To fans of poseurcore, I have a questions for you: WHY do you like it?
If your answer is "It has nice textures/atmosphere" or "I just like it, I guess", you don't actually know what you're talking about and have the musical intelligence if your average Top 40 listener.
Oh my god fuck off
I just like it, I guess
it's stimulating and engaging. it is interesting to hear new or maybe somewhat innovative or different ideas in music. i am simply exploring music i haven't yet heard.
2016/2016 best meme of the year
the sounds that poseurcore makes tickles my eardrums in a nice way
>>63421141
If you're talking about that album in particular
>tasteful and varied use of minimalism and repetition
>brilliant sense of dynamics and pacing
>melody/harmony is superbly done, especially with the sparse instrumentation
>all of the melodic and thematic ideas are well placed
Not much to it besides that
I just like it, I guess
>>63421141
OP, you're what's wrong with /mu/
The instrumentations keep building an intricate atmosphere who sets us into a great anxious state of mind (and yet we keep wondering why its so beautiful). Hollis vocals just add some much humanity and fragility into the compositions I cant even handle, meanwhile the
stunning distorted and painful guitars dance with the mellow trumpeter in a cosmic sense.
By the end of it, it all comes down to a heavenly conclusion that transcends every bit of humanity you may have and puts you in contact with your inner self and find you the answers your have always looking for.
>That's only track 1
>>63421223
this
>>63421170
this
>>63421203
also this. If you're having trouble to understand why someone likes a specific album it would help if you posted it instead of throwing random reasons.
>>63421223
Incorrect. Morons who pretend to understand music beyond the entry level are the worst thing to happen to music.
>>63421141
>'musical intelligence'
>>63421141
It sounds good
>>63421295
This is definitely bait. No one is this dense and self-centered.
>>63421223
Hear hear
>would rather be surrounded by plebs than patricians
This is what's wrong with neo-/mu/.
Poptimism, memerap, and waifu generals weren't an issue six or seven years ago when there was accountability for good taste.
>>63421141
Stop this. Why do you have to do this? Are you insecure about not enjoying albums that other people love so you have to call them posers for liking it? Laughing Stock is one of the most beautiful albums ever made. What albums are you going to victimize next? Close to the Edge? You don't have to like everything, but stop taking amazing albums and calling the people who like them posers. It's like you keep on getting more and more aggressive. What's your problem?
This is the worst meme because now I can't say I don't really like this album without some counter memer getting on my dick.
>>63421141
wtf is poseurcore?
>>63421450
Are you a poseur? If you like any (ANY) of the following artists:
>Merzbow, Boredoms, Gerogerigegege, Coil, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Nurse with Wound, Einstürzende Neubauten, Death in June, Current 93, La Monte Young, Moondog, Lou Harrison, Henry Cowell, Luigi Russolo, Popol Vuh, Fishmans, Jean Jacques Perrey, Les Rallizes Dénudés, Rainbow Caroliner, Taj Mahal Travellers, Fushitsusha, Peter Brötzmann, John Cage, Scott Walker, Unwound, Frank Zappa, Morton Feldman, Captain Beefheart, Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Arnold Schoenberg, Pierre Boulez, György Ligeti, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282. Raymond Scott, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Terry Riley, Peter Sotos, Boyd Rice, Henry Flynt, Kazumoto Endo, David Tudor, Half Japanese,Secret Chiefs 3, Keiji Haino, Ramleh, Otomo Yoshihide, John Zorn, Joe Meek, Faxed Head, Harry Partch, Wesley Willis, Fred Frith, The Residents, Sun Ra, Sun City Girls, Hans Krusi, Royal Trux, Jandek, Loren Mazzacane Connors, The Dead C, Comus, Cromagnon, Eliane Radigue. The Red Krayola, Opus Avantra, Pan.Thy.Monium., Murmuüre, Gong, cLOUDDEAD, the list goes on and on!
You are a poseur.
>everyone I know says they hate post rock because its so slow and repetitive
>somehow liking this album means Im just like them
hmmmmmm
>>63421223
Preach
>being so insecure about you are taste in music that anything you don't like has to be only liked ironically
you sound like my brothers desu
>tfw no one to talk to irl about noise rock and jazz
>>63421450
Albums you're not allowed to like.
>>63421483
This might just be the worst meme on this board so far. Congratiolations.
>>63421141
Tension
Balance
Pacing
Dynamics
Silence
Nature
Machinery
Juxtaposition
Non traditional song writing
Mythological recording process
Profound poetic lyrics (Cain in number)
The most perfectly engineered production and innovative recording techniques.
