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What were there 'folk rock' and 'hard rock albums'? I'm not a Beatles fag so I actually do not know. Top of my head I can't think of any folky or really heavy Beatles songs.
>>63275359
Is this a cringe thread?
HELTER SKELTER
>>63275359
wtf
For Sale, Help and Rubber Soul are folky tho, just in case you're being legit
>>63275368
no this is unconfident about my ability to discern good music general. /uamatdgmg/ threads for people who dislike the beatles.
>>63275377
Of the three I've only heard rubber soul and thought it was more pop than folk, when I think folk I think early Bob Dylan, or Woody Guthrie, so I figured it would sound like a rock kind of folk music, folk-rock.
>>63275419
It's both, really, If I Needed Someone is super Byrds-ey, Norwegian Wood, I'm Looking Through You, all very acoustic
>>63275419
Most folk-rock is more on the rock/pop side of things than the folk sound. The Byrds sounded like the Beatles to a certain extent and they're THE folk rock band.
>>63275406
This is true. Now please help, nothing the Beatles makes sound folk or hard at all. The Mountain Goats or Metallica or Kanye West.
>>63275458
>The Mountain Goats
>folk
Man, Bob Dylan killed a word.
>>63275419
John Lennon had a massive hard-on for Dylan during those three records. The US version of Rubber Soul replaced some of the rockier songs for the more folk swayed tracks on other albums (I've Just Seen a Face, Its Only Love)
>>63275458
>kanye west
>folk
Man, Sean Kingston killed a word.
>>63275478
>The US version of Rubber Soul replaced some of the rockier songs for the more folk swayed tracks on other albums (I've Just Seen a Face, Its Only Love)
That was not Lennon's doing. That was Capitol US. The Beatles had no control over their US albums up until 1967.
>>63275515
Both things are true, although not connected. Folk rock was super trendy and Capitol did their best to make Rubber Soul as folky as possible, but taking off If I Needed Someone, as close to The Byrds as The Beatles ever sounded, still makes no sense.
>>63275530
>Both things are true, although not connected.
What both things?
>>63275547
Lennon being a huge Dylan fanboy and the US version of Rubber Soul being folk-ified
>>63275406
Say what you will, but this is the best thread on the board right now for actual music discussion. This is a fantastic thread.
Rubber Soul is the "folk rock" and Helter Skelter is the "hard rock".
Helter Skelter was actually written in response to a review Paul read of The Who Sell Out where the reviewer called I Can See For Miles "the heaviest rock song ever made" so if anything The Who invented hard rock.
>>63275458
>nothing the Beatles makes sound folk or hard at all.
The hard rock would probably be White Album material, like Revolution, Helter Skelter, Everybody's Got Something To hide, etc.
>>63275562
>Lennon being a huge Dylan fanboy and the US version of Rubber Soul being folk-ified
Yet again, we can't assign Lennon credit for the US configuration because they didn't do it.
He also was not really that a big of a fanboy, that's something that has simply been overblown for ulterior motives.
>>63275610
During that period of time Lennon was, he just wasn't for that much longer in his life.
>>63275627
Not to mention If I Needed Someone was all George's doing, and was alreday based around a sound on A Hard Day's Night, which predated The Byrds.
Again, grasping for straws.
>>63275610
>ulterior motive
Interesting, who gains from this deception?
>>63275648
I'm not even really talking about the music at this point (and I'm not the anon who's been arguing with you) but it's pretty well documented that for a period of time Lennon revered Dylan. By the end of the 60s that reverence was obliterated of course but it was there for a time.
>>63275679
People who are interested in taking The Beatles down a peg.
>>63275595
I guess I'll have to listen to the other version of rubber soul, the one I heard was pure pop rock.
>>63275693
>but it's pretty well documented that for a period of time Lennon revered Dylan.
How so, other than smoking a joint, writing a few songs and then just appearing in Eat The Document?
>>63275716
>the one I heard was pure pop rock.
Maybe you accidentally listened to With The Beatles
>>63275716
All of the US exclusive tracks appear on the UK version of Help!.
>>63275695
How insidious? Saying the Beatles were fans of music they didn't personally create? Insanity.
>>63275752
I'm not agreeing with the other guy, but 95% of the wikipedia genre tags are at least slightly wrong
>>63275752
Its not the first time I've disagreed with Wikipedia, its the poppiest folk music I've ever heard if it's folk. Its closer to modern Beaber than to folk.
