Classical music is the only legitimate form of music. Despite the countless posts and articles claiming "Classical music is dead" - written exclusively by people who don't listen to it, might I add - it remains the only artistic, boundary pushing artform. Every single "innovation" - EVERY SINGLE ONE - claimed by popular music was done first in classical music.
So why would people say classical music is dead? Really, they mean it isn't marketable anymore. The people who say it is dead are just pointing out that you don't see classical music on Pitchfork anymore, unless it is heavily marketed or commercialized a la Reich, Riley, or Richter. But this is precisely the reason why classical music is not dead and popular music is dead.
Classical music has finally been entirely torn away from the grip of systems of patronage and commercialism. It doesn't matter if you make Serialism or Minimalism, Spectralism or Neoromanticism: if your voice is original and your pieces quality, you will succeed. It's finally environment for the exploration of all qualities of music.
Popular music wishes to have the diversity that classical music has. It's unfortunate that its base of musicians and fans are entirely ignorant.
And literature is the only legitimate form of art.
>>62470967
ok Ame
>>62470995
Nah, literature, visual art, and classical music.
>>62470967
dude aesthetic realism lmao
Why don't you listen to classical music? Serious music is the most nuanced, eclectic, perfect music. All the """advancements""" you see in your popular muzak? yes, done to death with much more finesse and depth in the serious music sphere decades or centuries ago. It just can't compete. The display of knowledge is astoundingly bigger in serious music than in another other music. It's music for the patrician, for the cultured mind. The fact that some plebeians try to "appreciate" it on a gut level is why they are plebeians. They are missing the true beauty and subtlety. Like reading a perfect theorem. The inner workings that make their music so much more advanced and worth of respect than anything penned by a popular musikian.
Patrician music is music of considerable intellectual finesse and technical considerations. The fact that intellectuals gravitate towards it is explained because it's more intellectually stimulating, more patrician. it's not a coincidence AT ALL.
Classical music is popular music and has been since recording was invented
>>62471205
Go on. Support your assertion.
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If I wanted some fucking nerd to lecture me on how badly he wanted to get fucked senseless by Mozart i'd go enroll in a music theory class.
>>62471205
>Born in le wrong generation
Simply epic. Music was so much more serious before technology m'good sir.
too bad it's not fun at parties
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>>62471350
If it's released to the general public in the album format then it's for commercial consumption and is therefore popular music.
>>62471539
>then it's for commercial consumption
There's a difference between "for commercial consumption" and "for a commercial purpose."
Unsuk Chin doesn't write music to make a lot of money or appeal to a wide range of people. She's trying to appeal to people who understand her art.
>be me, an intellectual
>listening to Bach's Mass in B minor
>feeling patrician as fuck
>suddenly younger pleb brother enters my domain
>"What you listening to, bro"
>I take off my antique reading glasses and answer
>"Something your kind would never understand, philistine"
>My pleb brother snatches my wood panel headphones from my head
>"Let's see about that"
>Pleb brother puts on the headphones and exposes him to god's music
>His eyes flares up
>"Is this even in English"
>I take my calabash pipe out of my mouth and smugly say "No"
>Now sweating profusely and with tears in his eyes, the pleb ask one final question
>"Where are the guitar solos"
>I couldn't hold back my laughter and nearly dropped my cup of Earl Grey
>"What solos?"
>Brothers explodes into plebeian dust and fades from my realm
>mfw
>>62470967
I'm going to rape your little ass so hard your granddaughter's granddaughter will be born without a hymen
>>62471606
In that case, a good deal of what is generally considered popular music is actually classical music.
>>62471712
Faust were druggies making rock music, not erudite composed music. Fuck off, kid.
>>62471835
Composed music is a spook
>>62471835
>You can't appreciate Classical and pop
>>62471908
Not erudite composed music.
>>62471965
Did he date a young girl really?
Listen here kiddo
You think you're on level 10 of patriciandom but you're in fact still on the tutorial screen with the pause button in hand so about you comeback here when your mind is expanded by a bit ok kid? Let us heavyweights do the music thing. We won't be going anywhere. We live for this shit. You're just here because we tolerate you. That's the difference between us and you. Now leave.
>>62471061
yeah, aesthetic realism is trash
>>62471835
Since when is that a requirement for something to be considered classical music? Regardless, IIRC one of the members was classically trained and actually composed and directed the majority of their music, but I don't remember which one and I don't have any sources to back it up.
