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Music Theory:
>http://www.justinguitar.com/
Guitar chords and inversions
>http://www.chordbook.com/guitarchords.php
String Tension Calculator (D'Addario based):
>http://hikkyz.net/misc/stringassembler/
Floyd Rose Setup Video Tutorial:
>http://youtu.be/umY5NBKg5AA?list=PLcm7Ag6Q-OkZAmlY6dAhS2ZL9TUMeRZdI
Steve Vai's Ten Hour Workout
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/kzw6kjuocgicwks/Ten_Hour.pdf
Guthrie Govan's Creative Guitar 1 & 2
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/bn8803xzlrbds3b/Guitar1.rar
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/9uhtufuf3z9cx8m/Guitar2.rar
Impulse Response Pack
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/svtfxjtillrdwt8/Gods+Cab+1.3.rar
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/4n28zkjw0zgmdj9/ASEM+RECTO+V30+L2.wav
Free VST downloads (amps and effects simulators):
>http://www.vst4free.com/
ASIO drivers (essential to use VSTs while playing):
>http://www.asio4all.com/
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>Advancing Guitarist Mick Goodrick
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cvfno10fv4lf4a8
>Chord Chemistry - Ted Greene
http://www.mediafire.com/download/61n5op7eiifxztg
Others
>Mickey Baker's Jazz Guitar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zq35xorj2iaqh22
>Modern Chord Progressions: Jazz and Classical Voicings for Guitar - Ted Greene
http://www.mediafire.com/download/oflu4wdwofhqqtb
>Jazz Guitar: Single Note Soloing Vol. 1 & 2- Ted Greene
http://www.mediafire.com/download/07o65qdh5in1nsq
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jmu86f7dj8bdxcd
>Beefhearts 10 guitar commandments
https://archive.org/post/338826/captain-beefhearts-10-commandments-of-playing-the-guitar
Last thread: >>61529861
>>61541970
Was 2012 a good year for Gibson? Looking at a 2012 Les Paul Traditional.
>>61541970
>Jaco
>hack
My feathers have been ruffled
>>61542001
pretty sure the bad years are the Norlins and 2014-2015
Most of what's in my house right now.
Been playing about 14 years now. Currently a professional musician.
Also Jaco was amazing, eat shit.
Hey /gg/. I bought this pickup about 2 months ago. I intend to install it in the neck posistion of my red Squier Strat. I do not know how to solder, so here comes the real question. Do I learn how to, or do I bring the guitar to a shop? What is more cost effective? What is more useful IYO? Thanks!
>>61542038
Hell, I've actually read good things about some of the Norlin Les Pauls, but that's true. Might have to grab this Traditional then.
>>61542069
Forgot to mention, it's a Seymour Hot Rail. I also may want to install it in my Buddy Guy Sig Strat, but that guitar already has Gold Lace pickups. Do I do it or stick with the Squier installation?
>>61542069
Assuming you don't fuck anything up, doing it yourself is both more cost effective and useful. If you aren't an idiot you should be able to swap a pickup no problem
>>61542073
Might have to sacrifice the V to the guitar gods
>>61542001
Good years are, 2011-2014 + 2016 models.
Bad is Norlin era + 2015 (due to that stupid tuner shit they aren't worth squat).
>>61542048
stop
>>61542048
That's an awesome collection, hope I can accumulate something like that sometime.
>>61542226
Why should he?
Just got pic related
it's a 1950s silvertone h51 with a gibson made p13 pickup, got it for 30 bucks at a thrift shop.
Recorded an album with it on new-years, it's got this crazy out-of this world mac-demarco-y chorusy sound. Verging on beatles tone without even using any or many pedals
heres the album I recorded with it
https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/
https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/
https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/
be warned my recording quality is shit, but it'll give you a feel for how the guitar sounds.
>>61542312
>>61542226
>>61542048
Show us your house. Pics or it didn't happen Mr professional.
>>61542333
>30 bucks at a thrift shop.
fug i need to go take a look around
>>61542333
>https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/
Hello! It is ye yet again!
>>61542333
Nice trips, and you do know there's a band called RingoDeathStarr right?
>>61542073
Hey, don't get me wrong, there are many good Norlins. But the quality took a dive in statistical terms. That means you're more likely to run into a lemon or a poorly finished guitar. But if you try before you buy, it shouldn't be an issue.
>>61542018
>>61542048
He was a hack, his stuff is wanky crap that only other bassists care about.
>>61542333
>tfw play lefty
>tfw even if i found a sexy old guitar for cheap at a thirft shop i couldnt play it
>>61542333
How do you make nice mac demarco sounds?
Reverb? Lo-fi? Goofballism?
>>61542141
>Might have to sacrifice the V to the guitar gods
>sacrifice
>the V
Sell a kidney instead, you have 2.
I want a fuzz pedal that would work well on both guitar and bass. I mean it doesn't HAVE to be both but that would be preferred for my wallet's sake. I have an ODB-3 now and overall I'm not a big fan of the sound. I've looked at the BOSS FZ-2, the Behringer copy of that, and the various big muffs.
Though desu at the point I am in my guitar and bass playing I shouldn't even bother with pedals but I really want some to play with.
Or I could just get an audio interface and a virtual amp and have those effects.
or neither because I have no money
>>61542048
lol i call bullshit.
>>61542352
man, I've found both that and a 1972 (pic related) lawsuit SG at thrift. I paid like 60 bucks for the SG but it was hella worth it. If you can find a st. vincent depaul or salvation army store in a shittier area of your town, chances are people will have guitars there.
>>61542363
yeeah senpai.
>>61542371
yeah, I do. The band is actually called Frank Sriracha because I'm a punny piece of shit, ringo star wars is just what I called my "drop /mu/ shit here" bandcamp
>>61542397
pull a hendrix, my dude
>>61542423
I can give you my rig info if you're interested, and some songwriting tips.
