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Viola de Gamba my Chittarone edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8dfCgId2w0
>>61856237
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I dunno why but I'm just now listening to beethovens late quartets and oh my I wish I discovered classical sooner
Any suggestions on where to start in classical? I was in choir all throughout high school so I have some experience with Vivaldi and Bach, but not sure which direction to go.
>>61856606
Start with the monks.
>every performing musician and a few composers love to jerk off over how great Glenn Gould was
>/classical/ hates on him because le contrarian memes
Epic
>>61856237
Thanks OP.
>>61856606
See the post right above yours. Grosse Fuge alone will wreck your shit.
>>61856438
>listening to beethovens late quartets
My condolences.
>>61856606
>>61856237
Starting off with some good ol' Jordi
>try not to kill yourself edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueaFIqmDWh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyxYFhyfFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nlq69pmADo
>>61858208
>Mozart and Beethoven each only on once
>Bach 3 times
>Scriabin's symphonies
>Martinu
>Schnittke
>Pogorelich
>Gould
>>>>>>>>>>>>Pogorelich
>>61856438
I have been listening to the Second movement of his 9th symphony as conducted by Wilhelm Furtwangler. One of the highpoints of music.
>>61858259
>implying Mozart even deserves to be on it
>>61858296
https://rbt.asia/mu/?ghost=yes&search_text=fuck%20off%20poly&task=search&offset=0
>>61858259
There is literally nothing wrong with Schnittke.
>>61858259
>implying Bach shouldn't be on there 3 times
Posting some lute/theorbo works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcaABG_-X80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quU8c6TyK5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jLfPBstkuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2KlYc56Ano
>mfw listening to schubert's string quintet for the first time
This has to be the most profound musical utterance I've ever heard.
>>61856606
I know many people don't like these charts and I didn't make them but for what it's worth here is a chart with some decent selections. It may not be perfect but it's a good starting point.
>>61858380
>Bach on piano
When will this meme die?
>>61858389
>Bach on harpsichord
When will this meme die?
The only problem is that it's Gould.
>>61858407
I think he's referring to Koroliov.
>>61858407
>Bach on the instrument that he composed the music on
>a meme
Gould is shit.
>>61858380
thanks for posting my chart :)
>>61858208
here is the latest version
>>61858438
>thanks for posting my chart
Thanks for making it in the first place. Good choices!
>>61858416
>HIP
>not inherently a meme
Harpsichord sounds terrible.
>>61858449
Disregarding your shit taste that's literally irrelevant.
>he thinks he knows better than Bach
'avin' a giggle here mate
![4338541055_0fd1bff7c6_b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GhgbT1o.jpg "4338541055_0fd1bff7c6_b[1].jpg")
>>61856654
I see what you did there
>>61858475
http://www.tureckbach.com/publication-documentation/page/bach-myth-authenticity
>>61858498
>a woman author
>"I believe in Bach, the Father, Beethoven, the Son, and Brahms, the Holy Ghost of music."
>>61858518
>HIP memers are also memesogynists
>>61858532
>memeplying memesogyny is a meme
>>61858208
I would have swapped the Takahashi Xenakis for the Arditti/Helffer chamber works set. I prefer Helffer's work on Evryali and Mists (Xenakis's most important piano works, really), and the inclusion of Tetras, Tetora, Akea, and Ikhoor really give it the edge.
Or Persepolis like the original. But then again, that's on that other chart so whatev's friend.
Also, /classical/ generally backs Queyras or Casals (historical) on the cello suites. But either way I personally (and so does Poly, shit as his taste might be) believe the violin sonatas/partitas are more significant (Grumiaux, one of the few interpretations we agree on).
Glenn Ghoul is extremely controversial on /classical/ but I'd back your inclusion just to cause meme frenzies.
>>61858208
>that no name quartet for Janacek instead of the Hagen quartet or Pavel Haas quartet
>>61858553
Glenn Gould is good enough that his recordings are on the Space Voyager. : /
>>61858597
Yeah popular things are always good right guys?
Been working on the first movement of the G minor quintet with some peers. (A shame, because I really like the second movement). Only discovered it because we were too cheap to play anything not on IMSLP and we didn't have an A clarinet to play the Nielsen. Was skeptical at first, but I've warmed up to it. Sobeck's an alright guy; he's Czech, so obviously he is therefore underrated. He's no Brahms, but these quintets do deserve more exposure. I just wish they'd included his 4th quintet in the ~20 minutes left open.
>Gould
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYvf9vybTnE
>>61858553
>Arditti/Helffer chamber works set
thanks this is very good.
>cello suites
yeah, casals is good too. I like rostropovich for the complete set, maisky is good too.
>violin sonatas/partitas
i like gidon kremer, personally
>Glenn Ghoul
I personally love him but he does have some bizarre interpretations.
>>61858577
>Hagen quartet or Pavel Haas quartet
both of those are good too, quatuor diotima is very good though
Second hand store was pretty good to me last time I hit it...what do you think ?
