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I have a competition on March 29. What is a romantic etude (for piano) that sounds extremely difficult but isn't too hard to play/learn?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FRYoBy7iT8
Divertimento m8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbbKc1Y6EE
>>62481390
>not bartoks
In what ways is the Shostakovich Cello Concerto difficult?
>>62481010
>starts /classical/ with a dumbass edition
>dead as fuck thread
>>62490227
It's just a dumb thread name. You can post whatever you want.
>>62487830
It has a very distorted rhythm and isn't repetitive in the least.
Can you open the mega links?
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>>62491166
Yup
>>62491166
No, I can't desu.
>>62481363
Try Smetana, Op 17.
Liszt's Three Concert Etudes aren't that bad but you're probably already familiar with those.
>>62491543
Also, Saint-Saens Op. 111, No. 6 is really nice competition piece. Check out the rest of the set, too.
What's the /classical/ consensus on Vivaldi's operas?
There are like 90 of them.
>>62493538
I sung a little bit of his early Orlando opera (that got discovered quite recently) and I've listened to a few others. I've not been overly enamoured with them, but they certainly have a certain charm.
>>62493656
What's your favorite operas of other composers?
>>62493538
his instrumental music is all that matters
>>62493904
Pretty broad question.
I've been enjoying Szymanowski's Krol Roger quite a lote of late, and I've somehow managed to avoid watching a Strauss opera right to the end, so I'm going through them at the moment too.
Ded
>>62495407
I'm just pillaging the MEGA archives at the moment.
>>62491166
Christ, can't we put all of this in a torrent or something? This is gonna take me a month to download it all
>>62481363
>competition
competitions killed classical music
>>62495494
Don't download it all, download an album or two at a time, listen to it properly and decide if you like it or not
>>62495696
That's stupid and will take 10 times as long. I want all of it.
The 160 GB of classical I have isn't near enough.
Carlos's studio Tristan is better than I remember it being.
>>62496525
as far as his studio efforts go it's probably one of the better recordings he made, but it pales in comparison to his recording with the Wiener Philharmoniker in my opinion.
>>62496730
I haven't listened to much of his live stuff, what would you say is worth getting?
>>62497581
any of the stuff that's been released on Orfeo, because those are from original tapes and have been transferred competently.
that includes Beethoven symphonies 4, 6, and 7. all are very good.
i believe there's some Strauss and Verdi (?) on Orfeo as well.
all of his live Tristans (1973, 1974, 1975, 1978) are very good, with the 1973 WP performance being my preference. wish he had performed more Wagner like his father.
he has one of the best Otellos, which i believe was filmed as well (it's on YouTube, not the best video quality).
there's some excellent live Brahms too
really, there's quite a bit of live stuff from Kleiber and almost all of it is worth hearing at the very least, it's never less than good and some of them are among my favorite recordings. his live recordings live up to his reputation better than the studio ones.
>>62497908
i would upload some of his stuff, but my internet is being a shit right now so maybe later.
https://soundcloud.com/sebastienskaf/01-wiosna?in=sebastienskaf/sets/piano-collection-katawa-shoujo
Looking for some relatively simple piano music to study to, something similar to this, any suggestions?
Why is Elektra so good bros
>>62498570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH4j70KU-RQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QV9-l-rXOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii3oEVz1rVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm04Rz3wTk
>>62498722
damn
>>62498667
Strauss still had his edge and wasn't all sugar.
>>62498667
What other Strauss operas are good besides Elektra and Der Rosenkavalier?
What are some more chorales/operas like Penderecki's (kind of spooky) but not as long and redundant?
>>62495978
Have you even listened to all those albums you already have?
>>62498667
What's your favorite performance?
>>62499630
Salome, the shadow one, and the one with Egypt
>>62500453
i forgot to check for existing threads. can someone help me out here
A Jazz nocturne?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moczw_rR-EU
>Doch unsre Liebe, heisst sie nicht Tristan -und- Isolde?
Did Wagner browse /tv/?
>>62493538
I like Rigoletto. Both Pavoratti and Caruso have intact recordings of themselves as the Duke of Mantua.
What if you have to pick just one composer for each country? Do the list
how old is too old to become a classical musician
>>62503641
It's never too old. Why? Are you thinking of it?
>>62503587
Scriabin
Shubert
Wagner
Messaien
Sibelius
Liszt
Bax
>>62503661
I'm a super senior Comp Sci and Math major at a university with one of the best music schools in the world.
