where are the punks of /mu/?
>>63354933
>where are the punks of /mu/?
doing their homework for tomorrow or eating with mom and dad
Nobody on /mu/ was alive during the punk scene, why even ask this question?
nu-punk checking in
>>63355124
you can listen to the music living after the punk scene dude
punk threads on mu are terrible. same old poorly aged "classics" EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Nobody knows jack shit about modern punk music, has any actual involvement in any scene, or has ever been to a real punk show. Shit's atrocious.
>>63355124
>during the punk scene
it didn't just stop being a thing after 1985 you fucking retard
punk music is my life. anti-flag, against me!, descendants, rock against bush vol. 1 and 2, the list goes on...
>>63355320
That's true, it stopped after '79.
>>63355401
No.
also despite what Rolling Stone would tell you, The Clash is boring dadrock pap and isn't even a punk band, Sex Pistols are trash, and The Ramones milquetoast mid-temop powerpop with a catatonic frontman.
oh yeah and Rollins black flag was fucking worthless.
>>63355401
also I was at a punk show in a basement last night
this is what I meant when I said mu has no connection whatsoever to any punk scene. Everyone here has a relationship with music that begins and ends with the internet.
lmao rip opie
Anyone got more music like these bands; The Gories, Thee headcoats, the cramps, oblivions?
Obviously I've always dug the classics but I've been trying to get into some of the lesser known punk staples.
>>63356052
Coachwhips
Karate Party
The Traps
awesome proto-punk with vocals by an old professional wrestler, and guitar work from Greg Sage who would later go onto form the wipers and do awesome solo stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLQZspS4MY&index=68&list=PLmBUyvTAInEWETmQU0SASqxGzP-IvvCsU
>>63356077
oh also Mayyors and Reatards
>>63356147
fuck and Thee Hydrogen Terrors
Sham 69 anyone?
Punk is dead.
>>63356230
WEEEEEEERE GOIN DAHN THE PAAAAB
>>63355465
This is the worst post I've ever seen on /mu/
anybody else like death grips
>>63356329
like it or not cypberpunk like Death Grips is the only interesting music in punk now.
Fugazi
>>63356319
nah your average punk thread op and first few responses are worse
>>63356440
So why does this happen? Is this a condemnation of punk rock fans? Why do they get their panties in a Moebius knot over the biggest trivialities, like genre-labeling?
Are they just not very smart?
>>63355320
>Nobody knows jack shit about modern punk music, has any actual involvement in any scene, or has ever been to a real punk show. Shit's atrocious
are you this young or am i this old?
>>63354933
Lurking and quietly judging this board's terrible taste in music
>>63356493
because nobody on mu is actually involved in punk music and their knowledge only goes as far as the biggest "classic" bands.
does anyone like the Cramps?
I saw NomeansNo live 3 years ago and they blew my mind.
crustie here to save this thread. PRAISE THE CYBER GOD!!!
>>63356743
>>63356901
love both
Pleb here.
1. Devo
2. Dead Boys
3. Bad Brains
4. Jah Wobble
5. Marc Bolan's raped carcass
4.
say what you want, old AFI rules https://youtu.be/i60NxuQ5DKE
post em faggots. i didn't include my war cuz it's in the op but that's up there for me as well
Where do I start with New York Hardcore?
>>63357513
boston hardcore is better
>>63357500
if you link the site i will
too lazy
>>63357500
Good taste, I don't know how to make one, so I'll just list them
>Capitalist Casualties - Disassembly Line
>Crass - Stations of the Crass
>Faith/Void Split
>The Cramps - Psychedelic Jungle
>Secret Hate - Vegetables Dancing
>Poison Idea - Pick Your King
>>>63357513
Agnostic Front - Victim in Pain
>>63356319
It's an amalgamation of a lot of very common, not-very-controversial-at-all beliefs in punk.
I agree on Sex Pistols and Clash. I agree on Ramones, but that doesn't mean they're not good.
I like Rollins black flag.
