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>no edition
>not even posting the mega links
Stop starting threads like this.
>>63192001
I don't have the links and people bitched about Beethoven last time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tzLguU_2Dg
What is everyone's favorite Beethoven piano sonata? I downloaded Kempff's rendition and listened to 14 and 32 (liked them both a lot). Should I check out all of them?
>>63193014
29 or 32.
Kempff is good, if you want to try other performances check out Anda and Richter. Schnabel and Yudina too if you're ok with old recording memes.
>>63193076
Thanks my man. Will do.
>>63193014
21 & 32
>>63192001
>what is the archive.
People should be smart enough to find it desu senpai.
>>63193014
Pathetique. I'm pleb.
Or Moonlight. But I think anyone that's actually listened to it all the way through we can all agree the third movement is the best. Kick ass sonata.
>Now.
Dumping some favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11mfvRIKgUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XiYrzsgWto
>Underrated Respighi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5KRHTPTjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nELBXMobdLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvlYXq0juN8
>Top tier violin concerto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuzsFa5l0d4
>Greatest violinfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDTIae06t6Y
>Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1_vm0FMAU
Is this the greatest piece of classical music of all time? I honestly think its become my all time favorite. Such a perfect synthesis of drama, staging, music, singing. So. Fucking. Good.
http://strawpoll.me/7040803
>>63193014
32 for sure.
Jeremy Denk and Ivo Pogorelich are my favorite recordings of 32.
>>63193966
Don Giovanni? It's a good pick but I think the best piece of music isn't and shouldn't be opera. It should be absolute music.
>>63194063
>Pogorelich
js bach vs jc bach
>>63194096
Listen to his 32 and tell me it isn't the best.
It's on a disk with the Schumann Symphonic Etudes which are nice enough too.
>>63194099
J.S. Bach by far.
>>63193966
Nice pick! Don Giovanni is one of the best operas. I love the Magic Flute too.
>>63194099
fuck jc
>>63194083
But why?
I suppose I could see the argument of having one "best" for each category, but imo opera is the absolute height of classical music. Wagner was on the money. Its the perfect synthesis of almost every other art form, the pinnacle of performance imo.
How stringent would your definition of absolute music be? It could very well take a lot of stuff out of the running.
If I had to choose from among that I'd probably give it to a Brahms symphony desu. Beethoven 5 and 7 are also fantastic though ofc.
Can anyone recommend me some contemporary choral?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnilUPXmipM
>>63194234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjilKOyzow
>>63194230
I'm just a faggot that way. I think if something is the best MUSIC then it should excel at being MUSIC and nothing else. Tristan und Isolde though would probably be my one exception.
>>63194234
The recordings of Arvo Part's choral music by Stephen Layton and Polyphony are stellar.
Also check out Stephen Paulus; I only found out about him from this year's Grammys.
Particularly pic related.
>>63194292
Man I love playing this when I want to buttblast my friends and family.
Shitty recording though, the one led by James Wood is a lot better.
>>63194234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-ww9D7BFE
>>63194234
see >>63194293
IMO Arvo Part is a fantastic composer, he's one of the few I know of that is actively composing music inspired by gregorian chant, renaissance, etc. It strange, the mixture of sacred music, some dissonance, minimalism, and neo-medieval-ness is unique but totally accessible imo.
>>63194230
Schopenhauer kind of agreed with that guy. His argument was that Opera combined both theatre and music and so wasn't purr music. That said IMO Opera/ Mass are the best form of music.
post Gibbons or other madrigals pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqQUj4Qc3vU
>that 3:40 to 4:00
perfection
>>63194342
>he's one of the few I know of that is actively composing music inspired by gregorian chant, renaissance, etc.
technically Steve Reich is still in that style.
and I'd argue Jeremy Soule's music often is indicative of Renaissance or Medieval stylings.
>>63193014
12 les adieux and the last 3
>>63194318
I know, I was playing it and someone asked what I was listening to because it was so strange.
also, not necessarily contemporary (1941) but still cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFb8ahrrwyQ
>>63194234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dQodhCjq4
>>63194292
someone should make a version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4StAFB4eqU
with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzuLCLdcym0
>>63194450
yeah, or the hank hill headphones meme
>>63194250
I've never really cared for this requiem for some reason, but listening to this recording has changed my opinion.
Thanks bro.
>>63193014
Night with my uncle was pretty good, until he told me to drop em
>>63193014
Les Adieux & 32
Whats a good Mozart Piano sonata thats easyish to learn?
>>63194375
>Jeremy Soule
>A serious composer
Back to /v/, friend
Steve Reich wrote like one renaissance inspired piece. He aint renaissance. never has been, never will be.
What is the best /classical/ album cover
And by album i mean physical release of a performance of an art music work
>>63195937
K. 576
>>63197004
Not just best cover. Best album altogether.
>>63197173
>chamber performance of a keyboard work
Fuck off poly.
>>63197184
>*Excellent interpretation of a piece of music with unspecified instrumentation
fuck ON poly
>>63197004
>>63197280
>unspecified instrumentation
loving every laugh
>>63193014
Probably Appassionata as a whole. The third movement of the Waldstein is my favourite part of any of Beethoven's piano sonatas though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFj0jXMAQzU
>>63197280
>Excellent
modern shit get out reeeeee
>>63197184
>implying one person could handle art of fugue without compromising some of the voices, the tempo, or without using liberal vibrato
lolno
There's a good reason Mozart and Haydn studied Bach fugues by getting them performed on string quartet: So you can clearly hear each voice clearly, and so each voice has its own character.