>>61542221
The 2014's were pretty overpriced and all had those awful anniversary inlays though
>>61542476
>I can give you my rig info if you're interested, and some songwriting tips.
Yea man! I need some help
>>61542476
>a st. vincent depaul or salvation army
Neat I know where both of these are.
Why is the low profile floyd variant so uncommon?
>>61542424
I just don't play it enough. I also like being able to sit with a guitar. I know you can sit with a V, so don't tell me to git gud. I've always wanted an LP too
>>61542001
No. Don't do it to yourself, mate. Gibsons are shit guitars.
>>61542556
Alright, well mac demarco's biggest thing that gives him a distinct sound with his recording is that he uses a reel-to-reel. I don't have one of these, just my shitty computer, so you can get a similar effect by using a tube effect and some careful EQ-work on the low end. It'll be really hard to get his recording warmth, though, so focus your efforts instead on guitar gear. Mac uses a reverb tank and a vintage fender tube amp, as well as a chorus effect in most of his songs. You likely don't have the cash for this, so my reccomendation would be to find yourself a solid low-wattage tube amp on the cheap (mine is a fender silverface from the 70s, dads on kijiji or craigslist almost always underprice them), and get a multi-effects pedal. Make sure you get yourself lots of room-y reverb, and chorus, but not enough that you're going into cheesey-80s or 90s buttrock nirvana territories, just enough to make it stand out.
For song writing, look up major 7th chords and nontraditional jazz chords. Mac makes his guitar playing look easy, but it's anything but, he's actually a hell of a good guitar player, he just acts goofy on stage. Study ringo starr's solo carreer and mystery tour-era beatles for examples of mac-y chord progressions, also listen to lots of grateful dead and steely dan lead guitar work to see where he gets his distinct style from. use a 12-string for your leads if you can, or just an octave up effect (that's what I do for my leads on my album). good luck, brobro. I'm poor as fuck too, so my rig for recording is pretty much shit, as is all my guitar equipment. really I just got lucky enough to find guitars that worked on the cheap that weren't total shit.
>>61542573
yeah man, do it up.
>>61542577
because muh hair metal divebombs idk
>>61542676
don't sell the V, use it live, sell that POS studio SG. don't buy an LP, you have enough gibsons, get yourself a strat for dat funk, or a telecaster if you want a tough piece of shit that'll never die.
How many of y'all use strap locks on your guitars? Schallers are the best from what I understand.
How to achieve the motivation to play? I just can't anymore. Feels like I've wasted 15 years of my life.
>>61542701
Already got a Fender Contemporary Strat that I love. It'll probably be a while before I pull the trigger on anything though. >>61542141
What's the technique that he's using for the solo around 2:50? Is it tapping?
https://youtu.be/Xvewpux2sg0
>>61542392
>He was a hack, his stuff is wanky crap that only other bassists care about.
Hope you're not the same kid that was recommending billy sheenan to people
>>61542749
either that or sweep picking if he has a godly pinky finger.
>>61542704
I use washers. The only to take them off is to remove the strap pin screws. They are the most cost effective solution.
>>61542507
Yeah but they weren't that bad, if you find a used one you can justify it. 2015 can eat a dick though.
>>61542771
Billy is good though. He can shred like no other, but most of his playing on records is simple and tasteful
>>61542749
postez plus de la musique de la france pêh mon frêre
Do want
https://reverb.com/item/929257-gibson-les-paul-traditional-2012-iced
>>61542803
I use bread-ties NGL. that or the little red rubber things from grolsch bottles.
>>61542839
Any les paul that isn't vintage is objectively plebian. Go vintage, get a patrician guitar.
>>61542797
I'd understand if you didnt want to answer this, but what sort of arpeggio would be appropriate for that sound?
>>61542738
start a band
>>61542865
What? Like this?
https://reverb.com/p/gibson-les-paul-standard-burst-1958-1960?_aid=pla¤cy=USD&hfid=1495469&gclid=CLr89pXHlsoCFYElgQodtcgFTQ
>>61542867
I'm not really a metal guitarist, DESU. I wouldn't be the one to ask. Any theory but metal i can help a brother out on. It certainly isn't pentatonic, though. Maybe check out dorian or lydian modes for a similar cacophonic sound.
>>61542868
this tbqh famalia. I was plateu'd for a good year till I started a band, now I'm putting out way more creatively than ever before. Shit, i wrote this album (https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/) in literally a single night.
>>61542898
If you've got the 200 grand, sure, but honestly les pauls in general are overhyped. I've owned three, all three dissapointed me. Go for something unknown. Be original. be an outlier. Get yourself some weird old itallian or japanese guitar nobodies ever heard of. Make your own guitar. Get something old and gritty and amazing. ANybody can go out and buy a brand new les paul and it'll be okay, but a guitar you have to tinker with, a gutiar you have to set up and figure out and solder and a guitar that'll hurt you until you break it in, that's infinitely more rewarding, believe me.
Also gibson quality control is literally non-existant. Pointy frets, mishappen necks, fucked up tross rods, everything mang.
>>61542679
Thanks man! I already have lots o pedals so I'm set on that but decent tube amps and reel to reels are always so fucking expensive.
For EQ should I turn the higher frequencies up and the lower ones down?
>>61542953
I have decided to buy this guitar instead
https://reverb.com/item/526454-1959-gibson-les-paul-standard-grainger-burst
>>61542679
Thanks for this write up man. I screenshot'd it for reference.
>>61542226
>>61542334
>>61542476
It's not like I live in a mansion or anything. This is a collection that took over 20 years to accumulate. All of them get played fairly regularly.
>>61542960
Mac demarco has a very velvetty sound, you want your pedals to jangle, but your EQ to be surprisingly more in the lower range.
>>61542983
If you are actually buying a 1959 Gibson Les Paul, and have the money for it, then please buy my album on bandcamp (https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/), I'm poor as fuck and already starving myself this week to make rent.