>>63357513
suicide
>>63356598
MIZURDYYYYYYYYY
Sup /mu/
>>63357513
cro-mags - age of quarrel
judge - bringin it down
probably some madball or agnostic front or leeway or some terrible shit like that
But don't take my word for it, I'm not a fan of that stuff. Even being from NY, I generally hate the old NYHC bands, aside from Youth of Today (all their albums are great) and Gorilla Biscuits.
I generally agree with
>>63357598
>>63357500
>>63357625
>>63357660
http://collage.topsters.net/
>>63357660
>The Cramps - Psychedelic Jungle
my nigga. ive always preferred that one over their debut, although they're both great
>>63357500
confirmed for good taste
>>63357500
Whats the album on the bottom right?
>>63358134
meat puppets - II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IenJY0QWIJE
>>63358214
Thanks mate
>>63358791
no problemo
>>63355302
>punk
>>63359699
you're L8 to the b8
>>63355124
My mum was, does that count?
One of my teachers in highschoon used to be New Romantic.
>>63357500
I actually prefer modern punk. Or rather, modern bands playing hardcore in the style of the '80s.
>>63357500
Blowin Chunks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generic
>>63356052
Cheater Slicks
>>63359939
they're both good
Titus Andronicus is my favorite band, listened to the Future Shape of Punk for the first time and it's GOAT, Fun House is still pretty damn great and I watched a guy get stabbed day downtown
>>63359853
idk any of these other than orchid which isnt even punk
this is the only good punk album ever made, I fucking dare you to prove me wrong.
>>63357682
But if the Sex Pistols are "trash", how are they good? I actually do like the Sex Pistols by the way. Listened to Never Mind The Bollocks from beginning to end for the first time recently and it really does deserve the praise it gets.
>>63361941
This is a good and influential album. /mu/ can bitch about it all they want about it but it's true.
>>63360916
I discovered this band called Krimewatch recently. They currently only have one album and it's a demo album so it's pretty short (only five tracks). Here's their bandcamp page:
https://krimewatch.bandcamp.com/releases
Really like the bass line on the first track 小便 たれ.
>>63361004
Subgenre
/mu/, suggest me some noise punk like this. Japanese bands are preferred.
I'm definitely not a punk, but I do love me some Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Flipper, and Germs.
>>63357500
Generic is A+. Love is bomb as well.
>>63355497
>also I was at a punk show in a basement last night
Well I played a punk show in a basement last night.
Loser.
>>63355465
lol why do punks have such shit taste in punk music? is it their childish faux-rebellion that causes them to lash out against the good, but popular bands in the genre? maybe narrow-minded insistence on following the punk formula plays a role in the bashing of more ambitious groups like the clash and rollins era black flag. either way, most punks are fags.
So can Partytime by 45 Grave really be considered punk rock? It really doesn't sound that punk rockish to me. Yet according to its Wikipedia page it is.
Link to song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep14nXS9UhU
Also Zombie Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ly4611uL6Q
>>63355124
You're wrong. I was. I was alive and listening to punk since 1976. I don't care what you think of me. Yeah, I'm old enough to be one of your fucking grandparents. So fucking what? I've got respect for all the "Classic" punk bands, and am always eager to check out new bands. I'm gonna keep on listening to punk til the day I die.
The Suicide Commandos Make a Record
>>63361004
>screamo isn't punk
amd we're right back at what I was saying earlier about mu being full of retards who know absolutely nothing about punk music.
>>63357682
nobody on this board actually knows anything about punk or has ever been involved in it to any extent (idk if I've ever typed any sentence as much as that one good god), and their knowledge of it begins and ends with wikipedia and lists from establishment/safe rock journalists. As such, these incredibly common (hell some of em are practically universally agreed upon) opinions are seen as "blasphemy" to the classics-worshipping apes on /mu/.