>>63197323
>no counter-argument
Bach could have written it on a grand staff and added "fur clavier" in the title. But he didn't. wonder why that is? No amount of musicologists agreeing will change the fact that there is no specified instrumentation. Its pure music. You can play it however you like.
>>63197556
>vibrato
*rubato. Damn this would have been a singer of a post if it wasn't for that
>>63197540
https://youtu.be/jtWiQM8qy6E
https://youtu.be/5S0FYQh957s
https://youtu.be/HfH7WHZP96E
https://youtu.be/UjO4B73xZTw
https://youtu.be/twF4kRxRGj8
https://youtu.be/2XQngbb8Xro
>>63197184
It's not faithful to the original but is great in its own right.
>>63197004
>>63197556
>So you can clearly hear each voice clearly, and so each voice has its own character.
They were never meant to be "heard", numbnutz. Elgar and Webern orchestrated Bach's organ works in order for them to be better appreciated by the audience of his day as well, where's your praise for a symphonic rendering of the pieces eh? Taste changes with time, this is nothing new.
>no specified instrumentation
Opus 1 (6 partiats) - keyboard
Opus 2 (french overture and italian concerto) - keyboard
Opus 3 (Organ mass) - keyboard
Opus 4 (Goldberg variations) - keyboard
[Opus 4.5 (Vom Himmel Hoch variations) - keyboard]
Opus 5 (Art of Fugue) - ???
Try completing the pattern.
>Bach could have written it on a grand staff
He did
>polyposting already ruining the thread
>>63197712
OH HEY LETS DO EVERYTHING NOT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO WHAT AN GREAT INNOVATION
HEY LETS TAKE THE SQUARE ROOT OF 2 AND PLAY WHAT NOTES IT COMES OUT OF I BET THIS WILL SOUND GREAT
>>63198520
>not expecting innovation in art music over centuries
>>63197712
We've got ourselves an avant teen
Do you prefer Polly Bradfield or Peter Brotzmann
What are the best recordings of the Schumann symphonies?
>>63198669
polly bradfield ofc
brotzmann is coo though
>>63198692
inb4 i'm clt
>>63198692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp3OixIiJV0
>>63198746
absolutely classical
>>63198520
maybe you'd like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtLoItArrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4WlNj1TTqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCkd46hcRag
>>63198746
Underrated
give me ur moodiest classical i am about to commit seppuku.
How much vibrato would you like on your Baroque ?
>>63199601
satie's gymnopedies would be good to suicide to
>>63199624
lookin for somethin with a bit more OOMPH. this isnt suicide im gonnna live foreverr.
>>63199611
just furtwangler my shit up senpai
>>63197904
>Individual voices weren't meant to be heard
Disagree strongly
Why didn't he add 'keyboard' to the work, and write the whole thing on grand staff then? There's a good reason he wrote on 4 staves. So you can see each voice clearly. The same way you should be able to hear each voice clearly in a recording. You can't hear them all at once, but you can focus on 2 or 3 at a time, shifting balance with each moment, and with each listen.
>>63199611
if strings: none
if woodwind: minimal, ideally gradually increasing from roughly halfway through a note
if voice: minimal right at the end of the note.
>>63191736
Ruggero Leoncavallo is better than Giuseppe Verdi.
fight me
>Poly stealth shitposting
>>63200437
>Whenever one is confronted by a shitty opinion or general stupidity, they tell Poly to put his trip back on (assuming it's him) because he is is a clown without jest and is a master shitposter. This is helpful to newcomers because deters them from listen to the bad opinions and meme pieces Poly posts.
>>63200364
Your Poly is leaking, friend.
>>63200437
>stealth
>>63192073
Probably because he ruined Western music forever.
>>63193014
That one where you think he can't possibly repeat that one thing again and he actually repeats it again! AND AGAIN!
Truly a paragon of superconductive brilliance.
>>63198520
>HEY LETS TAKE THE X AND PLAY WHAT NOTES IT COMES OUT OF I BET THIS WILL SOUND GREAT
I hate modernism just as much as the next guy, but this is the methodology almost all common practice period composers used. Let's do pointless mathematical artifice nr. 18472398473!
>How does it sound?
How does it what now?
Where to go from here?
I have Tosca, Nutcracker, Carmen, La Boheme, Don Giovanni, Madama Butterfly
Hit me up with some great operas and ballet /classical/
>>63201502
Explain?
>>63201586
you'd probably like Otello.
if you're feeling a bit adventerous, maybe try Wozzeck as well. Otello and Wozzeck are probably the two most immediately engaging operas.
>>63201609
alrighty, thanks
>>63201591
All negative stereotypes about Classical music are about Beethoven's music. If all these stereotypes were assembled into an integrated model and if this integrated model was a shoe, it would be tailor made for the pestilential foot that is Beethoven's music.
>Classical music is boring
Who is responsible for glacial openings? Who is responsible for self-serving egomaniacal sprawling sections of excruciating and redundant repetition?