But if you're not the same guy, and jsut a troll, to the other dude I'd reccomend these guitars; they'll be funner, and raise WAY more questions/attract way more attention than any gibson other than a legit 1959 burst les paul
>https://reverb.com/item/1496034-jolana-iris-1973-3-tone-sunburst
>https://reverb.com/item/1361991-vintage-heit-electric
>https://reverb.com/item/1490815-trump-by-teisco-mirrored-pickguard-single-pickup-jaguar-style-pro-setup-1960-s-redburst
>https://reverb.com/item/1369438-vintage-1965-kent-guyatone-polaris-i-model-no-540-sunburst-excellent
>https://reverb.com/item/1436510-1960s-vintage-teisco-spectrum-kawai-kingston-matsumoku-mij-garage-monster-ex-cond-world-shipping
those are all VERY cool guitars.
>>61542953
you are literally fucking retarded
>>61543035
>poorshit begging people to buy his shit album while telling wealthy people that expensive guitars are a waste of money so they should buy cheap shit that will fall apart in a month
you can't make this shit up
>>61543046
oh shit, you figured me out!
>>61543088
>fall apart in a month
right because they've lasted perfectly since the 60s, so they'll definitely fall apart in a month if you're not an asshat
Buttblasted gibson shill detected. you literally couldn't be trying less.
>>61542953
>wrote that album in a single night
i couldn't tell
>>61542953
>https://ringostarwars.bandcamp.com/
you know there's a band called ringo deathstarr right....
might confuse visitors to ur site
>>61543127
man, the samefag is real. The reply count of "people in thread" hasn't gone up once since you started your weird little campaign. You can stop trying so hard, man. It's okay to be autistic.
>>61543144
the bandcamp is mostly just one I throw random experimental shit into, it's not my actual bandcamp. Also the band name attached to the bandcamp is actually Frank Sriracha,
>>61542820
When he does shred its never tasteful, he just spazzes out at top speed.
Plus most of the music he contributes to is corny shit , and mostly consumed by exclusively by NAMM show faggots, which is why its silly you level that "only other bassists" critique at Jaco. Weather Report where a foremost fusion band, wheras Mr.Big where a70s hard rock band 10 years after the fact, who's only distgiushing quality was the wank ability of their guitarist and bassist.
>>61543171
yeah it was all me, not like i was trying to hide it. doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about, are poor, and can barely play your guitar even though you're act like some god
>get called out for being a fraud
>y-you're autistic!!
fuck off
>>61543220
Yes, I am poor, I'm a university student it's hard not to be poor
I never once claimed to be a guitar God, I just know a lot about gear.
"I have no idea what I'm talking about", yeah, that's bullshit. I may like different guitars than you but how does that mean i don't know what I'm talking about? Gibsons quality control lately has been absolutely ass, and they make overhyped overpriced guitars. Literally (L I T E R A L L Y) none of that is wrong. But, again, gibson shill detected.
>>61542749
sounds like tapping 2me
>>61543220
Dude calm down jesus christ, I can feel your autism from here. How the fuck is he a fraud? he seems to have been relatively helpful ITT
>>61543261
ringo deathstarr guy here, not the asshole other guy
anyway, just curious what school u go to and how u record drums, since i am also a uni student. thx
>>61543188
NAMM is more and more becoming the cancer of the guitarist world IMO
>>61543188
Can you read, idiot?
My original comment wasnt saying that his soloing was tasteful, it was saying that his playing in bands he works with and has worked with (Mr big, winery dogs, dlr, etc) is simple and tasteful. When he plays in his bands, his goal isnt to show off his technical skills, its to serve the song. And he does a pretty good job of it. I dare you to name one Billy Sheehan bassline in one of his bands that is overplayed shreddy crap. You're probably 16 or something, so you wouldn't know that Mr. Big was actually pretty popular among non musicians. They're still huge in Japan
>>61543306
My drummer for my band stuff really likes Shure SM57s, but those are pricey so we use a shure for the bass drum and a Pyle Pro shure knockoff for the rest of the set. When I'm doing solo recordings I just use an electronic drum set plugged into my DAW.
>>61542001
they tried to sell the 2014+2015s on amazon with huge disconts this christmas. I feel bad for the idiots who got one
Ordered one of these yesterday. My wallet hurts, but it's gonna be so worth it.
if i have23 its too le late for learn guitar?
>>61543345
how many other mics besides the kick mic?
>>61543366
Is wah a meme effect?
>>61542868
Seems like a chore desu
I'm not that good and I only like weeb music
>>61543406
ugh
get off the internet
>>61543379
He mics the bass drum, the snare + toms, the hi-hats and the overheads all seperately. You can chose to use different mics for the snare and toms, but we're balling on a budget, so he prefers to just use the same mic for snare and toms.
>>61543406
Mostly
>>61543406
This is /mu/. Everything's a meme.
It's also got a built in ring modulator, which is why it's so cool.
Senpai I play black metal
Currently have the following pedals:
OD
Fuzz
Tuner
Compressor
Reverb
Octave
There's room on my board for 2 more. What else should I get? I'm thinking chorus, but I don't know what would be good for filling the last spot
>>61542334
>mfw they're all "naturally hardcore relic'd" guitars instead of the shiny ones in his pic
>>61542771
>Hope you're not the same kid that was recommending billy sheenan to people
Billy knows how to keep it musical. Does this sound wanky to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcB787DfQ4
It's a great bassline without doing pointless stuff in a sad attempt to show off.
>protip: overcomplicating the bassline for the sake of complexity is musical shitposting, and shitposting is for newfags
I remember when I was 15 and looked down at bassists that play root notes too. Sometimes you need to stick to the KISS principle.
>>61542820
this
>>61543188
He makes some really nice shreds, and he doesn't try to play guitar on bass. He's probably the best bass shredder around. And his shreds are never out of place, he's not some Derek Smalls type of bassist.
>>61542221
They removed the fret nibs in 2014 though and they had the ugly inlays too.
>>61542679
>Gibsons are shit guitars.