>>63275610
>Yet again, we can't assign Lennon credit for the US configuration because they didn't do it.
yes thats what I meant when I said they werent connected
keep up
>>63275824
Luckily there's a citation [2]
>>63275818
Shifting golaposts now
>>63275838
I'm not Zoe Torres. I'm answering your question. It's not my problem you don't understand rock music
>>63275861
Why bring it up at all then? it was a moot point.
Shut of your computer and go outside.
>>63275717
There are dozens of interviews about it. When The Freewheelin' came out the group listened to it for a month straight. When Subterranean Homesick Blues came out Lennon said he didn't even know how to write something that can compete.
>>63275906
>goalposts
Sure is r e d d I t in here all or a sudden
>>63275933
>There are dozens of interviews about it.
Post them
>>63275934
Nice argument
>>63275906
chill bruh
>>63275838
This is also considered folk-rock. I've already said that folk-rock is much, much, much closer to the rock and pop side of things than the folk side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYNuD4CwlI
>>63275956
You're ruining the best thread on the board by being a big meanie
>>63275956
If you were actually as much of a Beatles fan as you claim you'd already know them.
There's a reason why Zimmerman is one of the names Lennon no longer believes in during God.
>>63276013
If you can't prove it, it isn't true.
Nice try though.
thats wrong, here is the correct version
1963 - beatles invented music
1964 - beatles invented punk rock
1965 - beatles invented progressive rock
1966 - beatles invented psychedelic rock
1967 - beatles invented post-rock
1968 - beatles invented avant-garde jazz
1969 - beatles invented shoegaze
1970 - beatles invented grindcore
>>63276050
This isn't a formal debate, there's no need for burden of proof. This is mentioned in the Anthology multiple times, and again, Lennon placed Zimmerman (Dylan's original last name) right under The Beatles in terms of importance in the song God. Why would he do that if Dylan was only someone of marginal to importance to him at every point in his life?
You're the one who made the original claim that the importance of Dylan on Lennon has been overblown and you're the one who hasn't brought up any evidence for the fact.
>>63276099
1971- music died
>>63275359
63- The poppy "Please Please Me"
64- The even poppier "Hard Day's Night"
65- The slightly less poppy "Help!"
66- Rubber Soul came out on December of 1965 so does that count?
67- Revolver was more experimental but Sgt. Pepper is better
68- HELTER SKELTER (well, a lot of the white album)
69- Umm, does she mean Magical Mystery Tour? You know the one that came out before the white album?
70- Let It Be
Jesus. The Beatles are my favorite musical group but even so I despise most of their fanbase.
It's cancer like this that make people hate their amazing and influential music.
>>63276159
>66- Rubber Soul came out on December of 1965 so does that count?
According to the Grammys it does.
>>63276100
>This isn't a formal debate,
Been nice talking you
>>63276183
Good job answering my questions.
>>63276183
This thread should be stickied.
>>63276207
Good job at answering my questions.
>>63276217
>>63276012
Is this your first Beatles thread or something?
>>63276363
I provided lyrics to songs where Lennon was namedropping people that either he or the public revered (and in that song, again, Dylan's name was right under The Beatles. Even Elvis didn't have that and it's an undisputable fact that Lennon revered Elvis in his youner years), songs that Lennon said he didn't know he could answer, the fact that he listened to an album of Dylan's for weeks on end.
How have I not answered your questions.
>>63276436
>I provided lyrics to songs where Lennon was namedropping people that either he or the public revered
Which is why it's a moot point. He's namedropping 30 other things. Is he also a mantra fanboy? It's circumstantial evidence--and also contradicts your previous comment that after "this time" he was a Dylan fanboy that he didn't care. Which is it? Changing your mind now?
Also you are missing the citations I asked of you. This is your last chance to actually prove your case. If you very next post isn't solid citations, then this is my last post to you, because you are just poor b8
Last chance.
>>63275906
>Why bring it up at all then? it was a moot point.
because it wasn't sure if you were denying both of them
>>63276501
It doesn't contradict what I'm saying at all. The period that was "this time" was in the mid 60s, God came out in 1970.
I already gave you your citations by the way. Watch or read the Anthology again.
>>63276531
Stop shilling
>>63275359
Their folk rock albums are A Hard Day's Night, Help, Beatles For Sale, and Rubber Soul. Their hard rock album is The White Album. There's some hard tracks on Abbey Road too
>>63276416
Sticky this thread its important stuff
