http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35802564
/CLASSICAL/ TASK FORCE
DEFEND BIRTWISTLE, RIHM, PART AT ALL COSTS
THEY'RE ALL AT RISK.
>>63304119
RIP
Place your bets, who will be next?
>>63304220
I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Reich gives out any year now.
Marriner is on borrowed time, although he could pull a Carter
In terms of composers, Part, Glass and Reich are all getting on a bit.
>>63304293
I'd say Glass and Part are too good spirited to die before Reich.
Haitink is 87
I reckon Barenboim has at least another decade barring illness.Gardiner is around the same age but I feel he's more robust
Dutoit is 79, Norrington at 81
>>63304505
God has been spiting us this year so Norrington's got 20 years left.
>>63304293
>Part, Glass and Reich
Please God. No.
Also, question. Do people unironically think Saint-Saëns La danse macabre is great, or am I not appreciating it enough? I personally think Op.111 No. 4 is his best. Not exactly classical, but I think romanticism goes under here.
>There are two ways for a classical composer to get onto the papers - win a gong, or make a rude remark about pop. Sir Harrison Birtwistle did both in a single day last week, when he won the classical music prize at the Ivor Novello awards. He had sat in the hall listening to James Blunt and KT Tunstall and Athlete and finally when he was called up on stage his impatience boiled over. "I've never heard so many clichés in a single day," he said. "And why is all your music so effing loud?"
please God we need him, don't take Birtwistle too soon
I'm new to Classical music. Farewell to Stromness sounds melancholy, as though I were saying goodbye to great, great times, but there's a deep seated peace as well. Like, a happy sadness. Thanks for the post OP.
Sorry to blog post, but I'm picking up the Cello soon, got a part time job to save money for College and the Cello. I suppose my current goal is to learn how to play the Cello well enough to move anyone emotionally. I'm not sure what I want in life, but a goal would be nice.
As a cellist, what would be the penultimate and ultimate goals in ones career? Of course I'd work a normal job, but this would eat the rest of my time. Where did you learn about music, the authorities of music, and so forth?
I'll be doing my own research of course. Right now the local library offered me a box set of Yo-Yo Ma, and Alisa Weilerstein, both exceptional cellists. Thanks in advance.
>>63304119
lol literally who? Please don't make classical threads with no name fucks as the picture, thanks, sure its sad the guy died but really what has he done? Is it in the same league as the greats? fuck no, so please stop. I can already smell the hipster readying his insults for me.
>this guy did this this this
why haven't i heard of him then? oh thats right because im not pseudo classical faggot who only listens to it for bragging rights. Cya later hipsters
>>63304736
Eight Songs for a Mad King is better than anything Beethoven, Mozart or Bach ever did.
>>63304736
>>63304772
Don't shitpost, you RYM memer.
You give Maxwell Davies a bad name.
>>63304736
>why haven't i heard of him then?
Because you have terrible taste in classical music.
>>63304772
Not true btw
>>63304736
If he's good enough for the Queen he's good enough for you.
>>63304811
>Don't shitpost, you RYM memer.
What makes you think I'm shitposting or meming?
>>63304835
Your obsession over his most RYM friendly piece. I see through you kid. I doubt you've ever heard his symphonies.
>>63304850
I've listened to his first 6 Symphonies, his 9 Naxos Quartets, Miss Donnithorne's Maggot, The Lighthouse, 3 of his concertos and a few minor works. But his best to me remain Eight Songs for a Mad King and St. Thomas Wake.
>>63304901
And what of Bach Beethoven Mozart have you heard?
>>63304772
i was baiting pretty hard but your post takes the bait cake
>>63304811
>>63304831
im glad my baiting skills are still above average, mozart would be proud
>>63304909
This, the closest from all of these to Davies' peaks is Beethoven's 7th String Quartet.
>>63305045
It was a pretty obvious bait, I took the opportunity to show my opinion.
>>63304220
georges pretre
>>63305071
>all just a bunch of shitty downloads
Jesus Christ you think music is just some hobby don't you? Just something to show off to friends?