I was able to get into a music theory and beginner piano class this semester, and I feel like this is what I've been missing out on my entire life.
I feel like this is something I'd want to dedicate my life to.
>>62503698
>Wagner instead of Beethoven
>>62503698
>Schubert instead of Mozart
>Messaien instead of Debussy
>>62503834
>picking a meme composer over a nazi
>>62503820
If you want to then you should go ahead for it.
>>62503587
Mozart
Tchaikovsky
Offenbach
Verdi
Brahms
Copland
>>62503587
Going from west ---> east (vaguely)
Portugal - Duarte Lobo
Spain - Victoria
Ireland - Stanford
France - Rameau
Scotland - Macmillan
England - Byrd
Belgium - Ockeghem
Netherlands - Sweelinck
Norway - Grieg
Switzerland - Honegger
Germany - Bach
Italy - Verdi
Denmark - Nielsen
Austria - Mozart
Czech Republic - Janacek
Poland - Szymanowski
Hungary - Liszt
Greece - Xenakis
Romania - Enescu
Estonia - Part
Finland - Sibelius
Ukraine - Prokofiev
Russia - Shosti I guess
Murrica - Ives
There are probably a couple of meme nations I've missed out.
>>62495618
Competitions caused great pieces like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO5PxbbB1Rk
To be made so I feel competitions just pumped the need for highly technical players which then sprung up a great amount of non-pattern focused pieces to spawn up and to see who could make the most flashy, but still beautiful piece of music.
>>62503698
>Liszt instead of Bartok
What Enescu pieces should I start with?
Reminder.
>>62505543
I agree, the most popular composer of all time has always been and will always be supremely underrated.
>>62505057
Octet for Strings in C major, Op. 7
Dixtuor in D major, for wind instruments, Op. 14
Œdipe, tragédie lyrique in four acts, libretto by Edmond Fleg, Op. 23
Piano Quintet in A minor, Op. 29
Chamber Symphony, for 12 instruments, Op. 33
>>62505816
okay badass
>>62505846
I just took those from Scaruffi's list lol :P
>>62504944
Or Kodaly.
Can you imagine being canoncucked by that shitter?
Nobody would've cared about Liszt's music if he wouldn't have been a virtuoso (and if it wasn't quintessentially German - scuzzy and boring).
>>62505904
not actually a bad list tho i think include string quartets
>>62505057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxEhnONVGNE
>>62506235
anyone have a mega link for his stuff?
>>62506194
>Hello I have no clue what I'm talking about please laugh at me because I'm very stupid
is basically what you've just said
>>62506406
Please leave, nerd.
Liszt is a meme in the literal sense of the word. His music is a caricature of German "Romanticism" which was already inches away from being a parody of itself, so his only achievement was finally pushing it over the edge.
>>62506406
>>62506747
I'm so sick of bangers.
>>62506194
Wagner was influenced by Liszt. And so were the SVS. Schoenberg in particular.
Yes, the overblown pieces he wrote are not always good (though they do have charisma). But I don't see how any serious music lover can't enjoy his Années de pèlerinage, which is one of the best contributions to the piano.
>>62507128
Pretty much every post-Liszt piano composer has something to owe from him. It amuses me to read how much antiformalism autist hates Liszt when Liszt was one of the primary composers who broke apart the classical forms and harmonies.
>>62505057
probably his Octet. starting from his earlier pieces, and going up to the most mature ones is probably best, he changed quite a bit over the years.
here's a good guide too:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2005/May05/Enescu_part1.htm
though it has some outdated recording recommendations.
>>62506361
i might put one together later.
>>62507971
thanks, looking forward to it
>>62508246
don't expect it soon, for some reason mega doesn't like me and uploads take forever.
>>62507232
Antiformalism autists secretly love Liszt. They just hate him to look cobtrarian and edgy.
>>62493538
He wrote like 30 of them and copy pasted parts into other operas.
That said Orlando Furioso was GOAT
>>62508695
I'm thinking of doing a dissertation based around operas which use the Orlando story in the libretto.
But yeah, both incarnations of Vivaldi's Orlando Furioso (RV728 and 819) are pretty good
>>62508832
>doing a dissertation on music
>>62509220
It'll probably be mainly focused on the literary aspect of the libretto since my degree is modern languages, but it's early days yet
>>62509220
Is...is that Annie Clark?
