Anyone think Soulvaki is on par or even better than loveless as a shoegaze album? Let's hear it
as a shoegaze album, no
overall, yes
>>63262015
nope
I prefer it
though I haven't given the entire album a relisten so I'm not sure if my opinion will change like it did with Loveless
It's not as good as Loveless but I still prefer it. The real question is, does anyone else prefer Eyedazzler to Souvlaki?
No. Souvlaki is one of the best shoegaze albums
Loveless is one the best albums in popular music, period.
>>63262132
This
>>63262132
cringe
>>63262210
Fuck off Neil Halstead
>>63262125
Eyedazzler = Souvlaki > Loveless
I find Rachel's lyrics on Souvlaki poorly written compared to Neil's. 'Altogether' is a yeah-fest and SSS is I'm-14-and-this-is-deep core.
Thanks, Montie, for ruining the reputation of this bland pile of shit. Slowdive is music for and by whiny, angsty teen cucks. This isn't even shoegaze, it's bland alt rock mixed with Cocteau Twins-derived dream pop. How is this compared to Loveless again?
Everyone from plebs to patricians like Loveless. Only plebs appreciate Souvlaki.
Slowdive were a group of rich kids who, with help from daddies money, were able to capitalise on the popularity of shoegaze. After getting BTFO by music publications they decided to change their style and recorded Pygmalion, which is basically a shit 9gag version of Talk Talk's Laughing Stock
>>63262347
>Slowdive is music for and by whiny, angsty teen "cucks"
Yeah, and Loveless is music for autistic people who are unable to feel any emotions at all because of having spent so much time isolated in their own rooms listening to DEEP, COMPLEX, EXPERIMENTAL AND MEANINGFUL TEXTURES
>Cocteau Twins-derived dream pop
What
>>63262379
Re
Remember the wise words of Nicky Wire kids: "Slowdive are worse than Hitler"
>>63262506
>literally who
>>63262628
>not listening to manic street preachers
>defending slowdive
Shoegaze is nu-male core and Soulvaki is the most nu-male of them all. It is music you pretend to like to convince girls that you're sensitive.
I really love Souvlaki, but nah.
I like both a lot. Loveless is trippier, muddier and more focused on sounds and textures to bring emotional impact without caring that much for lyrics and melodies. Souvlaki is dreamier, prettier and more pop song oriented, still mantaining that immersive sound in the background.
Both are great at what they do in equal ways, I just can't say which one is better tbch familia.
FUCK SOUVLAKI! DEATH TO SLOWDIVE!!!
>>63262015
>comparing that garbage to loveless
Into the toilet it goes :^)
The fact that so many books still name Slowdive as "one of the greatest or most significant or most influential" shoegaze bands ever only tells you how far shoegaze still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Shoegaze critics are still blinded by commercial success. Slowdive sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Shoegaze critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Slowdive did anything worthy of being saved.
*ahem*
>>63263057
This is laughably misinformed. Souvlaki was a flop and was panned by critics. It slowly developed a retrospective cult following years later and began to sell.
>>63263122
Fuck off with your Brit pop shit
>>63263122
britpop shite
>>63263008
kek
>>63263147
it flopped for a very good reason :)
>>63263122
not shoegaze
>>63263122
ugh
Pygmalion >> Souvlaki
>>63263186
???
>>63263122
This is one of the few albums that is actually good, tight songwriting paired with the shoegaze aesthetic, rather than mediocre songwriting covered up by effects.
This is a now a "shoegaze albums better than Souvlaki thread". Post em.
>>63263214
Nah m8 :^)
>>63263238
>>63263147
lol dude
>>63263276
whoops
Souvlaki was crap.
>>63263229 is right.
>>63263238
pic related is so underrated. also Curve's Doppelganger.
>>63263301
Am I wrong? Tell me if I am pls
>>63263340
you're wrong for defending souvlaki ;)
![61a4ambOANL[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uqDvLxg.jpg "61a4ambOANL[1].jpg")
>>63263238
>>63263238
but anon, how can I fit all shoegaze albums into one image?
>>63263373
lol ok
>>63263319
I really can't stand Curve. I can't fault the album but they have such a cringey grunge vibe to them that sounds so corny to me
>>63262042
this
>>63263421
>I really can't stand Curve.
But everything they've made is still better than Souvlaki :^)
>>63263421
>I really can't stand Curve. I can't fault the album but they have such a cringey grunge vibe to them that sounds so corny to me
Finally! Someone else who understands.