>>63305133
You asked what I had listened to, did you expect me to type it? it's easier to take a screenshot.
mememememememememe
>>63304772
>>63304119
RIP
>>63304220
>mfw Part or Adams go next
>tfw I've lived on the same remote Scottish island (pop. 500) as Davies all my life and he came in to teach us violin occasionally
Wasn't a huge fan of his music but he will be missed.
>yfw Cobra dies shockingly young
>>63304772
This is a pretty weak shitepost desu. 1/10.
listening to haydn's string quartets
Is Guillaume Costeley good or a meme?
Is early music allowed here?
Bump
>>63309685
>early music
Describe what you're referring to. We talk about medieval music like Perotin and the Carmina Burana sometimes.
Newfag here
Why is late romantic music considered pleb? Some of it sounds nice
>>63310358
you're not supposed to listen music because its "nice"
>>63304626
I went to college for music, so theres that.
>>63310358
>implying it's Pleb
I don't think it's Pleb until the very late Romantic era. It went down hill very quickly there.
>>63310358
because girls like it
only acceptable 19th is brahms and 20th is schoenberg
>>63310358
Implying late romantic music isnt dank, this is just what happens when you give a bunch of kids who know nothing the right to an opinion. All they want to do is cause rifts between music fans even though theres been dank music in every era.
Annual reminder that It is not acceptable to play Baroque music with Romantic era instruments.
>>63310654
Are you some kind of retard? I cant believe the bad tastes on mu.
>>63310717
Daily reminder that it literally sounds objectively better on modern instruments, as long as instrumentation is correct.
Are there any living classical composers who don't write dissonant and angular music?
Is there a better performance of Les Noces than the Pokrovsky one?
Also, is Les Noces the best thing Stravinsky's ever written?
>>63310358
It's not.
It's only pleb if you place it above the Classical era.
>>63304736
>why haven't i heard of him then
Because you're ignorant. its not rocket science. you dont know about contemporary composers, you're not part of the classical world. You probably listen to tool and dream theater and kanye west.
>>63309685
of course. Renaissance polyphony is best music
>>63311039
Arvo part, Lera Auerbach (sometimes), John Adams, Karl Jenkins, John Tavener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8as_BN5h5YQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tys8cm0W2Ds
>>63305082
>georges pretre
don't get me wrong, i don't wish death upon anybody, so nothing against his person... but he is absolutely the worst condcutor i have ever seen/heard.
>>63310763
you know instrumentation just means instruments right?
A modern piano still isn't a harpsichord or an organ.
>>63310763
>hip fagots blown the fuck out
Hey /classical/
I don't really know my shit about this genre and would like some advice, if anyone'd be so kind.
There's some pieces in classical music I really like
Beethoven's 9
Vivaldi's Storm
Mozart's Requiem (Especially the Lacrimosa part)
Several pieces from Rachmaninov
Are there any artists or pieces of music I can listen to, to have a similar strong/aggressive impact?
Yours Sincerely, a commoner
>>63311731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl59Gn602hg
>>63311731
stick to pop music.
>>63311785
Thanks! I'll definately listen to it.
It is also a "Requiem" so I guess that's something a lot of composers have made.
I also guess that these generally inherit a similar mood.
If so, are there artists that have this stlye throughout all of their pieces or do they reserve those for their Requiem?
>>63311731
Pergoelsi Stabat Mater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SfZJQ7cXV4
Mahler 6 and 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEo1PsSmbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvXhyldUko
Bach Orchestral Suites and Passions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm1os4VzTgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w26Qkm4wbGk
Scarlatti Stabat Mater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmM-sgvXQk
>>63311731
Listen to Mozart
>>63311934
>>63311955
Fuck off Poly.
>>63311907
Thanks alot, will listen to all of them today and maybe be able to expand on my own from there.
>>63311934
Will do, but as far as I know, I've already listened to a lot of Mozart and a lot of his pieces don't really spark my interest.
I can see how good the composing is and depending on who's playing it, I can also appreciate the talent on their part, but the themes alot of his pieces carry don't hit me like I'd like them to.
>>63311983
Yeah Mozart doesn't tend to "hit hard", he lacks pathos in most of his music save the requiem and some of the operas.
Classical period music like Mozart and Haydn is more about easy listening for the royal court than expressing deep emotions. Its not their fault, just the style and working conditions of the times.