Hi Kurt :^)
>>61542676
Have you tried classical position? I played my buddy's V sometimes and it was God tier for playing sitting.
>tfw I'm not a guitar God so I won't get your sacrifice
>tfw no gorgeous V
>tfw
Trying to get a job to save for a high end V
Requesting loop pedal recommendations for playing rhythm and lead parts live.
>>61543546
>loop pedal live
Rip senpai.....
>>61543546
>loop pedal
Pussy. Get another player guitar and use the opportunity to embelish the arrangements
I'd be quite happy to have one of these on my guitar. I wouldn't have to have a separate guitar for slide, and wouldn't have to commit to a string gauge (though I don't think it's likely to need but work from a string change, it's possible). Does anyone have any experience with these? The Gibson zero frets are pretty cool but they'd require pretty damn skilled maintenance when the time comes.
Senpai how to be a hack? I like dream theater metal but I don't have either the time or money to go to music school to actually become a musician and "do it for real," so what is a good shortcut that will enable me to sound good without actually having to know what the fuck I'm playing?
>>61543657
kill yourself
>>61543546
check out Dimitri martin, he does looping live with 6 or 7 tracks. You might be able to find out what he uses.
>>61543671
this Tbh, DT is shit
>>61543546
Sorry everybody is being mean.
I really like my ditto looper.
Heres is my 92 les custom Flametop
>>61543517
>overcomplicating the bassline for the sake of complexity is musical shitposting, and shitposting is for newfags
>shitposting is for newfags
spotted the newfag
>>61541970
Unless you can play Portrait of Tracy, shut up.
>>61543318
>My original comment wasnt saying that his soloing was tasteful, it was saying that his playing in bands he works with and has worked with (Mr big, winery dogs, dlr, etc) is simple and tasteful.
Yeah that wasn't hard to understand. But my point is its not hard to play simply and "tastefully" on the bass, most players achieve that, and giving credit to Sheenan for doing a pretty simple job, whilst talking shit about the most innovative electric bass player is stupid. What would make sheehan more impressive was if he could utilize his technical prowess without resorting to wank, which he cannot. His solo's are always the same (3 finger pluck, tap, harmonic, repeat). If its his so called tasteful playing and not his technical ability that so impresses you, then you could talk about a gillizllion other bassists that lack that ability but play "tasteful" lines, just like he does. Nobody would know who BIlly Sheenan was if he couldn't sherd like he does he just be another faceless studio guy and you wouldn't think to bring up his name.
I know all about Mr Big (did i not descirbe them perfectly?), and they where only big because they made completely generic hard rock, with occasional extended wank solos, which they eat up in Japan. Marty Friedman gets on daytime TV over there for fucks sake.
>>61543745
89 Fender hm strat
>>61543588
Is that some kind of faggot euphemism?
>>61543035
I rarely call people posers. I believe any level of skill can enrich one's life, but you're a poser. You know what raises questions and attracts people? Playing well.
Bruhs, pick your guitars based on how easy it plays and how stable it is, THEN consider aesthetics.
So on a regular American Strat, is it possible to set the bridge at the angle whereby its completely flush with the body, making it impossible to pull up but possible to pull down?
Would doing so make it easier to downtune?
>>61543713
Why? I only like images & words, and the one about the regression. What's a good band in this style? I also like Govan with his excentricities but sometimes he's too much. I like the fusion funk/metal too.
>>61543776
last : Flying Samurai bass
>>61543763
>most innovative electric bass player
How? Fucking how? He simply wasn't. His tone sounded like shrill farts and all he did was wank. How the hell is that good?
>>61543745
shit guitar gibson fuckboy should have got this $200 1960s cuban guitar instead made out of real tobacco wood instead it would sound just as good if you replaced the bridge the pickups the neck the frets the head stock the wood the strings the tuners the knobs the body the pickup selector the fret wire and the stain / finish desu senpai
>>61543776
sick senpai
where'd you get it?
>>61543835
Damn that's cool. What's the scale?
>>61543856
Yea ok dumbass . Hows that Epiphone treating you. Get a job and maybe one day you can get a guitar as quality as this.
>>61543835
Nice! I dig all your guits man.
>>61543497
another fuzz and distortion pedal
>>61543827
yes on both counts.
>>61543035
fuck you faggot.
I got a Fender HSS as a gift and I'm a total beginner lol. So what do I learn first? All chords and shit?
this must be the only thread that's more peaceful when the Australians are on. Everyone stop attacking each other uninvited and unprovoked, it's silly.
What should my next guitar be?
I want a weird looking surfy guitar with all the wicky cowabungas and jetset feels
>>61543921
>>61543880
I got the strat at a local auction.
C Major
>>61543856
kek
>>61543994
first learn to fret notes and posture. Next learn power chords and posture. Next learn a song. Next learn open chords and posture. Next learn barre chords and posture. from then on it's a pretty even mix of technique, theory, more chords, and posture.
>>61544010
>>61544008
Abo IDF plz go
>>61544010
actually quite a nice guitar
So guys, I was thinking, would it be a good idea to put a tele bridge pickup into a stratocaster, more specifically a seymour duncan vintage 54 tele bridge pickup into a squier standard strat. I'm a big fan of strats but love the tele bridge toans.
>>61543762
>muh technicality
Virtuosity is worthless without musicality. Literally the only appealing thing about that piece is that the harmonics make it sound somewhat like a fender rhodes. Other than that, it's a boring and grooveless song.
>>61543318
>When he plays in his bands, his goal isnt to show off his technical skills, its to serve the song.
this is what many people fail to realize
>I dare you to name one Billy Sheehan bassline in one of his bands that is overplayed shreddy crap.
He most likely can't. I love Sheehan's work with Vai and Roth.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkjvng_david-lee-roth-yankee-rose-music-video-hq_music
>>61543763
Sheehan's solos aren't just wank though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cxaC4MGuf4
>>61543842
This.