>Classical music is ugly and overblown
BANGBANGBANGCLANGCLANGBINGBINGBINGBINGNINININININININININININI!!!!!!!!!! Who is that? Who is single-handedly responsible for a deluge of fanfares? Who is single-handedly responsible for the jitter-prance-wail continuum that became synonymous with the symphony? Who pioneered the dreadful habit of exploiting the piano's percussiveness? Who was the first to use the key of Crunch Major?
>Classical music is formalist
Who repeats (boring) 10-20 second sections in the name of chord progression? Who draws his music out to tragicomical lengths in the name of harmonic emphasis? Who is so obsessed with form and harmonic trinkets that he makes entire pieces devoid of a single motif?
Beethoven is responsible for sending Western art music down the one way street of ever-increasing egomania, ugliness, and formalism. A street that ended in the literal tragicomedy of Mahler and Schoenberg.
>>63198520
>HEY LETS TAKE THE SQUARE ROOT OF 2 AND PLAY WHAT NOTES IT COMES OUT OF I BET THIS WILL SOUND GREAT
but the tritone has been used creatively before
>>63201609
>not recommending Cosi fan tutte, Figaro, and Magic Flute
FURTHER PROOF
>>63201685
he already listened to don giovanni tho
maybe he wants new composers senpai
>>63201699
>listening to anyone but Mozart
Führer poop
>>63201717
Thanks for including the umlaut
>>63201662
Did you get cucked by Beethoven?
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>>63201662
>>63201909
>inb4 BANGBANG damage control
>a popular 20th century melody played with kazoos as a joke
JESUS CHRIST HOW HORRIFYING!
>a popular 18th/19th century piece played by a cacophonous menagerie of shrieking strings and farting brass
IN THIS MOMENT I AM EUPHORIC!
>a toddler banging on a piano with no melody, no phrasing, no dynamic range, and nothing that distinguishes said banging from noise save from inane mathematical nothings
JESUS CHRIST HOW HORRIFYING!
>a german banging on a piano with no melody, no phrasing, no dynamic range, and nothing that distinguishes said banging from noise save from inane mathematical nothings
IN THIS MOMENT I AM EUPHORIC!
>a toddler opening his mouth as wide as he can and going AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
JESUS CHRIST HOW HORRIFYING!
>a singer opening his mouth as wide as he can and going AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA because that's what Sauerkraut Von Hammerbang wrote in the score
IN THIS MOMENT I AM EUPHORIC!
>frank zappa defecating incoherent sonic diarrhea in the form of an album
JESUS CHRIST HOW HORRIFYING!
>beethoven defecating incoherent sonic diarrhea in the form of a string quartet
IN THIS MOMENT I AM EUPHORIC!
Stay fucking mad.
>>63202703
You seem to be the only mad one here mate
I made a thread for this but it didn't get any traction so I'll ask here
can you give me modern classical pieces or modern music inspired by classical? along these lines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feShpPLivK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aln6DztAsMQ
>>63202918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVG5R6sIobo
>>63200364
>Why didn't he add 'keyboard' to the work, and write the whole thing on grand staff then?
Because unlike yourself, Bach's intended audience actually have more than double digit IQ and understood that since time immemorial keyboard works were printed in open score format, and many of them could even play from open score.
>The same way you should be able to hear each voice clearly in a recording.
They were supposed to be FELT not HEARD, because it was never a piece meant for mass consumption. Bach's primary audience for the keyboard has always been connoisseurs and fellow musicians, and transplating his carefully balanced voices to a heterogeneous ensemble is to show a complete reckless disregard for the music. If you have ever played Bach you would have noticed the huge number of doubled notes between the voices and hidden entries of subjects which Bach had buried inside the music with purpose. There's a reason why his own transcriptions to keyboard went only one way, because there is a fundamental distinction between his ensemble fugues (Brandenburg 4, say), and his keyboard fugues. At no point in his career did Bach ever assign a stile antico fugue to anything other than the voice or the keyboard.
>You can't hear them all at once, but you can focus on 2 or 3 at a time, shifting balance with each moment, and with each listen.
You can't honestly be this much of a buffoon can you? This is a statement under at least 7 layers of irony right?
>>63203164
>transplating his carefully balanced voices to a heterogeneous ensemble is to show a complete reckless disregard for the music
So why was that the way Mozart and Haydn chose to study Bach fugues? Surely they would have had "your insight" and instead had them performed on a keyboard so they could be "FELT not HEARD".
The music is to be studied, but it could be performed on any instrument, or combination of instruments.
Which brings us back to Musica Antiqua Koln's glorious interpretation. Its mostly solo harpsichord, sometimes duo, so plenty of keyboard for autists such as yourself. Having strings adds a diversity, warmth and humanity to the music, as well as allowing you to hear each part more clearly (a point you have failed to rebut). Furthermore, a string quartet is a relatively homogeneous ensemble. While a trained ear can distinguish viola from cello from violin with ease, most laymen cannot. Do they really offend your sense of cohesion that much? I can understand a poor quality rendition of art of fugue on string quartet could be awful (the Emerson string quartet version is an example of this), but not MAK's glowing rendition.
Also you failed to address the fact that few players are capable of playing art of fugue without some major compromise either in voice integrity or tempo (or both). There's a good reason Schiff hasn't recorded it yet. He doesn't think he's ready. And he's already in the upper echelons of piano playing. Will he ever be ready? will anyone?
