>Was him the most sophisticated jazz pianist who have ever lived?
Let's talk about jazz, fellow friends!
I don't know but Bill is by far my favorite. all hall bill.
yeah probably.
i really liked alice coltrane's technique, but bill was just so fucking delicate and simply pretty with it.
>>62403707
That jawline
>>62405318
IKR. His appearance changed a lot in his later years.
To me it seems that Ellington the pianist was always in the shadow of Ellington the bandleader, which is something I consider to be a great shame. I don't know who was the most "sophisticated" but Ellington was a fucking good pianist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6uaE2oYj4
>>62405741
I second this,
Don't let our baby jazzy thread die, /mu/
I think Tyner McCoy is better.
>>62403707
I would say so. I really enjoy the album he did with Tony Bennet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yY5CHxKDjg
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Oscar Peterson is dank
Anyone got some really interesting and internationally still obscure local talent to share? Interested in what modern jazz sounds like in countries around the world.
Some modern Estonian jazz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fw_qo6Wh2E
>>62404675
That's because of his great knowledge in harmony and things like voice leading.
>>62408642
u dont need theory 2 play jazz u square
>>62408696
but that's wrong u triangle
>>62408696
you do
>>62408624
Texas
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kScYtiy4PEs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ZApUzKnCY
>>62408624
Not sure if you already know, but there's Le Voyage De Sahar by mr. Anouar Brahem. Some really deep arabic/french jazz. He plays the oud
>>62408696
What do you think giant steps is mate? A practice on changes that go up/down in minor thirds. Note half steps (1semitone ) or whole steps (2 semitones) but giant steps 3( semitones)
>>62408584
hello horace this is horace
I didn't think the absence of a piano would be this noticeable.
>>62408696
I know theory but can't play jazz
http://rutracker.org/forum/tracker.php?nm=jazz%202016
It has been ONE (one) month, one week and a couple of days.
There have been 244 jazz releases according to RuTracker. What have you listened to?
So far, I've listened to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnC5d4oGOI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRyKmWs2EoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLpqP_JSLxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gWlsHd219E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnjPc-tw8Eo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25_Zdt6kGw
Some of these might be good. Some of these might be absolute garbage. I'll probably upload the whole albums and post them in a sharethread (or here) someday. For now the above and more can be downloaded through RuTracker.
>>62403707
Depends on what you consider 'sophisticated', i think.
My favorite might be thelonious for obvious reasons. He would hit two tones a semitone apart, to make it sound like the tone in between. He was really deep in it. His percussive technique could be seen as a bit crude, but at the same time it made for a very unique sound and noone in the world played piano like monk. A creative genius for sure, and his voicings are way out there, taking a piss on conventional ways of playing. Bill Evans really shines, imo, when he does the tonally ambiguous stuff typically associated with modal jazz. Harmonies in fourths etc. to float around tonality, not define it. Just as Monk a true master of his craft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGzTEDz_keY
Can anyone recommend me some more music like this? It's so relaxing with the strings and all. When I listen to this I feel like I'm in some hotel lobby in Hollywood starting a new perfect life.
>>62409416
This style is called Bossa Nova, search around for that.
>>62409453
I did but I can't seem to find anything similar. Jobim doesn't have much that's similar either.
>>62409416
>>62409504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGLUgbxlsYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBZoIBi9TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6KDpB6skA4
This as close as you're gonna get tbqh
Is there a decent online jazz radio out there?
>>62409595
lmgtfy.com/?q=jazz+radio
>>62409557
;____; <(That's what I was afraid of. I already know about these.)
>>62409416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5aC0hnaKu8&list=PLlfmgKCmJBrMV_76EvN188Fm8BbJUrRr5&index=22
this maybe?
Nicola Conte - Jet Sounds
>>62409220
Hello? Does /jazz/ listen to new jazz?
>tfw /mu/ was too busy spamming Bird Calls and The Epic and didn't hear the actual jazz AOTY last year
>>62410394
Name?
>>62409220
Do I need to register with RU tracker to view those releases? Sorry for noob, but I'm not familiar with ru tracker.
>>62405741
This. His solo Lotus Blossom on the Billy Strayhorn tribute is one of the most lyrical performances I've ever heard. It's a good composition in the first place and Duke captures his emotional response to the death of his friend really beautifully.
>>62410836
You ought to anyway. It's a great resource. Particularly for finding art music.
There's a guide in the sticky.