Creative use of timbre (muh squealing harmonica)
The build
The build
The growing tension
The anticipation
The flood (broken levy swell engulfing)
The wrath
Death
Fury
In meekness up we look seeking answers finding
Searching
Groping tearful
Nothing?
Nothing...
Nothing.
>>63421156
beans
>Poseurcore
You should get into fuckinghangyourselfcore
>>63421335
lol 6 years ago /mu/ loved devin townsend, the protomen, girl talk and andrew jackson jihad
>>63421555
>lain
>noise rock and jazz
i'll b your friend post rym/lastfm
Your gf is ugly, we get it Montie.
>>63421141
>Laughing Stock is poseurcore
Literally what the actual fuck is going on with this meme. Is 'poseurcore' anytihng you dislike, now?
>>63421141
Shut up faggot, why would anyone even try to explain their love for musical aesthetics
>>63421203
>>63421231
>buzzwords, buzzwords, buzzwords
Typical /daily//RYM/ cancer, you pretend to like "experimental" music but you don't know what makes it experimental in first place.
>>63421141
You shouldn't have picked such a flawless album to make that point with
>Calling one of the greatest albums of all time poseurcore.
Cool spelling of poser though.
>>63422582
>laughing stock
>experimental
I mean, what do you want besides that? Unless you delve explicitly into music theory and analyze it (which I can do but it'd take much too long), there's not much you can say about an album that isn't subjective and arbitrary as hell
>>63422582
The first post used musical terms, not buzzwords you fucking faggot. The only way to describe it absent musical terminology would be to write in the abstract, which is what the second poster did, and yet you called those buzzwords as well. What's left? Binary? Interpretive dance?
The most ridiculous thing about this thread is that Laughing Stock is hardly 'challenging' or obscure, and is barely experimental. It's perfectly pleasant to listen to.
>>63422629
> (which I can do but it'd take much too long
Haha, sure. Just so you know, calling something "sparse" or "minimal" is not considered an analysis.
You only pretend to like the album because other people tell you to.
>>63422718
But 'sparse' is a perfectly adequate way to describe arrangements in which the notes are spaced at wide intervals. If you're saying someone doesn't mean what they say just because they use common words, well that's just fucking retarded.
>>63422718
are you really implying people only like this album because they're expected to?
>>63422718
The jig is up guys, we've been rumbled. I guess we can all pretend to stop liking music altogether now?
>>63421223
Basically. They're unable to compare in well... other categories so they make up by effectively making the enjoyment of music a contest and shunning what got them into music in the first place. I know some of these guys are just baiting but I wouldn't past people to 100% believe in this self-defeating rhetoric. It's much like a high school clique in a way.
>>63422704
Praising the "dynamics" or "pacing" of something is worthless if you don't explain what's so great about it. That's what no poser/RYMdrone//daily/poster is able to do, explain why something is good or bad.
>The most ridiculous thing about this thread is that Laughing Stock is hardly 'challenging' or obscure, and is barely experimental. It's perfectly pleasant to listen to.
That's what posers always say when people call them out on their inability do analyze music. "lol it's not THAT experimental dood ur rly stupid if u dont get this"
>>63422759
>But 'sparse' is a perfectly adequate way to describe arrangements in which the notes are spaced at wide intervals.
Then just write out what's so "sparse" about it instead of using a buzzword to describe it.
>>63422763
Yes, some pretentious hipster probably pretended to like it back in 1991 because Talk Talk's earlier stuff was too popular for him and everyone else parroted what he said.
>>63421141
Thanks for enlightening me, OP. I promise that I will only listen to Kendrick Lamar, Grimes and Tame Impala now.
>>63422833
>Then just write out what's so "sparse" about it instead of using a buzzword to describe it.
What buzzword did he use?
>>63422833
>some pretentious hipster probably pretended to like it back in 1991 because Talk Talk's earlier stuff was too popular for him and everyone else parroted what he said
oh my god this is the weakest bait i have ever seen in my life it hurts it hurts no oh god no
>>63422866
Sparse
This is how it's supposed to be written:
>The notes are spaced at wide intervals
This is how posers write it:
>it's sparse
>>63422898
>BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT XDD
Found the poser
>>63422908
>needs everyone to be a walking dictionary for him
>>63421223
Word up
>>63422908
And what's your argument against Laughing Stock?
>>63422833
put your trip back on montie we don't like you either way
>>63422944
>I CANT EXPLAIN ANYTHING IN MY REVIEW I DONT WANT SOME FILTHY PLEB TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M WRITING
Typical pretentious poser
>>63422833
You would have a similarly hard time explaining why you dislike it or think it's bad. The whole anti-poseur attitude is based on nothing logical or objective, it's purely argument from incredulity.
