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Let's try again, but this time, we should talk about IDM.
/IDM/ is for:
>Discussion of IDM albums, songs, and artists, from well-known to unknown
>Posting of IDM that you find remarkable in some way via Youtube, Soundcloud, or Bandcamp
>Discovering new IDM
/IDM/ is not for:
>Pointless arguments about the meaning of IDM
If you are confused about IDM, want to get into the genre, or don't know who the "big 4" are please see these artists:
>Aphex Twin
>Autechre
>Boards of Canada
>Squarepusher
faggot op, just stick to the old one it's not even 300 replies yet
please delete this thread to avoid both threads from dying
WATMM represent
We're calling it Intricate dance music from now on. I declare it law.
>>61941954
Nah, delete the old thread instead.
Let's talk about why Casino Versus Japan and Freescha are better than BoC.
>>61941954
>but but my efforts
You forgot to put your trip on.
>>61942078
Hahaha
>>61943471
It's funny because it's true.
>>61943763
Whatever you say man.
>>61941998
i like this
>>61942078
>muh CvJ and Freescha sound similar enough to BoC to compare them meme
Yawn.
>>61941998
I also like this. I'm gonna start using that
Tripfag-free? Nice. Let's keep it that way. What do you think of this chart?
>>61941998
Too pretencious. I like to call it braindance.
>>61942078
my taste in music > your taste in music :^)
>>61944325
That is a good chart
>>61941998
I actually did that once. Before that, it was "Intelligent" Dance Music. Both times people made a big deal over what it should be called and why, so we agreed that it should just be "IDM" so that IDM could mean whatever they felt it meant.
>>61944325
:[
I'd put Oversteps instead of Tri Repetae or Confield, it's more accesible and better.
I am the cat
(I AM THE CAT)
>>61944440
>Oversteps
>accessible
It's my favorite Autechre album, but come on. Most people will wonder what the fuck kind of melodies they're listening to and never touch Autechre again.
>yeah im a huge idm fan
>autechre, aphex twin, boards of canada, squarepusher, the list could go on...
>>61944823
It's my favorite too but the melodies are pretty accesibles, not so much as their first 3 albums.
Also, that chart is recomending Confield aka the most inaccesible Autechre album ever
>>61944850
To be fair, each of those artists have pretty huge discographies.
>>61941882
Where do I start with Autechre if I'm not into ambient?
>>61945238
Draft/untilted
>>61945238
Incunabula, then go in chronological order. Their only releases I would call ambient are Amber, Garbage, and Oversteps.
>>61944325
>body riddle
>glitch
most of the instruments on that album are sampled live instruments and there's almost no glitchy tones whatsoever, this chart is fucking retarded. not to mention
>mhtrtc = ambient techno somehow
I'm fucking mad
>>61941882
why are boards of canada's absolute best tracks all pre-mhtrtc?
whitewater, mukhinabaht, that one off r35tt that might be 5d, the list goes on...
>>61945538
Protip: they're not
>>61945538
I just wish they did more tracks like Chinook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrV21ZVxRIs
>>61945741
prove me wrong then friendo
>>61945803
never cared for that one too much honestly, but it would be interesting to see them go back and do more typical 'idm' stuff like they did on hi scores/likely also in their unreleased mid 90s stuff
>>61945859
Actually I take back that comment on Chinook, just went and listened to it again and the second half is p great. I wanna see more abrasive BoC.
Oh and check out the song Korona if you haven't
>>61945859
>1. Telephasic Workshop
Done. One of Boards of Canada's absolute best songs is not pre-MHTRTC.
>>61944481
so far what ive heard from venetian snares is meh. what album would you recommend
>>61945998
Maybe you just don't like Venetian Snares. But I would say Stupid Chocolate Wheelchair Album.
>>61945929
IMO that's always been one of the better songs on that album but not close to the best, it's still great and incredibly well executed though. If I were to pick MHtRtC tracks to put in their best it would have to be Wildlife Analysis, An Eagle In Your Mind, Olson, or Sixtyten (I would also add Aquarius but the version on the Peel Session EP is superior.)
>>61945296
listening now
>>61946104
>Sixtyten
I never got this meme. It doesn't sound at all like it belong on the album. It's so... forward. It clashes with all the other shit. I don't like it.