>>62410059
Most of these threads are just a circlejerk over the classics.
Personally i'm pretty lost in modern jazz, the only modern artists I know off the top of my head are Austin Peralta, Hiromi, Avishai Cohen, Omer Klein and Kurt Rosenwinkel.
>>62410500
Zhena Strigalev- Robin Goodie
>>62411022
ah cool thanks. I use soulseek mostly, but it's not great for really new releases. Does stuff go up on ru pretty quick?
>>62411166
I'm not that other anon so I don't know.
I usually just use soulseek for new stuff too but if I'm looking for older jazz compilations or art music I always go to Rutracker first.
I'm guessing it's good for new stuff too from what that other anon said tho.
Let's discuss jazz appreciation. How long do you spend with a new album? How many albums do you become acquainted with per week? What's your method to become acquainted?
These days I'm trying to focus on one old, and one new album per week. I find it pretty useless to listen to a new album unless I'm entirely concentrated on it. So that's usually headphones lying in bed at the end of the evening.
Related question: Jazz appreciation resources?
>>62411415
Uhh, allaboutjazz?
>>62405741
thank you very much for this video
>>62409220
Do you listen to modern jazz often? What would you recommend for someone who listens to just a few artists (Miles Davis, Coltrane, Bill Evans, Monk, Ellington, and Hermeto Pascoal)
There's so much it's overwhelming and I find it kinda hard getting out of my comfort zone with jazz.
Has anyone listened to pic related? Have found it recently, and I'm really diggin it though I need to listen to it more often.
>>62410059
Usually, they don't. But we gotta keep discussin' here. Months ago, I thought (wrongly) that modern jazz was a bad idea, but how mistakenly was I. Post 60s jazz and modern jazz is brilliant.
>>62409220
Great mentions thus far:
>Frank Woeste - Pocket Rhapsody
>GoGo Penguin - Man Made Object
>Avishai Cohen - Into the Silence
Which ones did you like it?
>>62411415
>How long do you spend with a new album?
If it's not that good, depending on how shit it is, I might not even waste time on a second listen. That doesn't happen often though because I'm quite good at spotting things I'll enjoy.
If I like it, it'll go into rotation and I'll listen to it as I feel like it. I don't really prescribe time but generally I like hearing things I'm not all that familiar with so new stuff get's listened to more anyway.
>How many albums do you become acquainted with per week? >What's your method to become acquainted?
I don't know what that means but I imagine like most things with music, you have to listen to it.
>Jazz appreciation resources?
The ears and hippocampus are supposed to be quite good.
>>62408735
>>62408740
no you don't.
>>62411937
I'd say to you that you stick if fewer albums (both modern and classics) instead of searching new albums. I don't know your preferences, but maybe check Pat Metheny, Tomasz Stanko, Dave Holland, Avishai Cohen, Eberhard Weber, Lars Danielsson, etc. (ECM and ACT labels)
>>62411667
Yeh that's a good site. I've recently discovered www.birdistheworm.com too, give that a go.
>>62409220
Haven't heard many from this year yet- only Avishai Cohen's, Ches Smith's, and Dr. Lonnie Smith's. Downloaded GoGo Penguin but haven't heard it yet.
>>62410394
I enjoyed this album a lot. I think it was in my top ten from last year. I'm surprised nobody else seemed to know about it. Ambrose Akinmusire is usually pretty popular.
>>62411415
When it comes to jazz, I think it's better to listen deep than to listen wide. In other words, it's better to find one great album and listen to it 10 times than to listen to 10 great albums only once. Usually on first listening to something new I get an idea of how much I want to relisten to it. If it gets a high priority I will usually give it 2-3 listens. Sometimes I listen to 4 or 5 new (to me) albums in a week and sometimes just one or even none. Just depends.
>>62412116
Epicenter was pretty good. I was expecting it to be better though
>>62411415
I spend however much I need to spend. I become acquainted with.. whatever I am interested in becoming acquainted with.
Mostly I use RYM charts to find new music.
Thus —
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?year=2016&genres=jazz
If it looks interesting, I get it. I also use RuTracker to find new albums, doing this >>62409220 tends to bring up a lot of results.
>>62411937
I'd recommend you do what I do. It IS overwhelming but you have to start somewhere.. again, RYM can help with this.
http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?year=2000s&genres=jazz
https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?year=2010s&genres=jazz
>>62412116
I enjoyed GoGoPenguin's album and Avishai Cohen's album. I tend to only upload stuff I enjoy.