>I don't like it so how can anyone else like it
Ultimately no one owes you an explanation for why they like something, if they can't put it into words that satisfy you then tough luck, that doesn't degrade or devalue their enjoyment of the music.
>>63422908
But parsimonious and concise writing is the best writing. George Orwell hated people like you.
>>63423017
Nice argument.
>Super accessible P4Kcore album is poseur
>>63423053
Even weaker than the OP.
Just want to give a shout out to the incredible lyrics on Laughing Stock. Mark Hollis is the most poetic lyricist of all time.
>>63422928
Just give it up. You're found out. Say gg and move on. 6/10. Nice use of greentexts and using /mu/'s language against them was a great move. But you sort of fell apart on the buzzwords topic. Next time try and focus on more weak parts of their arguments, that way you can get them off their point more easily.
>>63423017
If you need someone to spell out what sparse means for you, you're the one lacking in musical knowledge, not the people you're criticising.
You cannot expect people to write out the definition explicitly for every word they write, because that's what we have words for.
>>63423073
P4K gave it a 10/10, anon. It is one of RYM's top 100 albums.
>>63423073
He's right though, it is perfectly accessible. Do you find it hard to listen to?
>>63422978
They're just playing the same thing over and over again but they're doing nothing for a minute before they start again. Posers actually think that this is experimental.
>>63422979
It's funny because literally everyone in your /daily/ circlejerk is a tripfag. They actually think they need a name because people want to read their shitty Fantano-lite reviews.
>>63423022
>Why do you like this album?
>FUCK YOU I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING
I guess "it's so experimental :DD" or "lol i just like it" wasn't edgy enough for you.
>>63423098
see >>63423017
>>63423100
So what? There is a certain circle of people that frequent RYM that are not even remotely close to your average music listener. It's the same saying that serialism is perfectly accessible just because it has a high average score on RYM.
>>63423109
Where did I say I found it hard to listen to? It's perfectly accessible for people who are already a bit deeper into music. It's like you've never had a conversation about music in real life. /mu/ is not the whole world.
>>63421203
>melody/harmony is superbly done
>all of the melodic and thematic ideas are well placed
how so? how do you know they are fine and not wrong/bad
>>63423226
What are you trying to prove with this?
>>63423226
Your attempts to objectively quantify the aesthetic qualities of music are futile and meaningless. Cease this action immediately.
>>63421141
>>63421295
>>63421335
>>63421450
>>63422582
>>63422718
>>63422833
>>63422908
>>63423142
>GUYS YOURE LISTENING TO MUSIC WRONG, LISTEN LIKE I LISTEN
fuck off
>>63423142
They DID explain it to you, you just declared that their explanation was invalid because they used cliched terms. I'm saying they don't owe you an explanation which satisfies your stupid demands regarding what language is and isn't satisfactory.
This entire conversation is moot anyway, because you outed yourself as a retard:
>They're just playing the same thing over and over again but they're doing nothing for a minute before they start again.
>>63423197
I didn't say you did, I was just asking you for your opinion. Calm down, man.
>>63422582
Wow, nice bait ,anon ! To keep insulting others over and over and over and over, so your thread at the top. Keep practicing, and you become great baitanon !
>>63423341
>I didn't say you did, I was just asking you for your opinion. Calm down, man.
I'm just saying that he's wrong about the accessibility. He's describing Laughing Stock like he has never even listened to it.
>>63423226
I bet you're the kind of faggot who thinks knowing music theory would help someone understand free improvisation or something haha
>>63422582
I like this album unironically. Is that what's you want to hear ?
>>63423142
>Lambastes people for their review of the album
>Provides the most shallow and reductive one-sentence review of all time
shiggy
>>63423404
It would a little.
>>63421141
It's fun and calming. And i uronically think that is fun. If that's not enough for you, mr. erudite critic anon, you are obviously troll.
The poseurs can't stay here forever. We will chase them out like the rats they are. Together we will make /mu/ great again.
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63423404
I bet you're the kind of faggot that thinks he can do noise/ambient/free improv because you don't know any musical theory and just have to "fuck around"
>>63423581
cringe
>>63423654
Poseur
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63423581
How ? Talking about other hipster garbage ? Like Grimes, Radiohead ? Or even worse ? How the fuck you organise it ? Can you explain it without insult ?
what is the pose? like, that term is straight from the '90s it doesn't apply to the internet generation at all
>>63421141
Why are people memeing this album
I never thought I'd see the day
>>63423643
This. Nowadays everyone thinks they can make music with their laptop and some shitty DAW.
