There needs to be some sort of guide on how to appreciate weird avant-garde shit. I can get other "patrician" music, like I get jazz, they do improv over a melody and chords, okay. I get classical, there are melodies and structures and you have to pay more attention than when listening to pop music, okay. But when it comes to weird avant-garde, it's like what the hell is going on? I have no idea.
>>62429359
You just need to listen. If it isn't for you, you'll know. You don't have to listen to anything.
Also, that album is mostly just really enjoyable long form prog rock with one track that is proto industrial/drone music. Not too much to get.
>>62429359
The Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord is a book that should clear a lot of things to you.
>>62429412
>one disc
ftfy
Am i the only one that likes disc 2 more than disc 1? Peking O is fucking hilarious.
>>62429359
Tango Mago is a 10/10 jam.
I don't understand how you can't understand it.
It's not even that avant-garde
if that album was just the first disc it would be an 11/10
Is this album hard to get into? I know this might be "weird" to the Kanye crowd here but I never found this album inaccessible.
>>62429514
I like the second and third sides more than the first and last.
>>62429514
peking o is good, almost like it predated eskimo
augmn is one of the first examples of indeterminacy in krautrock and the most transcendent piece on the album
most of the other stuff on the album don't do anything for me, at least that's the case with halleluwha
>>62429539
>>62429514
>second disc
IT WAS ON A SINGLE CD. THE SECOND "DISC" IS CALLED A RECORD YOU FUCKING PLEBEIAN SWINE.
>>62429559
Halleluwah is the thickest groove on the album.
>>62429562
Okay, sorry. You would probably be up in my ass if i said second record too, wouldn't you?
>>62429443
One side of a vinyl maybe but not one CD. The entire album fits on a CD.
Seriously though. I recommend if you want to get into Can to either listen to Ege Baymasi which is their more conventional album or to Future Days if you just want calming jams.
You could also go with Monster Movie if you want a rougher more gritty sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIJaYFotmAg
>>62429562
A record is a disc you...double nigger!
>>62429540
come here my big patrician boy hearing about your good taste makes me want to suck your dick
>>62429577
Halleluhwah is GOAT, but the whole album is. Augmn is the best 2bh
One friend called this "porn music"
>>62429359
Long jams,intricate percusion,groovy in its entirety and every track pushing a new boundary.
What's not to like?
If the first half doesn't convince you its one of the bests,the second will do,and vice versa.
>>62429593
Future Days is so tropical, i love it!
>>62429528
this, it's really accessible, which isn't a bad thing at all
>>62429597
A RECORD IS NOT A DISC. A DISC COMES FROM THE NAME CD: COMPACT DISC.
IT'S CALLED A VINYL RECORD
>>62429528
>>62429617
I just don't really understand what it's going for. It doesn't really feel like they're just having fun with jams, it's more like... so alien and weird. I guess that's the point of this music? To hear weird sounds you've nver heard before? I guess it'll appeal to you if you're bored with pop music, but I guess I haven't done that yet, so this isn't for me...
>>62429646
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disc
>being this retarded
>>62429646
the name compact disc comes from the name "disc" (the vinyl one) and "compact" which means it's smaller
>>62429655
>I guess it'll appeal to you if you're bored with pop music, but I guess I haven't done that yet
Then go back to listening to your shitty Carly Rae Jepsen and Kanye West records faggot.
>>62429719
I will then. Thank you for all your kind help, /mu/.
>>62429719
That's not how you get people to listen to krautrock.
there's nothing alien about can. they were a pop band as much as they were anything else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxGaC4wzt50
>>62429773
This. It's just that crazy experimental shit was popular in Germany at the time.
Spoon was a charting single if I remember correctly.
>>62429758
>>62429765
the anon answered his question with this
>>62429655
>I haven't done that yet, so this isn't for me...
i just don't understand why the hell would you randomly want to listen to trippy krautrock if you're heavy into stuff that doesn't belong to that world completely
>>62429828
You don't understand why someone would try and step out of their comfort zone?
>>62429828
Krautrock has tendrils of influence in a lot of contemporary popular music.
A lot of artists cite Can, Faust, etc. as influences.
>>62429359
Aesthetically subversive is the name of the game when it comes to avant-garde music. If that isn't your thing, don't try to force it
>>62429758
Disregard that anon,it's the fact that Tago Mago is one of the most respected albums on here.
I'd reccomend you listening to Future Days,an easier listen,but just as good as Tago Mago.