>>61859115
Damn nice
>>61859388
Felt like christmas. When I go to that place I usually come back with one or two decent lps. I'm just disappointed bruckner 5 and 8 are incomplete (5 only finale movement, 1 of 2 lp's)...Jochum isn't really my cup of tea but still...
>>61859115
the schubert conducted by markevitch set is one of my favorites of the composers symphonies
>>61859115
pretty jelly
Does anyone have this? If so, could do me the biggest favor and share it here? Please family
>>61860346
complete marcelle meyer on hmv/emi is on rutracker (includes said recordings plus some older scarlatti recordings)
>>61860346
what to look for
>>61860365
>>61860387
yes thank you, however i've heard the erato has much better sound
>>61860523
download it and compare with samples off of warner. personally I don't think the erato really improves the sound, just slightly clearer sound on the 53 recordings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0AALDObOY
More like this?
>>61859115
NOICE
>>61858259
What's wrong with Scriabin's symphonies?
>>61859115
Oh shit. How much did you get for all this?
>>61858272
3rd movement is leagues better IMO.
but the 2nd has the sickest opening bars tho, that timpani
>>61860241
Just finished listening to it. Was my first time with these symphonies. I enjoyed them a lot, it's quite amazing they where written when he was only 18 and 19 years old. Unfortunately the sound was quite "muddy"...I have no big experience with the pre stereo dgg records (this one is from 57) but I hope it just needs some deep cleaning.
>>61861578
You mean how much I paid for it ? 80 swiss francs for everything (1CHF = $1). They usually charge 3 for a single lp so I had 34 francs discount...still not cheap but that's alright. I'm pretty happy with what I found.
Does anyone have an idea in what form Beethoven Op. 33 No. 6 is structured?
Link:
https://youtu.be/fpFMvd7pPZo
>>61858272
I'm addicted to Furtwängler's 2nd movement of Beethoven's 9th too. I think it may be one of my favorite pieces of music ever.
Damn, why is Furtwängler so superior to virtually anyone at conducting this?
Best recording of Beethoven's Late String Quartets?
Anyone wants to hear my etude? ;_;
>>61862577
I do, anon
>>61862633
https://soundcloud.com/margatroid-derek/kasiu
>>61862026
might just not be mastered that well on the LP
the CD i have sounds fine, but then again i'm pretty used to listening to old historical recordings
>>61862528
Busch
Hollywood
Budapest
Capet (for 14/15)
>>61856654
Actually though
>>61862821
Well Deutsche Grammophon lp's don't usually sound great. It is said that the early stereo ones (with the tulips circle like in the pic above) sound better but from my experience I can't tell that this is true. But you probably don't care so whatever :^)
Why is Sibelius so underrated? I probably am biased as a Finn. He's great, yet he is hardly ever mentioned, here or in classical circles in general.
Guys, can you recommend some melancholy, bleak, despairing classical? I've heard Schubert wrote some dark stuff (winterreise). Looking for more
Why is Janáček so much better than Bartók?
>>61863399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZa3Shs5h8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWyrxAZCOhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4oWgBlHIVY
>>61863399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O8Jn-Uk56k
>>61863234
He's only hardly mentioned because there are so many good artists from the period.
It's it trying to hear about anyone besides Mozart from the same period it just isn't going to happen
>>61863430
Less of a slavshit
>>61863430
but hes not
>>61863399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC56jnMf95Y
>>61864271
>the best of satie
>>61864421
>he doesn't like the genius behind Vexations
>>61856237
bump
>>61856317
Why no Scriabin anywhere :c
>>61863234
I bought his 2nd and 5th symphony performed by Karajan and the philharmonia orchestra few days ago. Already listened to number two three times. It's a magnificent piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOmhe20fuJU&list=PL27B666BF1F948FB0
Is baroque more complex than classical?
>>61864801
scriabin is too good for megas
>>61865393
Yes, by far.
>>61866350
Can you elaborate on why because you post does not look really sincere?
>>61866476
By the late 1600's and early 1700's, high Baroque music had reached a point where contrapuntal techniques are essential in composing. That's why when you listen to Vivaldi or Pachelbel, you often hear layers of music moving in response to each other. Classical music arose due to musicians focusing more on simpler theme rather than complex harmonic structures.
>>61865393
Hmm, let's see.
>Beethoven could play any of Bach's pieces by age 12
>Beethoven struggled to play some of his later works (like piano sonata 29, which is still considered one of the hardest pieces ever to play)
I'll let you be the judge which is more complex.
>>61867196
not sure if bait or just retarded...
>>61867196
>compose a piece consisting of every C note on the keyboard played at once
>literally nobody can play it
>most complex piece of music of all time
>>61862577
>that's really good, darling
>see, im going to hang it on the fridge, so everyone can see your amazing piece of art
What do you think about Andre Rieu lads? Personally I quite like him, I understand why the purists get annoyed that he caters to the masses, but he makes classical music fun and that's an important thing nowadays.
>>61857597
It's not a meme. Once you hear the fucker humming you can't unhear it. His recordings of the two part inventions are completely unlistenable
>>61859115
Ok I'm hard now. Where is this second hand store and why have they got so much Richter?