>>61544149
sure, you might need to route a bit, and the pickguard will need to be cut, but I'm for it. It should be nice.
Guys how do I be mike oldfield
how do I get his tone
doesn't he play fingerstyle mostly?
>>61543377
23 what?
>>61540401
Like the other anon said it's George Benson style. As mentioned in this kick-ass article, written by Tuck Andress in 1999:
http://www.tuckandpatti.com/pick-finger_tech.html#1.1.8
It's not that people can't do it. It's just that it can take some time to master. (It took me 6 months to change grip and incorporate elbow motion mechanic.)
>>61544196
Oh, forgot to say that if I had to pick an important Jaco contribution, it would be the popularization of the fretless bass. He wasn't really an innovator in that because he copied it from other guys but he could be called a pioneer.
>>61543842
>and all he did was wank. How the hell is that good?
No he didn't. I think the problem here is you just don't like his music, or you don't like jazz, and so when Jaco does speedy 16th notes, its "wank", but if Sheenan does it, its fine. And Sheenan has exactly the same soloing style no matter who he's on stage with, because thats all he's known for. Those rapid bursts of notes Jaco does are very much an idiom in Jazz, and can therefore be considered tasteful in the context of he fusion bands he was in. Besides that, there are plently of tracks Jaco plays on where he is very much in the background, not to mention his own Word Of Mouth album features many tracks totally devoid of any bass playing that is remotely techinally advanced. Your "all he did was wank" claim is horseshit. But you're probably 16 and only know about how popular Mr Big are in Japan.
>>61543953
So all I got to do is to make the bridge parallel to the body, and it won't have room to pull up right, effectively blocking it?
Will this work with other vintage trems, maybe a PRS?
>>61541970
>pastorius
>hack
dude, he kept things musical while exploring technical extremes and his phrasing was 100% on point
>>61544196
>Virtuosity is worthless without musicality.
>>61544305
Something isnt a rapid burst if it lasts the whole song
I give to you the music of my people
>https://youtu.be/Rk3uHwrFhX8
>https://youtu.be/7ktnZR2C8Ds
>>61544120
I already have one. It's nice but I want something that plays a bit better. I'll prolly mod it tho :^)
>>61544102
What a sexy beast!
>>61544305
Speed of playing doesn't define wankery. It's only wankery if it sounds like shit. They are almost random notes thrown together.
>>61544347
But it is, if you're a shit composer but you're a virtuoso you should stick to doing covers.
>>61544347
How is he wrong?
>>61544362
>implying the Cumparsita isn't Uruguayan
Unless you consider all the Rio de la Plata people your people, in that case we're fine.
>>61544313
I believe PRS can do it, but I'm sure any effort googling would get you a concrete answer. Google how to set up your strat for diving only cuz there's more than one way.
>>61544347
of all the things in that post to take issue with, you took issue with the correct thing.
Greetings! Who's thinking about getting one? Made from bubinga, "a great tonewood for clarity, volume, balance, and sparkling high end."
>>61544347
>he likes djent
>he thinks that difficult to play music is synonymous with good music
>>61544475
rob pls go
>>61544196
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cxaC4MGuf4
What the fuck
There is more wank in the first minute than in Jacos entire career. Its exteremly boring unless you're impressed by the technique.
Every Sheenan solo is a variation on the same template, the tapping, the dive bomb, the rapid fire 3 finger gallop, harmonics thrown in everywhere, all as fast as he can go. Its funny though, because its highly likely that Sheenan got that right hand artifical harmonic technique from Jaco.
>>61544475
>playing an instrument with someone else's signature on the headstock
>>61544475
no i hate you
>>61544484
Okay. Just thought I'd share. Back to my beautiful wife and musical empire, then.
>>61544347
You probably know some shitty boring minor scale tapping licks and so you think you're hot shit even though you've never written a full, decent song in your whole life
Go practice, kid
>>61544384
>Speed of playing doesn't define wankery. It's only wankery if it sounds like shit. They are almost random notes thrown together.
You're condeming him to wankery because he plays Jazz? Thats what this is about? If he played pentatonic licks all the time it would no longer be wank?
You might have the same ears as my 12 year old sister.
>>61544475
bubinga is the best sounding tonewood. I mean, it's just so fun to say! bubinga bubinga bubinga. boo-bing-gah. More like toneword amirite guys?
>>61544511
um, not sure what you're getting at
>>61544494
>Every Sheenan solo is a variation on the same template, the tapping, the dive bomb, the rapid fire 3 finger gallop, harmonics thrown in everywhere
Stop focusing on the technique and listen to the notes. The same technique can be used to make shitty stuff or good stuff. Also he doesn't play that many harmonics.
>>61544614
That doesn't look good.
>>61544475
looks almost exactly like a fame baphomet (warwick copy made for musicstore.de by mayoness)
>>61544555
>toneword
kezozek, had to read it twice
>>61544621
You're asking a little too much of him. You think he has good ears? He likes Jaco ffs.
>>61544614
I'm getting at something along the lines of thinking that it's silly to play someone else's signature guitar, including a les paul. If you're playing something 'custom,' make it (or have it made) to your own specifications. If you're playing something mass-produced, a signature on the headstock looks ridiculous.
jaco sounds like a duck and goose having a fart war
>>61544621
What about the notes? Theres nothing special going on there, other than the fact that they're fast. What gives his choice of notes more "Musicality" than Jaco's, other than the fact that its more pleasing to your pleb ears?
>>61544671
Yep.
I've literally only ever heard one fretless player that doesn't sound like absolute shit (Sean Malone). And yet, probably thanks to fucking Jaco, every shitty bassist thinks they need a fretless for "muh expression" even though it always sounds like farts and none of them ever have good intonation.
God I hate bass players. Why do they always fall for every shitty meme and end up embarrassing themselves?
>>61544747
>I've literally only ever heard one fretless player that doesn't sound like absolute shit (Sean Malone).
What about steve digiorgio?