>>61945998
Chocolate Wheelchair like >>61946072 said or maybe Cavalcade for straight breakcore done really well (likely the best done by him,) Winter in the Belly of a Snake or Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding for glitchy stuff, Detrimentalist for stupidly fun raggacore, and Doll Doll Doll or Shitfuckers for really dark and abrasive stuff with a very slight industrial drum n bass influence
Personally I'd start with Cavalcade (most basic) -> Chocolate Wheelchair, and then if you want abrasiveness go to Doll Doll Doll -> Shitfuckers, if you want glitchy stuff go Huge Chrome Cylinder Box -> Winter
>>61946185
never seen it memed but it's great mate, it really takes on the hip hop/breakbeat influence without going into it full tilt like smokes quantity and it uses the voice chopping stuff they like to do to great effect to make something that sounds like a nightmare while still keeping their sound
Does this count?
https://youtu.be/Nqotxr3TbgU I am the ocean.
What's your currentl favorite IDM track?
https://youtu.be/86vsKcnFcwg
>>61944481
Fucking incredible album m8
>>61946257
thanks man
>>61946379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZKzweMEH3w
This entire album is actually one of my all-time favorites. Easily the best thing RDJ's made in the past 10 years.
>>61946446
death fuck is the best track on it desu
Why do you call it IDM if you don't dance to it
>>61946494
because idm started off as a variation of club/dance music (alternate takes on techno, breakbeat hardcore, dnb, etc)
>>61945538
But Geogaddi > all
GEOGADDI > ALL
Pretty good.
>>61946640
album-wise yes (other than maybe an alternate universe rework of BoC Maxima and MHtRtC that mixes the best of the two together to make a more coherent album)
song wise I'd say both BoC Maxima and maybe MHtRtC top it as far as having the best songs
in other words their previous albs have se better individual songs but Geogaddi is the most consistently great
>>61946946
*previous albums have some better individual songs
fuck I can't type
Does anyone have suggestions for complex and layered electronic music that's also at least a little fast-paced? Not necessarily dance music, but music that's not "chill". Distorted vocals is also a plus.
Don't know if this is the right thread for this since this isn't really exclusive to IDM I think.
A few artists I like:
Jon Hopkins
Iglooghost
Floating Points
The Flashbulb
Andreilien
Ishome
Shpongle
>intelligent dance music
AKA navel-gazing shit
electronic music at its core is supposed to be droning and 'dumb'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNE2oCZH_4k
What are some good techno albums?
>>61947238
>albums
Not entirely IDM, or maybe not IDM at all, but I like FlyLo, Teebs, and more hip hop influenced stuff. I've just recently downloaded BoC, Squarepusher, and Autechre and haven't gotten to that yet. I have always like Aphex though because of it's dancey feeling to it. Anything you guys can rec that is similar? Like has a FEEL to it. Like I enjoy the feels of Teebs, I can't really explain. Thanks in advance fellas!
>inb4 "spoon feed me"
It's a vast genre. Leave me alone.
>>61947079
>Shpongle
>>61947395
Well, BoC certainly have a "feel." Pretty strong one at that, in the atmospheric sense. You'll likely pick up on it, because I know what you mean about Teebs' "feel" and think we might have similar receptors
>>61947395
nit rlly idm but have you heard slugabed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvAUR8xUj8w
>>61947259
yea, albums. Like Steracs-The Secret Life of Machines. What are some other good albums?
>>61947481
Awesome! I wasn't sure where to start with the 3/4 of the "big 4" I havent listened to. BoC it is! Thanks man, I'll likely pick it up like you said. Anything similar? Or anywhere with the discog I should start in particular?
>>61947525
I have not! At work right now so I will play this track when I get off, thanks!
>>61947771
Well, I personally think MHTRTC is their best, and it's the first one I was exposed two eight long years ago at the ripe age of 16 when I just started browsing 4chan. I think it has the best atmosphere. This is a popular opinion, the other main popular opinion being that Geogaddi is the best. The Campfire Headphase is also great but rather offbeat compared to the prior two. I'd start with that "trilogy" and branch out from there.
