Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical. There's so much more you can DO with metal, than say, R&B or hip hop. At least instrumentally and thematically.
Can you imagine a pop song about vikings or dragons? One with an extended instrumental section?
>>62451682
>Can you imagine a pop song about vikings or dragons? One with an extended instrumental section?
Yes.
Can you imagine a metal song with something other than electric guitars and drumkits?
>>62451682
oh jeez guys we can't have a song about some fantasy shit pack up and go home it's over
Yeah but consider this
If metalfaggots would stop having the most embarrassing fucking aesthetic like your OP image maybe I would like it more
>muh edge
Some metal is excellent but most is shit. It'd be better if it weren't the most fedora genre
Also classical shredding is vastly more impressive than metal shredding, the skill levels are hardly comparable
>>62451682
metal is like jazz except for kids
>>62451682
I think contemporary orchestral music is the closest you get to classical, let me know if I'm wrong.
>>62451927
And Jazz is like classical for fedoras
>>62451927
>>62451682
>when people compare Metal to Classic Period art music
>when people compare Metal to Jazz
>>62451949
But classical is for fedoras
>>62451682
And this kinda shit is why, when the Poptimist Putsch comes, metalheads will be first into the death camps.
>>62451739
>Can you imagine a metal song with something other than electric guitars and drumkits?
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79nyUp9ugTE
ITT: People pretending to act like they know their shit.
>>62451682
Way to bring up shallow comparisons. I even agree with you on the classical comparison, too.
>>62451807
>I care more about image than the actual music
>>62451868
>Also classical shredding is vastly more impressive than metal shredding, the skill levels are hardly comparable
Another often way people think classical and metal are similar but really aren't. Overtly shreddy metal is boring to hell and back because they think the similarities to metal and classical are direct.
>>62451927
Not at all. Django is the one in jazz with the huge influence on metal and even then what metal took from his kind of jazz wasn't something that was all around all over the place in jazz.
>>62451944
Depends. Contemporary orchestral music is a huge umbrella of stuff where you are possibly true or far away from the truth.
>>62452037
Is that really a metal song, or just a couple of retards screaming over a Vangelis outtake?
>>62451682
can you imagine a classical piece about vikings or dragons?
>>62451682
pasta is successful, way to go OP
>>62452100
>ITP: i'm a huge faggot
I would argue that gothic swing country is the real modern incarnation of the classical masters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9_nsN7wRJc
>>62452199
Wagner
>>62452199
you mean like Ride of the Valkyries
>>62452400
>gothic swing country
I can't even get myself to play that link
>>62452473
topkek
>>62452189
The ignorance is strong with this one
> Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical.
Yeah Nah m8 desu
>>62451944
Porpoises genuinely do look like dolphins with downs syndrome
>>62452100
Django doesn't have a "huge" influence on metal
Ghost isn't metal. Gtfo you fucking hipster metal liking faggot. You're the new nu-metal kid.
>>62451682
>Joanna Newsom
>>62451682
Are you serious man? the closest genre to classical? Dude you need to check out some of Charles Mingus's later stuff or miles davis' the birth of cool. Way way closer to classical than any metal I've heard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4X7W4FYCSg
Pretty sure metal is much closer to pop music than either such music is to classical music.
Metal grew out of pop music, which emerged from blues ... negro spirituals ... folk songs ...
And what about classical song cycles?
>>62454424
Jazz hinges much, much more heavily on improvisation (which isn't foreign to metal).
Birth of the Cool is pretty poppy, like most 'cool jazz'
>>62452995
>that unsubstantiated elitism
Closest thing to a trilby vs fedoras discussion you'll find in music.
>>62451682
>this faggot thinks classical music is about vikings and dragons
maybe if you listen to a shitfag nazi like Wagner.
most classical music is about either:
>Jesus is just, so fucking cool you guys
>my country is a hard ass motherfucker. we win wars (by the grace of god)
>that woman is gorgeous and everybody wants to fuck her
therefore, thematically, the genre most similar to classical is actually pop country.
and since technical ability, which you call "mechanical" for some reason, is not in any way linked to genre, that means the most like classical of all genres is Billy Ray Cyrus.
>>62454596
Well I don't think popular appeal is a factor. Improvisation is just a difference between the genres that sets them apart (like distorted guitars set classical and metal apart) but in terms of composition and instrument choice and overall aesthetic, I think Jazz borrows much more heavily from classical music than metal
>>62451682
>vikings or dragons
Most classical composers saw germanics/ scandis as unwashed bix noods. It's all about those romans and greeks son.
>>62451682
Obvious Troll.
Classical is closest to classical. And there are lots of variations on that genre. From Spanish guitar to organ works. Objective classical music is the most diverse and creative genre of all times. So don't even try to compare it.