>>61544647
I know there's a lot of Chappie hate but first impressions had me thinking that it was a nice looking bass. The Fame Baphomet strikes me as a little too Jazz/Funk. Quality-wise, though, I'd side with the latter.
>>61544747
i'm not a bass player, but why do fretless electric bassist almost always sound like that?
double bass is a beautiful sounding instrument... i dont know what the fuck happened to electric fretless bass
>>61544555
checked
>>61544653
You think Billy Sheenan has good ears? He like Jaco ffs.
Well, damn...
Thoughts on the JS22 Dinky?
>>61544887
How the hell does he get so many guitars?
First acoustic, had it for a bit. Took it camping, unfortunately it does have a little tiny bit of damage but its not structural damage. Small chip.
Took it to GC, the guy at the counter was rocking a thick, thick mustache, probably in his sixties at the time, he told me about stringing an acoustic, showed me how, and introduced me to brass coated strings and thicker dunlop picks (Tortex green .88mm). He got me a new pick guard, repaired my old tuners (the gear inside one was cracked and another was loose), polished up my epiphone and gave it new life.
Posted my (not working) Laguna a few threads back. Saving up for a new amp and electric.
>>61544554
It's not because he plays jazz. I love Eric Johnson for example.
Also, we're focusing on Billy Sheehan but I mentioned David Ellefson too in the previous thread.
listen to this and show me any solo by Jaco that's more interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnqmqtBEkqA
My problem with Jaco is that his stuff is just sonic gibberish.
>>61544653
kek, did you have to send him straight to suicide watch?
>>61544671
agreed
>>61544743
They just sound right together, it doesn't sound like a random lump of notes. Maybe >>61544653 was right.
>>61544747
>Sean Malone
didn't know him, he has pretty good tone for playing a fretless. There are some metal bassists that manage to get a similar tone though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbXTUcnfatY
I didn't know that first song in the video but I dig the tone, mainly because it doesn't sound like a fretless bass kek. Most of the others sound similar to Malone.
>>61544815
IDK either, it just sounds like shit. Sounds like a tuba played using air from a deflating baloon kek. I play fretted but some day I want to get an upright too, to play dat rockabilly slap :^).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4BVwCWQLnU
>>61544922
ROFL again?
>>61544887
>>61542001
2012 is fine.
>>61542038
Norlin had some killer Les Paul Customs if you look around, but not too great overall.
>>61542392
A lot of the Norlin lemons have been weeded out by this point. I wouldn't recommend buying without playing though of course.
>>61542577
They're a bit fiddly and the Lo-Pro Edge is the same thing but better.
>>61542704
Schallers on all of my guitars. I forget who the brand is (might be Gotoh?) but there's a company that makes an exact copy of the Schaller strap buttons that are $2-3 for a pair. Can have one set of locks on your strap and buy the copy buttons for each guitar.
>>61542953
>>61543261
>Also gibson quality control is literally non-existant
>Gibsons quality control lately has been absolutely ass
This hasn't been true for a long time now. Since 2012 or so they've been consistently getting better. 2015 was considered a bad year due to the specifications that made no sense, not their quality control.
>>61543360
2014s are fine, 2015 was an overstock thing. They had a very hard time moving them. Like I said before though, it was more because of the specifications than an issue with the quality.
>>61543745
What a beauty. How long have you had that?
>>61544008
It's funny isn't it? This place mellows right out during Aussie peak.
>>61544967
Decent, but you could probably do better for the money. Do they still do a JS30 or JS32? I seem to recall there being a significant quality difference between them and the JS22, but it's been years since I've played anything like that.
>>61544991
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4BVwCWQLnU
2:00 never gets old, kek
>>61544811
They also make a decent looking jazz copy if you're in euroland
>>61544747
If you like Cynic you should check out Intronaut
Their fretless bassist has a similar tone and a great sense of groove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9dN1MsxIMc
>>61545041
>Norlin had some killer Les Paul Customs if you look around, but not too great overall.
I've heard some Explorers were godly too, EX1 or something like that.
>I wouldn't recommend buying without playing though of course.
Exactly my point.
>2014s are fine
If you don't mind about the fret nibs, of course.
>>61545041
>do better for the money
Really? I was just looking and found a used one for like 180$ that was in good condition.
>>61544967
>JS22 Dinky
By all means, no. Just save up a little more and get a MIJ DK2... Prices are fucking high these days so don't worry about a ding or two. Here are two configs reasonably priced:
https://reverb.com/item/1207931-used-jackson-dk-2-dinky-electric-guitar-black-japan-made-locking-tremolo
https://reverb.com/item/1392755-jackson-dk2m-2007-black-japan
Would you guys either get a Momose MIJ Explorer copy or a 2016 Gibson Explorer T?
The Bacchus is more expensive, at about 1.7k. The Gibson is about 1.3k. What would be the advantages of getting the Momose besides it being a korina Explorer?
>>61544991
>They just sound right together, it doesn't sound like a random lump of notes.
haha yeah you just have pleb ears that arent used to anthing outside the small harmonic box they've been brought up in. Thats fine, but to dismiss it as wank while at the same time venerating Sheenans "Heres all the technqiues i can do in 10mintues" wankathon because you prefer the scale he's using is ludicrous.
>Maybe >>61544653 was right
Yeah maybe the guy suggesting that liking Jaco prohibits me from being able to appreaciate the music of a guy who also, by the same logic, must not have good enough ears to appreaciate his own stuf, because he really likes Jaco. Or maybe you're both stupid twats.
>>61545103
E2 Explorers from that era are pretty great.
>>61545126
Something like this >>61545216 or an RG550/RG560 wouldn't be much more.
If you look at DK2s, I'd stick to DK2Ms. They only made them with the better hardware. For other DK2 you'll want to find out when they made the hardware on them better and check that against the serials.
>>61545268
I'd get a Gibson Explorer. I've had one for many many years and it's always been one of my favorite and best playing guitars.
