kanye sucks, why he's so popular on /mu/?
>>62541489
>kanye sucks
greetings reddit
because kanye acts like a /mu/tant if he got access to money and fame.
>>62541489
Because he's actually a real nice guy who came from the bottom and is literally living the dream of a lot of /mu/tants, he's also got a lot of shit in his mind like a lot of people here. His music is not bad, either.
>>62541489
>kanye sucks
Greetings, Reddit!
>>62541489
WHAT THE FUCK
The man releases the Love Supreme of our generation and you give him this shit. Fuck off!
>>62541569
fixed
>>62541489
I'd like to think there's a meaningful reason, but really it's just run-of-the-mill contrarianism.
I've been trying to find out about this for some time now...
he is extremelly generic and boring and to top it off, he is a huge jerk.
Is everyone being ironic or something? I can't understand how a forum that praises Miles Davis, Can and Fugazi can fanboy over such an idiot.
Also, Death Grips... Do people actually like them or are they being ironic as well? (I love them, but I occasionally get a feeling it is a big joke on /mu/)
>>62541638
>Miles Davis, Can, and Fugazi
They're all entry level. Not that Kanye isn't.
>>62541638
>he is extremelly generic and boring
None of his albums are generic in the slightest. Not to mention he's the opposite of boring.
>>62541638
You can call Kanye a lot of things, but generic isn't one of them.
>>62541554
This desu famiglia
>>62541693
What does entry level mean? Can you give me an example of some non-entry bands?
>>62541695
>>62541706
>Kanye isn't generic
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>62541489
BECAUSE HE HAS A NEW ALBUM YOU FUCKTRUCK
>>62541489
Don't believe the hype machine, death of the journalist.
>>62541731
Every single one of his albums basically reinvented hip-hop.
>>62541731
That is a dope counter argument there.
At this point Kanye has gone insane, and we are all just about the ride. MBDTF was his high point now its just wtf will he do next.
>>62541706
How exactly is he not generic? I can't really tell him apart from most other hip-hop. Cypress Hill, Death Grips and cLouddead aren't generic. He is.
>>62541489
Because he's pretentious and ridiculously far up his own ass like /mu/
>>62541727
newfag
>>62541779
The hype is unwarranted, though.
>>62541814
Yes.
But still, can you explain?
>>62541776
That's not even remotely true and you know it.
>>62541779
Ridiculous arguments deserve laughter and ridicule.
>>62541779
Yeezus made MBDTF sound like some primitive stone age shit. That was his true high point and time will prove it.
>>62541727
holy shit did you start listening to music yesterday or what?
>>62541843
Yeezus was second-rate grime shit, how the fuck was it original or innovative?
>>62541783
who the fuck else makes a song about nike dropping you?
did u not forget BILL COSBY INNOCENT
New album is bad and desperate sounding. He should feel bad and desperate.
>>62541815
He is a character, and his older stuff was genuinely good. Honestly I kind of feel the same way about AnCo. I love the guys for their older stuff, and their new stuff fucking sucks, but I have to convince myself I like it.
>>62541878
>Yeezus was second-rate grime shit
shut the fuck up oh my god
>>62541929
Great argument retard.
Burden of proof is on you to explain how Yeezus was original or innovative besides NUH-HUH IT'S INNOVATIVE FOR A TOP 40 ALBUM.
>>62541783
>How exactly is he not generic?
Show me albums that sounded like Late Registration or 808s before they came out
>>62541878
How the fuck was the brickwalled, ear-fatiguing, self-indulgent MBDTF better than the raw and emotional Yeezus? Less is more, Yeezus will age better and is a better album.
>>62541489
because he's a joke
>>62541783
Every one of his albums has a wildly different sound, though. 808s and Graduation are nothing like LR and CD, and Yeezus sounds nothing like any of them. To say "I can't really tell him apart from most other hip-hop" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
>>62542061
MBDTF is a great hip-hop album.
Yeezus tries to branch out but fails horribly in literally everything.