>>62454696
This is a good post.
>>62454806
>I think Jazz borrows much more heavily from classical music than metal
Well, sure, but that's not what you said. That's more of a temporally necessitated fact.
Jazz grew out of pop music, too. Hell, it WAS pop music. Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, the list could go on. And not just based on popular appeal, although it was (in the West) the most popular style of the first half of the 20th century, but rather basic compositional structure and molding for marketing.
>>62454887
That's not particular true either. Classical music like ie operas give romantic views of ancient times. Just take Richard Wagner as an composer that loved Germanic myths. On the other hand there was also a lot of working on greek theatre. In conclusion there isn't a final answer on that.
at 14:47, Sam Dunn in his Metal a headbanger's journey documentary linked classical and metal together.
its only 4 minutes
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v685505rXnwF9ze
>There's so much more you can DO with metal
>song about vikings or dragons
I'm fucking dying
put on another blind guardian LP while the world moves on without you, OP
>>62454899
I know all that, what im saying is that the fact that its popular doesn't matter when you're comparing the genres to see which is closer to classical
>>62454990
>what im saying is that the fact that its popular doesn't matter
>And not just based on popular appeal ... but rather basic compositional structure
>>62455019
Still not addressing what I'm saying..........
>>62455050
You're not saying much to begin with, and what you've said is wrong.
>>62455075
How so?
>>62451682
>Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical.
not really. Classical is art music. Metal is popular music written by untrained plebs with distorted guitars. You'll find metal songs aren't any more ambitious with their harmony than your average radio pop song. hell even Backstreet boys have more interesting harmonies than metal. Probably due to max martin being classically trained.
Anything you can do with one genre, you can do with another. Metal isn't inherently better at communicating ideas than any other genre, in fact, its much much worse, due to most people not understanding the lyrics due to screaming.
Metal lacks the clarity of classical music, hell even of pop music. Its all 1 dymamic (maybe 2 if you count acoustic interludes) and the distortion removes clarity from the notes being played. Its called distortion for a reason, it distorts the sound. Sure, its and interesting timbre, but after the 80s it had pretty much been done. more interesting timbres exist, and more instruments exist than guitar, bass, keyboards and vocals.
Just remember: metal IS popular music: its stored primarily on recordings, and packaged to be easily sold as a consumable. Running a successful metal band is about running a business, and about profits. Its not about writing good music, its about writing another album that wont disappoint the fans, so they'll buy it and pay your bills.
Not many metal artists study music, those who do benefit greatly, but its mostly a genre of meatheads with little knowledge past "riffs" and power chords. They can play fast, they can play in time, but they lack the skills to make their music into what I would call "art".
I fronted a death metal band for 10 years and have a music degree. I know both the metal and classical worlds.
There's no such thing as one genre being able to do more than another dude...
There are pop songs about vikings and dragons and there are metal songs about love.
>>62455251
>metal IS popular music
kek
>its stored primarily on recordings, and packaged to be easily sold as a consumable
as opposed to what? hearing it once live and then playing it over and over again in my head?
>Running a successful metal band is about running a business, and about profits
>metal
>profits
Kek II
> its about writing another album that wont disappoint the fans, so they'll buy it and pay your bills
this implies that you play metal for a living. the only "metal" you can make a living off of is "-core" metal.
>>62451682
but Ghost BC is not metal, anon, it's pop
>>62451927
and dubstep is like jazz, except with fart sounds
>>62451682
And yet the community sucks hard.
>>62451868
>Also classical shredding is vastly more impressive than metal shredding
BULLSHIT
>>62451682
>Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical
No it's really not.
Metal is rock, rock is the blues which is black spiritual and folks songs
Explain how. metal is close to classical? It has it's basis in the sonata form alright but so dose most modern genres, if anything it's closer to the romantic period but even then that's just theatrics.
![s-l1000[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3liZHQs.jpg "s-l1000[1].jpg")
LP DC Jr.
Marshall 1959
no pedals, I have volume & tone. set the amp to max across the board.
>>62451682
Listen to any jim steiman song, they have very extended instrumental passages and they are as pop as they get. Also, much closer compositionally to classical than metal.
>>62455251
how far up your ass can one go before they just loop to infinity
>>62456008
>which is black spiritual and folks songs
which in turn is celtic/european folk music
>>62456769
No I'm fairly certain those are derived from African folk songs primarily and later mutated to have those European elements in them.
>>62451682
>metal
>posts occult rock.
>>62451682
This is my bait thread AMA
>>62451682
>extolls the virtues of metal
>uses a picture of Ghost
>>62456856
>>62456875
>posts garbage
>isn't trash
>>62456890
That's the spirit.
>>62456868
at what age did you lost your virginity?