>>63203036
made my ears bleed
>all music in the last 116 years is shit
I wonder who could be behind this?
>>63203336
>I wonder who could be behind this?
Beethoven and all subsequent Germans.
See:
>>63201662
>>63202703
HOLY SHIT!
Play this at 0.5 speed! He plays it too fast and jerky anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmd8JHmaiio
Best recording, by the way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bX3GeQZu-A
(Neither a midi, nor Malinowski playing)
>>63202703
What happened to you anon...? Are you OK?
Did someone molest you ears? They musnt be working very well.
>>63203336
>made my ears bleed
Are you fucking serious? Lol
Your ears must be extremely broken if that of all things made them bleed
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>>63204501
Lieder Ohne Worte
Symphony 3
Symphony 4
Quartet 2
Quartet 4
Quartet 6
Violin concerto
String Octet
Concerto for Two Pianos
Concerto for Violin, Piano and String Orchestra
Piano Concerto No. 1
Piano Concerto No. 2
>>63201662
Lol, is this a joke? There are countless examples before and after Beethoven which are guilty of way worse of the things you wrote. Not even going to bother naming some, because I don't think someone this dumb can be serious.
>>63204554
thanks, saved
>>63205258
Symphony 5 too. It's got some incredible moments
>>63205349
Great, been really enjoying his works so far
>>63205405
Also
Hear My Prayer
Lobgesang
Elijah
Die erste Walpurgisnacht
Organ sonatas
>>63203494
op 55 no 2 has traditionally been played around 4 and a half minutes. most of the difficulty of the piece is playing the counterpoint with free flowing rubato, horowitz is too past his prime to do so in that recording. to take it slower than 5 minutes kills the left hand impetus.
>>63203327
Why bring up Schiff when he's unable to play Bach with integrity?
Top fucking kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9tAI8e351E&feature=youtu.be
>>63206322
poor handel
>>63206322
Is it time to post these again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwsg8R49Zmk
>>63206322
I don't think /classical/ has ever experienced 'The Young Messiah' in full
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Messiah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ViCP_T8vDw
>>63206728
J'aime énormément cette version !!!! les voix, la musique .... c'est parfait ! Il n'y a pas que le classique après tout
Earlier I made my own thread but I didn't really get statisfying replies. I need classical music that works really well in combination with reading a book. So in a general sense something that's rather calm. Any suggestions?
>>63207186
Just play an mp3 of ocean sounds IMO
>>63205928
But...any faster than 5 minutes and all the "ornaments" get blurry and glib.
>>63207358
that actually depends more on the pianists technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHVxLncoVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQCZ8_u47_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpA9DiQHOUw
(and moravec, whos not on youtube)
>>63207585
All 3 of these perfectly encapsulate everything wrong with playing Chopin.
Hollow left hand, no bass, left hand notes serve no harmonic function outside of big cadences and are heard only as shitty "plucks" a la French Romanticism. Rubato used disruptively in sudden jerks that break the melody and only make an otherwise glib right hand episodically scuzzy.
Literally everything Chopin hated (historical fact) and everything that sounds immediately wrong when applied to his music.
Granted, playing Chopin too slow has the same effect. See the dozens of catastrophic interpretations of 27/2.
Best interpretation I could find, by the way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQIjWzZH-gc
Also, I suspect that 55/2 interpretation I posted is truecrypt's.
>>63207948
Your post is so hilariously wrong I actually had laughed reading it.
Firstly that Hungerford plays with minimal rubato, and if you can't hear the any of the bass lines in those recordings (especially the Friedman) you might want to get your ears checked.
Secondly Gilels is pretty close to the Chopin tradition: Gilels, who studied at an early age with Raoul Pugno. Hungerford is only one teacher removed from Clara Schumann, who made sure as hell all her students played with little rubato as possible. Friedman's recording I don't really need to discuss since it's pretty much legendary among pianists. Plus SDF loves it too. And I guess some Anon on classical clearly knows more about authentic Chopin tradition than all of those people.
>Also, I suspect that 55/2 interpretation I posted is truecrypt's.
And last but not least, I've actually had discussions with truecrypt about this Nocturne and he enjoys Neuhaus (another of Gilel's teachers) and Friedman the most. He's also never recorded the piece, let alone properly learned it in his own words. I completely kek'd on that last line.
>>63207186
This >>63207220
If you need something otherwise go with ambient ala Aphex Twin or Brian Eno. If not them then go with minimalism like glass, part, reich, satie.
Some bach is alright as well, but it ought to be played for active listening.
>>63208575
>And I guess some Anon on classical clearly knows more about authentic Chopin tradition than all of those people.
Look up primary sources pertaining to literally anything Chopin ever said about playing the piano in any context.
You're missing the point of almost everything I've said.
>Firstly that Hungerford plays with minimal rubato
Which is why I said "rubato used disruptively in sudden jerks that break the melody and only make an otherwise glib right hand episodically scuzzy", i.e. a remark on its quality with no mention of quantity.
>and if you can't hear the any of the bass lines
Obviously I can hear them. However, they are played so quietly and so fast that very rich harmonic interactions between the hands - integral to this piece - is almost nonexistent.