>>61544203
yea, the routing and pick-guard cutting out should be fine, I think it'll be good when I get around to doing it.
Whats some good /gg/ approved software? right now I just Gutar and Bass for it's ear training, metrenome, jam band.
Also, what some of stevie ray vaughan best shit out there? I've really only listened to Jimi, Santana, the kings, and a few others
>>61544984
One more.
>>61545041
Nice setup. Post more gear.
>>61544922
When is the funeral? I'll send some Ripperonis from Luigis your way.
Anyone here own a 7 string archtop? Really want to get one but the only affordable one I can find is the $800 Ibanez fartcore with the nonstandard sized pickups.
Any suggestions would be helpful. Mostly want it to comp while playing walking bass lines in a guitar duet/trio setup.
>>61545273
>https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_billy_sheehan_pioneered_the_bass_the_same_way_hendrix_pioneered_the_guitar.html
:^)
Hendrix was a hack though.
>>61541970
>Overrated hacks edition
pic related
>>61545273
Have another actually good bassist doing a meaningful bass solo instead of random farts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v11t2Rcb3c
I love how you ignored David Ellefson and my request to you to find a bass solo by Jaco that is more interesting. You can't do it because all Jaco did was wankery.
>>61545268
Momose although the gibson probably has better fretwork
>>61544815
>i dont know what the fuck happened to electric fretless bass
It's just a meme instrument, like 6+ string basses and 8+ string guitars. Its value is its novelty and it sounds like shit.
https://youtu.be/oiMIpOqcwRg
good bass
>>61545312
>For other DK2 you'll want to find out when they made the hardware on them better and check that against the serials.
The dk2s with better hardware always have real seymour duncans in them iirc.
>>61545405
>You can't do it because all Jaco did was wankery.
I can't do it because " you just have pleb ears that arent used to anthing outside the small harmonic box they've been brought up in"
You've made it clear several times now that what makes Jaco's playing wank and Sheenans not is your own aversion to dissonance.
I dont need you to post stu hamm and dave elleson, i'm more than familar with them. When you describe them as "meaningful" and "Musical", you're really just using bullshit terms to say "i like how it sounds more". There's nothing inherently less wanky about them than anything Jaco did.
>>61545479
But why would it be more desirable? For sure the Momose Flying V (or the Bacchus Classic) is preferable to the 2016 Gibson Flying V if just for the aesthetics, but the Explorer is more of a tough decision. Part of the price difference is offset by the hardshell case but of course it's not that much of a difference since you can get an Epiphone case for $90.
>>61545674
>the cacophonic bass fan calls me a pleb
You have admitted that his stuff is dissonant, I think we're done there. Dissonant notes can be used for musical effect, but when all you have is dissonance it becomes cacophony.
>>61545611
sounds nice and groovy, unlike the overrated hack in the OP
>>61545853
>You have admitted that his stuff is dissonant, I think we're done there.
We established that long ago as the sole reason that you proclaim Jaco to be wank. You're a jackass and you have the pussy ears of a small child who can't handle atonality.
>>61545611
>weeb shit
>80s meme techniques
It's like japs heard american music 40 years ago and decided it was perfect.
>>61541970
>Overrated hacks edition
I'd post Lars too but this is /gg/, not /dg/
>>61545955
>meme techniques
elaborate pls
also let me compliment your digits
btw, music in the 80s was better
the 90s and to some extent the 00s were a mistake
https://youtu.be/-WdZIEtLGQo?t=11
Is that a guitar?
>>61546001
>slapping
>>61545332
>nonstandard sized pickups
reeeeeee instant deal breaker
STOP DOING THIS GUITAR MAKERS
STOP IT
REEEEEE
>>61541997
Get fucked. if anything he is underrated
>post gear
shitty practice amp, squier standard strat, some old acoustic (tenada or something), some cheapass bass, and some shitty as hell strat ripoff that I basically just fuck around with to help me understand the wiring of gutiars/how to do setups etc.
>post desired gear
tele pickup for my strat and a vox ac30.
>how long have you been playing?
about 8 months
>fav guitars?
I've used a handful of guitars (epiphones, gibsons, a handful of others) and I like the bridge and necks on strats the most, as well as the sound.
>fav guitarists?
in no specific order: bo madsen, buckethead, john dwyer, Wata from boris, kurt cobain, kevin shields and I guess I like jimi hendrix.
>Projects?
well, I made it a little project to learn full songs, I think it might help me work on my songwriting skills, also playing with people, trying to break out of playing blues-ish stuff when I improvise, because as much as I don't mind blues it's boring and feel unoriginal, the problem is it's so east to play blues sounding things.
so, does anyone have any advice for making original riffs and stuff, I've started using the higher frets and doing lots of sliding and other pointless shit which is helpful in which it makes my stuff sound better In my opinion.
>>61546031
There's not a problem with slapping as long as it's done tastefully.
>>61545935
>You're a jackass and you have the pussy ears of a small child who can't handle atonality.
>implying I don't like Schönberg
m8, you're the pleb here
all you fedora jazz fusion memesters tend to think your music is superior when it's clearly not
>>61545955
H-How to overcome my addiction to weeb shit? Help me senpai
How can I fucking not love this?
https://youtu.be/mF0AOhNcH3o
>>61545032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mH5hwLkxCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vgwaiScrwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTKfHkHZ6qQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOr2NpHLoWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUMDIyXaGNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLqIzt2_eIw
your turn
>>61546056
>if anything he is underrated
haha I'm surprised it took you fags this long to defend him
his music is shit though
>he likes this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko
top kek
Jaco and Sheehan is the new rondomusic meme in a different shell. Something that's ultimately inoffensive and is based on people's opinions but one person who loves it and another on the opposite side shit up yet another thread because they think they are so important and their opinion is right.
I can't wait until winter break is over so I can neet it up during work hours on weekdays when the threads aren't so fucking annoying to read.