>>62456987
17 she was 16 and thick, I could've lost it a lot earlier many times but I have autismo
>>62452473
>>62452449
Wagner is a meme though
>>62457178
He's a meme who completely changed how people think about music, just like the Beatles.
>>62455394
>as opposed to what?
as opposed to being stored primarily in a written score like classical music.
Having a score allows you to analyze, reinterpret, and re-perform a work centuries after its creation.
>>62456769
>which in turn is celtic/european folk music
which is the polar opposite of most classical music.
Folk music is the music of poor people, played in taverns and on the streets. Art music is (traditionally) the music of rich people, played in private concerts and as background music by hired musicians (at the hosts expense). Its expensive to train, rehearse and hire classical musicians. folk musicians just belt out what "sounds good" or songs they've learned from others. similar to metal. its not an art form, but something fro the plebs to dance and get drunk to.
>>62452995
Ghost may be getting softer with each release but they're definitely metal. Like a softer Mercyful Fate, really.
>>62455251
You must not listen to a lot of metal. Or this is just a realllly shitty copypasta everyone's falling for.
>>62451682
>metalheads
>>62457178
Pfui! Du haariger, höckriger Geck!
Schwarzes, schwieliges Schwefelgezwerg!
Such’ dir ein Friedel, dem du gefällst!
>posts ghost in the op
>actually thinks anyone is even going to read his post
wew
>>62451682
>Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical
So you're saying metal is stuck hundreds of years in the past?
k
>>62458064
Only the first albums were Doom metal.
Now they're just metal because of association like motorhead.
manchild music
>>62452690
go back to 9gag faggot
>>62452995
go back to metallum faggot
>>62454115
go back to tumblr faggot
>>62458910
substantive bro
>>62458910
>>>62452690 (You)
>go back to 9gag faggot
>>>62452995
>go back to metallum faggot
>>>62454115
>go back to tumblr faggot
Go back to being a pleb
you bag of filth
>>62455918
butthurt metalhead neckbeard detected
dude metal is the new classical lmao
>>62459266
To be fair Ne Obliviscaris is pretty dank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRk
"DUDE!! METAL IS THE NEW CLASSICAL MUSIC" is now a meme
>>62459315
>when 5:24 hits you
>>62459266
>>62459315
>>62459315
I'm not into metal at all but shit, this song and the one they analyze at Sydney are fucking amazing.
Classical music is serious buisiness, metal is a bit of a laugh
>Cookie Monster vocals
You can't take it seriously
>>62460571
>Leck mir den Arsch fein recht schön sauber
Can't take classical music seriously.
>>62454596
>he thinks improvisation wasn't prevelant in classical music
Fucking retard. What do you think Bach was known for during his day? His music?
>>62460601
>can't take classical music seriously
Congrats! You've beaten the legions of Kanye fanboys to win the award for biggest musical pleb of day.
Your mascara wearing, church burning brethren will be proud
>>62460663
Nice rebuttal.
>>62460601
C'mon, it's grown men playing dress-up before putting on their angry face to try and impress edgy, sexually frustrated teenagers.
This message was sent from an ipad
>>62460737
>le "metal is for children" meme
>>62460692
>I can't take classical music seriously
That screams "I'm 18 years old and old listen to TRVE metal like slipknot and mushroomhead"
>>62460762
The "metal isn't for children" meme
>>62451682
Pop can become jazz pop, psychedelic pop, pop soul, pop punk, pop rock, synthpop, etc. Pop can do whatever in its structures. Metal is defined by its instrumentation; it's far more limited.
>>62460762
It's true though. It appeals to the preferences and insecurities of largely male teenagers. I've never met an adult metal fan who isn't in desperate need of growing up a bit.
Metal retards emotional and interpersonal development ...... Your average metal fanboy will construct elaborate defensive mechanisms which prevent theme selves from having to look at theme selves in the mirror and take stock of their lives. Denigrating legitimate criticism as a " meme" is an example of this.
ITT
No, electronic music is the closest
the only metal closest is drone
>>62460861
I saw this may may on facebook xdxd
Well this is a retarded thread. Metalfags getting butthurt and classicalfags feeling superior yet again.
i like both metal and classical
they sound really good to me. i like all kinds of metal, too. not the core stuff, though.
>Can you imagine a pop song about vikings or dragons? One with an extended instrumental section?
Can you imagine a Metal song with no TACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKA?
Can you imagine a Metal song not brickwalled to buttfuck and back?
Can you imagine a Metal song with no crunch or fuzz?
Can you imagine a Metal song with no neotenous neckbeard escapist bullshit?
Can you imagine a Metal song with no embarrassing vocals?
Can you imagine a Metal song that is not derivative of literally any and all Metal songs from the past 35 years?
