>He said metal is just as difficult and complex as a Beethoven symphony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEd-eecB5qk
>>63298203
All I see is poor wankery.
they're so pretty ;_;
>>63298235
2complex4u
>>63298203
This sort of thing is difficult to play but the actual skill required in orchestrating a symphony is much greater than what is required to compose music like this where metric changes happen without reason and there's no meaningful harmonic progression.
Most guitarist/drummer duos who've been playing longer than 2-3 years could woodshed for a month and write and practice something like this.
>>63298203
atrocious
>>63298203
holy fuck what is this!
>>63298203
This sounds like absolute garbage.
>>63298203
is this a lost EL&P demo or something
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>>63298318
I literally got asked to leave a party one time when I pout this on.
>jazz is on the same level as classical
>>63298341
*put
freudian slip
>>63298341
The people were right to tell you to go.
>>63298376
I know ;_;
and that was by the guy who fucking opened for them
Beethoven isn't particularly complex by modern standards
Abba is more complex
>>63298343
>implying clasical trained instrumentalists could play jazz with the ease that jazz players can play classical
noperino.
It's not a matter of complexity (there's plenty of metal bands more complex and more technically taxing than most classical compositions), it's a matter of songwriting which classical definitely excels at more than almost any other genre.
This is coming from somebody who listens to classical almost exclusively, this metal album's a lot more jarring and more complex than a lot of classical compositions. That doesn't mean it's objectively better, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1X0Bejwnko
>>63298569
Songs require singing
>>63298569
free jazz is objectivly the most complex
>>63298512
Jazz pianists can't play classical. Every other instrument is irrelevant.
metal's the new classical lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRk
>>63298197
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>>63298308
>it's another thread where dumb rapfags and poptimists hate on metal
>>63298729
>demilich
>album is just frogs croaking over mid tempo tech death
Not gonna lie it is fucking fun as shit though
>>63298197
>listening to music for it's complexity
the girls are laughing at you op
>>63298679
I feel like I grew a fedora while listening to this
>>63298343
Most classical instrumentalist are just robots playing what they have infront of their eyes. Jazz playing come from your mind and soul not some fucking piece of paper. Jazz playing is about creativity and being original yet badass as well. It's about what you can bring from yourself to the music. So much harder being a actually good jazz player than just a robot classical player. Classical is easy to play compared to Jazz. Unless you're a pianist.
I don't think metal (technical metal) is just as difficult/complex as classical, but its pretty damn complex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgnQpxhCPfA
complex metal sounds like shit desu lad
>>63298679
It's not very experimental is it?
>>63298826
Are you sure you're on the right website friend?
>>63299092
why wouldn't I be?
>>63298826
>Most classical instrumentalist are just robots playing what they have infront of their eyes
and most "jazz" "instrumentalist" have no idea about making good music, they're just expressing themselves
or at least that's their excuse for being shit
>>63299131
(not true, by the way)
>>63298197
Thats why true patricians combine the best of both genres and listen to the Roy "Voice of God" Khan
>>63299134
true
i'm sorry to hurt your feelings
>>63299161
so how do you explain the hundreds of classic jazz albums that are immaculately composed?
do you really believe that all jazz is just improvising? are you actually that stupid?
christ read a book or something
>>63299131
it's way harder playing something that comes from yourself than reading a fucking music sheet. if you can actually express yourself through music you're already a few level above most musicians. And if someone doesn't have any idea about making good musicians it's those robots who do nothing except read notes. No soul no anything with doing that. Literally any person who practices enough can do that. Requires zero talent. I do have respect for people who do that though.
>>63299223
>about making good musicians
good music*
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>>63299223
how can anyone be that plebeian?
i bet you're both leftist
>>63299245
>resorting to buzzwords and ad hominem
yeah I think this argument is over, you're a retard
>>63298826
You're not wrong but the majority of musicians playing any musical genre are pretty shit.
It's not fair to compare good jazz musicians to mediocre-bad classical musicians.
>>63298203
This is dope, do you know any other stuff like this?
>>63298826
Man watch that Seymour an Introduction film on Netflix and see how much thought goes into a classically trained pianist playing any given piece
Robots what a fucking joke
And I love jazz too just saying your point is retarded
>>63299197
>hundreds of classic jazz albums that are immaculately composed?
there is also a shitload of great classical pieces
and the best of them are better than any jazz music ever made
>>63298679
pretty good video
>>63299223
This guy is right. Hell look at this way,10s of thousands of people right now in the world can play beethoven. How many people can compose music like him? None. Being able to create music yourself is 100% more skillful than playing someone else's interpretation of sound
i like it when pol try to pretend classical music is superior just because it was made by white people
and then they go and use b8hoven as an example when he wasn't even white
>>63299349
even playing beethoven requires more talent than composing some simple songs
>>63299365
Thanks for the contribution anon. Very unrelated to the thread but I feel we're all richer having read your post.