>>62542061
The grandiose My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Roc-A-Fella, 2010), that basically reversed the path of the previous two albums, was hailed as an epochal masterpiece by the press but mostly because of what it represented (a diligent adoption of all "cool" stereotypes of the time), and not necessarily because of what it sounded like. This overcrowded album certainly brought together West's arrangement ambitions in a pompous and multifaceted manner, feeling more like a Wagner symphony than a hip-hop album. By applying the lessons of all his masters (Jon Brion, Kid Cudi), West came up with a better focused and integrated music/text melody/rap message in the anthemic and dreamy chant of Dark Fantasy and in the driving and hypnotic lament of Gorgeous. This method achieved a new peak of pathos in Power, a terrifying variation on King Crimson's futuristic anthem 21st Century Schizoid Man. The level of sophistication increases with the electronic effects of Hell Of A Life, in which West's vocal line mirrors a vintage Black Sabbath bass line. The way Lost In The World transitions from a delicate litany to a jovial dance (employing Bon Iver's very non-jovial melody Woods) is spectacular.
I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE 53 MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT
I FOUND A WAY, I FOUND A WAY
>>62542152
>>62542061
At the same time West displays his knack as a director of voices, arranging them in sequences and layers to obtain maximum dramatic effect. Hence All Of The Lights (boasting eleven guest vocalists), a quasi-house number over thundering convoluted percussion, with trumpet fanfares and a melody reminiscent of DHT's Listen To Your Heart. Hence Monster, a parade of vocal actors (Bon Iver, Jazy-Z, Rick Ross) culminating with a terrific machine-gun performance by Nicki Minaj suspended in time. The succession of vocal registers (Prince Cy Hi, Jay-Z, Pusha T, RZA, Swizz Beatz) sculpts the elegiac lulling sinister soothing So Appalled. A polyphony of voices (notably Rick Ross) propels Devil In A New Dress over a languid Pink Floyd-ian symphonic adagio. The music is not only emotionally draining but physicially extenuating as the pieces get longer and longer. The nine-minute Runaway begins with just a ticking piano, transitions to excruciating raps, ends with an instrumental coda of deconstructed chamber music. The eight-minute Blame Game disguises another incursion in chamber music as a soulful Sting-like ballad. The album ends with Gil Scott-Heron preaching Who Will Survive In America over a massive beat. This compendium of rap and soul music of the era is a sinister hallucination of self-destructive impulses.
>>62542061
Yeezus (Def Jam, 2013), designed with an incredible number of collaborators, is a sloppy, awkward and amateurish work despite the impeccable fusion of electronics and vocals, the impeccable collages, the impeccable production. But sound quality is a technological, not an artistic, fact. Daft Punk are responsible for the robotic beat of On Sight and the monster riff of Black Skinhead (one of the catchiest "songs"): cool but nothing we haven't heard before. There are a few moments of pathos: the reggae-like cry of I am a God in a desolate post-industrial soundscape, the gloomy crescendo of the first half of Hold My Liquor (before the misguided synth orgy), the martial trombone fanfares of Blood on the Leaves, and... i struggled to find at least one more. But there are also embarrassingly trivial moments of both mashup and sociopolitical analysis (New Slaves, I'm in It, Blood on the Leaves, and Bound 2, which is simply a lame tribute to soul music) and there is certainly an unusual dose of filler (a four-song EP would have been more appropriate for what West had to say in this album). As a narrative experience, these stories may try something new but it's more a case of a populist bard desperately trying to find something new to say to his followers than a serious discussion on gender and race. As an aural experience, this album feels terribly old, like most granpas when they try to speak the language of their high-school nephews. Maybe this album was only meant as a self-mocking joke?
>>62542152
>>62542184
Fuck off and formulate your own opinion. I like MBDTF but it doesn't come close to the genius of Yeezus.
>>62541776
>Every single one of his album basically reinvented dogshit
Okay, but he still produced dogshit every time. It might be some really unique dogshit, but it still smells awful and came out of an animal's ass.
>>62542241
>genius of Yeezus
see
>>62542220
>>62542246
THIS
>>62541881
>who the fuck else makes a song about your own nauseating consumerism and confusion of wealth with talent?
Literally every single rapper
>did u not forget BILL COSBY INNOCENT
No, I did not forget that. We'll probably have our own Kanye rape story in a couple of years, the guy's an egoistical moron and has no respect for women
>>62542246
That's subjective though.
Whether or not it's "generic" is objectively false however.
>>62542246
Coprophagia is rampant here, hence its success.
>>62542246
wow, very edgy man
>>62542303
No it isn't. Hip hop is objectively lazy music that relies upon plagiarism, simple and repetitive song structures, and appeals to middle schoolers and uneducated minorities. THAT is objective. The genre is a consumer product founded on selling as many records to as many morons as possible, and since it is literally created by stealing the art of other pop musicians, it is by definition generic.