>>61947771
If you're into hip-hop then I'd listen to their Hi Scores EP first
>>61948130
I don't know if I would recommend an EP as the cherry-popper for any artist I listen to. MHTRTC, Geogaddi and TCH all have hip-hop elements but are also richer in overall content. I dig Hi Scores but I don't think anyone should start there if they want to hear what most people describe listening to Boards of Canada as. If any EP, then definitely In A Beautiful Place Out In the Country, but while that's wonderful, it lacks the feature-length feel of an album because, well, it's an EP (albeit the most true to their sound IMO)
>>61947238
there's a good one on the mu wiki that i cant find right now, contains detroit, electro, dub, idm and all that jazz
>>61948301
why not? i think boc's eps contain some of their strongest material. same with autechre.
>>61947395
Prefuse 73 basically invneted glitch hop, not very atmospheric, but i think you'll like it, also everything Brainfeeder puts out is worthy of a listen if you like flylo, he owns the label, listen to samiyam and ras g
>>61948549
Did you get through the first sentence of my post and stop reading? I literally explained my train of thought.
>>61947395
What this guy said >>61948593 about Prefuse 73, and if you like glitch hop, you are required to listen to edIT - Crying Over Pros For No Reason
>>61947395
I'd recommend the first few Daedelus records, the first Jackson and his Computer Band album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1hfMHDodc
and second the Prefuse rec. But I can't stress enough to get the older stuff from all these artists because for different reasons they all fell the fuck off.
In fact, I think the Prefuse pseudonym Savath + Savalas album Folk Songs for Trains, Trees and Honey would be perfect for you.
>>61948624
Sorry mate lol. Fair enough, but I disagree. Hi Scored is album length anyway.
>woke at 0430
>showered and prepped to wagecuck all day
>had a certain song on repeat
>return from job
>blare that song and blaze
Windowlicker intro extended
>>61947994
>>61948130
Awesome. I'll give em a listen tonight or tomorrow! EPs are very welcome. Some of my favorite releases were EPs.
>>61948593
>>61948704
Will check out Prefuse 73! I feel like my buddy showed me edIT and it was too glitchy for me to casually listen to, but it was dope regardless. I'll give it another shot though. I also really dig all those dudes. I'm from LA so I'm familiar with these guys because of Low End and similar shows.
>>61948848
I enjoy Daedelus still. He's a cool guy too. His newer stuff is lacking, but still a good listen. I'll check those recs out though thanks.
Thanks for the recs m8s!
Can anyone recommend me some ambient IDM tracks/albums? I started getting into Boards of Canada as well as Autechre's Amber.
>>61944325
4B has the wrong album cover. that's Bola - Soup not The Flashbulb's Krilian Selections.
>>61949519
Amber was hard for me to get into because it was the first album of his that I heard and I was told 'IDM' when it was way less committal than that, almost ambient-ish. I think his other albums are supposed to be different
>>61945998
Detrimentalist is pretty easy to get into to I feel. Meathole's good to if you like darker stuff.
My Top 25 Glitch/IDM/Breakcore Albums of All Time
1. Amon Tobin - Out From Out Where
2. Venetian Snares - Songs About My Cats
3. weyheyhey !! - Harlott
4. Igorrr - Nostril
5. Alva Noto - Unitxt
6. Autechre - Gantz Graf
7. Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
8. Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children
9. Goreshit - Tomboyish Love For Daughter
10. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma
11. Nero's Day At Disneyland - From Rotting Fantasylands
12. Pan Sonic - Kesto (Disc One)
13. Ryoji Ikeda - Dataplex
14. Squarepusher - Hard Normal Daddy
15. Blaerg - Everything Was Altered
16. Oval - 94 Diskont
17. Sweet Trip - Velocity : Design : Comfort
18. µ-Ziq - Royal Astronomy
19. Ametsub - Linear Cryptics
20. Cyclo - Id
21. Terminal 11 - Fractured Sunshine
22. Datach'i - The Elements
23. Eero Johannes - Eero Johannes
24. Plaid - Not For Threes
25. Weâ„¢ - As Is.
>>61949519
Go to radom.org, choose number from 1 to 25 and listen to the corresponding album from my list above
>>61947395
Plaid is pretty feelsy
Squarepusher and weyheyhey !! have the best rhythms (together with some Venetian Snares tracks, but in a completely different way).
>>61950040
>kesto disk one
one day you'll realize the true patrician choice is disk three.
>>61950040
Ayyy forgot about Nero's Day. FRF is bonkers
>>61950177
I'm still not ready for it. I'm so sorry.