If you dont like it still,then listen to it another time,don't force yourself to listen to stuff you obviously won't enjoy.
>>62429859
i don't understand why the hell would you listen to tago mago and expect something similar to pop
and don't play that passive agressive shit with me kid
>>62429928
Where did he say that he expected something similar to pop?
>>62429793
>It's just that crazy experimental shit was popular in Germany at the time
ehhh i wouldn't word it that way. to my understanding the scene people refer to as krautrock started as a kind of invisible collective effort by the german music scene in the late 60s to establish a rock identity in their country in the vein of american and british bands like the velvet underground and the beatles. except the majority of musicians involved were classically trained, jazz musicians, theorists, electronic innovators etc as opposed to the anglosphere acts which were made up of mostly post-beatnik era poetic types and unconventional instrumentalists (think lou reed and hendrix)
so basically it wasn't exactly what was popular in germany at the time, but it was their pop-cultural identity
>>62429951
>I guess it'll appeal to you if you're bored with pop music, but I guess I haven't done that yet, so this isn't for me...
this bit from his post implies that, you fucking aspie
>>62429928
I never expected pop music, but I did expect something I would understand. I just didn't know how weird it would be.
Ok. Hold the fuck up everyone.
Are you telling me you fags unironically enjoyed the vocals of "Aumgn" ? He's literally just loudly saying "Auuuuuumng".
The drums here good here and there but this album is in no way accessible.
Anyone claiming that it is, faggots like:
>>62429528
>>62429632
are doing this only to appear superior and are being pretentious which is strange because this is an anonymous board ffs.
>>62429359
can is all about groove.
explore more 60s/70s music (psych/prog/tvu) for now and you will understand can later
>>62429972
>but i guess i haven't done that yet
He could have realized this AFTER listening to the album.
>>62429974
i guess you just aren't into transcendence, meditation, indeterminacy and stuff like that
but that doesn't mean you can't understand it
you're just poisoned with iphone culture, various twitters, trap rap, instagrams and whatnot
i guess start with popol vuh if you wanna do the absolute ear cleansing
spirit of peace is a good place to start
it's on youtube
then watch herzog's films
lots of national geography stuff
then you can get into krautrock i guess
>>62429977
>Are you telling me you fags unironically enjoyed the vocals of "Aumgn" ? He's literally just loudly saying "Auuuuuumng".
never heard of the sacred word "OM"?
shame on you kiddo
what else can i tell you
read Siddhartha i guess
>>62430067
My god, you are pretentious.
>>62430114
how the fuck am i pretentious
you just asked for a good advice in understanding kraut rock and then you get mad when i give you advice
get into eastern philosophy
that's the whole point of krautrock
if you don't get that, everything that is transcendent is going to be just pretentious for you
>>62430067
Damn what a cringy post. I'm ashamed to like some of the same things as you.
>>62430067
simply ebony XDD
>>62430169
That's not me. I appreciate the help, but that all just sounds like too much just to enjoy an album.
>>62429977
bitch stfu
As good a Halleluhwah,if not better.
>>62430194
if you've never heard of the word OM before you're hopeless
nothing more to say
>>62429977
the second disc is fairly out there by the standards of most music but the first half is groovy, crunchy, psychedelic and catchy like the best of early 70s rock dude. don't think of music as a competition to see who can out-highbrow each other whether you subscribe to those ideas (unironically calling yourself a patrician, etc) or hold a grudge against everyone who enjoys things you think are above you
i was already big into prog rock, psych rock, etc in my early teens when i first heard tago mago and had no trouble getting into it. i thought the entire second disc was hilarious. everyone gets into music from a different point.
>>62430067
this post is some insane terence mckenna shit but its good advice. seconding the popol vuh/herzog recommendation
>>62430170
it made you cringe? really?
you must be cringing at your dinner
>>62430112
I'm a Hindu. That's not how you say OM when meditating or otherwise.
>>62430210
Gr8 opinion m8.
>>62430263
Quality post. You're kind of right. I know this album is not for me and can understand others liking it but I just don't think it's as accessible as people claim it to be.
You're right about not thinking of music as competition. Only a pretentious cunt would think that or consider himself "patrician" based on the music he consumes.
Either way, I guess TagoMago is not for me. At least not yet.
>>62430240
Well sorry I'm not learned enough to understand your precious avant-garde albums. Y'know I've always thought music should be something everyone can enjoy because it's a universal language everyone can sing and dance to, but apparently some people don't like that idea because how could they ever think they're better than everyone else if everyone can uinderstand it?