>>62455251
Youll almost certainly not say, but.. which band? Anything known? Did you release full-lengths?
>>62452037
holy fucking hell that is retarded
>>62455251
Pretty much this.
>>62461359
get a load of this guy.
i can imagine every single thing you listed and could give examples if i wasn't balls deep in ur mum rn lol ok keep it 100 femily
>>62452189
Wait I think it's literally a Vangelis excerpt.
>mfw Ghost is made up of a bunch of indiekids who started Ghost as a joke and metal fans are eating it up
>>62461359
>Can you imagine a Metal song not brickwalled to buttfuck and back?
what does brickwalled mean?
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no crunch or fuzz?
A ton of metal songs have clean-guitar sections, but I couldnt imagine the entirety of a metal song with no distortion since its essential to the genre
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no neotenous neckbeard escapist bullshit?
Using the word neckbeard to describe just about anything is a sure way to decrease any level of seriousness your arguement had, but anyway there is plenty, if we're to pretend for a second that not all music is essentially escapism
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no embarrassing vocals?
Do you not know what metal is? MOST metal bands have clean vocals.
>Can you imagine a Metal song that is not derivative of literally any and all Metal songs from the past 35 years?
>any and all Metal songs from the past 35 years
Now you're just splitting hairs.
>>62451682
>Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical. There's so much more you can DO with metal, than say, R&B or hip hop. At least instrumentally and thematically.
this is true, but when metal turned classical, thats when it turned to shit.
remember black sabbath? the ones that started it all ? well they were heavily blues influenced.
black sabbath was essentially metal blues.
randy rhodes is the one that started turning to classical. and also the turn of metal to speed and technical ability rather than the feel of blues metal.
so in the end, it was bad for metal
>>62461490
>what does brickwalled mean?
Get off /mu/.
>>62461462
Ghost is a perfect example of metal for kids. I think I hate them even more than Sabaton.
(Although I'm one of the people who firmly believe that not all metal is juvenile.)
>>62461359
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no TACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpdhPivrg2E
>>62451739
>Can you imagine a pop song about vikings or dragons? One with an extended instrumental section?
Yes.
>Can you imagine a metal song with something other than electric guitars and drumkits?
Could add some strings but that's it.
>>62451739
i don't know man, maybe go listen to song BONG, or Om, these are both metal bands that utilize eastern percussion and strings. quit grouping everything into one category and labeling things you've never heard
>>62451739
>Can you imagine a metal song with something other than electric guitars and drumkits?
Definitely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqD5uuBge-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybmbk7fdQ4U
>>62455251
/thread
Is there any metal that, instead of the gurgling/screaming vocals, has like operatic vocals? I feel like that would be really good.
>>62462314
Almost the entirety of power metal and a good chunk of prog metal, but you have to have a massive tolerance to cheese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hech3iIMroM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prBxPljqt0M
>>62462314
It's funny that you say that considering metal's been strongly influenced by operatic bombasticness, operatic vocals, and operatic theatrics for decades
You can argue that harsh vocals are largely influenced by operatic vocals
>>62452100
>implying image and music aren't intertwined
>>62460837
Meanwhile, fans of EVERY other genre of music have gone over that hill and are full grown adults.
Dude, everyone can use some growing up. That's like saying people who play video games need to "stop being kids" or people who just watch Netflix after work need to get a hobby. It's just preference. Maybe people who say "I only listen to metal" are a bit ignorant, but saying metal is only liked by children? Get over yourself
>>62455251
>>62455394
>>62456379
>>62458097
>>62461379
He's 100% right though.
>>62463393
>Implying the garage band side project has to dress up on suits, rent an office for management, and hand out business cards because metal is a business
There's your (you)
>>62463529
Explain how metal is not popular music.
>>62463529
>metal isn't pop music
>>62463549
Is it on the radio? even radio dedicated to rock music? Maybe a Metallica song or two but that's it
Is it winning grammy awards? Is it on MTV music awards? It had to make its own award show just to recognize that stuff.
Are non-core metal musicians Making as much money as you're average pop or hip hop artist? Is metal played at sporting events or at parties and clubs? Yea metal is totally up there with pop, hip hop, edm, and alternative. Or is that not how you define popular
>>62463906
Oh no, the kid doesn't know what popular music is!
>The term popular music belongs to a number of musical genres "having wide appeal"[1][2][3] and typically distributed to large audiences through the music industry. These forms and styles can be enjoyed and performed by people with little or no musical training.[1] It stands in contrast to both art music[4][5][6] and traditional music.
>>62463906
Popular doesn't mean famous in this context. It means pleb.
>>62463932
This.