>>62504516
>Russia - Shosti I guess
end urself
No one probably cares but I don't know where else to share this.
I was listening to the classical radio station on my way home and there was an advertisement about an upcoming Bach concert and I taught to myself "I have yet to explore Bach but that's all they seem to be playing, why won't they play something else like Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff or at least Tchaikovsky..." (I only had Russians in mind) and the advertisement right after the Bach one announced an upcoming concert about "Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff and Tchaikovsky", literally in that order.
Anyway I'm just stoked I'm starting to learn.
Also, where do I go after Rite of Spring?
>>62511070
Nice. It's good that you're picking up on the different composers. I suggest listening to Stravinsky's the Firebird. I like the recording by the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra.
>>62511070
Nice reddit story. Why don't you go back there and take your Rusky pianists with you?
>>62504516
>shost over strav
>liszt over bartok
>janacek over
well that's okay I guess, but Dvorak still has a strong claim
>verdi over monteverdi
>>>>
meemees
kind of related but why does Sweden have jack shit for music?
>>62503587
Italy: Veracini
Germany: Muffat
France: Leclair
England: Purcell
Dutch: Petersen
Spain: Sanz
Czech: Zelenka
Austria: Biber
China: Amiot
Russia: Galuppi
Moldova: Cantemir
>>62511489
S T O C K H A U S E N
>>62511938
Was a German?
Am I retarded? I can play a few pieces on the piano. Some Mozart, fur elise, moonlight sonata, shit like that. I learned them many years ago and can still play them. But this is how I learned them: I can't read music for shit, so I painstakingly "interpreted" the notes from sheet music by myself, memorizing the notes and hand movements themselves over and over until I could play the song. I used the sheet music a bit for sharps/flats and for rhythms/timings, but I mostly relied on my ear from listening to the song. Basically, I would "read" the sheet music once (which took forever) and then memorized how to play the song with my hands, discarding the sheet music as soon as I didn't need it anymore.
Is this a completely retarded way to do it? Like, if I want to learn a more advanced sonata or concerto, is this a completely dumb way of doing it? It takes a long time to "learn" a song, but it seems to be ingrained in my mind forever.
>>62499635
it's not a matter of listening to every single piece, but sampling it randomly. Also a lot of that is lossless Bach
>>62512557
>song
Yes you're retarded
What is the name of the piece that starts around 7:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O32D2ool2nY
>>62512894
darude - sandstorm
>>62512875
pardon me then, I mean piece.
>>62512894
nvm moonlight sonata
>>62512557
Are you me? Anyways, I've started to learn some music theory and I'll write out all of the chords for a piece I'm learning. Once your hands get comfortable learning all of the chords of that key its much easier to read and play since your hands know what notes are good and bad depending on the chord number.
I know what you mean though, sometimes I'll get distracted while playing and then everything goes to shit while my hands go into muscle memory mode.
>>62513288
>then everything goes to shit while my hands go into muscle memory mode.
Why would it go to shit? I'm only able to play in muscle memory mode :(
>>62490814
Ah, I see. Yeah, I was curious why my teacher recommended it when I haven't even gotten to the Saint-Saens yet.
>>62513509
I always have to play with some muscle memory, it's more that I lose my focus and don't put all my energy into the music.
>>62487830
Anyone know where to get the sheet music for this?
>ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN ITS GONNA RAIN
What did he meme by this?
>>62512557
You sound like Pavarotti. According to Conductor Richard Bonynge, he couldn't read music so he did that as well. If you're intelligent enough to memorize the different harmonies without looking at the sheet then that is good but any professional will tell you that being able to read is beneficial.
>>62516895
>If you're intelligent enough to memorize the different harmonies without looking at the sheet then that is good
It's not even a matter of being "intelligent enough", it's literally just muscle memory and then memorizing which parts repeat when. It's exactly what every guitarist does in a band when they play live
But yea I guess reading music would be beneficial. I don't know why I'm so shit at it. I was in highschool band for like 3 years. It's just totally unintuitive to me
Just discovered langgaard, very happy about this.
Are there any composers like bruckner?
One of the requirements being rabid catholicism.
I can't stand the whole mahler crew and all these germans trying to be like mahler.
I need somebody with both gargantuan orchestration and intricately precise polyphonic formality.
I don't want any impressionist stuff, music for me was never a sensation, I want something purely metaphysical; transcendental.
Any ideas?
I've been looking forever.
Should I drop out of music college?