>>62430420
sometimes it's nice to work towards learning a new language. not everyone wants to be constantly spoonfed.
>>62430420
again with the passive aggressive shit
are you a fag?
tago mago isn't even one of my favorite albums
well, if it was just aumgn and peking o, then it would have been
You're doing it right this is how Aum sounds:
>>62430420
there is music you can dance to
it's just not krautrock
you can move your head i guess
look kid, krautrock is music for hormons
dopamine, melotonine, adrenaline
that stuff
ever heard of hieronymus bosch
find a hq version of garden of delight and just stare at it until you get it
no music no nothing
in complete silence
>>62430501
>are you a fag?
Yes, I'm gay because I don't understand an album. That's how it works.
>>62430631
No, I won't even understand it in the first place. As said before twitter and Kanwe West has ruined my mind. I can't enjoy higher pleasures even if I tried.
>>62430707
>Yes, I'm gay because I don't understand an album. That's how it works.
no
i just know because women tend to be passive aggressive, and gays have lots of girly hormones
you do the math
>>62430631
>>62430067
literally kill yourself. and stop spacing your posts out like that you fucking fag
>>62430894
i do that cause it's easier for me to type
and easier for you to read
we are both benefiting from it
why be mad when there's no need to
you need somebody to love
>>62431042
it reads like multiple shitty haiku's. and i'm mad because you're a pretentious dick.
that said, tago mago is pretty accessible. it just sounds like rock
>>62431283
loves zappa and eastern philosophy = pretentious
hello america, this is what hippies did to you
>>62431367
nope.
>i guess you just aren't into transcendence, meditation, indeterminacy and stuff like that
that just doesn't make any fucking sense. i'm not into transcendence, meditation, or fucking indeterminacy (which doesn't relate to the other two) but i like tago mago. because none of those things are relevant. it's a fairly straightforward record, you don't need to throw out stupid buzzwords to make yourself seem worldly and cultured
I constantly go back to listening to krautrock it's the best shit man
try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC5KKqGz4UQ
>>62431367
zappa would shit and piss on that eastern trendy yoga shit. we're only in it for the money
>>62429359
>like I get jazz, they do improv over a melody and chords, okay.
No, no you don't.
>>62431424
>it's a fairly straightforward record
you're wrong about this
it is only straightforward if you're familiar with
transcendence, meditation, indeterminacy and stuff like that
how can aumgn be straighforward to him if he's never heard any john cage or stockhausen?
in that case he would have to be fairly open minded to trippy music
>>62431638
i was thinking more about the first side but still. i don't think aumgn is too out there. i'd say at minimum he'd have to like ambient/post rock. it's more accessible than stockhausen or cage imo
Music is an abstract artform, you literally just have to listen to it
It's not like reading a difficult book or watching a difficult film or something, if it sounds good it sounds good regardless of what's actually going on
>>62429359
Try smoking pot and listening.
If you are adventurous take shrooms or LSD.
You don't need to make a habit of it, just try it one time in good circumstances.
Serious answer here:
Tago Mago is pretty obscure and hard to get into. I'm a big Can fan and I'll admit I didn't "get it" the first couple times I listened to
If you really want to get into Krautrock I'd start with some of their other stuff. Future Days is very beautiful and a lot smoother to listen to, so I would suggest that
>>62429977
Aumgn is one of the all time best tracks in popular music
>>62432856
Agreed.
>>62432715
This is a good post. Future Days is great.
>>62432715
Agreed. Tago Mago was the first I listened to and it's incredible, but Future Days is my personal favorite. Bel Air is GOAT.
This is what you faggots think is avantgarde? Jesus Christ, grow up.
>>62432715
>>62433940
>>62434610
Why does this album seem to be too quiet?
>>62434642
*responds*
>>62434728
You think so? I think it's quite appropriate volume wise.
>>62429359
a guide would be cool.
For me the best way was to make little steps to a genre closer to the genre you eventually want to listen.
for instance, i started out liking rock and blues like jimi hendrix later on prog rock. So to enjoy freejazz, i first moves to a genre in between. Fusion, specifically jazzrock. ie: music with elements of your already favorite music, but also elements of what you want to learn to listen.
i started out with weather report, they had rock structures, with not too much improvisation. A lot of stuff to hang on to, and solid funky grooves i was very familiar with because jimi hendrix and james brown. So even if i didnt like the soloing i just listened to the groove. After a while, I started to understand and like the solos. I wanted more of this so got kind of blue, which made total sense to me now. After that bitches brew which got me accustomed with dissonant harmonies and all, and after a couple of pretty out there albums I was listening to Sun Ra with pleasure.