>>62460792
>cherry picking.jpg
>>62461359
What's wrong with the TACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKATACKA, it's pretty fun to listen to
>>62463932
So this is how hipsters get off saying they don't listen to "popular music"
So a top radio hit written by a ghost writer who has been musically trained ISN'T popular music?
That's a nice college essay thesis on how popular music is defined, but the fact of the matter is people associate popular music with music that is universally regocnized. I'm sure you're little factoid has made you quite the center of attention at your last cocktail party though
>>62464313
>So a top radio hit written by a ghost writer who has been musically trained ISN'T popular music?
No, it is. The person was just saying that hit would still have more musical value than metal.
You're really butthurt that I know more about music than you.
>>62464169
>>>>>>>>>cherry picking
You know there are hundreds more, right?
>>62464333
Uhhh, this is 4chan, not facebook. Idk anything about you. I'm saying your definition of popular music is too broad and doesn't make a lot of sense
>>62464415
How does it not make sense?
>>62460792
>>62464406
black metal has some pretty cool aesthetics t b h
though i'll always prefer the scuzzy leather jacket urban hooligan look to the corpsepaint/gauntlet shit
>>62464552
>grown men wearing make up and clothes buried underground is cool
Literally 17 years old
I was there once too lmao
>>62464439
Because it implies that anything sold by a label is popular music. Popular to people who listen to that music? Yes. To others? No.
It throws bands (from any genre) that are at large unknown and classifies them as "popular," a word typically associated with something well known.
>>62464415
Are you stupid?
>>62464655
nah, you're just a pussy famm :^)
>>62451682
>Ghost
Man, they have the most upbeat songs about Satan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CSFkjPm0A0
are you fucking stupid? the closest genre to classical is electronic, atleast the one with most potential
try to prove me wrong
>>62461359
>>62460837
>>62455251
>>62463549
>>62460792
literally shut the fuck up all of you. if youve never listened to or met fans of anything besides slipknot, shit metalcore or pop metal this is true but youve clearly never delved into the genre. so much cringe
>>62464894
True.
>>62464655
>not being able to appreciate the sight of good-looking lads in leather
sucks to be you
>>62464333
Not the guy you're arguing with but I just wanted to make a clarification
You keep talking about consumable popular music, but are you saying that's a bad thing that it's so simple and that it's not truly "art", or are you just trying to make a point? imo literally anything can be art, and a pop song a twee girl records in her bedroom is just as much "art" or can be just as interesting as a concerto or something. I dunno. It's music, it's something that changes and is impossible to make concrete statements about.
>>62464936
My childhood was literally all metal all the time, including BM. It's pretty ridiculous music that lost its appeal once I grew up. Butthurt teenagers are cringey.
>>62465022
>yeah man metal was my favourite genre, bands like demon burger, slipknot, cannibal corpse, bring me the horizon, cradle of filth are all top tier, the list could go on and on
>>62464936
The fact that there's even a thread dedicated to arguing different genres as superior over others is pretty hilariously childish
It's almost as if people don't realize other people have different opinions and that just because they disagree doesn't make either wrong
Everyone arguing here is just trying to take the high ground and either condescend or go "lol u mad xD". Nobody is going to change anyones opinions, accept you have differing viewpoints and move on
>>62464894
>>62464937
literally retarded
>>62465022
Tbh metal is one of my least favorite genres but you're coming across as pompous as fuck. "Yeah I used to think like you, then I grew up. You'll learn someday kid, heh."
You do realize that eventually you'll probably develop a different taste in music and look back on now and think the same thing.
>>62465103
CC is pretty gud though
>>62451682
god mu you have become the biggest fuckin plebs. so disappointed in you.
So /mu/, how old were you when you grew out of metal?
Me? 16
>>62456008
>>62461511
>Metal is rock, rock is the blues which is black spiritual and folks songs
Fucking this, this is what I hate about these faggots that think metal is close to classical.
Metal is rock, and rock is blues, stripping the blues out of any form of rock music makes it stilted and trite. Just look at any shitbag soft rock band or indie rock band for an example of this.
>>62461490
>Do you not know what metal is? MOST metal bands have clean vocals.
Not enough of them do desu. Metal needs a return to form when it comes to vocals. Not necessarily clean vocals, but rock vocals, which is somewhere between harsh and clean.
Ulver and Burzum is the only good BM desu
noise is the new classical
>>62465703
Same, I grew out of video games, TV, sports, movies, and shit posting on a Taiwanese earthquake forum
:^)
>Harsh/Guttural is bad
>Distortion is bad
>Speed is bad
Expected better from a board based around subjective tastes and music
>>62465849
>Distortion is bad
Who claimed this?
Metal has hundreds of sub genres because metal is nerd music now and nerds like to categorize and sub-categorize things...... It makes them feel empowered like they're in the "know".