>>62542264
Is that a Christgau review because it sure as hell reads like one. Yeezus is a universally acclaimed album by critics just like MBDTF.
Fuck off and go listen to Rihanna and Fergie on the all of the lights some more, or maybe some Ricky Ross? MDBTF is overblown and didn't age well.
>>62541608
>The man releases the Love Supreme of our generation
Oh, please.
>>62542361
Oh so you don't listen to music, understood
>>62542290
>the guy's an egoistical moron and has no respect for women
just like every person on 4chan.
>>62542361
>this guy thinks buzzing guitars are deep and complex
wow
>>62542379
> Yeezus is a universally acclaimed album by critics just like MBDTF.
Adele is critically acclaimed, does that mean I have to masturbate over her?
>MDBTF is overblown and didn't age well.
MUH WATERED-DOWN INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION FOR TOP 40 KIDDIES WHO FIND GRIME AND EVEN SHIT LIKE DEATH GRIPS TOO *AGGRESSIVE*
MUH 300 LIKE THE ROMANS
>>62542379
>responds to a negative review of Yeezus by one of the most important pop music critics of the past twenty-five years (which you failed to recognize, indicating your unfamiliarity with intelligent music criticism)
>"Yeezus is a universally acclaimed album by critics"
????????
Maybe by morons who don't know any theory, but serious music criticism knows Kanye as a moron popular with high schoolers
>>62542379
>Is that a Christgau review because it sure as hell reads like one
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>>62542361
If this was true then why aren't you a rapper? or better yet just create your own black rapper and make money to produce the music you think is "good"
>>62542152
This reads like it's written by Patrick Bateman.
>>62542469
So this is what happens when you try to formulate your own opinion.
Pick that riveting opinion up on Facebook did you? Fuck off.
>>62542518
There's opinion and there's coprophagia.
You have the latter.
>>62542484
>intelligent music criticism
>some italian nobody who's famous only because he's a meme on /mu/
fuck off
>>62542508
This comic is the truth
>>62542619
>says the nobody
>>62541518
hey
>>62542644
I value the opinion of somebody like Lou Reed over some living meme, thank you very much.
>>62542619
Seriously how old are you? If you're underage it would explain your dick riding fanboyism
>>62542679
>Lou Reed
lmfao
>>62542361
>plagiarism
I don't think you understand what this word means.
>>62542679
But Lou Reed's fucking dead and made a meme album with Metal Licker
>>62542508
the guy who made this comic really really needs to have sex
>>62541569
2010 in a picture
>>62542619
Yeah, I do not get the Scaruffi dick sucking around here. He seems like a pretentious hater.
>>62541569
this hasn't been true for like 3 years
>>62541489
the same reason tyler the creator is so popular on /mu/
12 year olds with bad taste became 17 year olds with bad taste and brought it with them instead of evolving; there is enough of them that agree with eachother and justify one another's taste that they're able to dismiss dissenting voices as haters.
but i don't think kanye sucks. i mostly find him unremarkable and don't listen to him other than in passing.
anyway, /mu/ is a shithole and kanye/of/dg demographically are major contributors to this fact as their interest in music is stuck in the image phase.
>>62541595
>came from the bottom
His Mom is on a fucking university board, he's had an upper middle class upbringing.
>>62542950
Hi redit!
>>62541917
go back 2 your own thread
>>62541489
Because he's popular..??
Duh!
>>62542993
Odd Future has pretty much fallen out of favor on /mu/
>>62541489
White guilt faggots
>>62541776
>the guy who made Bound2 reinvented anything
>ever
>>62542993
This
>>62542993
Agreed, /mu/ is basically an echo chamber.
Why do people even like 808s&HB?
>>62542993
>talking about /mu/ as a single entity
/mu/ is not a hive mind you fucking idiot. there's the kpop fags, dg fags, meal fags, etc.
that's how it will always be and kanye sympathizers just happen to be a pretty large group. i mostly blame p4k desu.
>>62542993
Literally no one gives a shit about Odd Future, where the fuck have you been delusional faggot
>>62542994
He was a semi-orphan, his life was hard.
i dont get it
>>62543273
There's still a general consensus, and for the sake of his argument, not generalizing would make no sense. The fact is that apart from OF, his argument is true more often than not.