>>62412240
>>62412388
Thank you, Im gonna start with a Pat Metheny and an album from RYM in your honor
>>62412362
Did you ever get that big band ECM album? I've forgotten the name of it but that looked really interesting when you were talking about it a few weeks back.
>>62412123
haha! I'm pretty new to jazz so it really takes a while for it to sink in. By method, I mean for example, focusing on one particular instrument with each listen, then another listen which encompasses all, etc.
What draws me to jazz is that I can't really understand/comprehend it and I see it as a challenge. I'm a physicist, and this is the attitude I took to physics - trying to understand things that from the outside look very abstract and complex, breaking it down and then seeing how it's put together. I also love death metal - at the beginning it was like wtf is this, but then once I listened deeply and acquired a taste for it, it has become my go to genre for 20 years now.
>>62412562
>focusing on one particular instrument with each listen, then another listen which encompasses all
These can both be pretty rewarding ways of listening to music in general. There isn't really a technique or anything beyond that though. It's just a skill you can develop if you enjoy listening to music like that.
One thing I will say is that I've become a more attentive listener after doing the jazz blindfold threads for a while.
Funny enough I'm studying physics in college atm and I get the same buzz you're talking about and it definitely has an impact on what I look for in music too.
>>62412503
It comes out Friday I believe
>>62411775
I didn't make it or upload it, but you're welcome I guess anon.
Does anyone have a decent chart for beginning with jazz? I've listened to a bunch of these classics such as Kind of Blue and A Love Supreme, yet I feel like I listen passively, if that makes sense - I just like the way the instruments sound, and I dont feel like I really engage with the actual music. Maybe I should find some albums that have less improvisation?
>>62413203
Pic related is the best chart I've seen but don't take it as a bible.
Obviously it'd be impossible to include everyone who deserves to be included in a chart like this but it's a good resource for beginners.
Is this any amazing, classic jazz with a large trombone section? Honestly the only one I can think of is this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c
>>62413411
Is there*
>>62413335
thanks man
>>62412362
hi jtg. what are some of your favorite jazz albums released after 2010? I know you're into Alex Sipiagin but what else would you consider essential?
>>62408621
god how can you listen to that shit? Oscar Peterson is total pleb core. No subtlety, all showyness.
>durr look how hard we're swinging guis
>>62413411
Look at Paul Chambers, looking so fly in the back there.
Also, I'm guessing you're not counting Miles' other work with Gil.
But if there's a good big band, it'll probably have a good trombone player. Sam Nanton's stuff with Duke is pretty fantastic but if you meant something more modern, try Buddy Rich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB3mI6lMpuw&ab_channel=johnnystaccata
>>62413744
>Also, I'm guessing you're not counting Miles' other work with Gil.
Yeah that was just an example.
Thanks by the way, will check this out. I really like largeness of big bands, but I don't like the focusedness of it. The improvisational aspect of small jazz ensembles, is what I'm going for, but on a larger scale, I think this is pretty fantastic what you posted here.
>>62413515
>he doesn't like swing
>>62413481
other than Alex Sipiagin-
Yosvany Terry- Today's Opinion
Steve Lehman- Mise en Abime
David Virelles- Mboko
Craig Taborn- Chants
Rudresh Mahanthappa- Gamak
Luis Perdomo- Links
Chris Potter- Transatlantic
Conrad Herwig- A Voice Through the Door
Anthony Braxton or Roscoe Mitchel?
>>62414232
Braxton
they're both overrated but Braxton less so
Reminder that if you enjoy listening to or talking about jazz in any capacity that you should be posting in the jazz /blindfold/ test threads every Monday.
They're fun and there's no minimum "jazz knowledge" requirement to post.
This week's theme is flute jazz:
http://www22.zippyshare.com/v/933WbpJL/file.html
Info on how the threads work:
http://pastebin.com/2yCLLBrj
>>62412388
>http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?year=2000s&genres=jazz
>https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?year=2010s&genres=jazz
both of these lists are pretty bad
>>62414939
https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?chart_type=esoteric&year=2000s&genres=jazz
https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?chart_type=esoteric&year=2010s&genres=jazz
Do these fit your retarded hipster tastes better?
>>62414939
>rym
what did you expect?