>Secondly Gilels is pretty close to the Chopin tradition
Chopin tradition is garbage. Rubinstein himself decried it on many occasions as a trivialization of his music that emphasizes - wrongly, unjustly, pointlessly - AT THE VERY LEAST the elements Chopin only cared about once every 10 bars, and more often than not elements that he hated and not only never intended to integrate in his music but actively composed it to combat them.
Those interpretations are shit. Your comment is shit.
>>63191736
Where do I begin with Gustav Mahler?
What is a solo piano piece called? Something along the lines of Rondo alla turca, and pretty much everything chopins done.
>>63209121
It's called a solo piano piece.
>>63209034
I already addressed everything that isn't obviously there in the recordings. You clearly can't hear anything in the recordings. Your loss.
Rubinstein was never even part of the Chopin tradition, so I don't even know why you say "Rubinstein himself" and then name off an arbitrary amount of "10 bars". "Oh, every 10 or so bars I will play with rubato or extra ornamentation." Yep, I bet that's what every fucking legit pianist thinks.
And by the way, if you actually listen to pianists that are in lineage with Mikuli, Michalowski, or Mathias (some of Chopin's students that worked closely with him) you'll find that Rubinstein does even more cheeky stuff than them. That is, if your crippled ears can even hear the bass.
Keep saying my post is shit, but I'll continue to laugh at your terrible opinions.
>>63209197
Err, scratch Michalowski.
>This stunning new work might just become the first great piano concerto of the 21st century
>Ludovico Einaudi's Piano Concerto is about to get its world premiere with virtuoso pianist Ji Liu and the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra. We're predicting a big future for it.
http://www.classicfm.com/composers/einaudi/music/piano-concerto-premiere/
Jesus christ
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>>63209197
>>63209034
Uh... is Arrau any good for Chopin? Because that's what I'll be listening to soon
>>63211011
Arrau is a fair choice.
>>63211011
Most of Arrau's Chopin recordings are good. The only clunker set is his Etudes from the mid 50s, which are, for whatever reason, musically uninspired. The fact that it's mono doesn't help either.
>>63209197
Old memes win again
>>63193014
at the moment it's no.28 op.101
Hi /classical/, newcomer here. Why was it customary for composers to write a great many piano concertos but so few violin concertos? For instance, Tchaikovsky wrote 1 violin concerto but 3 piano concertos. Beethoven wrote 1 violin concerto but 5 piano concertos. Mozart wrote 5 violin concertos but 27 piano concertos. Prokofiev wrote 2 violin concertos but 6 piano concertos. What gives? Am I just looking at the wrong composers? Or was there something harder, or perhaps less fashionable, about violin concertos?
>>63213506
keyboards are more functional by design, mostly the greater range of notes and ease of use. but you can just blame it all on it being mozart's primary instrument, which started the entire piano concerto line
>>63213506
>>63213570
most composer played the piano & could play the piano concertos themselves. only a few also played the violin (mozart did).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48oOAA8FoY
Post your favourite meme concerti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73QXavxLW-4
>>63213506
Post-Classical violin concerti are the worst. Fucking memes, all of them. Even pianos have Bartók and Prokofiev.
>>63213506
because violin is grating to the ears
Do we have one of those /mu/ guide to listening images for classical?
I need some harsh/scary sounding chamber music
Give me what you've got.
>>63216498
obvious answer is bartok string quartets
>>63215769
wooow
Going to stream Beethoven's 5th Symphony conducted by C. Kleiber and performed by the Wiener Philharmoniker in 9 minutes.
>>63217456
Forgot link http://mutantradio.org/player/
>>63206322
Honestly sounds so much better this way.
>>63217456
>>63217481
Streaming now
what do you guys think of le 4th interval man?
just saw the ny phil performing the turangalila symphony under salonen ama
>>63219852
I assume it was good. Was there anyone being a shit?
>>63219852
FUCK OFF REEEEEE
>>63219852
did you stain your pants?
>>63219852
nice
>>63217105
listening to this because of the cover now
Guys am I wrong or the Modern Classical section is all fucked up? From minimalism and beyond, aren't they Contemporary?
>>63220049
>rateyourmusic
Fuck off immediately.
>>63216591
bartok's quartet's aren't harsh or scary, they're smooth and lyrical
>>63216498
try xenakis tetras, schoenberg's string trio, and bartoks first violin sonata
>>63220049
Don't bother with RYM's classical community. One of the worst on the internet. Leave it now.
>>63220104
I use rym but whenever I see any classical related (sometimes theres nothing to do with it) its usually wrong classified. But theres just so many mistakes out there that I started to question if it was me in the wrong.
>>63220157
Are they worse than reddit?
>>63194250
i really really liked this work
thankxs you
*kisses*
>>63220465
Yes, they are worse.
>>63219876
it was good, audience was extremely well-behaved, huge standing ovation, and yes, it was mind-numbingly good
>>63219880
ok
>>63219892
thoroughly
>>63219892
yeah
>>63220001
its more than just a pretty cover, an excellent recording too
theres a few more suzuki / bcj recordings with neat covers as well
>>63197004
>What is the best /classical/ album cover
accept no substitutes.