Another example album by album
Say you like hiphop and you want to get into experimental electronic.
the standard hiphop you listen to --> DJ Shadow - Endtroducing --> Prefuse 73 - One Word Extinguisher --> Flylo - Los Angeles --> Amon Tobin - Bricolage --> Squarepusher - Hello Everything or Hard Normal Daddy --> And for the next step you're ready to pick any experimental electronic album, although albums like Untilted might be a bit too much still, but MHTRTC should be fine.
>>62434728
Well the album is quieter than their others, it's a lot more mellow. But I wouldn't say it's "too quiet" maybe your speakers are turned down too low.
>>62434642
:^)
EGE BAMYASI > TANGO MANGO > FUTURE DAYS
also bring me coffee or tea is the best track on tango mango
>>62434610
>tfw the drums on Halleluhwah
>>62429359
i listened to tago mago for the first time in a long time yesterday. i can't remember what song, but during one he just starts screaming and i couldn't stop laughing. was this the intention?
>>62435777
checked
intention was to make you laugh
Maybe i'm an ultra patrician
How can you not like this? Its literally a nice little guitar twinging and twanging over some drums. Its perfect
>>62436893
there are things you don't like that others will say something similar to
>>62430067
10/10 lmfao
>>62435180
Worst opinion of the decade
>>62436893
I didn't get it at first. But then the grooves, the vocals, the simple brilliant guitar work...shit blew me away. Still does.
>>62435180
TM>EB>FD
>>62437989
that's okay i'll allow it
>>62435777
Peking O iirc
It's amazing
>>62436893
yeah i don't get it either. it's a very pleasant album
>>62429423
My nigger
>>62434831
underrated post
Good advice, anon
>>62429359
Radiohead fangirls pretend to love this album. However, 30 minutes of this album is complete wank. It's not very accessible either. It is definitely accessible if you've listened to some free/avant garde jazz but these Radioplebs don't seem to be able to get Trout Mask Replica but then somehow think Aumgn is acceptable.
>>62434831
>although albums like Untilted
Do you have any idea how many bands have released untitled albums? Are you taking the fucking piss?
>>62443717
Untilted, not untitled. It's by Autechre.
>Field Recordings
Im a normalfag pleb and everything off Tago is easily listening except for Aumgun
>>62429655
Avant music is sort of an acquired taste I think. Also I just kept listening to music and gradually got into the weirder stuff. Personally I loved Tago when I first heard it, but I think it's because that's where my musical tastes were headed. Try coming back to it in a few months or something.
>>62429977
would love hear this opinion on noise.
>>62429359
It's weirdness is intrinsically appealing
>>62435777
rare john
Is it normal that I can enjoy Safe As Milk but have to turn off Trout Mask Replica after like 4 minutes?
>>62430384
The fact that you went out of your way to listen to it is enough, anon
Maybe you'll like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k
>>62434642
what's avantgarde, anon
is it on soundcloud?
>>62448629
yes because safe as milk is a generic blues record and people only put it in such high regard because le epic crazy man made it before he went nuts
>>62430771
you're retarded
>>62448629
Just skip the second track
>>62448834
The first one is weird too
I don't get it, I can enjoy harsh noise, why can't I enjoy this weird /mu/core?
>>62429359
>There needs to be some sort of guide on how to appreciate weird avant-garde shit.
My question is why exactly are you posting Can? They're not avant-garde
>>62448914
I CANNOT GO BACK TO YOUR FROWWNNNNNLAAAND
It's just a series of short, fun blues ideas. It's barely weird.
>>62448975
Maybe I psyched myself out? I read several articles about how he gave really specific instructions to the band and practiced for months before ever recording, and I get greeted by what sounds like several warmup sessions mashed together.
>>62449014
I felt the same way listening to it the first time. It was framed as incredibly weird and avant garde, so I went into it really restrained. Then I listened to Safe as Milk, and I felt the blues influence much more coming back into TMR. Since then it feels very normal and natural. I've just framed it as a sort of Guided by Voices like blues album- a bunch of short, fun, odd songs.
>>62430420
this is p good bait but bait nonetheless