>>63311976
wow poly has nice cheekbones
>>63311845
The Requiem is a particular Mass celebrated in the Apostolic churches. Western Classical tends to revolve around Christian themes. Similar to how many artists will paint their own interpretation of a particular scene from the Gospels, you'll have many composers doing so through written music.
>>63311983
Classical period tends to be the hardest period for newcomers.
>>63312035
>>63311983
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
>>63312020
Oh it seems I sort of understood something, I like how that feels.
>>63312051
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
>>63312057
In what perspective?
>>63312020
>he lacks pathos in most of his music
Reminder that this doesn't mean anything.
>>63312125
>pathos
Pathos is a quality of an experience in life or a work of art that stirs up emotions of pity, sympathy and sorrow. Pathos can be expressed through words, pictures or even with gestures of the body.
If you had a retort you would have used it, but feel free to attack the word instead.
>>63312075
if he shaved that mop off he could be really nice looking. guess meal fans never grow up though
>>63312181
And all of that is subjective based on the listener.
>>63312195
I find its mostly to do with Mozart's inability to go 4 bars without using a major cadence.
>>63304593
You're not appreciating it enough. Its great. Its no master piece, but its a fun inventive little dance.
>>63304736
>A prominent conductor dies
>FUCK THAT GUY.
>STUPID HIPSTERS TRYING TO PAY RESPECT TO THE DEAD
K.
>>63311039
Open question for /classical/
Is John Adam's chairman dances the best minimalist piece yet written?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzdstfOlEE
> ^ link related. ^
>>63311934
>no piano concerto no. 9
further proof
>>63312109
because chances are you'll listen to it and be unhappy that it's not as 'epic' or 'emotional' as romantic music, yet apparently not 'different' enough (like baroque/renaissance/contemporary) to mark it as different, so you'll complain that Mozart has no depth and is overrated, thus falling into the trap
>>63304626
The ultimate goal is to be able to do anything you want with your instrument, first try, perfectly. You will never reach this. Preliminary goals are learning sheet music/music theory and being able to play the melodies of your favorite songs. From there it really opens up and you can go wherever you want with music. Shit's fun!
>>63312382
Hm. I said I don't know much about this genre but a very talented pianist I know once told me, that Mozart is "Playing something very difficult and making it sound as easy as possible". I don't think I'd do him wrong. Also the historical influence he had and the fact, that he's still listened after this long time should be sufficient proof for his talent.
It still doesn't make me like the light-headed songs any better.
>>63312382
This is well said imo.
Its taken me a year or two to fully understand the greatness of Bach and Mozart. Absolute formal perfection tbqh imo senpai.
>>63312351
>>no piano concerto no. 9
>further proof
14, 18 & 19 are all better desu.
>>63311934
exchange piano trios for string quintets and it would be a decent chart.
>>63312673
>underrating 17 that hard
Just fucking off yourself jesus christ
>>63312781
i was talking about the concertos NOT on the chart. 17 is already on there. take care.
>>63312315
Chairman Dances is very good. I love Nixon in China. John Adams is the only minimalist composer that I really like Tbh.
>>63312803
Ok alright then senpai. I apologise
>>63312826
There are a few from Glass and Reich that I like, and I think Part is great.
But thus far I think Adams is the best minimalist. He manages to make it much more lyrical and interesting, I get the impression that its more like a full orchestration of a fugue or something.
That said, I don't consider Part to be entirely a minimalist. I think his sacred music and neo-medieval/renassiance stuff is his more distinguishing quality
I quite like Tavener of the sacred memeinalists. The music of the orthodox church lends itself well to the style
>>63311513
I meant like tubas arent playing bass parts faggot.
>all this Mozart underrating
Reminder that before you read Rosen you aren't even allowed to comment on this matter:
Classical Style
http://b.1339.cf/fzvmlgw.djvu
Sonata froms
http://b.1339.cf/fzvmlgw.djvu
There really needs to be a /classical/ book and scores repository, as a literate tradition these are just as important as recordings.
>>63313169
Oops, link to Sonata Forms here:
http://b.1339.cf/ckpvohf.djvu
>>63313169
just leave mozart and haydn to the true patricians and beethoven and mahler to the angry/angsty teenagers. everything will be fine.