>>61950205
It's a crazy album, and surprisingly great at times in ways this style of music usually isn't.
>>61950040
Reminder that breakcore causes brain cancer.
>>61949519
the obvious rec would be aphex's selected ambient works 2
for more idm-y stuff try kid606 - ps i love you or aerovane (who is actually really great for fans of early autechre, amber in particular)
for something less idm-y and more just underrated ambient techno try vapourspace - sweep
if you want to go out limb and try some weird non-idm glitch-ambient try oval's stuff from the 90s. if you want some soft/nonabrasive stuff start with diskont and systemisch, and if you want something a bit more abrasive/timbrally interesting (and imo far superior) go for their late 90s stuff like pre-commers and ovalcommers
as far as boards of canada recs i'll just list off some artists
black moth super rainbow: not idm at all but aesthetically shares lots of similarities in their early (pre-dandelion gum) albums, would definitely recommend to boc fans regardless of it technically not being the same genre
christ.: actual former boards of canada member, won't seem too similar at first (especially from an aesthetic standpoint) but compositionally they're very similar, would also heavily recommend as essential boc-core
the seven fields of aphelion: former black moth super rainbow synth player's ambient project, slightly hit or miss but when she hits it's near perfect
bibio: early stuff sounds like boc+folk, his newer stuff (particularly ambivalence avenue) has some lo-fi synths and guitar but mostly shares compositional similarities with boards. both eras if his discography are excellent and would highly recommend
one on twoism: fan collective that make music like boc, some of it can be p great
casino vs japan and freescha: some good ambient stuff often compared to boc
obligatory tycho rec: i personally think he's shit but a lot of people like him, if you like hearing inferior copies of campfire headphase 80 times over try him
might add more as replies to this post as i can think of more
>>61950443
I agree with all of your BoC recs. I disagree that Tycho is shit and a TCH ripoff. The Science is a great album and came out three years before TCH, and if you dislile TPIP and Dive then I feel sorry for ya.
>>61950443
adding some samples
aphex twin - saw 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baKA1B5Ymuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AWIqXzvX-U
kid606 - ps i love you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIUJFZtVR18
arovane - pe valor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQwvMbIAqA
vapourspace - sweep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSASPri-bNo (not the best sample but the only one on youtube)
oval -
systemisch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQA9imIqtos
pre-commers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdA1ExZXras
black moth super rainbow -
start a people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmt1tYwfIRA
falling through a field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFLrcqSQfs
christ.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ev4V0VfYps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwzCi1Yn2WQ
seven fields of aphelion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_xTAhIrvs
bibio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEt9I9xhm3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlyFBW4rWIg
one on twoism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDZQcdpmBHA
casino vs japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVwyB3nhwws
freescha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8UaOZrfn1Y
tycho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA0dGYgk22U
also don't forget to check out boc's publicly unreleased albums/mixtapes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2l7UPVeeWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufgpCJxDDIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A786lOX8jc
>>61950624
The only redeeming quality about Dive is it's album cover.
>>61951977
Wow ur makin me sweat bruh
>>61952051
It's not an unpopular opinion round these parts bruv, you'd know this if you'd been here for more than just 2 months.
>>61952075
Cheeky jab m8, the old popularity grab and all that, well played, I'm without refutation
>Squarepusher
>Big 4
He sounds so amateur compared to the other 3. Whats the best album?
>>61952132
you see, i think boc sounds amateur compared to the others
>>61952132
>>61952150
>"i try to put the big 4 in one box"
What are your favorite first wave IDM tunes, /IDM/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6xCIsjVB_M
>>61952179
i don't, but i just don't get the appeal of boc, they're fairly bland imo. i don't even really like squarepusher, but at least he changes it up a bit and has a wide variety of styles.
>>61952211
Not sure how much BoC you've listened to, but they have many different faces, mainly dictated by timeline. What have you heard?
>>61952211
Squarepusher just a bad rip of Aphex Twin, at least Autechre and BoC have their own style
>>61952259
boc is a bad rip-off of early autechre
>>61952244
everything
i guess i was exaggerating because i do like hi scores and a few of the more hip-hop oriented tracks off mhtrtc.