>>63362871
Plenty of popular bands are great, but the ones the idiot 14 year olds just getting into the genre latch onto are mostly awful. Plenty of shit that goes against the grain of punk and gets praise, but the Clash fucking weren't a punk band, and Rollins Black Flag was just masturbatory cringeworthy garbage with horrible vocals and songwriting
>>63363510
>implying the universal agreement of teenage punks whose knowledge of music is limited to their 'scene' means anything
>>63363566
if you can't dig nevermind the bollocks or london calling you have shit taste, period. i'm not calling them the greatest albums ever, or even the greatest punk albums, but i'm tired of faggot trupunx trying to prove their credibility by shitting on great music. also if you don't consider the clash punk you simply don't understand how genres work.
yeah mu doesnt have a lot/any good punk threads. i usually just stay in emo threads and hope i can discuss screamo and post hardcore things with someone
posting good punk bands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv5ZFuiGiXQ
>>63364346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1e2gEmWE54
>>63364360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0w40EtMDA
>>63362158
True, but it's just New York Dolls pastiche, and the NYD did it better
Here's some anarcho-folk punk for you guys.
https://youtu.be/TRS9Bz0IH54
>>63364373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IJrWu3CNvo
>>63364386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsRKpov9kE
>>63363578
I didn't say one's local scene is the extent of punk music, but it will expose you to a fuck of a lot more than shitty-ass lists of the same boring shit
>>63363616
London Calling is not a punk record and is pretty fucking boring, Nevermind The Bollocks is straight up fucking garbage and literally nobody over the age of 13 likes that awful band.
>>63364406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AwhcOcscRw
>>63364438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUDSyJ8oMI
>>63364420
>London Calling is not a punk record
Sure, if you want to redefine the fucking word, which seems to be what all self-identified "punks" or "punk fans" insist on.
But you're wrong. Words matter.
>>63364406
this shit is cringeworthy af
>>63364466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdyfrQhJRLQ
>>63364468
nobody but retarded music journalists and the idiots who lap their shit up think the clash is a punk band
>>63364477
you're an idiot
>>63364488
In other words, the people commenting on the matter from the very beginning.
>>63364485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9JXxfPOAqw
>>63364488
In their defense, their first album was a big influence ono the punk scene, and it's alright
>>63364518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bfoSVUPuQ
>>63364516
In other words, the people that have nothing to do with the music and could be seen as the very antithesis of its ethos. Not to mention punk became DEEPLY rooted in DIY ethos and culture almost immediately following those tepid first few years while music journos comtinued to cling to those manufactured bands that were never good to begin with. The Ramones are the only ones whi weren't trendy fakes, and even then their music is boring crap. Nothing I'm saying is uncommon at all, you just know jack fucking shit about punk.
>>63364526
In their defense, you guys are idiots. The "punk" scene was a term used initially to comprise the CBGB punk bands and UK punk bands influenced by the Ramones.
Words mean things.
>>63364564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hewehdywdaA
>>63364572
>makes nothing but unpopular value judgments
>"Nothing I'm saying is uncommon at all"
GTFO
>>63364573
Look at you, maintaining a definition of punk that suits your purposes, just like everyone else
>>63364488
you LITERALLY don't understand how genres work. please educate yourself before posting on /mu/
>>63364608
What are my "purposes," you fucking idiot? Historical accuracy? Aye, got me there.
>>63364584
boy it's like you've never actually been to a punk show
>>63364573
words mean things and you seem to have this highly-autistic impression that they can only mean the very first thing they were defined as and can only be used in a historical context even though the culture spawned around the ideas said word defines has continued to evolve and thrive
>punk thread
>ctrl+f "descendents"
>one instance and it's spelled incorrectly
/mu/, you're better than this.
>>63364488
people who consider the clash punk
>professional journalists and amateur connoisseurs who dedicate their time to understanding and appreciating as much about music as possible
people who don't
>teenagers who think denim vests with local band patches constitute a revolution, are concerned more with 'punk authenticity' than aesthetics, and whose understanding of music is limited to a particular scene or style
hmm i know who i'm siding with
>>63364618
1) genres are not rigidly defined, strict rules
2) The only Clash album that can be considered punk in any sense is their first, and even then it's mediocre at best. The Sex Pistols straight up were not a punk band, plain and simple. They were a completely standard manufactured rock outfit with an edgy image.