Also name a better moment in any opera in history. You can't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN83SBGSAWg&feature=youtu.be&t=2217
>>62517780
What do you play?
>>62518118
This literally doesn't matter
>>62517780
Is it a prestigious school? If not your degree is worthless
>>62517244
By intelligent I meant muscle memory. I should've been clearer.
>>62493538
I've seen Cato in Utica and it was alright. The arias were very long and the story was just a clusterfuck but other than that it was ok.
>>62517780
>likes Wagner
Drop out of life, retard.
>>62518191
I mean it's pretty presitgious.
In the Top20 acc to US World Report
>>62518357
What college? What major?
I don't see why you would
>>62518310
t. A person cucked by Wagner
>>62518401
its too much stress balancing work and school. the work is just a minimum wage job to put towards school
its so much work and its not the degree I ultimately want. I'm in music ed but I want to be a conductor which means years of shitty high schoolers. at this point I'd rather kill myself.
>>62503820
Just be warned that most music majors won't be good enough to perform professionally.
>>62518310
try listening to it retard
>>62518460
>Music ED
Yeah drop out.
>>62518540
I mean what else path is there for conducting
>>62518407
>implying
>>62518596
composition or performance
>>62518612
I bet he fucked your gf real good nerd
>>62518617
performance? the fuck?
performance is just bullshit technical bullshit there's nothing more Ihate than when I go to a lesson expecting to discuss the interpretation of a piece and the professor's like "open your mouth more like you're sucking a fat dick" like what the fuck
performance is anti-conducting, anti-music
>>62518649
If he did I would've written the Transfigured Night
>>62518829
Kek.
>>62518829
it remember attending a performance of Verklarte Nacht last year and realizing that it was literally cuck music
really coloured the music
>>62518701
But conducting is a performance. Also the only people who'll respect you as a conductor if you can't sing/play well are shitty high schoolers.
>>62518701
yeah, there are a lot of performers that are pretty mindless interpreters of music. It's just that there is some physical technique involved in conducting, it's not purely mental like composition or theory. most conductors are at least fairly competent at an instrument or singing and you need to have that musical skill in order to convey it to an orchestra.
>>62518987
>Also the only people who'll respect you as a conductor if you can't sing/play well are shitty high schoolers.
Name one time a person asked Kleiber to pull out his instrument (assuming violin but haven't ever found out) to play the music how he wanted to hear it.
Conducting isn't related to performance. Technical bullshit is very minor and almost immediatlely shed once you take yourself seriously.
>>62519102
>most conductors are at least fairly competent at an instrument
>>62518987
you both seem to imply that I'm garbage because I'm music ed
my teachers and colleagues have been telling me to do performance for years. and that's not a casual suggestion our studio is very competitive.
I'm not going to lose all my ability because I have an Ed degree. there are people in the Big 5 orchestras with ed degrees.
>>62519125
Kleiber also performed with top virtuoso orchestras his entire life. You won't have that luxury unless you're successful. In all likelyhood you'll be playing with B and C orchestras and to be a succesful conductor these days you need to know how to get them to play properly. That requires having a certain technical aptitude with music itself.
In any case, we don't really know whether or not Kleiber ever had to do something like that because we will never know all the ins and outs of his rehearsals. A lot of conductors sing what they want to hear, though.
>>62519268
>A lot of conductors sing what they want to hear, though.
Yeah but they aren't fucking professionals.
I can do that fine enough.
>>62519125
>Conducting isn't related to performance
what? how the fuck are you going to keep an 80+ piece orchestra playing together if you don't have basic rhythm or a sense of phrasing and melody? how are you going to be able to tell if the 3rd clarinet is out of tune with the contrabassoon? you are conveying information through a sonic medium so it helps to have some knowledge of the realities of performance.
>>62519323
True, I guess.
>>62519430
We aren't talking about your ability to play right now, we're talking about the idea that you don't need technique to be a conductor.
>>62519500
I guess I've never linked my innate musicality to my ability to play an instrument.
there is technique in conducting too. proper cues and eye contact, baton technique, what to do when the orchestra fucks up, etc. not to say you cant do it but if you have no performance experience and you're literally not a musical genius you'll need to put in a good amount of work
I don't know anything about classical, but I really enjoy Jonny Greenwood's work on The Master and Brahams, what should I listen to?
>>62519979
Have you ever listened to any pieces from the Classical Canon? Do you like anything else in particular?