>>62414669
>Braxton
>less overrated than Mitchell
For Alto is one of the most well known free jazz albums ever but did nothing that Mitchell and crew weren't doing years before. Mitchell advanced free jazz past just playing loud and aggressive. Outside of innovation Braxton is a robot in his playing while Mitchell actually has expression of some sort.
>>62405741
Can someone recommend me some Ellington albums that focus on his piano? Preferably entirely solo piano but anything's good mane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR_ISdDhTcc
>>62408584
>not posting the superior track
http://youtu.be/jt2gRIJ8vME
Horace is not only a unique piano player but, just as great of a composer.
>>62415460
So underrated desu. His feel for latin tunes is amazing and his swing is incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZZFIR76Hbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yttc-i_vA8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpxmpE5oK-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIrE6sZduWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pgYPonXo1s
>>62415190
Money Jungle has just him with Mingus and Max Roach.
>>62408756
fuck man i love robert glasper
do you enjoy this album anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_916snRF_g
i just love it
>>62415190
This is a great performance, I've been looking for a download of it:
https://youtu.be/RsGm0Y49-TA
I'm actually pretty into Bossa Nova.
The problem I have with it, though, is a whole mess of it is basically "loung music". Which, don't get me wrong, I enjoy. But I feel like Bossa Nova also has at its disposal an ability to use for a real fucking great Latin rhythm, you know, jazz that gets you moving.
Do you guys know of any 'up', real energetic and dance-able Bossa Nova (or BNish) albums?
>>62403707
guys, recommend me the saddest jazz you know. i want to feel depressed and sophisticated at the same time.
something like chet Baker sings
>>62405741
What is the name of that piece? It's beautifully haunting.
>>62418755
Would blues do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTiXc3ttPNA
>search bebop
>no results
Mein gott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcNkzigYcgM
>>62418918
At what point anon, Ellington plays a bunch of pieces in the video.
Stopping by to lurk and share one of my faves. Milt Jackson rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQY-ZAyYbO4
I really recommend this album.
>>62418967
This.
Contributing moar bebop. I like Rhythm a Ning a lot, but this live version really takes the cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Di_mswqhLU
My favorite part is Larry Gales' solo.
Top notch.
>>62418755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUCyjDOlnPU
>>62415190
Piano in the Foreground is probably the one you want - just Duke with bass & drums
This One's For Blanton! is him and bassist Ray Brown
both are really consistent albums too
Tfw I make a post just like this yesterday with 0 replies
>>62420174
been there.
>>62420174
>>62395166 think I found it lmao.
Best Lee Morgan album?
>>62408624
hello neighbor
here's a new group from Finland with their first album coming soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xesh-RQXIdY
Jukka Eskola is not totally obscure internationally, but close enough for this purpose
>>62421252
Sidewinder or Cornbread
>>62421490
Yeh I've heard both of these, I dig both. Would like to explore his work further so wondering if anyone has any reccs. Excuse my laziness but does anyone know if he teams up with Hancock on any other albums?
Actually, the how about the lineup on Search for the New Land! Lee, Hancock, Shorter, Green, Higgins. Yet I've never seen it discussed here before.
>>62422758
Search for the New Land is another major classic Morgan album with Hancock, Wayne Shorter on sax, Grant Green on guitar, Reggie Workman on bass and Billy Higgins on drums
Then there is The Procrastinator with Hancock, Shorter, Bobby Hutcherson, Ron Carter and Higgins) - it was originally released as a posthumous double album with a different group on the second disc, but at least the modern day Spotify version has just the 6 tracks with that band
Also Standards features Hancock, but isn't that good IMHO.
>>62413881
Swing beats are cool but OP is just basic pleb tier jazz.
Danny Richmond is fucking sick I reckon
>>62414780
I'm yet to see one of these threads. Will have to check on Monday
>>62422870
by OP i meant Oscar Peterson btw. Not original poster
>>62422857
Thanks will be sure to check both!
>>62410059
yeah man i love kendrick lamar
cant believe no one mentioned sun ra
only the single best jazz pianist in history
I went to an Avishai Cohen concert last week. Half of the tracks played were played for the first time. We were like 2000 people. Anyone interested?
>>62404675
alice coltrane is better at playing harp than piano desu
Thelonious Monk everyday
>>62425450
is he going to release a new album soon then ?
this would make 2016 a promising year as far as Israeli jazz is concerned
>>62425350
is this b8?