>>63364629
>words mean things and you seem to have this highly-autistic impression that they can only mean the very first thing they were defined as
I never indicated that, dumbass. You're the one making yourself the arbiter of the meaning of the word, whereas I'm deferring to actual historical facts.
What you're arguing is like me saying, "Wagner didn't make romantic music! 'Romantic' means 'having to do with love and courtship!'"
>The Clash aren't a punk band in my arbitrary definition of the word! The word has evolved and means whatever nebulous bullshit I want it to!
At least that would have been honest.
>>63364656
The cognitive dissonance here is absolutely astounding.
>>63364656
who have 10 seconds to submit a reasonable definition of "punk" that precludes the sex pistols or the clash
>>63364488
>the clash
>not punk
Do delude yourself into enjoying Skrewdriver, too?
>>63364662
lol this pleb punk babby has probably never even heard of wagner or romanticism
>>63364646
so
>the people who actually make and support punk music (very rarely kids below college age at youngest btw, usually older) vs people who don't support (and never have/will) punk music in any meaningful way and only know what they've read, keeping an arm's length at all times
For comparison, imagine two people discussing a movie. One has not only seen the film multiple times and studied it, as well as other works from the people involved, but even has film making experience to back up their opinions and help further appreciate it; the other read a brief synopsis of the movie before going to see it once, then spent half of it on their phone and barely paid attention beyond the absolute basic surface details of the plot. The latter is arguing that they are more knowledgable about the movie because they believe they've gotten everything they possibly can out of it, even though the former knows this to be factually, empirically false, and any attempts to refute the claims of the retard are met with "no there's nothing more to it than what i know". You are the retard arguing about something you don't actually know anything about.
>>63364737
>>63364737
what a moronic analogy. a more apt one would be someone who has seen hundreds of horror films but little else vs someone with a solid grounding in horror with an extensive knowledge of cinematic history and theory whose taste spans styles and movements arguing about the the genre. while the former has more thoroughly immersed themselves in horror, they are constrained by their lack of knowledge elsewhere. the latter has a larger and more informed frame of reference, and thus a more intelligent opinion.
good punk threads don't exist on this board
sometimes they can be decent if it's a screamo or noise rock thread
make noise not music!
>>63356433
>Fugazi
Repeater is fire.
why hasn't this been posted yet?
>>63355401
Lot of edgy opinions ITT, but yeah, I agree.
The first wave is the only significant wave, to me at least. Everything else is regurgitated, or it can't really be easily grouped with the first wave stylistically.
Big Black for example.
>>63359699
It's pop punk/metalcore
ADTR is still better than hipster shit like Pissed Jeans or White Lung though.
>>63365951
Anything is better than White Lung.
I always want to start hardcore threads on /mu/, but all people ever post is the same 3 D.C. hardcore bands from the early 80's, it gets old real fucking fast. If you post one band that has breakdowns in their music, all the tr00 punx just get their mohawks in a knot and get so butthurt.
>>63357513
Gorilla Biscuits are probably the best 80's band, alongside Sick Of It All and Cro-Mags.
I personally love the 90's bands like Madball and Leeway, but if you hate metal then you probably won't be too into them since they have a strong metal influence.
>>63359910
You'd really like Angel Du$t I bet.
crass is the best punk band
>>63356700
Not even you loser
>>63366050
Crass is garbage for edgy teenagers in denim vests
>>63354933
I am listening to this album at the moment actually. And yeah, I'm at home if you were interested.
>>63361973
Sorry, I meant to say I like the Ramones even though they're
>milquetoast mid-temop powerpop with a catatonic frontman
I don't care for SP, but whatever floats your boat!
>>63361941
>>63365951
kys
>>63356700
I have been to local punk shows, people's basements and unused buildings we broke into... I haven't in a while but I used to.
>>63367743
Homesick > any "punk" album that's gotten a BNM from Pitchfork within the past 10 years
>>63367941
Viet Cong and Iceage are awful, but White Lung are decent
Crust punk is best punk.