>>61952286
are they really that similar? boc only really sounds like a few of the tracks off amber, and desu that's part of the reason i think that's one of ae's weakest efforts (because it's too close to the ambient techno style and not as unique as some of their other stuff)
i actually don't hear much boc in incunabula besides maybe bike
>IDM
>genre
>anything but a mailing list name
>>61941882
>>Aphex Twin
ambient techno/jungle
>>Autechre
techno
>>Boards of Canada
downtempo
>>Squarepusher
future jazz
>>61942078
Casino Versus Japan and Freescha
downtempo
>>61944325
the actual genres are at the bottom
>>61944481
breackore, a breakbeat genre
>>61947079
>Jon Hopkins
house
>Floating Points
downtempo/techno
>Shpongle
downtempo / psytrance
>>61947395
>FlyLo
jazz hop / instrumental hip hop
>Teebs
instrumental hip hop
>Prefuse 73
glitch hop
Why don't you just call this thread ''electronic music general' since you have techno, house, ambient, downtempo, hip hop, synthpop, breakbeat and other genres too?
>>61953067
good morning turny
>>61953076
nope
>>61953067
i don't have an issue with calling it "idm" but you are correct in that it isn't a genre, but rather more like a movement (much like krautrock)
IDM is the fedora of electronic music
As progressive is to the 70s and 80s, IDM is to the 90s and 00s
>>61953111
Sure, if you just include the artists on the original mailing list, most in these threads are as much IDM as Skrillex
/bleep/ is awake lads
>>61952207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJnm2N8skg
>>61953133
Was Skrillex mentioned in the mailing list?
The mailing list mentioned artists like Carl Craig and some first/second wave detroit techno acts, and honestly I wouldn't mind discussing them in "IDM" threads due to their similarities to first wave IDM, and the fact plenty of "IDM" DJ's would use detroit techno tunes in IDM mixes in the early 90's
>>61953119
maybe 00's, but '90s "IDM" wasn't really "fedora"
back then the music put under that label was pretty much club music that you'd be unable to dance to in a club.
>>61953133
yeah, it's weird. i dunno, what was considered IDM after the turn of the century was so far removed from what it originated as, that i just find the term sorta meaningless. like the breakcore/spazzy type stuff? eh. but i reckon this discussion is a bit stale :^)
>tfw you hear pic related for the first time and realize it's proto-old-tunes-BoC mixed with the best aspects of chiptune done in the most whimsical prog electronic manner possible
I know it's not IDM but what a fucking great album, can't believe I haven't checked it out until now.
what ever happened to calling these threads /bloop/, it made a shitload more sense and you'd have none of these arguments
What's the best track on the first AI comp? And the second?
>>61953298
god, you'd think people would have common sense in terms of what should be posted in those generals, but the last time we had a /bloop/ thread we had a bunch of people trying to post grimes and shit. i think people just like to be deliberately obtuse.
>>61953191
Yeah because original IDM was just ambient techno. Now its just anything you'd get hated on in /bleep/ for.
>>61953298
/bloop/ was never a thing, nothing more than an imaginary strawman /bleep/w would project its insecurities unto.
>>61953335
There is fuck all similarity in most of these threads, there is no common sense theme.
>its experimental electronic music
Where is Stockhausen, Cage, Scaheffer, Otomo, Sachiko M?
>>61953360
>Cage, Scaheffer
/classical/
>Otomo, Sachiko M
/avanteen/
>>61953360
>its experimental electronic music
yeah, that's why "dance" needs to be put in there, even if it isn't necessarily easy to dance to - at least it's rooted in it (unlike musique concrete and onkyo and lowercase and contemporary classical). but then you have middle ground type stuff like glitch. there are just too many genres/subgenres for it to be so vague.
>>61953344
>anything you'd get hated on in /bleep/ for
lmao, perfect, that should be the thread disclaimer
Why does everyone think IDM is a pretentious name? I always thought the intelligent bit referred to artificial intelligence, not smart people shit.