>>63313235
>implying these things are mutually exclusive.
Don't rain on my parade prick. Mahler is fun as fark.
I have my personal appeals, and then I know true greatness.
Also Beethoven is far greater than Haydn could ever hope to be.
>>63313273
angsty teenager detected.
>>63313235
I would agree with you in general, but in this specific case if plebs were allowed to roam free here instead of being shamed out /classical/ will turn into another r/classicalmusic.
>>63313373
>mfw even people in Beethoven's time wouldn't be such retarded elitists as to call him "angsty teenager music"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uOxOgm5jQ4
>>63313417
doesn't change the fact that YOU are an angsty teeganger.
>>63313235
Haydn liked Beethoven does that mean he was angsty as well
>>63313454
Nigga you trippin son. You don't know the first thing about me.
>>63313510
lol. haydn was his teacher. he was being nice. haydn obviously knew mozart was king.
btw, beehtovens imitative classical period (everything pre op. 47) is truly dreadful.
>>63313572
>lol. haydn was his teacher. he was being nice.
>speaking for based Haydn
Truly pathetic senpai baka
>>63313572
>underrating the early sonatas and quartets this hard
Almost as disgusting as Mozart underrating.
>>63313695
>>63313615
>>63313572
>>63313515
>>63313510
Keep the bantz up boys. Front page /classical/ here we come.
>>63313235
tfw Mahler was a true patrician
>>63313695
lol. i'd pick anything by haydn any day over early beethoven. i stand by it... beethoven for me starts from the kreutzer sonata.
>>63313722
no he was a tasteless neurotic cuck & his music suffered from it accordingly
>>63313772
>tasteless
>cuck
>music suffered accordingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSYEOLwVfU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-YirHvtfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11mfvRIKgUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VCpbMPhmWY
Come on now. You're not deaf are you?
>>63313722
mahler is like wagner without the charm
>>63313772
he was one of the few Mozart champions of his day, a lot of his music wasn't very popular during that period but Mahler was a pretty big Mozart wanker, one of his favorite composers.
>>63313827
ruckert lieder is probably his best work. other than that meh.
>>63313872
so? i never said mahler was a bad conductor.
>>63313914
oh ok, Mozart lovers are only patricians when it's convenient for your argument, got it.
>>63313827
>Bernstein
Are you deaf?
>>63313956
Rekt
>>63313956
lol. what are you talking about? i love mozart but that doesn't make me a great composer now does it? fucking hell. mahler composed the most decadent, tasteless, self-indulgent music imaginable. i understand kids really love that stuff (just like they would like progressive rock) but as far as i'm concerned it's really not for grown-ups.
>>63313515
Rank or wank to my free sheet music /classical/ I'm going to sleep and want to hear some shitposts by tomorrow.
>>63314040
it couldn't possibly be worse. sleep well.
>>63314022
>just leave mozart and haydn to the true patricians
you said it, friend, not me. by your own logic, Mahler was a true patrician.
>but as far as i'm concerned it's really not for grown-ups.
tfw Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Kegel, Klemperer, Walter, Rosbaud, Kubelik, Markevitch, Mengelberg, Horenstein, Boulez, Scherchen, Stokowski, Zender, Mitroupoulos, Reiner, Martinon, Steinberg, Tennstedt, Kondrashin, Barshai, Cooke, Rogner, Maderna, etc. were not grown-ups.
>>63314022
>As far as I am concerned, it's not for grown-ups
Pic could never be more related.
>>63314022
You sound like you're trying way too hard to be perceived as 'oh-so-mature'. There's endlessly interesting counterpoint melody, and orchestration to be found in Mahler's pieces. Neurotic, maybe, but it was a result of both the times and his own life. There is nothing wrong with that aspect of music, and his music is filled with far more humor than you give him credit for. Bitter humor, sometimes, but humor nonetheless. It is not just 'neurotic' there is heroism, tranquility, longing, peace, madness, and a variety of other themes to be found in his music. It's hard to take anyone seriously who listens to his stuff and just goes 'durr that's neurotic' and leaves it at that.
>>63314345
Irony is for boys, Wit is for men.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S28582709
I love reading through old threads like these. I find it very entertaining.