>>62462314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsmAF9cVPm4
Diablo Swing Orchestra says hi.
>>62465985
People may not be complaining about distorted guitars in this thread, but it's a recurring thing when metal is posted outside of the 'containment' threads
They may not be very similar but holy fuck it's good when merged
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Hgy_L3eXc
>>62464313
You're projecting.
>>62451682
OK but you can say the same thing about jazz minus the dragons
Why is metal so conservative?
Bands seem to get either voluntarily or involuntarily associated with a type of metal..... and when they try to think outside the box of whichever limited type of metal they're associated with they get resoundingly castigated by the metal community.
Inb4 "autism".... It's never a satisfying answer
>>62466649
But that is not really true.
Look at Children of Bordom. They play a whole catalog of metal sub-genres yet still have a massive fan base.
I'm a pretty big fan of Metal, but the truth of the matter is there's a huge majority of faggy, edge-focusing, "heaviest of the heavy" bands. Don't get me wrong, I love Metal. Currently I'm listening to Opeth because that's simply beautiful writing to me. But for every amazing Metal band that's amazing, non cringe-inducing, and respectable in writing and presentation, there's 30 counterparts to show the immature half (more like 65%) of the genre.
This thread
>implying anyone needs a reason to listen to any music other than "I like it"
Hey listening to certain things will make you better while listening to other things will make you worse. No, it doesn't get any more specific than that
>>62466649
Metal is one of the more experimental genres of today.
>>62466649
It's just the consumerism. The Metal community has a kind of aggressive appeal to fit most of the time. Certain sub genres appeal to fans more, so bands like Cattle Decap, whether you like the style or not, will always be obligated to keep the über-heavy grind that's less mature. Compare Humanure to Monolith. In terms of writing, Monolith is infinitely better. However, Humanure and Karma.Bloody.Karma have a little more character, and therefor more specific audience. Btw I'm not talking entirely out my ass, but I've only done uppers a couple times and my minds moving at 1000 mph. Goddamnit I love Cattle Decapitation.
>>62466794
Please someone reply I have to vent this energy
So speaking of Metal, is Wacken Open Air worth going to?
vikings n shit
>>62452100
>>I care more about image than the actual music
well you clearly do, otherwise you wouldn't subscribe to metalhead ideology and you'd just listen to music as music without needing to categorise it as metal
>>62467173
Wacken has always been something I'd love to go to just for raw size of audiencs and freedom to party with Death Metal. But I'm not 100% if they still keep the band selection as pureblood anymore.
>>62467280
>pureblood
>>62465849
Gutteral is just done well so little. Distortion for guitars is kinda overused with grind and shit like that, but is definitely a useful tool for defining the feeling of the music. Speed in general I don't think has ever been bad for music, but some writing cranks the speed beyond enjoyment.
>>62467326
By pureblood I just mean bands that aren't absolutely worthless.
"bracing myself for the hipster faggotry that will continue to flood this post"
>>62451682
nice bate
>>62452995
Ghost is shit.
>>62467352
>Guttural is just done well so little
I beg to differ
>Bloodbath
>Dismember
>Bolt Thrower
>At The Gates
>Morbid Angel
>Death
>Carcass
List goes on of bands with excellent extreme vocalists
>Distortion
Ironically enough genres like Country and Rock n' Roll use far more generic and distorted guitar tones than your average metal band
>Speed
It's not metal if it's not fun, over the top and crossing the boundaries
>>62462225
First one has both drums and electric guitars
Second has no acoutic drum, sure, but it's still pretty much played in the same way as a drumkit would be. Kinda neato, though. Some of the synth sounds feel really cliché/not well thought-out, though, dunno.
>>62465719
King Crimson had large classical influence and almost no blues influence. Are you saying that they are shite?
>>62468388
>Are you saying that they are shite?
Yeah.
They're prog and not a rock band, lots of prog is like that.
>>62463906
There are only 3 types of music. And metal falls into the "popular" category.
It aint rocket science. Metal isn't a special snowflake, its still a basic form of music made for plebs to enjoy. Very rarely do metal pieces reach the level of high art, and almost never do they qualify as "art music"
>>62468444
Checked.
I actually agree and I think that rock should stay true to its bluesy heritage, but there have been many prog and post rock bands that used the same instruments but created something entirely different, often being influenced by classical music and it worked great for them.
Metal seems pretty cool until you discover actual classical music.
Bach's harmony and economy of material eclipses anything done before or since, and he's just one example from 300 years ago.
Schoenberg, Ferneyhough, Murail, etc. all write far more technical and interesting music than any metal band.
Hell, the classical scene invented "brutality" in music in 1912 with the rite of spring. Dissonant chugging strings and syncopated rhythms, and heavy percussion. Its all there.