(sorry if someone already said that, haven't read thread yet)
>>61953401
there are no subgenres if IDM, its a small bunch of artists from a mailing list, anything else is different genres completely
>Raster Noton is a an IDM subgenre label
looooool
>>61953409
/bleep/ doesn't hate aphex and the like though, they just hate the "list goes on" folks
no one will shit on you if you post aphex among other artists there (thus proving you have knowledge beyond the "list goes on" gang)
>>61953424
IDGAF about the name, doesn't bother me at all, its the artists people post ITT that are not IDM at all, IDM is not an umbrella term for any electronic music thats not /bleep/
>>61953426
i wasn't talking about idm - i know it isn't a genre, i was talking about /bloop/
should have been more clear
stop responding to him you retards
>>61953439
lol, i love /bleep/ but they have certain list goes on artists/labels themselves
>>61953450
/bloop/ with a disclaimer explaining what the threads are for makes more sense than a trigger acronym and a thread full of non-IDM artists
>>61953477
>>61953450
>>61953426
>>61953401
we've had more successful /IDM/ threads than /bloop/ threads
it's like trying to rename /bleep/ into /club/ because reasons
>>61953477
sure it's better but they're just as unsuccessful. /bloop/ threads hardly ever break 20 posts.
>>61953493
>>61953503
These threads are the same old arguments though, its only alive not because I'm bitching
early ambient techno and glitch are some of my favourite genres, pisses me off these threads are then full of 80% not IDM
>>61953530
they do fine during late brit/early american hours when you seem to be away
>>61953545
I was here for the start, then it took its usual route of including anything you want thats not EDM so I left again
>>61953556
is idm even a thing tho...?
like, that seems to be the main issue. what IS IDM? there isn't a concrete definition, really. even if we just go by the list, i mean fucking björk is on the mailing list and i doubt people want to talk about her in an "idm" thread.
>>61953587
you're right, they'd want to talk about her co-producers from her idm phase, matmos, who would fit right in
>>61953660
good point.
>>61941957
kill yourself
>>61944481
help i need money
>>61953303
>What's the best track on the first AI comp
de-orbit
>And the second?
havent heard that one
>>61953303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4N2ci3elK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DH365BZYYM
>>61953303
Favorite off the first has to be The Egg - no matter how much of a "predictable" choice it is. When the scratching and chopped up vocals start up? wew, what a track.
Don't love the second one tbqh, but it's been a while. I'll have to re-listen to it. I think I rem liking the B12 tune tho.
>>61950040
>Eero Johannes
MUH NIGGER
Why do people dislike Drukqs? I fucking love it, great variation, some high tempo glitch, some downtempo. It feels like a more personal album. I just don't get it.
>>61955375
a lot of it just sounds like wanky jungle to me
that being said, a bunch of people like it on /mu/
>>61955392
For me, it got amazing after continuously relistening to it, the wankyness goes somewhat away.
is there Any artist like autechre ? being this updated from techno to experimental idm and great at all of them
>>61951183
Just wanted to thank you for posting these samples. I hadn't heard most of them and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Unless, of course you left the thread. In which case just FUCK YOU, OKAY?
What are the different "waves" or "branches" of IDM? There is the Ambient Techno said on one hand, and there is also the Autechre-sound, and the Drill n Bass style. But what about genres like Glitch? Are they related to the genre in any way? What about albums like Cosmogramma? What are the roots of that album?
Btw, if you don't like discussing about genres, you can go fuck yourself right away.
>>61956763
Yeah. Xanopticon, Venetian Snares' Huge Chrome, and Richard Devine
>>61950040
you don't like Vladislav Delay, or Oval, or Alec Empire?
>>61941998
most of it isn't even meant for dancing
the "M" for music is about right tho, we can keep that
>>61959799
I like Oval; everything that isn't Do While from 94 Diskont (including the bonus tracks), and some moments from Wohnton. Vladislav Delay I have heard some stuff by him, but nothing has sticked out yet. Alec Empire had some cool moments on The Destroyer, but that was a long time ago, maybe I would enjoy him more now.
>>61959402
>But what about genres like Glitch?
Not IDM
>What about albums like Cosmogramma?
>What are the roots of that album?
Hip hop
>>61959799
>Vladislav Delay, Oval
Techno
> Alec Empire
Breakbeat, hardcore
>>61960065
I think you missed the point of my post.
>>61953067
oh no, this fag again
>>61960202
He's right, dumbasses.