J-crust is best crust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXJ5qJ80FYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=416eNXnR6FY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGzg3BfkSyg
>>63355465
you're not wrong desu
Not strictly punk, but what should I listen to if this Rites of Spring album is one of my all-time favourites
>>63368221
>crust isn't punk
>>63368221
Back with a Bang is one of the best old school punk songs.
>this punk vs metal rivalry
It's like I'm really in the 80s
>>63368320
kek
is this guy for real?
enlighten me, anon, what is tr00 punk then?
Early 1980's Gun Club, Cramps and X are infectiously fun.
>>63368245
Moss Icon - Lyburnum Wits End Liberation Fly
I'd also recommend The Hated, but their discography is a fucking mess. It's the same issue as with Moss Icon where they had a lot of miscellaneous demos and shit that aren't actually cataloged anywhere. I think the blog "Sophie's Floorboard" has most of The Hated stuff, though.
Still the best punk album of all time
>all this hostile shitposting and sperging over genres
I thought punk was about being open minded.
You guys lack that PMA...
>>63368404
this is one of those poserpunk albums for indie kids who don't know anything about punk
zen arcade and double nickels on the dime are the same thing
i bet you think iceage and titus andronicus are good too
>>63368443
There's some really fucking stupid rivalry between punk and metal that's been around since the dawn of both genres
Elitists will disown subgenres and fling shit at eachother
top kek the faggot even deleted his posts
this one's for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCfYm-aENww
>>63368469
As a fan is music in general I've never cared for it.
Shows how many people forget about what it's initially about, the music itself...
Punk and metal shows can both be a lot of fun though, luckily I have never met one of these spergs irl, I would get pissed off pretty quickly.
>>63368462
What's the best punk album then
>>63368469
I've seen punkfags completely shit on stuff like grindcore, thrashcore, stenchcore, sludgecore and crust which are all punk subgenres just because a lot of those bands associate themselves with the metal scene, but then I see metalfags embrace those 5 subgenres.
>>63368554
>and crust
seriously? crust punk is probably the best punk sub genre
>>63365846
you're a retard
>>63365951
>>63365971
as are you
>>63365974
I agree this is why hc threads are awful but you have terrible taste as well
>>63367961
Iceage is excellent faggot, show me one band that sounds like their first two records
>>63368462
Holy fuck who cares what people like, at least they appreciate the music.
You're the kind of immature person who constantly moans about what people listen to.
Stop worrying so much about other people on an anonymous music board.
We get that you're insecure and value cred above music but we are simply here to discuss music so fuck off.
>>63368562
It is, but "TROO" punk elitists will completely shit on crust because crust was born from combining hardcore and gritty speed metal like venom
>>63368567
I have to wonder if someone who actually likes Iceage, yet shits on other people's tastes in punk is something exclusive to this board or not. The cognitive dissonance is real.
Soviet Punk is GOAT.
>>63368547
the 2nd dropdead LP, of course
>>63368574
>we are simply here to discuss music
discuss better music then
ideally music you didn't discover on pitchfork's best-of lists and /mu/ chart threads
>>63368462
get the fuck out
>>63368341
there is no punk vs metal rivalry you illiterate retard
there wasn't in the 80s
jesus christ
>>63368462
this is a retarded post informed only by what's popular on mu. all of those barring TA are great and will be openly considered such by just about anyone you ask. The backlash against Iceage by dumbass 80s punk kids on mu is p hilarious though.
>>63368469
again, there's no "punk vs metal" itt or in real life, and you are further showing how little you know about either genre since punk/hc bands are frequently booked with all sorts of metal bands and there is considerable overlap in fanbases and musical styles.
>>63368624
shut up you fucking elitist, go away
>>63368625
eat shit, yuppie brooklyn cunt
>>63368554
as a punk i can safely say that 80% of the "punk" population consists of hypocritical retards, that are gonna shit on everything that they don't like.
whether it's someones fashion style or musical taste, they're gonna find something to bitch about.
>>63368624
>discuss better music
Has is ever occured to you that different people listen/like different music.
>pitchfork
Who cares? I personally don't care for music journalism but if that's what it takes for people to get into music then I really don't see the issue.
