Baroque music to that I cannot understand. Baroque music was certainly popular, and was certainly a consumptive product back then, but how does that represent "truth" or "reality" ? It was a consumer good.
If anything the most modern music is trying much harder at representation of life. The more brooding, incomprehensible, and ugly, the closer to an expression of existentialism.
Nietzsche is no authority on these matters, and his quote has no significance either.
Is this the finest collection of canonic motets ever published? Truly a worthy successor to Willaert.
Best Le quattro stagioni recording?
>>63440060
He means that good stuff is still being made but it is currently a niche market.
>>63438957
Bach cello suites transposed
>>63433319
He was dread-awful.
Most kikes are horrible, their cause for elevation is often pure clannishness alone.
>>63444501
pretty fun composer tbf
>>63443333
Thanks a lot. Sounds great.
>>63444501
Pretty based,
Oboe sonata is GOAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY1j_DJDOf8
>>63440674
When the local philharmonic played Turangalila half the hall cleared out, so maybe you are just a hypocrite?
>>63437343
thanks
Chopin banana anyone?
>>63449433
kys
I'm looking for more severe and imposing themes like this brooding one from Prokofiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmq1cpcglQ
Share your recommendations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztozBL-SZMU
Bump
>>63448532
Wow what a pleb audience
>>63444501
Frequently played by the professional musicians that stop by my school, and I've liked everything I've heard by him. Definitely one of my favorite composers that I haven't actually delved into.
>>63444473
Nope, all of those composers you just listed are widely respected by everybody here in classical
You will definitely like Bartok and Ives and other folk-influenced classical
>>63439728
>Riley
>good
Maybe In C, Albion, and his tape works, but his solo and chamber works are fucking garbage
>>63444473
Listen to Mozart
>>63439177
Are you denying the power of memes?
Clair de lune was always a womeme favorite along with Moonlight, Rach No 2 and Chopin nocturnes.
>>63449433
Stale meme
I've got a piece stuck in my head and I can't remember what it is. The beginning sounds a little something like this. It sounds pretty pleb so it might not be classical like I think it is.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0UgZ2s1NxKY
>>63452659
Forgot: Does it sound familiar to you guys at all?
>>63451269
Hey.
Rach 2 and 3 are fun.
>>63452659
Sounds like a shitty ringtone desu senpai. Can't help ya. Especially without knowing any of the orchestration, key, time signature, or any of that stuff.
>>63452544
/fa/ as fuck desu senpai
>>63452544
never really took off anyway
>>63452659
Knees weak, arms are heavy
Mom's spaghetti
XD
>>63445719
Concerto Italiano
>>63435021
>Probably the biggest hack out of the well known conductors.
that would be solti.
>>63422886
My honest opinion is that Classical got good at first with the works of Anton Webern and then got really good after his death.
>>63456943
fptmiu
When was the last time you saw a classical album cover that was neither
a) a painting
b) fucking horrible
Would it detract from the music somehow if they at least took a decent photo of the performer?
>>63458167
i dunno m8 i see a lot of covers with the performer on it
>>63458167
Like, look at this thing >>63455087
That text, fucking really? This is five emoji short of my mom's emails.
I could do better in MS Paint in a few minutes. I actually could, holy shit man.
>>63458632
>>63458739
Shoot me.
>>63458632
mr. doremi is both blind and deaf so it's no surprise
most historical labels often have really bad covers. i like the simple style of Orfeo and Andante though
>>63456943
Ligeti is one of the few composers after Stravinsky that truly up holded tradition
you could feel Scaraltti, Bach, Chopin and Debussy in his work as well as the new music of Stravinsky, Reich, and Nancarrow
He's one of the few Jewish composers I wouldn't gas
>>63384093
>>63384110
>https://youtu.be/eW_t7HNJI2c
I'm talking about the theme that plays in the first 25 seconds, it's not from La Marseillaise.
>>63458167
a composer is fine too
>>63459059
>ywn be as aesthetic as Wuorinen with cats
Why even live?
>>63459059
tfw you need to poop but he keeps taking pictures for the cover
>>63459180
>>63458167
>>63459054
pls respond
>>63458739
Kek
>>63458167
TSaTF have half naked men doing poses, maybe that's more up your (back)alley?