>>62425951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR0oSpRA_B4
>>62426074
too bad Gilmore best recordings aren't even with Sun Ra lol
>>62425450
sure, I'm going to be seeing his trio live in July
>>62425350
why do jazz fans glorify mental illness?
>>62408696
Coltrane studied theory for a long time before he was famous. Wiki it faggot
>>62426350
>jazz fans
>sun ra fans
two different things m8
Why does he look so distraught?
>>62426802
>he can't into Sun Ra
lol pleb
>>62408624
This is some corny music.
>>62427079
Oh no. I don't want to be a pleb. I guess I'd better start liking Sun Ra and calling everyone who doesn't like him a pleb right? That way everybody knows how patrician I am right?
>>62426350
/indieheads/ who can't into jazz because "muh noise" are the only ones that glorify this
bump
What's your opinion on Nu Jazz?
Not really dug into it, any noteworthy releases?
>>62426844
entry point for his career?
>>62428668
I like the rhytimic influences of it. GoGo Penguin is pretty good
>>62428694
>>62408624
Amit friedman from israel. Such a gorgeus piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCVkP_nJto
>>62408775
I love oud Jazz. The Amon Hofman stuff with Avishai cohen are amazing.
>>62409320
That was a beautiful read.
>>62422758
Tomcat is fucking crazy man.
>>62413335
Does there exist an archive of these? Soulseek is as usual a nightmare and I don't have enough buffer on my private trackers.
>>62403707
Let's all agree that Hank Mobley has a handful of awesome, energetic and beautiful hard bop albums? I feel like he's not mentioned here enough. Great leaderman
Can anyone direct me to some recently released experimental jazz? I'd be incredibly thankful.
>>62431130
>>62431130
experimental in what way?
I'm pretty sure this could do, it's from 2012
>>62430430
I think I might try and put a mega folder of it sometime, if there isn't one already. A lot of those might be possible to find through the archive already though.
>>62431130
See >>62409220
All of these released this year.. most of them are labeled avant-garde jazz by RYM. Is that true or not? Who knows?
Hey boys, i've been starting with jazz theory and guitar lately
Can you guys recommend me some albums where i can check out some playing? Something that wont instantly blow up my brain
>>62433052
Do you already know Wes montgomery or Grant Green? More modern, maybe Pat Metheny or Ralph Towner? I don't know exactly what you are looking for, but those are great guitarrists :)
>>62431130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUUjDQk3Jxs
>>62418383
Sure anon.
Bahama Soul Club - Rhythm Is What Makes Jazz Jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEUXypukVxU
Bossa Nova Just Smells Funky is cool too, but I prefer this one. Basically made for dancing.
>>62433052
Start from the beginning with Charlie Christian
>>62433238
im just looking to find as much as i can really, ill keep lurking around and pick up on the jazz scene
>>62433557
and thanks for the recs
>>62425844
>>62426189
I don't know if he's gonna release an album.
About the tracks:
The first track played was a track which progressively increased in aggressivity, sound volume but not rythm. Great for an intro.
The second one was a groovy, funky one.
I don't remember a lot of the third one, except a smooth piano solo.
The fourth one was my favourite. In the second part of the track, the drummer was like... stopping time. There are no other words to explain that. It was not a "I hit super fast things super loudly" drum solo, it was like... like this scene in Kung-fu panda with the water ddroplet. I seriously cannot describe it.
The other tracks were really cool, wiith Avishai being great, as always, and very funny. In the middle of a song, he stopped playing, and went to take the drummer's sticks. The drummer kept going with his hands. Avishai went back to his place, removed the sheets there were on his pupil, and started a riff with the sticks on it. Truely amazing.
Also there's a moment when the musician trade places: Avishai goes piano, the pianist goes drums, and the drummer goes double bass.
No need to mention that everyone stood up at the end.
>>62433052
Frisell
Can I have fusion recs under the label of ECM (AKA more modern fusion)? Other labels are good aswell.
>>62403707
That's not the Dwarf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJRLkxMGcI
how do i improvise with good phrasing?
>>62433531
Hey thanks man.
Do you happen to have a dl for this? Links are all from a long time ago, completely dead.
If not, thanks anyway
>>62437365
all hail the Dwarf, he's not enough mentionned around here
>>62441654
You're welcome!
I uploaded it to dropbox for you.
Have fun with it!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ielowfadd0idsou/Rhythm%20Is%20What%20Makes%20Jazz%20Jazz%20%28BU002CD%29.zip?dl=0