Fill in this map with the best composer from each country
>>63209197
Again, there is a decent amount of information about how Chopin's music should be played, surviving personal notes as well as things that can be easily inferred from a collection of secondary sources. Go ahead and quote ONE sentence or idea that has anything to do with the recordings you posted, just one. I'll wait. No wait, I won't because you can't.
The only one who EVER cared about the primary/secondary sources was Rubinstein (and occasionally Horowitz), hence my reference to him as an authority - the only true one - on the subject of playing Chopin.
>"Oh, every 10 or so bars I will play with rubato or extra ornamentation."
>Yep, I bet that's what every fucking legit pianist thinks.
Chopin hated binary, disruptive rubato. LOOK IT UP. If one wanted to delay a cadence, one should start gradually slowing down by an almost imperceptible degree 3, 5, or even 7 bars before said cadence, so the prolonging of the phrase would be integrated into the flow of the melody and not break its stride. The same goes for accelerating.
Google "ritardando", you retard.
>... you'll find that Rubinstein does even more cheeky stuff than them
Such as? Wait, let me guess. Playing with a full-bodied bass so the harmonies between the hands are actually heard? Playing most of the preludes faster than his contemporaries so their intrinsic qualities come out rather than wallowing in menstrual French tinkling? Actually caring the relatively sparse instructions in Chopin's manuscripts? Like that climax in 27/2 that Chopin literally marked as FORTE and that "every fucking legit pianist" infamously ignored like a shitter? Or, I don't know, not ignoring his tempi? Like in 55/2, where Chopin conveniently wrote LENTO SOSTENUTO on the first fucking page?
>That is, if your crippled ears can even hear the bass.
THE BASS NOTES HAVE A HARMONIC FUNCTION JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THEIR MELODIC ONE.
H-A-R-M-O-N-I-C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony
You're an idiot.
>>63209197
>>63221693
Forgot link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyVFBkHepRw
You're an idiot. Leave.
>>63221693
there is no need to be angry
>>63219487
>reich
>le fourth interval man
>not scriabin
Scriabin was le fourth interval man. Pic related.
>>63198717
I gave a listen to this and was surprisingly disappointed in the sound quality. For a Mercury recording it sure sounded clastrophobic.
>>63221693
Do you suffer from aspergers, by chance?
Chopin wankers, not even once.
>>63221952
>no rebuttal
>such aspergers
>:^)
>>63222001
I'm not really interested in this argument but you were sperging out quite gloriously. Don't lke Chopin, he is too simple. Pedestrian music.
>>63222012
>memes about autism
>perceives music through the angle of technicality
/classical/, not even once.
>>63222001
You typed a comment that probably almost went out of the character limit when you could have just said it in one paragraph.
>>63222012
>Don't lke Chopin, he is too simple. Pedestrian music.
Nice meme. Difficulty =/= good music. Renaissance/Medieval music has very simple harmony but still stands the test of time.
>>63221952
>For a Mercury recording it sure sounded clastrophobic.
those were not taken from primary sources i believe, except for most likely the 4th.
original tapes are most likely damaged/missing like many others in the mercury series
you can re-eq, de-crackle, and fix the stereo image yourself on those recordings and they sound relatively good for what was most likely sourced from an LP
>>63222012
>Don't lke Chopin, he is too simple. Pedestrian music.
poly is that you
>>63209119
Symphony No. 6.
Symphony No. 1, 2, and 5 are also excellent
>>63216498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td-cUkR1Tu8
>>63222069
Chopin is pretty simple though. tunes for the right hand with arpeggio accompaniment.
>>63222911
Trying this hard to be poly isn't even funny. This is the most pathetic bait I've seen on /classical/
>>63222911
Poly please BTFO Chopinfags again, they need it
>tfw your headphones broke and now you can enjoy beethoven like he intended it
>>63220049
none of those are classical music either but who gives a fuck
>>63222911
>tunes for the right hand with arpeggio accompaniment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIZPrHl-kek
And this was 1837, years before Wagner pulled his own foreskin back, even before most of Liszt's memes, and ages before Scriabin and Debussy.
>>63222055
>Renaissance/Medieval music...still stands the test of time
lolnope
>>63223199
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIZPrHl-kek
>v=tIZPrHl-kek
>kek
>>63223243
>quote a link
>type "kek"
>win argument !11 XD
>>63223264
look at the post again and immediately feel embarrassed
>>63223295
Are you fucking faggots THIS incapable of having an argument? Jesus Christ.
>DERRRRRR KEK
>DERRRRRRR LOOKIT POTS AGAIN LOLOL
Please leave.
>>63223316
You really have ass burgers
>>63223199
Pretty boring. Good music to fall asleep to, though.
>>63223336
At least I don't like Bach.
>>63223316
Lol you didn't even look at it again did you
>thread is literally just poly shitposting, people calling eachother autistic and terrible opinions
Is this really what /classical/ has come to
/Classical/ General - Now Undoubtedly THE Worst General on /mu/
Congratulations! Worst than /Metal/ and Grimes threads combined!
>>63222990
>Poly
>BTFOing anyone
>>63223375
Yeah ok Mr. Assburger
>>63223375
I don't even go to those. This is the only thread I browse on /mu/.
>>63223391
Simply epic
Friendly reminder that Scriabin is a second-rate Lyadov blown up to Brobdingnagian proportions. All his music is nothing but self-worship of his own alleged "inspiration".