>>63263319
the candy claws album is like a shoegaze Pet Sounds. The melodies are so great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKiq-P2OJyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36fmTRA5NrM
this one has kind of a Velvet Underground melody to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbgsWLMGHas
>>63262347
>>63262451
>>63263154
>>63263159
>>63263186
>>63263319
And, it's the same as always. There can't be shoegaze discussions outside /shugazi/. People saying Nowhere is britpop shit, people calling Pygmalion a copy of Laughing Stock, people saying Souvlaki is alt-rock mixed with Cocteau Twins dream pop, people bringing Curve's Dopplegänger to this "shoegaze classics" discussion even though it's not different from bringing Alcest, APtBS, Bowery Electric or Ujubasajuba.
For fuck's sake.
>Hospice
>American Football
>Souvlaki
Which will be the next album that /mu/ used to like and will suddenly turn away saying "lol it's pleb garbage".
My bet is Since I Left You
>>63263238
The only real shugazi artist is MBV, the rest are altrock/dream pop/noise pop/whatever.
>>63263319
I prefer Hidden Lands desu, C&C is a fucking annoying clusterfuck of tropical sounds, but HL is gentle and sweet.
>>63263547
But shoegaze is an adequate umbrella term for those related genres imo
>>63263511
Meh, why is it getting to you so much, there are retards all over /mu/. The "'pygmalion' is a copy of 'laughing stock'" one really was especially retarded though
>>63263730
yeah, if anything it's a copy of spirit of eden
>>63263547
But MBV has only dropped only two shoegaze albums on all of their history. Loveless and m b v.
Loveless is mostly noise pop, and you have to be really retarded to not acknowledge something as obvious as it.
But shoegaze is like that, it's like a "characteristic" that's applied to alternative music. Nowadays, we can see it's getting merged with drone metal, black metal, gothic rock, post-rock, etc.
What kind of shoegaze albums do "Loveless is the only shoegaze albums" have listened? Are they just meme posters that have gotten convinced by other meme posters?
Here. There's another shoegaze band that is similar to Loveless' shoegaze style without being a simple copy that isn't even obscure but it never gets to be discussed outside /shugazi/.
But of course you guys are not going to try it! Because you're really comfortable there, sitting on your aunt's basement (because your parents got divorced and none of them wanted to be in charge of a lazy fuck who complains about everything), listening to DEEP experimental albums you chose from a /mu/ essentials chart because the album covers looked fancy, liking what everyone else already does. Oh that's really comfortable, isn't it? It even makes you feel more comfortable hating on other shoegaze bands to show how PURIST and PATRICIAN you are, liking the ONLY acceptable shoegaze band by /mu/. Of course you haven't even heard of The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa.
>>63263764
why does everyone on /mu/ have to put forward their opinion in such an angsty and defensive way
>>63263688
The problem with umbrella genres is that they are fucking autistic, just like IDM. They are good to get into a particular scene/style, but the artists are so different between each other that you can't really give accurate recs.
>>63263764
Autism.
>>63262015
Yeah, personally I like it a lot better. Souvlaki is one of my favorite albums
>>63263879
You can if those involved in the discussion tacitly accept the limitations of the label, which is the case. It's not like the broadness of the term hinders recs, at all. People who like "shoegaze" tend to like all of those sub-genres.
>>63263238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QhHtYY6aF0
>>63262015
Why aren't Catherine Wheel a part of big shoegaze 4 with MBV, Ride and Slowdive, this album and Chrome are great
>>63264062
Because Ride already covers the role of top shoegaze band with alt-rock leanings.
Is it safe to say that this is an important shoegaze album and that it belongs with Loveless, Nowhere, and Soulvaki?
>>63264062
Catherine wheel is also great, love it
>>63263421
>>63263466
Don't tell Chris Ott that.
>>63262073
>haven't given the entire album a relisten
your statement implies you've listened to it a single time, opinion motherfucking dropped
>>63264442
holy shit that album cover
>>63263214
Absolutely
>>63265983
The album is GOAT though
It definitely is better than Souvlaki. I love Curve.
>>63262015
I can clearly see why someone would prefer to listen to it over Loveless, since the sound of two albums is very different, but if someone says it's better from a technical or artistic standpoint, then no, I can't agree with that.
Loveless is such an unique and amazing album. It's different from anything else you'll hear and yet it's so beautiful (although I do think it requires a listener to be in certain mood in order to fully enjoy its sound).
On the other side, while Souvlaki is a great album it brings nothing new to the table (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).
One thing it has over Loveless is that it's more accessible with its mostly clean vocals, which means that listener would have easier time following the lyrics... Still, I find those "hidden" vocals of Loveless the coolest thing about it.
If you wanna say that both albums are equally beautiful, I guess I could accept that, but then you must also take into consideration that Loveless managed to reach that level of beauty while also being very creative and unique (and I guess you also have to respect all the work that went into making it).
Not that I'm saying Souvlaki doesn't have it's own unique charm, but I guess that most people out there would agree with me when I say that Loveless is light years ahead of it in that department.