Stop acting like a child.
>>63368630
iceage is a glorified boyband, there's more music industry connections and strings being pulled behind their career than you can imagine
>>63368596
/mu/ is the only place where there's any backlash against them from "punks" because there are no actual punks on /mu/ and you stupid faggots think that having a pretty frontman excludes them from le sekrit klub or some shit
>>63368624
dropdead is influential but terrible
>>63368630
There definitely was a rivalry between punk and metal in the 80s, and today there's still a rivalry between hardcore elitists in both genres.
In the 80s punks used to say metal was unoriginal in the sense that a lot of early black and death metal was just crust and stenchcore with different names. Which was the truth since punk was largely original throughout the 80s whereas the extreme metal subgenres just scavenged what punk was already doing years before.
Now it's just bickering between elitists who cry "This is not really punk, it's metal!" or "This is not really metal, it's punk!"
>>63368676
>that a lot of early black and death metal was just crust and stenchcore with different names.
Early black metal was literally just lo-fi thrash what the fuck are you talking about
>>63368711
thrash metal comes from thrashcore, too.
You can't tell me that bands like Hellhammer weren't very crusty, Satanic Rites is more of a crust album than it is thrash/first-wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-knE7bSe0
>>63368673
"punks" never listened to iceage in the first place
>dropdead is influential but terrible
you're an idiot, dropdead is the definitive punk band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2N65WkZ5U
>>63368711
Almost the entirety of the lo-fi thrash/first-wave black scene will tell you they were influenced by the crust punk scene.
>70s-90s punk
Nah fuck you 2004
>>63368676
no there fucking isn't you idiot, have you ever left your basement
>>63368667
Iceage literally only "blew up" because the guy who booked 285 kent saw them in denmark and brought them to NYC a few months later. They are on a major indie label and as such I'm sure there is some pr when they put out a record but hardly enough to qualify as "string pulling" or "manufacturing".
And again, show me one band outside of their old scene that sounds like those first two records, and give me one good reason (ie not "singer look pretty they dumb boy band") a band writing music that interesting and unique is bad.
btw the whole "you aren't a REAL PUNK if youbwant to keep food on the table!!!" shit is antiquated as fuck and a belief only held by retarded edgy teenagers. Everyone has and uses some form of connections to do anything in music, even the most diehard of DIY bands are only able to tour and survive because of connections.
>>63368767
punks did and do listen to Iceage, and Dropdead is awful.
>>63368748
seriously dude you're a goddamn moron
>>63368711
first-wave "black" thrash has more in common with thrashcore than it does thrash metal
I find it very appropriate punk threads are filled with the most opinionated and ill-behaved people.
>>63368814
>punks did and do listen to Iceage
>and Dropdead is awful
just one of these two statements would be enough to disqualify your opinions on punk from deserving to be taken seriously
stating both of them is pure overkill
>>63368848
m8 tell that to all the Iceage patches and shit I see at shows
and seriusly people only like Dropdead because they are "supposed to" at this point. They were influential but they're boring as fuck.
>>63368875
where the fuck do you live where iceage are seen as a credible punk band? portland? vancouver? brooklyn?
>they're boring as fuck
in what universe is this boring? it's everything punk should be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lA2FespMtI
Hey guys I've just been getting getting in to punk, where do I go from here
>it's another "crust punks claiming that they invented black metal and death metal" episode
>>63368998
S/T
>>63368945
so you're gonna cling hard to the retarded "credibility" shit huh
>>63369019
no actual crust punks think this, retards reading wikipedia do
>>63369019
>>63369053
>being in this much denial
If you can't see the crust in Hellhammer and early Bathory you're hopeless
>>63369098
it's more that those bands openly acknowledge that they were influenced by early d-beat and hardcore while your stupid ass id over here trying to argue there was some intense rivalry between these two fairly incestuous scenes
>>63355382
>mfw I like those three bands and own some rock against bush
>>63369032
so you do live in one of those places i mentioned, huh?