>>63221693
>>63222001
>Gloating a non-reply to an hours later reply
You really are funny.
About the right hand, Chopin said to Mathias that "You can be early, you can be late, the two hands are not in phase; then you make a compensation which re-establishes the ensemble". And that's only a description for his general approach to his rubato.
>one should start gradually slowing down by an almost imperceptible degree 3, 5, or even 7 bars before said cadence, so the prolonging of the phrase would be integrated into the flow of the melody and not break its stride
Again with the arbitrary opinion based off of what Chopin "said" rather than what he taught. Context is important and you ignore it.
>Such as? Wait, let me guess. Playing with a full-bodied bass so the harmonies between the hands are actually heard?
You mean when he pounds with the left hand to surprise his audience and often plays too loud with little dynamic nuance? I suppose I guess I'll give him the fact that the times had changed and he was playing for a different audience.
Rubinstein's not really faster than any of his contemporaries nor the previous generation in the preludes.
It is well understood that there is far more to how Chopin played and wanted his music to be played than what he wrote on the score.
>Like that climax in 27/2 that Chopin literally marked as FORTE
Moriz Rosenthal. Even the screwy Koczalski does it (and by the way, he plays the Preludes faster than Rubinstein)
By the way, Chopin's last metronome marking was for Op. 27, No. 2. The tempo? "Lento sostenuto". The metronome marking? Quarternote = 50 BPM. You should know Chopin's love of the metronome. Go and play it at 50 BPM. Fast yes, in reality Chopin probably played it slower but probably not by much. Apply the same reasoning to Op. 55, No. 2.
Also, none of "them" even recorded Op. 55, No. 2.
>THE BASS NOTES HAVE A HARMONIC FUNCTION JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THEIR MELODIC ONE.
Often the case if you can hear the notes.
Only just started getting into this stuff, but so far Grieg is my favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abrAIRuH5v4
Any more like him?
>>63223543
>The metronome marking? Quarternote = 50 BPM. You should know Chopin's love of the metronome. Go and play it at 50 BPM. Fast yes, in reality Chopin probably played it slower but probably not by much.
Generally speaking it seems that pretty much everyone played things faster in the early 20th and 19th century. Or, at least, that's my impressions I've garnered from the few historical recordings I've listened too.
Can we please just make a new thread? The collective amount of memes, arrogance, shitty opinions and autism is going to give me cancer.
>>63223595
>>63223543
Sorry, dotted quarter note = 50 BPM.
And also in my opinion following the score always exactly as written is fucking boring. I'm not a fan of Celibidache but if people like him never existed interpretations of classical music wouldn't be so fascinating. Music is a subjective endeavor.
Of course you're going to say
>Kill yourself.
to me
>>63223578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k46f7qqe5qc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy9079w0iJk (kind of like a modern Grieg for the reason that he was obsessed with Norwegian folk music)
Also listen to Grieg's String Quartet and Piano Concerto.
>>63223627
>>63223627
I would rather have quality discussion friendo.
>>63223578
Check out Alkan maybe.
https://youtu.be/g2NIFZ5k56c
>>63223671
I was going to rec Alkan but I don't really think his music is "folky" enough.
>>63223578
Janacek.
>>63223658
Really wish people on 4chan would stop telling others to kill themselves. It's not healthy.
>>63223543
>Again with the arbitrary opinion based off of what Chopin "said" rather than what he taught.
DONE WITH /CLASSICAL/ BYE NOW!
>ARBITRARY OPINION
>BASED ON WHAT CHOPIN SAID
>ARBITRARY
>RATHER THAN WHAT HE TAUGHT
>WHICH IS SOMEHOW NOT ARBITRARY EVEN THOUGH THE FORMER IS WRITTEN ON PAPER AND THE LATTER CAN ONLY BE COMPOUNDED FROM MULTIPLE SECONDARY SOURCES
A serious request to the mods:
Please ban this fucking general. It's a cauldron of autism, shitposting, and baiting that is rapidly approaching /b/-tier obnoxiousness with literally not a single redeeming feature.
>>63223829
See ya ass burgers.
>>63223829
Bye, you will be missed. I haven't been amused this much in a while.
>>63223829
The only autism is you two fucking shitters arguing about meaningless shit. Please just leave so we can resume actually talking about music.
>>63223669
This Chopin discussion is pretty amusing, I don't know about you.
Besides, it was doomed from the start, with lack of direction and polypositng.
>>63223863
They were talking about music, though. Well, more accurately one was being a screaming man child and the other seemed calm enough.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having a discussion about performance practice, and it's not like we couldn't resume any other discussion if people actually wanted to.
I'm trying to into Ramaeu right now, personally. Don't know if this is a good recording but I'm liking it so far. Extremely colorful music.
>>63223863
>tfw you grab a recording expecting nothing special from the interpretation and it's great
>>63223950
kek, if SDF were here he would have a few not-nice things to say about Minkowski. haven't heard that one myself though.
try Dardanus, Castor et Pollux, and Les indes galantrs
>>63224033
If SDF were here he'd have a field day with all this polyposting and the Chopin autist.
>>63223863
It really is meaningless.
>>63223945
>>63223950
When he said
>Also, I suspect that 55/2 interpretation I posted is truecrypt's.
