How the hell do you listen to music?
I can't pay attention to a whole song, let alone an album, minus random lapses of time where I mystically am focused on the music, I otherwise can not focus on this shit.
There's almost zero stimulation. Be it poppy dance music or long winded "gorgeous" experimental music. No difference. All have no engagement.
But I know most of your secrets.
Most of you are fake as fuck and put on albums while browsing /mu/ or doing something else.
Most of you are no different than me, music provides little to no stimulation for you.
So you guys instead give music half-assed listens by having it playing while you are focused on something else.
That is not listening. You are phonies.
Admit it, outside the prodigal few of you who can perfectly focus on whatever they want, you can not listen to music without being focused on something else that stimulates you.
Maybe it's because you're an underaged faggot and you need to lurk moar
musicians have to focus on playing their instruments while listening to the backing tracks or other instruments playing in the same room
i guess they're phonies too
>>63112195
/thread
Origidesu
>>63112195
I've been on here longer than you.
And even if I haven't, I've been on here for years.
Fuck you.
The "lurk moar" does not apply here at all. I have never seen in all my years on /mu/ any discussion related to this.
And I am factually not underage, so you automatically lost this whole argument.
You seem to be projecting your own feelings onto alot of other people.
Music strongly moves me, both emotionally and in a body rhythm way.
>>63112215
Troll.
>>63112214
You are truly foolish.
Playing music is far more stimulating than listening to it, also I even took into account the exceptions.
>outside the prodigal few of you who can perfectly focus on whatever they want,
Clearly you did not read my whole post.
If I can browse /mu/ while listening to it, odds are it's not "complex" enough to require a lot of attention. Otherwise I'll probably feel the need to just recline and think about it a bit, like relax and close my eyes.
>>63112237
Once again, see >>63112248
as well as my original post.
>outside the prodigal few of you who can perfectly focus on whatever they want,
If you have the mystical ability to sit down and listen to music without partaking in anything else and you do not get forced into being lost in thought like I do then you are one the prodigal few.
you should get tested for lead poisoning mate
>>63112272
If you can truly just sit and close your eyes and magically be focused on the music then you are part of the prodigal few.
>>63112278
We're all prodigies except you, then. Quit being a little bitch and either learn how to listen properly or fuck right off
With an album I really like, I will usually do an active listening session every couple of months depending on the album.
Other than that, its usually an accent to work or internet browsing or driving.
I do not think this is some sort of prodigious ability, as i have severe focus issues.
What exactly is the point of this thread? Anger at yourself for not being able to focus your attention? I can understand that sort of frustration.
>>63112139
>thinking there is one right way to listen to music
There isn't one right way fro me, let alone every single person out there. Yeah sometimes I do nothing but lie there and listen to and concentrate on the music but way more often it's on in the background like it is now and I enjoys just as much enjoyment form both
>>63112297
You do not understand. I have vigorously tried to focus on music for years to no avail. It is a mental problem. But if you think there is not a large population of /mu/ that just plays music while doing other things then you are the one who needs to lurk more.
>>63112287
I should be tested for that and many things.
I line in the U.S.A. though, so not doctor for me.
>>63112295
Everyone can meditate. Active listening is a skill to be practiced, not a natural ability
>>63112339
Do you ever try mindful meditation?
I know how truly frustrating and hopeless is feels to not be in control of your attention. i still dont have complete control.
>>63112215
>Origidesu
You've obviously been browsing /r9k/ for too long. Get >>>/out/
>>63112339
So what's wrong with being "fake as fuck" then? If we're fake and you can't listen to music either, then quit pretending you're better than everyone else, you autist.
>>63112334
See? Thank you for being honest. I have no qualms with you. You have spoken nothing but the truth.
And yes, I am very frustrated with my inability to pay attention given the years of effort I have put into it. So you can imagine when people on here tell me to "learn how to listen properly or fuck right off" how that might infuriate me. But I guess if they say that from a troll perspective then mission accomplished for them.
>>63112337
You may enjoy it just as much, but you can not act like you are truly focusing on it if you are here on /mu/ or doing anything else. It is like having a movie on while playing a video game, you can NOT honestly say you actively and wholly watched that movie if you were playing a video game at the same time. No matter what.
>>63112295
It's not "focusing" on it, more just listening to it in a way that makes sense. You don't concentrate on trap music to enjoy it, you just blast it on speakers, get intoxicated, and have fun.
If you ever try and listen to ambient or experimental music like early AnCo or Black Dice just for fun and it doesn't appeal to you at all, it's likely you're listening to it in an unfitting way. Just think about how the artist would have intended you to hear the song and try to replicate those conditions.
>>63112139
you have adhd faggot
>>63112355
I know. I have practiced for years to no avail.
>>63112393
I have tried for years. No progress.
>>63112397
Who is pretending? The difference is I am honest and many of you lie.