>>61960244
Of course you are. :)
>>61959402
the generally accepted waves are
1990-94
1st wave, aka electronic listening music, aka ambient techno, aka uk's take on detroit techno
1994-99
2nd wave, jungle influences get into the genre and give birth to drill and bass, trip-hop influences the downtempo side of things at the same time
1999-05
3rd wave, aka near universal adoption of glitchy gimmicks, breakcore and boc clones dominate the sound
2005-current
post-3rd wave, idem is officially a shell of it's former self, dominated by furfag breakcore "musicians" and pretentious chill downtempo "artists"
this gives a rough idea I think
>>61954752
De-orbit is amazing, Crystel is my second fav, on volume 2 i think Utuba is the best
>>61960330
oh yeah and artists like flylo and amon tobin are from the camp that started getting big around the time when idm became a dirty word so they don't associate themselves with the idm movement whatsoever
>>61960330
IDM was dead by 1999, there is no IDM now.
>>61960437
well, yeah
>>61955392
but wanky jungle is great anon
How come I never hear anything on Songs About Me Cats?
It was a bit of a weird intro to VS for me but what do y'all think, too wanky?
>>61960065
i know delay, oval and empire isn't idm, but oval are definitely glitch, and alex empire pioneered breakcore, maybe including delay was wrong, i consider him to be both techno and ambient, but to call him ambient techno feels wrong
>>61960528
Glitch is glitch
Breakcore is breakcore
Whats either to do with IDM?
>>61959834
The "D" is important tho
>>61960643
What? The poster i replied to listed his fav glitch/idm/breakcore albums, that's what i was commenting on
>>61959861
Delay is one of my favorite artists, but he's a real grower, Anima and Multila is my favs by him, especially the track Huone if you like techno
>>61947395
>Teebs
my nigga. since you're looking for more music like his, have you listened to all his stuff? he had a vinyl only release a couple of months ago that you can download somewhere on the internet. There's also "Cecilia tapes collection" which many people seem to have missed
Ardour, Estara and Collections 01 are definitely his best tho.
btw Teebs + Prefuse 73 = Sons of the Morning
>dummies listen to bleep bloops
>"I know, we'll call it """intelligent""" dance music so we can act smart"
THE FIRST TIME I MET THE DUM DUM BOYS
I WAS FASCINATED
>>61960330
add 1998-2002: future jazz (though tobin and squarepusher are still doing that stuff today,) 2002-current: acid revival (rdj, vibert, rephlex stuff such as wisp) and 2005-current: post-idm (ie chris clark, post-warp-signing-bibio, post-warp-signing-0pn, newer arca, etc.) and this is fully accurate
>>61941882
>actually calling it IDM
>>61958690
np man (and i'm fine btw, just been listening to untilted for the past 8 hours :^))
>>61956763
check out arovane and also a netlabel by the name of inpuj (specifically the artists ilkae, zebra, and proswell)
arovane in particular sounds like if early autechre kept developing their style from that time instead of going full-on glitchfuck with confield. most people would probably recommend his earlier stuff but honestly it sounds a bit dated, i'd say start with his 2010s stuff like ve palor and lyid skor desu
>>61955375
I think its great, especially the pianol/organ bits
What's some good lo-fidm? Have already listened to Bogdan Raczynski, Ilkae, Zebra, Orange (aka Brothomstates) etc. and I want some nice electronic SNES/demoscene vibes.
>>61962419
future jazz isn't IDM
>>61964576
I know that but it was a popular trend in IDM-Breakcore artists at the time (mainly due to Squarepusher) so it deserves to be listed desu
>>61960330
Pretty good. 1999-2002/3 was still good though. After that there have been little to no good releases.
>>61960437
One of the best IDM albums came in 2001, the flame was still alive then.
>>61964627
Future jazz originally came from detroit techno, mainly the UR guys under Galaxy 2 Galaxy. Ian O'Brien also produced the same blend of techno and future jazz, and nowadays we have artists like Cobblestone Jazz. It's not strictly and IDM genre, though there is a cross section there too.
loooool this thread is hilarious
>everything that stems from Detroit 1980 not /bleep/ is IDM according to /mu/
>>61964746
maybe we should just call it /I don't want to listen to shitty super repetitive house hardcore trance or chiptunes/
>>61964821
Soothe your boobs, that's not what he even said.
>>61964821
>implying chiptune idm doesn't exist
>>61964746
people have no sense of history it seems. it's a wide umbrella, but pretty much all idm comes from the same sort of origin.