>tfw Orto is actually good
What's some good classical to sleep to?
>>63461212
Youtube "best of classical essential mix"
>>63449988
the Alexander Nevsky suite
Mahler symphonies 5 and 6
>>63461212
Haydn's 94th symphony.
>>63458739
Every fucking time. This reminds me of children education computer games from the 90's.
>>63458167
>>63421180
here's some contemporary classical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KaNoK04Cy8
i mean damn, from an art era-centric frame, how much more 'contemporary' can get? This midi music captures a huge part of daily life in 2016, that is the constant barrage of information in all varying forms, be it the sounds of cars or machines, to buildings and billboards, and there's an entire tangent to go down concerning advertising. but in this massive overlay of midi tracks to create a wall of audible information, and in many cases paired with visual information as well, it parallels this information overload
I think it merits some sort of recognition for paralleling contemporary life so well, be it these songs are created with that in mind or not
>>63459054
that is pretty close to the La Marseillaise thing however if you mean the part at exactly 25 seconds, I will say it just sounds like a pretty generic romantic motiff. I am sure similar melodies appear in many pieces but its not really strong enough to be a whole figure and I am not sure which piece would best represent a "boiling down" of it.
>>63458739
I have this album solely because of its cover
HELP HELP HELP
This is a a terrible interview with a very irrelevant activist, and I didn't watch it, but the music at the start! What is it! I heard it countless times, I think it's by Bach, but I'm not sure, and I cannot find its name in my memory!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFk7URhY6X4
>>63465403
>4/4 rhythm
>foor to the floor dance kicks
>tonal
>shitty MIDI rendition / poor quality samples
This is not contemporary classical. For something to be art music it has to exist primarily in a written score. There are a few exceptions like Nancarrow's player piano pieces, but most art music is written by people who can actually write scores too, even If they have chosen not to.
There are no merits to this music. Its poor quality even for a 2000 era video game, let alone a 2016 contemporary classical piece.
>>63466726
>>63466943
Sally is the one who has autism, because she can't tell whether or not people are fucking cunts like Anne
>>63466172
patrician
>>63467333
patrician would be actually enjoying Babbit instead of just looking at the cover.
>>63467484
>patrician
>enjoying Babbitt
Pick only one.
>>63467605
pleb detected
>>63460951
>tfw no Renaissance bf
>>63460951
these are not men, they are angels :')
>>63422381
>Reich
>good
AHAHAHAHAHA ANON YOU ARE SO FUNNY
this is the best vespro della beata vergine recording, prove me i'm wrong
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Ah, now that that's over with, let's have a thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3Vmo_EM8Y
have you listened to Schoenberg yet today /classical/?
>>63469240
what about non-jewish modern composers?
Does religion really have such an implication on your listening habits? That seems pretty stupid.
If you're not roman catholic you probably shouldn't be listening to Haydn with those views.
>>63469260
Everyday senpai, along with Mahler
>>63469260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
I can't bear more than 5 seconds of this, but I think it should follow every Jew around to warn people of their presence.
>>63469310
>around to warn people of their presence.
Yes, I suppose it would be appropriate for the patricians to announce their presence to the plebs (ie. you) via appropriately high-brow theme music.
>>63469019
I can't because I have never heard the piece.
>>63469310
>being a common practice pleb
kek
>>63469326
>>63469354
I seriously feel the need to shower after hearing that
It's time to settle this once and for all.
הגיע הזמן ליישב את זה אחת ולתמיד .
http://strawpoll.me/7142577
>>63469361
just like if you had really run through a haunted forest, a transfigured night
>>63469367
>no Isaac
Oy vey
>>63469367
Milhaud was Jewish?.... Fuck
>>63470641
>caring about a composers religious views
for what purpose?
>>63470782
To sound edgy on 4chan. Nobody raises a brow over racism and misogyny around here, so it's back to antisemitism.
How do you folks feel about Hailstork?
Morgan State Choir "I Will Lift Up Mine Eyes": http://youtu.be/5X3zcNFRXwU
Any bets on what the Brabants going to tackle this year? Vinders? Bauldeweyn? Gascogne? Lheritier? Maillard? Appenzeller? Johannes Lupi?