>>63304626
Ayy fellow cellist. I just started a about 3 weeks ago. Have you played any other instruments? I played guitar for 10 years before cello. HUGE leg up on left hand technique as a result. Bowing technique is a bitch to get good at, and is also painful (this goes away after a few weeks of practice, heads up), but it's not terribly difficult otherwise. Definitely take lessons if you can, you don't want to develop shitty playing habits. Youtube videos are an inferior, but acceptable, substitute if you absolutely don't have the time or money for one, though.
But like the other anon said, virtuosity (complete control of your instrument) and being able to sight read are the ultimate goals for anyone. But really just learn to read music notation (it's not hard, it's just memorization), train your ear to recognize certain intervals so you can learn music by ear; those are the main ones right now
How do I into Saint Saens
>>63314191
Stokowski wasn't an adult either, apparently.
>>63314512
>Why are classical threads always so hatefull?
Not much has changed really.
>>63314500
>Cringe.
>>63314345
Well put. As someone who's read one of the most authoritative biographies on him, and looked through two others for excerpts this is true.
I mean, look at the use of frere Jacque in Mahler 1. There's tons.
Plus he was a god damn work horse. He conducted like one of the greatest in all of history (apparently) and did concerts and major institutes something like 4-5 times a week during concert seasons.
He mainly worked on his symphonies in the solitude of his country cabin. And damn did he exorcise some feelings, and praise jeebus. Very religious. Very emotional. Seems play a bro. More meaningful than Brahms.
Although that doesn't necessarily mean its better.
>>63314947
>The most elitist genre in the world
>On a website for mainly edgy teens
That'll happen. There are some bros here and there though. We should make our own blindfold threads.
>>63314512
The one guy who said that genuine music discussion is ignored in favour of replying to obvious bait was kind of right. That said, /Classical/ is still a great General at times.
>>63314760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doZUSFlvxYE
>>63315356
>MIDI performance
shiggy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM
>>63311934
K427, Kyrie
GOAT.
Goat.
capra dei.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeNeckd7-OE
>>63313515
>Doesn't have a folder for each composer
casual
no need to rate unless you post your own, /classical/.
>>63313772
>tasteless
his music is tasteful af though
>neurotic
[citation needed] geniuses are often "neurotic"
>cuck
spoken like a true intellectual. His sexual relationships dont really have much to do with his music.
>>63314512
Kek, btrl.
>>63314760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKO_6bQ2Ls0
>>63317835
The 2012-2013 era btrl and clt posts are a goldmine of fun.
>>63313169
>as a literate tradition
*tip*
Can someone please recommend me some uncommon choral?
>>63311955
>Schuetz Lully Gluck Scriabin Boulez
>underrated
lol wut
>>63304258
He's still making music though. He released radiorewrite like 2 years ago.
>>63311955
Martinu and Shittke are properly rated though.
Most of them are. overrated if anything.
[spoiler]Fuck off poly[/spoiler]
>>63319413
When was the last time you saw a performance of any of those composers?
Scriabin I agree isn't all that underrated. Boulez is rated about right. Lully too.
>>63319452
www.schuetz-musikfest.de
http://staatsoper-berlin.de/en_EN/repertoire/orfeo-ed-euridice.1050394
>>63319546
now compare that to Mozart and Beethoven performances
>>63304220
Steve Reich and Phillip Glass
>>63319820
but these composers weren't nearly as important, thus they are rated right
>>63320003
>Schutz and Gluck weren't important
Schutz "generally regarded as the most important German composer before Johann Sebastian Bach"
Gluck revolutionized opera and "broke the stranglehold that Metastasian opera seria had enjoyed for decades"
>>63320079
one trick ponies
>tfw no good place to download classical music
>>63320217
you arent looking hard enough
>>63320264
suggestions?
>>63320275
http://recordedmusicweb.blogspot.com/
go down the list
Recommendations for someone who wants to get into Arvo Part? Maybe provide dl too if possible?
>>63304220
>>63311502
>worst conductor
doesnt say anything else
>>63311502
COBRA
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>>63314500
thanks anon you made my day
>>63320342
"Look guys, duuudes lmao, I'm, like, John Cage - "the bell is a buddha" or whatever lol"
Damn, that's one big set pippo just uploaded.
http://www.mdt.co.uk/blog/special-offers/richter-the-100th-anniversary-edition-50cds/
>>63322103
>tfw will never be roughly fucked by him
>>63320323
>>63322235
but what part is this?