>>62543349
>general consensus
hardly. I've seen more shit talking about kanye than praise. have you even been on in the last 12hrs?
>>62541489
Because of his /mu/sicianship... You know? You can't be the greatest composer of all time, competing with Bethoven being not ridiculously famous
I agree, I couldn't get into him
I wonder if Kanye's personality would change if he wasn't so popular and revered.
His arrogance is just fed into by the fact that everyone fucking falls over themselves to get everything of his. Hell look at TLOP.
Adele and Taylor Swift have the same reverence and people obsessing over them yet they aren't arrogant at all.
>>62543319
>i've been here 4 months, the post.
>>62543329
>a semi-orphan
So...not an orphan? Fucking twit
>>62541489
redditors come here and sing his praises when his albums leak. real mutants dont think he's that good
they even try to claim kanye is /mu/ and some other shitty rapper as reddit like this faggot >>62541569
but kanye is more reddit and twitter than eminem is and his faggot fanbase is trying to make him seem hip
>>62543634
>real mutants dont think he's that good
speak for yourself nigger
>>62543698
go back to twitter faggot
Regardless of what you think of him or his music, he produced some of the best hip hop albums of all time.
MBDTF, for instance, is worth 5.5/10.
Face it, he'll always be remembered as the greatest meme of popular music and /mu/ can't take that away from him.
>>62541832
Entry level artists are really famous artists that serve as leeway into a certain genre, for example Miles Davis for be bop, Apex twin for idm, Can for krautrock, Nine Inch Nails for industrial erc.
>>62543634
>real mutants
Fuck off
>>62543588
>i've been here 3 months, the post.
>>62543738
>Face it, he'll always be remembered as the greatest meme of popular music and /mu/ can't take that away from him.
no one is arguing against that. what we're arguing against is the fact that he's a good musician. WHICH HE OBJECTLIVELY FUCKING INST7 SAMPLING OLD SOLUL SONGS AND WRITING A VERSE IN 4 MINUTES ON TOP OF IT WHILE SAYING HAHNNNH AND WHINING ABOUT PEOPLE NOT TAKING YORU SHITTY FASHION SENSE SERIOUSLY IS FUCKING TRASH
REDDIT LIKES HIS SHIT BECAUS EITS CATCHY AND PLEB FRIENDLY LIKE EARL SWEASTSHIRT AND ASAP ROCKY
>>62543734
right after you go back reddit
>people criticizing rap with arguments that look like they came from reddit
>they don't realize Kanye stopped rapping 10 years ago
my keks are in orbit
>>62543845
okay im back, now its your turn faggot
>>62543900
so what you're saying is that kanye isnt a rapper anymore
>>62543916
Haha reddit kiddie thinks he can own it like a faggot owns the word fag
>>62543497
>taylor swift isn't arrogant
I understand what you mean, but she's a bit of a bitch. Sure, a down to earth bitch you could meet in your everyday life, but still kind of a bitch.
>>62543974
im not a reddit kiddie because i dont think the album is worth more than a 5/10
>>62543801
>catchy and pleb friendly
Not since Dark Fantasy desu senpai. If it was, I'd probably be bumping it too from time to time like I bump Future and Migos, but nothing Kanye has done since 2010 has any appeal to me.
>>62544087
But you are one because you browse reddit
>>62541489
half of /mu/ are lessers.
KW is trash
>>62542508
Th-this isn't true!!
I don't understand either, he's overrated shit.
The fact that he got a sticky says a lot about this board's taste
Just saw him on SNL, absolutely horrible.
You should feel bad for liking this shit, and in a few years...you will.
>>62541518
>>62543497
>Adele and Taylor Swift have the same reverence and people obsessing over them yet they aren't arrogant at all.
fucking lel.
>>62541489
>gets respect from the tastemakers that the people who frequent this board listen to as well as mainstream media outlets
>walks the line between "conscious" hip-hop and non-conscious
>muh production even though his production skills are just slightly above average
>pop rap/pop-hop is lowest common denominator for retarded high school and college kids to play at parties and to play for their friends to be seen as "with it" when it comes to music. these are the trend setters in those demographics which largely account for his popularity
>creates a media circus around himself. all the while he talks himself up as being some kind of artistic visionary and musical genius. since he does have average talent, people believe turn around and believe him.
>says edgy shit that kids think is cool and can identify with because they too have a fuck you attitude
its not that hard when you break it down
>>62546512
This so hard. Saved.
