I've seen a lot of hate for grohl, but I forgot what it was about. Can you remind me?
i don't think he's a bad guy really, it's just a meme
shit talks butt rock but makes butt rock
>>61524257
this
has a bretty gay voice and makes really boring music
the least talented member of Nirvana, Chad Channing was a better drummer, Dave Grohl is poor man's Dale Crover
and he's a shit songwriter
first FF album is okay though
wish he would have shot himself instead of Kurt
>>61524257
Yeah he's always talking about how rock is shit but overall I'd say he has had a negative influence on the genre as a whole
>>61524292
>Chad Channing was a better drummer
![soaked_in_bleach_xlg[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4hx4lHE.jpg "soaked_in_bleach_xlg[2].jpg")
>>61524338
>Kurt
>shot himself
He's probably a nice guy. His music is bland and only successful because of Nirvana. His quotes akin to "real music" and "muh analog" are cringeworthy. The worst offender being the one where he talks about how terrible American Idol is and that the way Nirvana made it big was just by practicing in their garage until one day they were huge, completely skipping over the part where MTV made them and they were just as much a part of the corporate system and yadda yadda, so he lacks self-awareness. TL;DR he's just the ultimate rockist "real music" guy and Reddit LOVES him, so of course /mu/ hates him, even though he probably is a really nice dude.
>>61524369
his style fits Bleach-era Nirvana better, but yeah I guess Dave's generic drumming is better for power-pop like the tunes on Nevermind
>>61524372
Sorry, I don't like fan fiction
>>61524372
good goy
>>61524403
>Dave's generic drumming
Makes terrible music and is an AIDS denier.
>>61524426
Ironically Billy cucking Kurt is one of the reasons he was going to divorce her (which is why she had him killed)
Because he's considered the "face of rock" now. And it's true. He does eo resent the watered-don, pussified, commercialised, nonthreatening rock music of the 2000s-2010s.
Foo Fighters is the safest, softest, yuppie dad rock band of our time. It's music for normies who work in cubicles and go mountain biking on the weekends.
Foo Fighters don't "rock". Rock implies danger and a threat to the status quo.
>>61524430
anyone who's been playing drums for like 6 months can play along to any Nirvana song no problem
>>61524392
>His quotes akin to "real music" and "muh analog" are cringeworthy
Have you ever recorded to tape?
>completely skipping over the part where MTV made them
How so? Nirvana formed in 1986 in Aberdeen.
>>61524470
>How so? Nirvana formed in 1986 in Aberdeen.
And Dave didn't join until 1990, when they were already pretty popular (they hadn't blown up yet but still)
>>61524470
When people say "made them" they mean "made them famous" or "made their career" not "literally invented them."
>>61524463
If that was true Grohl wouldn't also be a highly sought after session drummer.
>>61524451
all us white guys are kux
>>61524493
How is that relevant?
>>61524510
Does that somehow change the fact that Nirvana slaved away as an indie band for years, touring in their own little van?
>>61524511
If he is highly sort after its because he's a name
>>61524463
your brain is ugly
>>61524451
>one of the reasons he was going to divorce her (which is why she had him killed)
I don't think you understand how divorce works.
>>61524511
dude have you ever listened to the drums in a Nirvana song, he may be a good drummer but he's not playing anything remotely difficult
>>61524547
Nirvana sought him out before he was a name though.
>>61524558
>it must be difficult to be good!
lol
>>61524558
>what is timing
>>61524565
Sure it works fine but why the fuck do people worship him as some great drummer
>>61524587
Because he *is* a great drummer.
Do you think John Bonham was a shitty drummer too?
>>61524585
if you can keep time fucking great, so can literally any other half decent drummer
>>61524608
If they are half-decent, not necessarily.
What's the real reason you are so quick to knock his drumming?
>>61524608
>what does timing mean
>>61524637
I guess I'm not necessarily saying he's bad per se but nothing special really
>>61524653
The fact that he's constantly named one of the top rock drummers around should tell you he is something special really.