I almost lost it. It takes an incredible degree of autism to flat out try to guess the performer, let alone one that I've participated in online discussions with about piano interpretations.
>>63223950
>>63224033
Rameau doesn't get enough love here. I've only seen SDF and maybe a couple Anons shill him frequently.
Are there any good English classical composers?
>>63224084
sadly most of the people i've recommended him to are off-put by his operas that are usually front-loaded with a lot of dialogue.
there's always the orchestral excerpts and keyboard works though.
>>63224033
What recording, anon
>>63224084
I've never really heard Rameau honestly. I hope to give him a listen before I go to sleep.
>>63224110
Ralph Vaughan Williams is great and Holst has a few good pieces (The Planets, Japanese Suite, St. Paul's Suite, Edgon Heath, Ode to Death)
>>63224084
I haven't heard much Rameau myself but I liked what I've heard. Maybe I'll listen to one of his operas some time.
>>63224110
Purcell, Britten, the list goes on...
>>63224132
Neuhold's Ring
one of the most pleasant surprises i've had.
>>63224121
Yep, it's a lot easier to recommend his other stuff.
>>63224145
As with above anon, if you find his operas hard at first try his other works. Rameau was really a master of all forms.
>>63202703
Yo man, I ain't even that big of a fan of classical music compared to say, progressive rock or jazz fusion. But even I gotta admit that Beethoven's Horn Sonata is fucking beautiful man.
>>63202703
And hey don't diss Frank Zappa. I'll fuck you up. Was recently listening to Jazz From Hell.
>>63201662
Woah there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTNX6arJKUY
>>63224307
Never even heard it, checking out now
Holy shit what happened to this thread?
>>63224110
They're mostly Renaissance or 20th century:
Taverner, Fayrfax, Byrd, Tallis
or
Delius, Bax, Ferneyhough, Britten, Finnissy, Birtwistle, PMD.
>>63222990
I like Chopin though... nothing wrong with some bel canto influenced right hand arias to relax to. Some great chromatic writing and lyricism.
>>63223347
>I don't like Bach.
why the fuck not?
>>63223367
I've been either asleep or at work for the last 18 hours though...
>>63224771
Actually poly, as the Descartes memer I'm pretty sure it wasn't you. >>63222911 was a stale and obvious imitation of your true memeing capability.
Also
>ferneyhough
>>63224754
Never listened to this work before.
>>63224827
If it was actually poly it would've been Mahler 5.
>>63224842
Nah I think any sane person would say Mahler 5 is his best. I saw the Charlotte Symphony play it live and was amazed.
>>63224947
It has nothing to do if the symphony is good or not...
>>63224947
9 > 2 > 6 > 8 > 4 > 5 > 7 > 1 > 3 in my humble opinion.
>>63224966
I never said it did familia. I just stated that I liked it and the fact that I saw it live was branching off of what I said before.
Can someone rec me something similar to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkICkf8e1GA
>>63224827
Ferneyhough is cool, honestly
I dont see much point arguing about or discussing Chopin. He wrote some very nice piano music, either listen to it or dont, but there isn't much to discuss. Bach on the other hand... endless threads of discussion even in one piece.
>>63224842
Mahler 5 is pretty tasty, but I think I'm over it. got over my Mahler phase in about 2011.
Enjoying listening to some more Schnittke recently. Symphony no. 8 was pretty good. Dynamics make it kind of shitty to listen to on a stereo. Sometimes its in the pp sections where he really shines. Apart from that have only really been listening to renaissance vocal music and a bit of baroque harpsichord.
Some nice modern pieces released on SOUNZ recently, part of a reflections of Lilburn project. pieces written just last year
https://vimeo.com/153705795
>>63225222
Hey poly I can't believe I am asking you of all people for recs, but can you recommend any Schnittke most similar to his Requiem and most different from his Concerto Grosso No.1? I don't like the shitty meme style he uses in Concerto Grosso. Please don't say Concerto for Piano and Strings either, I've heard that hundred times.
You know, one advantage those old meme recordings of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas have over the newer ones is the dry acoustic present in a lot of them. I cannot for the life of me find a satisfactory recording that doesn't make me want to kill myself because of how wet the acoustic is. Holy fuck, is it so hard to not record in a cave? I don't want to hear a super echo-y violin.
>>63225282
Have you tried symphony No. 2?
The Choir Concerto, perhaps Minnesang?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_tdeywdNAk
Its tough to find choral music from Schnittke as he knew he couldn't get it performed under USSR. Even the requiem was only originally performed as background music for a the play "Don Carlos" at the Moscow Mossovet Theatre in 1975.
>>63225341
Did you like Grumiaux's 1961 version? it still has some reverb, but I would argue that was the way its supposed to be played: in a hall with some natural reverb. I'm not sure if a dry violin playing some very demanding and at times grating material would sound as good as you imagine it. You need some reverb to soften and fill out the sound, especially the high runs. A bit of natural decay in an acoustic space allows mere notes to become lyrical and for the implied harmonies inherent in the melodic writing to present themselves more fully.
>>63225519
I just listened to Nagasaki, which despite being too Shostakovichian for my taste was actually really amazing. Also I have heard his Choir Concerto but not the Minnesang. Will give Symphony 2 a listen and hope it's not memeshit