sorry dude, but the overeducated rich children of 80s yuppies are the last people whose taste in punk i'm gonna look to as a relevant designation of what is and isn't credible
and there really isn't that much to talk about when it comes to iceage's music
the first album was borderline incompetent pastiche of late 70s/early 80s UK shit with no tunes and no character
the second one was a bit more interesting but way too heavy on the worship of early SST/touch & go/dischord fare
the 3rd one undoes all the possible interest there may be in them finally learning to play their instruments by sounding like the world's shittiest bad seeds tribute band
it's a bad band
most bands with which the people talking about them online can't keep themselves from somehow bringing up their appearance(just look at /mu/ and the way iceage barely ever get talked about without some fag or another posting dreamy photos of elias along the way) tend to be bad
>>63368998
try iceage
>>63368998
>>63357660
The casualties? Fucking poser
>>63369144
The rivalry actually started because those two scenes were very incestuous.
A lot of surface crust, grind, and thrashcore bands mingled with the budding extreme metal scene, whereas the deep underground hardcore scene mostly listened to by elitists started to resent extreme metal because a lot of the budding first-wave black and early death metal bands were copying what their punk/hardcore predecessors were already doing and popularizing (relatively) a style that's deeply rooted in the underground. Whereas the surface extreme hardcore bands mingled with metal, the underground extreme hardcore bands despised it. You do see plenty of punk and metal elitists fling shit at eachother, the only difference is that punk elitists will sometimes completely say that these hardcore/metal hybrid genres aren't hardcore at all.
You could unironically make a valid case for Satanic Rites being a punk album and not a metal album.
>>63364378
Pat retired and isn't an anarchist anymore.
Which is good, because it's fucking retarded
>>63369190
no lol, I live in New England
>comparing Iceage to UK trash
wow it's like you never even listened to them
>>63366002
Thanks for the tips, mah nigga
>>63365951
BAIT
>>63367698
This is a fucking joke, right?
>>63368245
Better music
>>63369254
the first iceage album was blatantly heavy on late 70s/early 80s UK punk worship, from warsaw and crisis to some of the oi/RAC shit
it was all two-minute simplistic anthemic shit with a lot of bass drive and trebly thin guitar lines, i don't see how you've failed to notice the connection
have you even heard any early UK punk beyond the clash and sex pistols?
>>63368793
Why does everything Stza touches turn into shit? Goddamn that record is terrible.
>>63368998
If you like that record then punk is not the genre for you.
>>63368998
>>63369359
Why do you think it's bad?
I think it's one of the rare things Stza's vocals actually work with.
>>63369383
It is basically pop songs tucked in with a bad crust sound. And Stza's vocals are always terrible.
>>63368337
hail the new dawn is best skrew song
>>63368337
>>63369413
naw mayne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EWW1nPQAGY
Y'all niggas don't know good punk
>>63368567
>I agree this is why hc threads are awful but you have terrible taste as well
I bet you think Black Flag is good lol
>>63369302
God I miss Nothing Nice To Say, too bad Mitch had to go and become a fucking beta who never updates anymore.
just listen to Madball you pussies
who /kickback/ here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hQ-5Lfulo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wNxy3ySBk4
>>63368804
>btw the whole "you aren't a REAL PUNK if youbwant to keep food on the table!!!" shit is antiquated as fuck and a belief only held by retarded edgy teenagers. Everyone has and uses some form of connections to do anything in music, even the most diehard of DIY bands are only able to tour and survive because of connections.
This. I fucking hate this mentality that appears to perpetuate the punk culture. If a band's music gets them success and fame, they shouldn't be shunned.
What about some modern hardcore/punk? Pic related is one of my favourites of the past five years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0l55J4CAo4
Another favourite was Shoppers' Silver Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxny_qm_mA
>>63364374
Can you give me a New York Dolls album that you think is better than Never Mind The Bollocks? Not being hostile here, legitimately asking.