This is coming from someone who likes Jaco and rondomusic. Just stfu about it. People like it and other people dont. It's not a big deal.
>>61546056
Kek fucking idiot
Go to r/bass or Talkbass and observe how every shitty "le epic melodic lead bass slapper" creams his pants every time someone mentions Les and can't help but mention how big of an influence he is on their "style"
Fucking bassists. Glenn Fricker was right
>>61546116
>trying this hard to get people back to talking about agiles
fuck off Kurt
I want bassists to leave
>>61546116
paid jaco shill detected :^)
>>61546126
>Glenn Fricker was right
of course he was. He's politically incorrect, like Will Gelvin.
>>61546130
>>61546141
>tfw gearspammer was better than all this shitposting
>>61546116
oh wow I forgot about winter break. It makes so much sense now. You're a man of taste BTW.
>>61546092
Its at least different enough where its interesting even if its not one of their best songs
Only pretentious hipsters and stupid 14yos hate Primus
Everyone else knows that theyre the most talented 3 piece since Rush, even if they dont like their music
>>61546182
Gearspammer pls go
>>61546191
I won't deny they're talented players, they just happen to be worthless hacks when it comes to songwriting.
>>61546126
Yeah well i play bass and i dont play his style and i still like his music
Just because some tards wont shut up about him doesnt make him bad
this is like watching children argue at a daycare
why do I even come here
>>61546243
because tonewood doesn't real
>>61546116
>implying the only wrong side wasn't the rondo shills claiming those guitars are on par with $1k+ Gibsons and Fenders
>>61546239
Kek I bet you "play lead bass" and think anyone who goes near a root note is a mouth breather
>>61546278
>implying that's a meme
tonewood pro go extinct
Man I wish the Americans would fucking go to sleep already instead of ruining it for the rest of the world.
By the way if I was looking for a decent tele in the $1000-$2000 AUD range where would I be looking, would prefer at least a humbucker in the bridge rather than having to route it to fit one, not just Fender as well any brand would do fine. if it has a trem like a OFR that'd be a plus too I guess.
>inb4 muh tele single coils
Something American/Japanese/Euro made would be preferable thanks.
>>61546239
>>61546236
>>61546191
>>61546300
Guys you've been at it for ages, holy shit, this is getting pathetic, turn off the PC and walk away you useless cunts, Jesus.
>>61546236
Thats their style and music
They can do what they want because they are that good
Why do pretentious nothings always criticize music that is weird and different as bad?
>>61542048
What is the bass between the white p bass with tort guard and the fretless p bass with no pickguard?
>>61546065
>all you fedora jazz fusion memesters tend to think your music is superior when it's clearly not
>it's clearly not
There's probably more musical quality in my ringtone than in your whole computer:
https://youtu.be/eR0m0Ls-Oh8
>>61546317
I bet that guitar has a really clear, transparent sound
>>61546296
Never said I agreed with them. I like them, I just don't think they are on par with obviously better made instruments. They are as good as anything in their price range. I'm just saying people on two extremes are both retarded for arguing about it on an anonymous forum where you definitely aren't going to convince someone of anything.
Shit I just realized everything I'm typing is also being done in vain and I'm as bad as them
>>61546329
That's a Dave Pushic custom, he's a luthier from North Carolina. Definitely one of my favorite basses, very versatile with a great feel to the neck
http://www.dpcustom.com/
>>61546300
lel, those kinds are the worst. And I say this as a bassist.
Lead bass CAN be good, but more often than not it's not. It's great for rockabilly and some kinds of metal (think Lemmy, although he was far from a traditional bassist).
>>61546318
Jokes on you m8, I'm on mobile
>>61542048
What's the memester scroll bass?
>>61546413
I hope Tyrone shanks you and sells it to feed his Nike shoe addiction cunt.
>>61543517
I know that it's good for playing in the classical position, but I've never played like that. I guess I could learn, but eh.
>>61543745
That's a pretty Les Paul
>>61545041
Definitely gonna need to get some Schallers then.
Any idea how to get the tone from the intro to this song guys?
http://youtu.be/TRqyT5ByZPQ
>>61546413
kek, are you pro pastorius or against him?
I'm OP
>>61546464
you need bubinga
>>61546465
I hate him. I've been doing a good majority of the shitting on Jaco
>>61546447
>I know that it's good for playing in the classical position, but I've never played like that. I guess I could learn, but eh.
funny, I have problems with the strat copy I bought 2 months ago because I've always preferred classical position and the corvette copy I own makes that position really good but the strat not so much.
>>61546465
don't put a shitty edition next time faggot
>>61546504
kek, hi5 bro. We're probably responsible for 45% of the shitting each. I've been shitting on him since the last thread.
>>61546529
kek, beggars can't be choosers. I've made the last 2 OPs and many of them before. Having controversial meme OPs makes things more interesting.
>out of the way, plebs, patrician bassist coming through
It's a hard fight but someone's gotta fight it.
/gg/ a joke
what pedals are essential for bass?
>>61546612
bassists ruin everything
>>61546317
Is acrylic a good tonematerial?
>>61546337
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IpzQon_IlU
>4 comments
>2 of the commenters wear fedoras
top kek, I rest my case
What do you guys think of Dan from BTBAM?
I think he's really good, but tends to overplay occasionally. His tone is also really nice. It sits well in the mix but its just a tad muddy to me
>admitting 2 people are spamming the thread
>enjoying the current state of the thread
yeah gg is shit
>>61546623
metal muff, boss digital delay, cry baby wah
>>61546636
>really hard
>dense
I'd say it is. It won't dampen your notes to say the least.
>>61546612
its just two faggot vai fans
>>61546086
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLqIzt2_eIw
this is great
he went through all that trouble of finding those two pieces of wood and routing out a neck slot on both of them because a youtube video pissed him off
10/10
his recordings are shit though, wish they were longer and recorded better
>>61546664
surprising depth of tone from acrylic.
http://youtu.be/5vgwaiScrwA