>>61964862
Goto80 is the only worthwhile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU7BIF-oXds
>>61964913
>what are hizmi, saitone, utabi, the list goes on...
https://soundcloud.com/bunkai-kei-records/hizmi-nue
https://soundcloud.com/saitone/clavia-loop-2003-nanoloop1-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCpspMyV8I8
haven't checked out goto80 before though and that sample is pretty good, so thanks
>>61965070
Not bad, I admit. Goto80 works strictly and exclusively only on the Commodore 64 SID chip though without any accompanying instruments or production, which makes him considerably more legitimate as far as chiptunes go.
>>61965130
Hizmi (and I believe also Utabi for the majority of their netlabel stuff) use the Sharp X68000 for their stuff so they're legit too. Saitone has a tendency to jump around a bit though, but typically stay on gameboy with some occasional fakebit stuff.
>>61964648
>Brothomstates
ma nig
>that Pharcyde sample in Qtio
>>61965189
Fair enough. The first track you linked sounds like the sounds are produced on a legit soundchip, but arranged and processed afterwards as well. Still more interesting than the general "fakebit" stuff that floats around. Those Yamaha FM chips are very interesting, kudos to those guys for exploring their capabilities. Goto80 is pretty much the best user of the SID chip currently, even though most chiptunes listeners don't find his music very approachable.
>>61965301
Hehe, yeah. Struck me quite a bit to hear it for the first time by surprise in its original context, didn't know where it was from. Insanely talented guy, I'd even bill him as one of the best producers currently active. Shame doesn't release much stuff... well, hasn't released for the last ten years.
Some of his more recent style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOiFWSHPFrk
>>61965372
Oh and this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOBq4NLjtY
Glitch hope game still strong.
>>61965372
If you're talking about Brothomstates not releasing stuff I believe he was recently on one of those Touched charity compilations on bandcamp
>>61966726
Yeah he was. I listened to the track and I think it was pretty good(?), don't remember it at all though.
>>61956763
B R O T H O M S T A T E S
desu
>>61944325
You missed this one Fuck boy
>>61967201
breakcore a shit
>>61967201
not his best album to discuss as idm desu
winter, chrome and cats all fit better
>>61967259
Cat is best
>>61961815
>talks shit about other people taste
>post iggy pop
Fag
>>61967236
You a shit.
>>61967259
What would you consider "my love is a bulldozer"?
>>61950040
this list is awful lmao
>>61967378
i actually haven't listened to it, but going through some samples of it it sounds far closer to pure breakcore, not much of an idm sound to it at all
that being said it also sounds really a lot less shit than i expected/actually pretty great considering his other albums post-detrimentalist, gonna have to check it out in a bit
>>61967468
are you rlly surprised
>>61967530
my love is a bulldozer is just like any other vsnares album that isn't rossz
handful of fantastic tracks, rest is kinda okay
>>61967468
Post yours. That way I could improve mine.
The intricacy in this album is absolutely amazing. If you don't consider th I idm then you don't know idm desu
Autechre's Evane is a fantastic album for cold winter nights
>>61967572
you know, it's kind of funny. i feel like that's one aspect that maybe idm should have kept when it came to other dance music - more focus on eps/singles. i can't help but notice that it's hard to find many idm albums that are consistent all the way through.
>>61967572
>handful of fantastic tracks, rest is kinda okay
Sounds like rossz to me. Or honestly, Rossz only has one or two alright cuts, the rest is filler.
>>61967572
i just went on youtube and found a rip of the whole album and the part i happened to listen to sounded like detrimentalist on crack (i think the song was called amazon)
also the hip-hop influenced bit before it with his vocals doesn't sound too shabby either
>>61967625
poor bait man
>>61967625
>The intricacy in this album is absolutely amazing
Actually I agree
>If you don't consider th I idm then you don't know idm desu
b8/8
this is the most immaculate 707/727 programming I've ever heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7XdtW3wHFM
>>61967600
This always gets them.
>>61967625
What this guy said >>61967691
It's intricate, but it's not really related to the IDM genre.
>>61967712
:/
After listening to house for the past 2 months to the point of exhaustion I finally put on some Aphex Twin and my man I have a newfound respect for this genius. It sounds more refreshing than ever.
>>61967572
rossz definitely has filler, chocolate wheelchair doesn't tho
>>61967787
I was joking. I actually don't really like skrillex. Saw him live a little over a year ago and ended up going back to my cabin mid way thru his set.