>>63299378
yeah for sure, thats a given
>>63299410
i congratulate you on your poor comprehension skills
>>63299443
>memes
>>63299451
try reading the thread dickhead
>>63299349
>How many people can compose music like him?
Any music college professor of composition. Like there's something special, duh.
He was revolutionary in 1800's, now he's outdated.
>>63298197
Metal CAN be just as complex as a beethoven symphony though. it depends
>>63298729
I listen to both classical and jazz, mate.
>>63299479
that's some tasty bait friend, how much will it cost for some more?
>>63298679
they're good
>>63298826
>Unless you're a pianist
Why? [spoiler]im learning piano ;_; [/spoiler]
>>63300695
I know that feel
>tfw fingers hurt
>I want to go shitpost on 4chan instead of practice
>>63298569
Tbh, you are comparing pieces which had already passed the test of time for more than 200 years to any wank metal / or jazz which hadnt. Doubt the pieces from that era that got lost in time were that good in songwriting
>>63298614
Free jazz a shit.
>>63298667
Look both of you. Those two jazzist and classical musicians are the top of the game there is. Each one excels in things the other dont. About tone, consistency, general technical ability, the classical musician generally is the best. You have to stick to what the pentagram says, not only in notes but in dynamics (piano, forte...) and other devices, and that shit is hard. At improvising over some harmony, or improvising the harmony itself the jazz musician is better.
>>63298197
Some is more and some is less. The genre is decades old, turns out there's a lot of variety there.
>>63299048
Shitty complex metal sounds like shit. Complexity is not inherently shit, but does not compensate for music writing
>>63298248
Ok. Was that the topic? That doesn't seem like the topic. You're probably in the wrong thread.
>>63298343
Sais who never tried to play jazz
>>63299223
>Literally any person who practice enough can do that
>requires 8 hour of practice a day several years to be good enough to okay it at professional level
>easy to have the will and discipline to do that
>Implying jazzist who improvise doesnt do the same, just practice enough time to imrovise.
Also, jazz improvise over standars, musicians do really study the piece before playing it, or have already being playing the same piece plenty of time.
>>63298667
No. There are pianists who can play jazz, pianists who can play classical and pianist who can play both. Is not one more difficult than other, just different, and each one requires different knowdledge and training.
>>63298826
>To play jazz you have to know how to create but you only need to know how to play for playing classical.
Ok thats mostly true, but you say it like just playing a classical piece was so easy.
To play well a piano concert you need years of learning and hard work practicing 4-8 hours every day.
>>63298248
Except that's not how composition works. You have an idea and then translate that idea into music (usually some form of notation but not necessarily). "Having an idea" is neither easy nor difficult, it's just a thing that happens and different people will have different ideas based on them, y'know, being different people. A lot of it comes down to experiences as well, someone raised on microtonal eastern music is going be coming from a different place than someone raised on major scale western music. The process of learning a given system within music theory is itself an experience that will shape your future ideas, you can claim certain systems are more difficult to learn that others but not much more than that.
Mick Barr knows theory. Whether he has as much of a grasp on the material Beethoven was working with is arguable but he certainly has access to developments that the dead composer didn't. What it really comes down is that if you resurrected Beethoven and gave him this modern equipment would he ever have the idea to write anything like this? Probably not, right? He'd likely end up using the guitar and drums set to write pieces very similar in structure and style to what he wrote before, because those are the sorts of musical ideas he tended to have.
In short, it's stupid to argue about which is "more difficult" to write when neither composer would write anything like what the other writes. Because they're different people with different brains having different ideas (that come without difficulty, because that's how thinking works).
>>63299131
Have you ever listened jazz?
Working as a musician (and jazz is not my main genre) I met musicians of every genre, jazz musicians use to have more music knowdledge than the musicians of any other genre
>>63299245
Saved for cringe threads
>>63299272
All of Mick Barr's other projects have tinges of this (he's in Krallice as well, which is about the furthest from this style I've heard him go). Behold... The Arctopus is a related power trio that writes similar music without such a "buzzy" guitar sound. Early Daughters had touches of this, before they went the "heavier jesus lizard" route. Yowie is a math rock band that you'd probably also appreciate if you liked this. My knowledge is rustier than it used to be but if you just look around for mathcore and tech metal odds are that you'll find a lot of similar stuff you'll enjoy mixed in with the more metalcore and djenty bands.
>>63298197
ok maybe is not but man, Brendon is there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuI8mtmhsFE
>>63298197
>beethoven's music is complex
yeah so you have no idea about classical and you're just (unsuccessfully) parroting things you've read around this place? ok then.