More like this?
>>61868331
I gotchu pham
https://youtu.be/ZkcLgA9jd3g
>>61868105
Gould is great, a genius artist. But it is ridiculous that anyone would recommend his unusual, willful recordings as the best of a composer, especially to a newcommer to classical. When Gould played Bach Gould won, not Bach.
>>61864850
I always thought Karajan's Sibelius with the BPO were some of the shittiest classical recordings and never could understand why they were praised, this certainly sounds better than that, didn't know he had an earlier set.
>>61867196
I think he means structurally complex, not hard to play.
>>61868440
I mean more like Zelenka
>>61869807
>Martinu, Part, Britten
>worth listening to
>>61869936
>le pärt is bad meme
>public radio classical music channel
patrician?
>>61869711
Moe like what, his masses? His capriccios? Faggot make your request more specific.
Where can I find a download for this?
>>61871435
try rutracker
>>61868801
most of his philharmonia studio recordings usually sound better than his BPO ones
in large part--i think--due to the walter legge working on a lot of them. and of course it was before Karajan's fuckhuge ego and the bad habits that settled in from the 70s onwards really began to become a nuisance
>>61871574
>try rutracker
I've already searched there. That's why I'm asking.
>>61870528
It's good but they don't often play arias. I wish they did. It's usually piano or violin.
Recommend guitar music that sounds better than this arrangement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udClrQtmws
>>61871435
Definitely download this instead
>>61869994
defend Britten next
>>61871155
More composers like him
>>61873276
Guitar music in general or guitar arrangements?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5T4ldS5aAY
>>61873483
Both, thanks.
>>61873449
Try Reichenauer since he's also Czech.
Composition-wise Zelenka is one of a kind.
>>61873312
Downloading it now.
What does /classical/ think of Čiurlionis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzEH7xrmflg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4o2G6hmaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgZjpTiqK-U
>>61873555
Awesome, now download Szell's Das Knaben and Horenstein Das Lied
>>61873597
Why does he look so frightened?
>>61874239
It's like the late 1800s so probably looked into the abyss or some shit lols idk.
...
How do I write beautiful slow movements?
>>61876323
Triadic harmony, slow tempo, suspensions, tension and release, practice.
Writing beautiful music requires a certain natural ear for melody and harmony which many dont have.
>>61876323
Beethoven's 9th symphony 4th movement isn't slow though. It's very upbeat and fast.
>>61876323
Kill yourself. And before you draw your last breath you'll hear it.
>>61858322
Even so, one should listen to his Concerto Grossi before the string quartets.
>>61876418
vocaroo.com/i/s0DFeRh7HoYu
Is this melody beautiful?
>>61856237
Does anyone have a really good recording of Tartini's violin sonata in g minor? The devil's trill one.
Also, before you tell me it's shit or something, fuck off. I really like this sonata and you're wasting your time if you try to "change" my opinion.
scriabin post
>>61877359
post-scriabin
>>61877359
Scriabin was a qt
>>61877406
>his playing of the fourth sonata
>>61877203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFRL6zsxTyQ
>>61877806
>you will never hear Mysterium in it's entirety
>you will never know the enigma of Scriabin's mind
>you will never get a piano concerto in his late style
>you will never get anymore orchestral Poemes
What the fuck have I done to deserve this
>>61877948
His 5th "symphony" is basically a piano concerto in disguise desu
>>61877868
Thanks man.
>>61878238
Fuck you
>>61878286
Zack here thanks man
>>61877171
It could be with some harmony.
the shitty piano sound and lack of volume automation certainly doesn't help. You need to vary the volume of your repeated notes, so they dont sound too mechanical. Use rubato a lot when you're programming piano, it helps it sound more natural. drag notes slightly off the beat, have notes staggering and dragging. A beautiful piece is only beautiful when played beautifully by an accomplished player or ensemble.
I cant decide which recording to get for Messiaen's Catalogue d'oiseaux, Ugorski or Loroid???
>>61879874
Loriod.
>>61868172
switzerland. It was all from 1 single collection. I guess someone died. There was much more but I had to make a selection.
>>61868172
>implying too much Richter is bad thing
>>61862665
what the hell is this supposed to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anXl_P2C_uA
Starting to have trouble finding marches I haven't heard. Would appreciate some recs.
>>61876323
study Beethoven scores. his slow movements, particularly in the piano sonatas are god tier.
>>61881729
>irrefutable evidence that all western music education is, was, and always will be TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT-TONIC-DOMINANT and everyone who is processed by it turns into a robot who can only blurt BUT WHERE IS HOME when confronted by a slightly atypical piece
Unless of course it was made by a GENIUS composer.
>>61862665
learn theory. its not an etude
>>61884208
Or you're just a faggot with a shitty composition
ded
Does anyone know where to find any good online music lecture recordings?
i've done 2 years of study in theory/history but wanna keep refreshed and learn more.
want to listen to this stuff while at the gym, driving etc.
anyone know anything?