>>63322333
arvo
>>63322353
only English or Chinese numerals, please
>>63322333
the right one
Bit late to the Mahler discussion, but reading Adorno's essay on him in Quasi una fantasia is quite fascinating stuff. As much as Adorno can be wilfully dense, once you cut through that it makes really interesting reading
>>63314760
His chamber music is top overrated. Discovered a qt little caprice on russian and danish folk tunes for piano, clarinet, oboe and flute that is really quite gorgeous. Surprised I hadn't encountered it before in some sort of chamber concert setting since you'd think that wind players would be falling over each other to get an opportunity to play something with the combination of instruments
Wish his piano concerti got played more often too. For being top-drawer romantic piano concerti, that really don't get much concert time compared to the big Russian romantic ones.
>>63320003
>>63320079
Most pre-Bach German baroque composers get too little attention desu. I mean, I know it's difficult to tear oneself away from the Bach cantatas/passions (with good reason) but Schutz's Weinachtstorie and Matthew Passion are both deserving of more performance, not to mention the Symphoniae Sacrae. Bruhns+Buxtehude's cantatas are really interesting too.
Gluck is an unfortunate one too. He suffers a bit from the same thing that Mozart does: we're so used to a world where Gluck's operatic reforms changed the operatic scene that we don't really appreciate how important they were. I unfortunately missed out on being part of a performance of Iphigenie en Tauride (in a new English translation, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on point of view) which I think could have been good fun.
>>63320323
Depends what you want in particular, choral/orchestral/combination of the two
>>63322451
top underrated* even
>My cook knows more counterpoint than Gluck
What did he mean by this?
>>63322494
His cook was actually a very good singer and good contrapuntist, so it's less of an insult than it appears.
However
>tfw you will never dine with Handel as he insults everyone in his heavily-accented English and stuffs his face
Sad times
>>63322494
And
>Haendel
>>63312382
But Mozart is overrated and has no depth.
>>63322494
>le wealthy German tone merchant who sailed across the sea to England, best place for le wealthy merchants
>>63322581
but he has some girth
>>63320342
pls happen
i hate this faggot's music so much
>>63317535
>Implying i have the money to buy anything not on imslp or illegally available
>implying im a conductor.
I have paper copies for the stuff I really like anyways. Are you a conductor / in composition?
Or do you just have the scores to better understand their music?
>>63319366
Part negro. He's all over this thread too. Good stuff imo. Stravinsky symphony of psalms is unordinary too
>>63320323
Anything in his later period of composition. I don't care for the atonality.
Symphony 3
Frates
Spiegel im spiegel
Fur alina
tabula rasa
triagon for strings
choral works etc.
Its minimalist which may be a turn off for some, but i appreciate that his minimalism is a sincere grasp for spiritual substance rather than just for the hell of it.
>>63322069
>someone who has never listened to Part interview.
He's like a venerable as fuck old man. And he's hardcore russian orthodox later day convert. Used to be atheist I think. Or protestant.
>>63322333
>>63322235
That would be his earlier period. I don't like it particularly that much. His other is more unique imo. Cello concerto is good though.
>>63322581
>overrated and has no depth
>no depth
Good meme. Qualify "depth". If you qualify it emotionally its almost immediately irrelevant. Mozart achieves formal perfection in many of his pieces, they have depth in technical aspects. The "depth" of romantics is artificially inserted by being programmic usually.
They're both good, but in different ways. But given the constraints of having to write consonant music and have patrons etc Mozart is worlds above 99% of all composers.
Bump
>hundreds of performance of the Pope Marcellus Mass
>only one performance at the correct pitch
>>63324111
a=415?
>>63324124
No, more than that. One fifth lower than written pitch in fact.
>>63322451
Saint Saen's 5th Piano Concerto is great
>>63318087
>pretre
don't do this, guys.
>underrating brahms and mozart
>overrating mahler and beethoven
/classical/ is officially just as bad as reddit.