>>62468388
>no blues influence
>literally jazz interlude the band
>no blues influence
The fuck?
>>62466649
Metal fans are so insufferable that most people who want to make Metal have given up on innovation. It's not worth it.
You know how faggots spazzed the fuck out when St. Anger came out and the SNARE - ONE part of ONE instrument - sounded SLIGHTLY different? Imagine what 1% of that hysteria would've done to a band even half as big as Metallica.
>>62469262
The problem with ST.Anger was it dullness, mediocre songwriting and vocals, kids just like to make fun of the snare, plus the backlash on albums like God Hates Us All and Risk was far more sever than St.Anger, even if the mentioned albums were among the best Alt Metal/Rock stuff of their time.
>>62468619
I have nothing against using classical influence in rock music, but rock music is first and foremost a bluesy, soul, sort of thing.
It's meant to be sexier, grittier, and somewhat less structured than classical music.
>>62469262
That snare drum sounded like shit. Any self respecting drummer would know that.
Metal is just rock music's less experimental counterpart to breakcore. It is shit
Metal fan here
Metal being popular music is totally right despise some bands borrowing from art music. See>>62468585
Popular music doesn't mean bad music.
>>62465719
>stripping the blues out of any form of rock music makes it stilted and trite.
completely wrong
>>62462225
>>Can you imagine a metal song with something other than electric guitars and drumkits?
drone metal is often without a drumkit
Om and necromantia don't have guitars
>>62469262
It's because you confuse metal fans with plebs
>inb4
>>62461359
what a pleb lmao
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no TACKATACKATACKATA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBR-A_YfxJ8 literally the most popular metal band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKqoNrZ00Bg
>Can you imagine a Metal song not brickwalled to buttfuck and back?
do you even know what brickwalled means
the first link still work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEo8IrU5MQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O5kVI1qggI
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no crunch or fuzz?
Can you imagine a blues song without a blues progression or a blues scale? :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCc9kvSIAqI little to no distortion over the major part of the song
i also hate it but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq4Q13p99ng
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no neotenous neckbeard escapist bullshit?
>dismissing a genre because of its lyrics
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc2E5WcQsfw this whole album is about the concept of panopticon
also these :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnV62xxrL_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv5_PtpgaUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S_Jk3RNxfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCN0qYpqMP4
>Can you imagine a Metal song with no embarrassing vocals?
define "embarrassing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wenNqTd5hU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-FjO3E8K-E
>Can you imagine a Metal song that is not derivative of literally any and all Metal songs from the past 35 years?
can you repeat that without meaningless buzzwords?
>>62460792
man the point of this band is to be tongue-in-cheek about it
they accepted that an imagery like that was ridiculous but they choose to embrace it and just to have fun with it
>>62466794
this opinion is perfectly respectable but for a reason it feels like you have a limited comprehension of the genre
idk why
forgive me please
>>62466426
i'm pretty sure a jazz song about dragons must exists
hey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyORieDhpkg
>>62463906
>metalfags think their shit is underground just because it isn't on the radio
Oh my sides
>>62474656
I know some black metal fans that paint their faces and wear all that stuff, and they are totally serious about it, they don't think there's nothing ridiculous about it. I'm not saying EVERY black metal fan is like that though, it's just my personal experience.
>>62474485
>can you imagine spaghetti without noodles
Lol. If you want to say metal is closer to this or that then do it. Is everyone ITT arguing because they are afraid they are a pleb or something. Metal is great, so is classical, rock, pop, popular music, art music, most music has some sort of redeeming quality. Let's focus on that
>>62475020
it's just ironic that >>62460792 choosed the most goofy band of the genre trying to shame it
>>62475157
>Is everyone ITT arguing because they are afraid they are a pleb or something.
probably t b h ( including myself )
>>62475240
>ironic
>goofy band
You know as well as I the dudes in Mayhem mean it. You know as well as I the dudes in Gorgoroth mean. Immortal aren't the only ones who paint their faces. Ironically or not, it's still dumb as all fuck.
>>62475020
I used a double negative, i'm an idiot.
>>62468585
lol bull, art music is only written because recording didn't exist. you don't diss michelangelo and say his sculptures and paintings aren't art because he made sculptures and painted instead of writing instructions for other people to replicate them. I myself class the vast majority of metal music as popular music but get your head out of your ass
>>62475420
>it's still dumb as fuck
I completely agree with you.
>>62451682
I wrote this last night in a different thread.
This is...weird.
>>62454942
This is where I got the idea in the first place. I don't know if OP intends to mock or agree.
>>62462202
I've heard Om
It's not metal.
>>62461511
blues based metal is melodically stunted and generally shit tho
>>62476081
Almost all types of rock (metal included) technically follows the 12 bar blues pattern.