>>63423643
Music simply isn't art, it's just a worthless hobby. Learning music theory is worthless when time can be better spent on science and philosophy.
>>63423734
They got bored memeing Long Season.
>>63423682
Hello ? Can you explain me >>63423710
?
>>63423755
So what are you doing here then?
>>63423682
Hello ? Can you explain me >>63423710
>>63423682
Hello ? Can you explain me >>63423710
>>63423755
>science
>philosophy
only one of these will earn you a career
>>63423790
I am here to eradicate the elitism and obsession with image and status associated with music. People take this dumb hobby far too seriously.
-The Anti-Music League
>>63423786
Our mission is simple. We want to end the pathetic competition for "good" taste on /mu/ that the nu-males on /daily/ created. Music should be for fun, not for showing off. Enjoy music for music. Poseurs will hang.
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63423682
Hello ? Can you explain me >>63423710
>>63423869
You're wrong. You're a shitposting NEET who is on the verge of killing himself.
>>63423885
You literally just described Reddit. I advise you go to /r/letstalkmusic or /r/music (there's minimum amount of """"""poseur-core""""" so you'll fit right in) instead of further shitting up this board. Cheers
>>63423988
Is our vision scary to you, poseur?
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63424077
No, it isn't.
>>63424077
>Our vision is to exclusively discuss universally acclaimed, accessible albums
>All music that isn't formulaic, immediate or accessible should not be discussed
How is this visionary again?
>>63423885
But don't you think that "avant-teens" or whatever have fun with music TOO ? Are you taking seriously your movement ? Why destruction of something is only good choice ?
>>63424077
Kill yourself, NEET faggot.
>>63424127
The anti-poseurcore movement is what /mu/ needs. Music should always be seen on one field. We need less elitism not more.
Why? It creates discussion.
There is no such thing as entry-level and such, only good and bad albums that are subjective. People need to stop acting like /mu/core and well known and well liked indie albums are somehow bad because a lot of people like and respect them. That shows insecurity with your own taste.
That being said, go exploring, go like whatever music you want to like, but don't rub it in the face of others that you have different taste. Talk about it with them, say "hey I found this cool album if you like _______ you should check it out".
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63424199
You are literally going out of your way to hinder discussion of music by limiting what should be discussed and the language that is allowed to be used to discuss it. How can you justify your actions to yourself?
>>63424266
If you don't like it then I suggest to leave /mu/ right now and never comeback
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63424199
You want to promote discussion yet every time something you subjectively consider "poseur-core" is posted you immediately disregard it, to counter the times memesters disregard popular albums every time they're posted? I see your point and somewhat agree with it, but your methods aren't very good.
Also, what this boards REALLY needs is to stop with the fucking post-ironic memes. Shit like Jason Aldean, Aaron, Montie, redundant threads (What did he mean by this?), memeing on whatever is getting attention in the moment, shit like that only serves to avoid discussion.
>>63424199
Don't you think that guys, what
> rub it in the face of others that you have different taste
is trolls or stupid ironic posters ? This is not Reddit, or Youtube, this is snobbistic 4chan ! Your methods is just insulting to another anons. This is childish way. Can you try creating new threads or write good essay, why snobism is bad. Your ways are stupid, desu.
>>63424316
Nice response, haha! Oh man I can't BELIEVE how rekt I got XD
>>63424199
Answer me on that >>63424333
>>63424199
Answer on >>63424333
>>63421800
I don't know why you melons are all still arguing about this shit when sideways 8 already gave you some slam poetry explaining the album's beauty.
Also he appears to have given a film recommendation.
What did he mean by this?
Could it be that the essence of the sublime captured in the late seascapes of the madding Turner is that same sublimity that Mark so precariously bottled into LS.
Look at the painting. Listen to the music. Sparse. Sublime. Ascension Day.
Deluge.
You blithering nonces just about missed the best post ITT
>>63423847
Not the poster that you are responding to, but the average philosophy graduate makes 81,000 a year
>>63424485
We try to discover that he is a bait-anon or bait-anon ?
>>63424422
>>63424476
we're not taking anymore questions for today
-The Anti-Poseur League
I mean...
>>63421203
this guy is just describing the sound he hears and using that has a reason to why he likes the album. Ofc it is, you need to explain why you like that kind of sound and explain its merits.
>>63421231
this is better in that sense, but fails to describe as well as the other anon and uses empty expressions like "I cant even handle"
/mu/ in general doesn't know how to talk about albums so it's normal I guess senpai
>>63421141
I just like it, I guess, because it has nice textures/atmosphere
>>63424556
Why you afraid to answer? I'm not insulting you, i'm just curious. Are you honest with yourself. Answer me or I'm not believe your movement.