>>63324701
I believe you. You're the authority on reddit around here, after all.
>>63324740
savage
>What's the best Mahler? Including its version
Also, I'd really like to get into modern classical composers. Something that reflects our very present-day time, something completly fresh that makes me wonder about the way we live as a society. Something absolutely not dated. If possible, sad. Could you red pill me, anon?
>inb4 pretentious
>inb4 I enjoyed Gorecki's Symphony No.3
>inb4 pleb
>>63324855
>What's the best Mahler?
All of them.
>Something absolutely not dated. If possible, sad. Could you red pill me, anon?
This makes me sad everytime I listen to it:
https://youtu.be/eJzVjN_KLZQ?t=26
Extremely depressing.
>>63324855
Mahler's final of the 9th is literally Satie
did he know about the frenchman?
>>63324891
>composing for turntable
>making it a bunch of trashy fucking breaks that add nothing to the composition and have no organic interplay with the other pieces
jesus christ it's like a youth ministry or something
>>63324855
>What's the best Mahler?
rueckert lieder are tolerable.
>>63324891
This is way more funny than it is sad, I'm in tears. Fucking kek, the way it interjects with the orchestra in absolutely no meaningful way with horrific transitions is just great. Is this satire?
>>63324950
i just picture the composer in Bono sunglasses posing in British pop news magazines like he's Damien Hirst in the 90s. what a fucking hack.
what's your favorite schumann lieder? i feel like moping around to schumann's lieders today.
>>63325026
>lieders
lieder is already plural.
>>63325065
oh
thank you
>>63322494
He counterpointed his dick into Handels asshole
>>63325026
Liederkreis
>>63325356
more like counter pointed his sausage against Handel's wiener
memesave
>>63319426
Bowie was still making music too.
>>63304119
a mad hobo who lived in a trash pile near my house was also a composer, he created a 1000-sheet avant-garde piece. He died yesterday, RIP misunderstood genius. His name was Scum Beard Tony
>>63311502
Pretre is great, though. You must not listen to very many performers if you think he is bad.
>>63325631
>>63324891
>>63324925
>>63324950
The way its integrated is really underwhelming, but I think the orchestration actually isn`t terrible (ignoring the turntable parts I mean).
If someone talented actually managed to make some weird ass harmony with that I think it could hold promise. Weirder things have been tried before, and I figure a turn table could introduce some a strange set of timbre..
>>63328047
>You must not listen to very many performers if you think he is bad.
i listen to plenty different conductors. but if i hear one or two bad perfomances by a conductor i won't bother checking out his other recordings.
>>63330309
>but if i hear one or two bad perfomances by a conductor i won't bother checking out his other recordings.
how shallow
imagine
>but if i hear one or two bad recordings by a composer i won't bother checking out his other works
More like Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D major, Op 35? Even the next best Tschaikovsky after this would be nice.
>>63330584
>how shallow
rubbish. i can hardly listen to every single recording out there. what's the use of looking for that one recording by a conductor you generally dislike when there's plenty of excellent other recordings available. i know you're not listening to every recording out there since you seem to like pretre so much.
anyway, for french repertoire i like paul paray and jean martinon.
>>63327411
any recordings? Lol
>>63330598
Try some of the other big romantic concerti:
Bruch's violin concerti (no. 1 is v. popular. I like his Scottish Fantasia too)
Brahms' concerto
Sibelius
Mendelssohn in E Minor
/classical/, I need help.
Where can I find the early works of Horațiu Rădulescu?
Specifically, I'm searching for:
>Taaroa
>Everlasting Longings
>Wild Incantesimo
>Outer Time
>Awakening Infinity
>Do Emerge Ultimate Silence
>>63330670
Thanks for the suggestions. Scottish Fantasia is is great so far.
>>63330648
>what's the use of looking for that one recording by a conductor you generally dislike when there's plenty of excellent other recordings available
kek, and you base this off of one or two recordings. thanks for confirming what i had said before
>>63330805
absolutely.
hearing dudamel's recording of zarathustra made me decide i never have to hear anything from him again. life's too short.
>>63324701
Beethoven CANNOT be overrated.
>>63322494
It means he was a big guy.
>>63327411
Good to see Moondog's students getting some appreciation.