>>63368804
>Everyone has and uses some form of connections to do anything in music, even the most diehard of DIY bands are only able to tour and survive because of connections.
there's a difference between having the sorts of connections which allow you to play in a town without having to worry about whether you're gonna have something to eat and a place to sleep after the show and the sorts of connections which end up with you rubbing elbows(or snorting coke) with people working in highly influential music publications and doing fashion photoshoots
>>63369432
socialist cuck
>>63369445
naw mayne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP5kgmsw2ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLrJFwKM54A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QxIsR9-BY
>>63369748
and the idea that taking steps to make a living making music is inherently "anti punk" is stupid as fuck and juvenile
>>63369559
no but shitty brocore is worse
>>63368341
>>63368630
>>63368676
>>63368804
EIGHTIES! I'M LIVING IN THE EIGHTIES. I HAVE TO PUSH, I HAVE TO STRUGGLE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8
>>63370045
will the second killing joke album ever be topped? by anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBEFFiBZyEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtZxewxXoPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU9sgB6YJJU
i doubt it.
>>63369718
What you think of this band called Krimewatch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS_Uuj5SiU8
My favorite track is 小便 たれ.
Who's /U2/ here?
I've been getting into it. Really like most Richard Hell related stuff, not sure if it all qualifies as punk. Listening to the Dead Boys now, and I'm a little luke warm on it. What banks have really stood the test of time?
>>63370416
That was an unfortunate typo, obviously meant bands, not banks.
>>63370321
That's post-punk senpai. This thread is just for regular ole' punk.
aspects of war
alehammer
these two ands kick ass for being very contemporary, check out the alehammer at war with straight edge!
>Punk vs. Metal eh...
This album is hard to tell which it is.
>>63370611
gism is doing a euro tour.... so jealous
>>63370078
Really? That's your favorite Killing Joke album? It's good but I think they have better. This springs to mind.
>>63370746
KJ are really consistent with quality and i love most of their albums but that primal, brutish energy of their early stuff does a lot more for me than the later, almost-metal stuff
>>63370826
See I'm weird I like their mid '80s Post Punk stuff best. Night Time... I actually like Brighter than a 1000 Suns. Lol. But you're right their whole career is impeccable. Pylon was good I thought.
>>63370611
Crust? Grindcore? Crossover Trash?
>>63370934
Japanese harshcore
Daily reminder that hardcore died in 86
>>63370910
Night Time was actually the first KJ album i heard, love that album
they managed to make their sound less rough and more refined on that album without losing any impact in the process, if anything it always felt to me like one of their most miserable and apocalyptic albums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v-bT1ibIMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rahhO8YKEsA
Brighter... is really spotty but that remixed reissue of it from 2006 or something fixed most of the problems i had with the original release(though it unfortunately also came with a redone and much shorter version of Victory)
Adorations and Victory are some of the best song they ever wrote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71b7c43iMqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPGeXV4uliU
>>63370019
>using brocore as an insult
top fucking kek
Have fun debating whether or not Iceage is tr00 punx or not like a sperg, instead of at a gig moshing and two-stepping
>>63371137
iceage is to punk what deafhaven is to metal
>>63371124
I had tickets to see them back in February... But they cancelled the tour. I was so fucking butthurt. Been wanting to see them for years....
>>63371137
>two stepping
just say skanking faggot
>>63371236
So punk mixed with shoegaze?
>>63354933
Real punk as a movement needs to come back
Memes aside Death Grips is the only band in years that I could feel real emotion and anger reflected in the music.
All rock music these days is just a fasion statement now, I want to go to a show and feel danger. I want the band to be sweating buckets and possibly bleeding.
>>63371314
>Death Grips is the only band in years that I could feel real emotion and anger reflected in the music.
You need to listen to more music.
>>63354933
Fugazi. The one true Punk band that's left.
>>63371337
Sorry I meant the only GOOD band in years that I could feel real emotion and anger reflected in the music.
>>63364414
best taste in this thread!
>>63371314
>I want the band to be sweating buckets and possibly bleeding.
A lot of bands that perform live sweat a lot, don't they? Also, how would they bleed? Would they cut themselves?
>>63371236
(not really at all tho)
>>63359853
Been listening to the Gospel album a lot lately. It's fantastic