>>63424556
Answer now. >>63424647
>>63424556
>>63424077
>we
The "anti-poseur movement" amounts to this opinion:
>I don't like the /daily/ thread
Who cares. I don't like the k-pop threads. Just hide it or ignore it. God forbid you'd have to look at the thumbnail for the /daily/ thread every once in a while.
This is just an excuse for yet one more iteration of "my taste is superior". Why not just say that instead of pretending like there's a problem with posers.
>>63424610
That is ridiculous. Why don't you show us a hypothetical example of what a good opinion would look like. Take for example:
>The melodies are superbly done
What could/should he have said?
>>63424610
>you need to explain why you like that kind of sound and explain its merits.
i bet you can't do this for your favorite piece of music
>>63424556
Respond >>63424647
>>63424768
like bruh trust us we gonna make /mu/ great again
-The Anti-Poseur League
>>63424610
Why don't you take a favourite album of yours, pick a 'kind of sound' and tell us in concrete terms why you like it.
>>63424815
This is not answer to my question. Make something great is cool, but is insulting is good way ? Why you make yourself a disrespect person ? Could you show your plan to "anti-poseur movement" ? BLAND RESPONSES IS NOT GOOD WAY TO INTRODUCING YOUR MOVEMENT.
>>63424199
Need some of this?
Please stop using that term. people just listen to what they love and enjoy. the fact they love something you don't like doesn't mean they are "poseurs".
Yes, people genuinely love experimental music and unusual things, and they genuinely enjoy it immensely.
And by the way, Laughing Stock is an utterly beautiful album, with an incredibly surreal atmosphere. it's a masterpiece
>>63424556
Respond immediately or you will not be living on it tonight >>63424647
>>63424945
>falling this hard for memes
jesus christ
>>63424965
Irony is the cancer that is killing /mu/. Whatever happened to true sincerity?
>>63425071
Sincerity is fucking dead
Very little humanity on this board anymore
>>63424965
I know that sound autistically, but because i love "poseur" /mu/. It's like Hell, compare to peacefully heaven of Reddit. And some ''meme machine" shit in /mu/ instead of good ideas. What we missing ? And why we won't change this ? Because it's already perfect. Anons create today /mu/, not /mu/ himself.
look at this egg
>people actually fell for this 3/10 bait
>>63424836
>>63424767
>>63424755
hm okay, let's see. I really don't see why you're daring me to do it, like it's that difficult. That's not even a good rebuttal btw, the whole "urr durr then do better urself"
so let's see. let's take sufjan's carrie & lowell. everybody compared it to a return to the seven swans age with its acoustic style, but that's waaay off. C&L is almost the opposite since its nature is way more intimate than the grandeur of 7Swans. what I like about the album is how after all this time of hearing suf telling stories through other people, clearing states and using towns and religious stories as moulds to build his own personal emotions upon, he now clearly uses his own experience as the source and this rawness adds even more to each song's impact. Adding to that, sufjans usual storytelling is as moving as ever with his dialogue with mom in The Only Thing where his mastery of aliterations and melodies between verses shows and melts you with those nicknames they gave eachother like "little versailles", finishing with the poignant "we're all gonna die" which is sang and repeated like sufjan understands the stupid obviousness of what her mother is telling him and it guts him even more. The solemn atmosphere that he builds there with the rising synths towards the end and the repeating low piano notes is another showing of his masterful ability to complement his stories and emotions with instrumentation.
I don't know how cohesive this was, but I kinda just wrote. might also be too late for you to read it hehhh
>>63421555
Jazz is good but it is not even remotely similar to noise rock, so you are a contrarian
>>63425277
dude what the fuck are you saying ahhahaha
>>63426660
>sense
>your post
pick one
>>63425751
/mu/ is full of stupid people
who would've thought?
>140 replies
for this? really /mu/?
>musical intelligence
>>63426393
>let's take sufjan's carrie & lowell.
>>63422582
>he actually this much of a pleb he thinks laughing stock is experimental
lawd
>>63428113
>he doesn't know what experimental means
>cackling_sluts.webm
>>63423643
How can any understanding of music theory ever be applied in any way to noise music you fucking dolt?
>>63421141
What do you like? The Beatles and the Flaming Lips?
*I enjoy those bands too, but still, Laughing Stock is perfection and my second favorite album ever made.
I'm getting tired of these /tv/ tier threads
>>63428836
Is that a joke?