You can't put on an album for the first time and browse /mu/ and be posting about the album like you are truly getting some spot on listen in. You are getting a very rough unfocused bullshit "hearing" in. Yes, I can not focus for shit but I do not go on /mu/ and act like I know everything about an album I tried to listen to once.
Also
>autist
You are being very outdated.
>>63112436
Who doesn't? Outside of the prodigal few, that is.
>>63112428
Are you saying I should try using music as a tool of atmosphere more rather than just sitting and attempting to listen to it?
>>63112272
>>63112295
cringe ;-)
>>63112248
>playing music is far more stimulating than listening to it
oh, so you play an instrument, yet you can't focus on what you're playing
all musicians must not be part of this "prodigal few" you're categorizing them in
>>63112510
Music isn't literature, it doesn't require a lot of active thought to fully enjoy. The difference between listening to a standard album while browsing /mu/ and while doing nothing are negligible.
>>63112406
>"learn how to listen properly or fuck right off"
Most people who respond with such flippancy dont understand what it means to have reduced control over what your mind is thinking about.
You're correct. A vast majority of music listeners do not actively listen to their music.
You have to understand that the way you designed this thread lead to people being smarmy and hostile.
>>63112479
You keep saying years, but I'm willing to bet you're still very young. Dedicate yourself to self mastery. Perhaps explore psychiatric help. Medication is out there, and even just talking to someone can make leagues of difference. We're all going to make it, but only if we ALL make is
>>63112479
Okay, for sake of argument i'll assume that all your points are correct and not outright fallacious in your assumption of our listening habits.
Go post this thread on /tv/, /lit/, /v/, /sp/, and any other board that involves consumption of media, because they're liars too, then. And while you're out there, go to /hm/ and see if one of them can take that rock hard dick out of your upper intestine.
>>63112542
You are taking half of what I say and ignoring the other half.
If you are playing music, you can pay attention to it. Wholly. Entirely.
If you are just sitting somewhere listening to music then you must be a member of the prodigal few (or many, to be honest) that can focus on it.
>>63112545
>it doesn't require a lot of active thought to fully enjoy
This is an inaccurate blanket statement. There is music that doesnt require much processing and isnt meant to. There is also much music that invites intensive analysis.
There is no such thing as a standard album.
>>63112622
Sure, then the average album that's posted about on /mu/. Pick something out of the catalog on any given day and odds are listening to it will not require much focus at all.
>>63112665
True, most music can be appreciated at a "face value" level because unlike visual art, you can look at whatever you want while you take in the audio.
It helps that our brains are specifically wired to give alot of processing bandwidth to both visual and auditory systems
>>63112406
no you can't say you've truly watched a movie if you played Call Of Duty through it.
But you can honestly say you watched even if you ate popcorn through it, or tried to grab some of your gf's tit during the slow parts.
quit being so ridiculously extremist in your arguments.
When music is on at work and I'm busting ass and arguing with co-workers, yeah I'm not able to really devote myself to it (still glad it's on though) but I can easily shitpost o /mu/ and pay attention to music, especially familiar music. It's not like if I hear something interesting and attention worthy in it I can't stop typ
Don't be a faggot, if you want to really "listen" to an album close your eyes and dont do any other shit.
Drugs help too
>inb4 D U D E
>>63112735
Why you gotta call him a faggot though
Focusing on an album is actually not hard to do for most people. What you call the "prodigal few" is most people, especially most people on here. Just because it's impossible for you, that doesn't mean it must be for everyone. Most of us are telling you it's just you and that it's not hard for most people to concentrate on an album rather than just have it in the background, but you're not believing us, instead you're just accusing us of lying every time we say something you don't think is true, despite the fact that you have no evidence to back up your claim. You can't say that since there are frequent posts on /mu/ about what someone is listening to at the moment, those people must therefore only ever listen to music while browsing /mu/ (or doing other things), because guess what—a person can sometimes listen to music and do nothing else at the same time, focusing solely on the music, and then sometimes go on the internet and go on /mu/ or whatever and have music playing in the background. It's not like people can only ever be one or the other, either a multi-tasker or a dedicated listener who focuses solely on the music. But regardless of whether the majority of /mu/ is one or the other or both, the fact is, most people CAN do either. It's might be hard for you, but it's really not that hard for normal people. I've been doing it for years, just sitting there, doing nothing else, listening actively and intently to the music I'm listening to, with my eyes closed. Sure, a lot of people don't do this, and they just have it on in the background while they do something else—but I seriously doubt that it's only a prodigal few who are ABLE to do it. I feel bad for you that you can't, though. That must suck.
>>63112724
>But you can honestly say you watched even if you ate popcorn through it
This is a good point
You don't like music OP.
Or you don't like the music you listen to.
I have ADHD, as someone suggested on the thread already.
I have problem finishing games, i get really distracted with movies, and same thing happens with music.
Also, i can't remember last time i finished a book, not because i dislike reading, but because i start so many of them.
You just need to form a strong opinion on music you enjoy.