>>62454942
>>62454942
>>62454942
Only relevant post in entire bickering thread
>no replies
Oh 4chan, I love you.
>>62476112
yeah and it all sucks listen to burzum instead or something
>>62476048
what are you qualifications in metal to decrete that anon? :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk9cwB2syB4
>>62476112
no
you don't know what you're talking about
>>62476136
His facts are correct and his opinons, argumentations, or suppositions are wrong.
>>62476278
Umm. All he said is that Sam Dunn linked Metal and Classical.
What opinions, arguments, or suppositions are there.
Oh wait, sorry, let me get this hook out of my mouth.
>>62476201
>>62476392
i was talking about the video and not about his post, honestly didn't want to bait
i'm too lazy to watch it again and analyze it properly but the video is right about
>wagner orchestras etc
and wrong about
>composers liking to be in led zep or whatever
while
>liked dark classical heavy music
is actually questionable
neoclassical guitarists like more bach and vivaldi
very few "symphonic" metal bands go past film music and die walkure
>>62476633
You're seriously saying you know what kind of music members of symphonic metal bands listen to? And that you know it well enough to disagree with a guy who interviewed those musicians?
Either you're an idiot, or trollin. I'm out like sauerkraut.
>>62476698
Maybe because most of these bands do covers of classical "hits" and because the influences they have can be heard in the compositions
Again
>i'm too lazy
What i'm saying is an obvious oversimplification but i have seen very few metal musicians talking about SERIOUS knowledge of classical compared to the number of symphonic or neoclassical metal bands
Of course there are some
Now maybe the video proves me wrong anon, show me where
>>62477177
Not that I'm conceding the point, but if someone is inspired by classical, and the music they create inspires someone else to make something but they don't know the classical, isn't it still inspired by the original classical?
It's a lineage. One follows another. Not everyone has to listen and follow the classical deeply for the genre to have similarities in structure, theme, etc.
I think you're arguing against a statement that nobody is making.
>>62477322
>I think you're arguing against a statement that nobody is making.
maybe t b h
> isn't it still inspired by the original classical?
I don't know it's watered down a lot in bands like cradle of filth
>>62477443
Ah!
Here's where we misunderstood one another.
I don't mean that all metal is classically inspired technically, or that it's all blues based compositionally.
I'm saying that MOST metal meets those statements. I'm also saying that even extreme examples like, I dunno, GWAR or Cradle of Filth, to use your example, are inspired by *some* classical in this way:
Unlike pop music, which is generally dance based. Or Rap/Hip-Hop which is usually narrative based (lots of ballads or autobiographies). Metal is specifically emotive, like classical or jazz. It's there to give you an emotion.
Uniquely, classical, metal, and some jazz evoke the feeling of The Sublime. Of hugeness, vastness. Something modernly described as "epic," which does it a distinct injustice.
sorry. rant.
>>62465022
>grew up
>still browses /mu/
>>62451682
>Metal is the closest, mechanically, to classical.
Are you sure neo-classical isn't closer?
>>62478182
Statement is taken out of context from a previous thread.
Were talking about popular genres of modern music. Neoclassical wasn't part of the group being discussed.
Of course neo-classical is closer haha.
>>62477917
Oh damn we weren't at all on the same level of discussion
You're probably right
>>62478261
I'm not sure that orchestral movie soundtracks count as neo-classical, and they are also closer to classical than metal.
>>62478287
most aporias between otherwise well-reasoned people are a difference in definition of terms, or unexpanded subtext due to brevity of argument. We had the latter!
>>62478334
Y'know that scene in The Big Lebowski where Donny keeps butting in to the conversation, providing input that is irrelevant because he doesn't get the actual conversation happening between the other two characters?
Well, you're out of your element here anon. Shut up.
>>62477917
is this copypasta?
one of the dumbest things I've ever read
>>62478139
So you're saying you're a child?
>>62478429
your enthusiasm is suspicious t b h
>>62480168
>inb4 you call me a shill
>>62480272
i won't
why would i
>>62481773
why else would enthusiasm be suspicious?
>>62475523
are you actually fucking retarded
>>62482298
>0 explanation
mad he didnt like your chart? which btw, whoever made that REALLY wanted to have some sort of "legitimate" way of telling his friends why they objectively are musical plebs.
what's that charts purpose even? people in this thread saying metal listeners are nerds for classifying metal subgenres, but that chart right there is the same thing. needless scrutiny
>>62467199
mah nigga, i just listened to that album today. its the shit. i need more like it.
>>62462314
most of it doesn't have gurgling/screaming
Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Metallica
every power metal band
etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_mpt8xyZVI
>>62471828
>>62469262
there's an entire subgenre of metal where the snare drum sounds like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4qmUEE9qTo