How about Can? It's common knowledge that Czukay and Schmidt studied under Stockhausen, Liebezeit and Karoli were trained jazz musicians and the final product of the music was painstakingly assembled by Czukay in the studio. This whole album is essentially avant-garde tape music.
>>62472255
No. Classically trained != Classical music.
Tago Mago is as dumb as Led Zeppelin.
Ah, yes, Classical music
Back when playing more than one melody at a time was considered masterful
Back when everything had set, rigid, unchallengable structure
Back when music was only allowed to express the gentler qualities of humanity
Back when this was the only accepted genre of music
For centuries
Yes, Classical
Truly "boundary pushing", even to this day
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>>62472583
>Back when everything had set, rigid, unchallengable structure
Stopped there.
people that talk like this are usually the ones that actually have very little music knowledge
>>62472583
dont worry, when composers actually did break out of that mold classical fans will be sure to talk hella shit about it
see the great fugue or come sweet death
>>62472583
>Back when everything had set, rigid, unchallengable structure
>>62472583
you are literally wrong on every single one of your points
fuck off kid
>>62470995
Pretty much everything said in the OP applies to poetry as well.
>>62471952
Folk music sux, people only pretend to like it so they don't seem racist/classist
>>62472657
Faure a top tier qt desu desu senpai
>>62475040
i dont trust anyone's opinion who still uses the word "sux"
Rec art music that versatile and visceral in a percussive way.
>>62470967
What about Baroque music?
>>62470967
Classical music was never marketable. It was music for the aristocracy and nobility, or for the church. The entire notion of marketing it to the masses is contrary to its very nature.
>>62470967
whatever, post more dead classical twinks
>>62472564
>Classically trained != Classical music
I don't remember implying that it does.
>>62471081
>The Stranger on the left
I'm well aware this is trolling but I am also triggered.
>>62470967
Is musique concrete classical music?
>>62470967
>Every single "innovation" claimed by popular music
Wait, does pop music actually claim to be innovative?
wow
>>62472583
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pop music is so much better than classical tho
>>62474948
>by popular music was done first in classical music.
>So why would people say classical music is dead? Really, they mean it isn't marketable anymore. The people who say it is dead are just pointing out that you don't see classical music on Pitchfork anymore, unless it is heavily marketed or commercialized a la Reich, Riley, or Richter. But this is precisely the reason why classical music is not dead and popular music is dead.
>Classical music has finally been entirely torn away from the grip of systems of patronage and commercialism. It doesn't matter if you make Serialism or Minimalism, Spectralism or Neoromanticism: if your voice is original and your pieces quality, you will succeed. It's finally environment for the exploration of all qualities of music.
>Popular music wishes to have the diversity that classical music has. It's unfortunate that its base of musicians and fans are entirely ignorant.
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Nope, poetry is a small circulation literary journal circle jerk. Everyone's trying to climb up the assistant professorship ladder and the audience is exclusively MFA students and other literary journal publishers. The state of the art is either This American Life nonsense, social movement poetry, or Slam. Slam is either bad stand-up comedy or bad hip-hop, but either way it's not poetry.
>>62476765
gould was a qt
>>62480021
too bad about the autism
>>62480041
small price to pay for being a pro pianist
>>62471081
I don't think it's really possible to fully appreciate classical music without engaging with it on an intellectual level; understanding music theory. Like everyone has been saying, it was originally made for aristocrats (and other composers) who understood music theory, and could engage with it intellectually. Of course it doesn't appeal to people who don't or can't understand music theory. A lot of classical music isn't really about sound, or is only about sound in a somewhat shallow way. I'm sure you guys have noticed though, that some pieces (e.g. Moonlight Sonata, most Bach, Chopin's nocturnes, Satie's Gnossiennes/Gymnopedies, most Debussy stuff, etc.) have appeal to the masses. I think this is because they actually sound good and don't need knowledge of music theory to appreciate at a surface level.
Percy Grainger mocked the fetishization of "listening" to music on a purely intellectual level. I don't agree with him, but his irreverence for the canon I think is suggestive of the strange truth that much of the canon of classical music isn't actually sonic art, it's intellectual art. I personally often get a greater thrill from reading a score than listening to it. It's pretty funny.
>>62480108
ahahaha it sure looks pro to spend your day practicing liszt and debussy my patrician friend huehuehueheuheuheuheueh
>>62480434
>A lot of classical music isn't really about sound, or is only about sound in a somewhat shallow way.
Controversial.