You have to find music you can listen to, and just enjoy it.
Focus =/= Listen
You can listen to music without focusing on it.
It doesn't make you a phony, only retarded people have to focus on music to enjoy it.
First listens can get you distracted, because you aren't familiar with the sound or the style, when you're new to listening music.
Just close your eyes for 6 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwQeZh6rP0
It's not that hard OP.
If you're having trouble just listening to music, maybe you're just getting distracted by other things, which isn't bad.
Going for a walk while listening to music is something i like to do.
If you know your neighborhood, you can't really get distracted, just focus on walking, spending some time with the music, if you don't dislike the music, but you aren't enjoying it either, you just need more repeated listens to make up your opinion. And that is where going for a walk helps, you can just focus on the action of walking while you listen to the music.
At some point you're going to form an opinion on this song or album, and if it's a positive one, there's no reason for you to not sit and listen to it for a while.
If you live alone and aren't scared of looking like a faggot, just sing or dance.
I like to dance to Death Grips.
Or just, follow the music, i don't know, i don't look at myself when i dance like a faggot.
>>63112735
No, no, no no no no.
Also "D U D E", what?
Please read the thread. I try consistently to close my eyes do nothing else but listen to the music. I fail miserably. My thoughts aggressively take my attention away from the music and I can not control it. Or at least I have not been able to in my years of trying.
Drugs hardly help. Well, I guess it might depend on the drug.
I smoke weed but all weed does is amplify however you already feel. So if I am ADD as fuck when listening to an album, then smoking weed will make me MEGA-ADD as fuck while listening to an album.
>>63112139
This is the first time i've been on /mu/ in like 5 years, before 4chan I used to collect/listen to music all day as a teen and do psychedelics,
I didn't have a life back then. I would actually enjoy music and sit in one spot with a stack of cds and a walkman for 5-6 hours.
I don't care about music anymore unless i'm drunk. I stopped browsing /mu/ after people stopped using mediafire.
>>63112810
If you are a young adult, please seek out an ADHD specialist. You'll thank yourself later. ADHD brains are extremely powerful, but like a sports car, they must be driven with skill or you will crash or worse, burn out the clutch on the start line
>>63112765
It does suck. And I already changed my tune to yours earlier in the thread. I said that it is actually the prodigal majority, jokingly. Basically I'm bitching about my ADD.
>>63112809
I like a lot of what you said. But sadly, I have listened to tons and tons of music and I like most of what I head. Really, I do.
But thank you for the post, a lot of why I can't let myself be free and dance or anything like that, or blare music out my speakers like I'd want to, is because I don't have any privacy. I am not underage but I am 19 and am in college and sadly I have not moved out.
>incoming insults
I know, I know. But it's the fact of the matter.
I have zero freedom.
>>63112764
Idk
>>63112810
Wow that just sucks
I know it'll sound retarded but maybe meditating can help you draw yourself away from your thoughts..?
>>63112880
I live in the U.S.A, I can receive no health assistance. You are giving the advice I want to take the most, but I do not live in any other major country in the world.
>>63112943
Meditating is the highest recommended treatment I get from people online.
I believe in meditation for most people, really I do.
But I've overthought it. See, meditation is attempting to sit in perfect silence. Mental silence. So that you do not get caught up in narrative lines of thought.
But the problem is I am self-aware.
When I am attempting to not think of something, I am thinking of not thinking of something.
If I sit still and am attempting to hold myself down to my core, then I am thinking of holding myself down and just feeling myself. I am constantly thinking.
Meditation requires on to trick themselves into thinking they are not thinking, but they are thinking about not thinking.
>>63112944
fuck all that bullshit.
You want cheap help with any 'mental issue' find a bar with a friendly bartender and cheap beer. Better, cheaper and more fun that any expensive 'therapist' 'specialist' or 'psychologist' etc
>>63113024
Hehe, I admire your attitude. But mental health is very real, my friend.
Not that your advice does not sound delightful, it really does.
>>63112944
I also live in the US. Just to let you know, getting an actual diagnoses of ADHD takes a intensive and EXPENSIVE psych test.
>>63113013
I had this very same problem with silent meditation. Guided meditation tracks are very helpful in this. Try an app called Headspace. 10 minutes of guided meditation every day.
I've been trying to manage my own ADHD unassisted for as long as i can remember.
I know your pain and frustration.
Self mastery is power and is its harder to earn for us. But when you have it, you have it forever. Stay strong.
>>63113110
Isn't it great how only the elite can receive proper healthcare?
I'm going to try that app you recommended, thanks.
I can definitely pay attention to songs on their own, as I often shuffle play a playlist and go from different genre to genre, so that it doesn't get old for me. But listening to multiple songs from the same album in a row, unless I really like the album just completely zones me out and makes me bored, which is why I rarely listen to albums in full. I just choose the song I'm in the mood for.
>>63113222
We're all chattel these days. We just have to operate within those bounds as well as we can.