>>61524653
>if he's popular he's good
>>61524695
intended for
>>61524681
>>61524715
>only popular drummers are top ranking
http://www.bdcwire.com/the-pretender-why-i-cant-stand-dave-grohl/
Dave is a good drummer outside of Nirvana. SFtD has some great drum tracks.
>>61524438
[citation needed]
>>61524727
what has he done of note to make him worthy of being a top ranking drummer, maybe I'm wrong but nothing he does stands out in particular
>>61524819
Jon Theodore is better senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOsmG-sufNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfLROtRVN0c
>>61524903
>services the song
>precise
>extremely dynamic
>hard hitter
I mean not every drummer has to sound like Niel Pert.
>>61524952
Jon Theodore is an actual musician though so you can't really compare them
>>61524216
terrible voice,
gets too much credit for being in nirvana when he didnt do shit and its a shit band anyhow,
writes boring vapid music,
ugly,
makes self aggrandizing comments all the time about being the only real rocker blah
>>61524965
Yeah but then what puts him above any other drummer who does the same exact thing other than that he was in Nirvana?
>>61524979
>>61524952
>Jon Theodore is an actual musician though
I don't know what you mean by this. I won't defend Dave versus Jon'd drumming because Jon is a better drummer, but I can honestly say I don't know what you mean by that.
>>61524952
damn remember when he was in TMV and they were good
>>61525015
Jon Theodore plays the drums in a way that could be considered musical
>>61525002
>any other drummer who does the same exact thing
Name them.
He killed his dad
>>61524606
I think the point is that he may be a decent drummer, but that's all that he is. There's nothing wrong with what he does in tge context of nirvana, but it's very generic and simple. He's a good drummer, but lots of drummers are good enough to do what he did. To be a truly "great" drummer, I think you have to be one of the few that can do something a little more creative and ear grabbing.
>>61525185
>I think the point is that he may be a decent drummer, but that's all that he is.
See >>61524681
>but it's very generic and simple. He's a good drummer, but lots of drummers are good enough to do what he did.
See >>61525103
>To be a truly "great" drummer, I think you have to be one of the few that can do something a little more creative and ear grabbing.
ah the ol complex = better argument, nice!
How long have you been playing drums my man?
literally Bonham triplets: the drummer
>>61525240
What's wrong with that? It sounds great when it suits the music.
>>61525259
>literally every fill is a Bonham triplet
get some originality faggot
>>61525313
>get some originality faggot
>posts a pepe
>>61525103
look man they exist and this is a really annoying response, there's drummers who have played in the same bands that he's played in that are better (e.g. Jon Theodore) and my main point is that hes good but not special
>>61525103
any rock drummer that's been playing for like 2 years, nothing wrong with being average but it shouldn't be celebrated
>>61525347
>look man they exist
Name them. List me 60 names.
>there's drummers who have played in the same bands that he's played in that are better (e.g. Jon Theodore)
There's 1. Give me 59 more.
>my main point is that hes good but not special
If you can only think of one better drummer out of the literally millions of drummers in the world, then yeah, Grohl is special.
>>61525234
Do you play drums? If you do, do you really think he's anything special? He's not saying complex is special he's saying that actually trying something even *slightly* different is what makes someone great, not upholding the status quo
poor man's jack white desu
https://youtu.be/MVL5ylN3ffY?t=6m12s
>>61525387
>"put in the effort to list 60 names on a shitty meme board and if you don't i'm right"
>>61525422
>Do you play drums?
Of course.
>he's saying that actually trying something even *slightly* different is what makes someone great,
It's not what you play, but how you play it.
How long have you been playing drums?
>>61525454
That is correct. Thanks for trying though.
>>61525473
okay im done with this argument anon, continue worshipping a boring buttrock drummer if you want.
4 years by the way
>>61525512
>drumming for 4 years by the way
>still can't explain what's wrong with Grohl's technique
Yeah nah.
>>61525473
and if you really wanna prove me wrong so much just fucking tell me what makes him special
>DUDE LE PROTOOLS IS RUINING LE MUSIC!!! TAAAPE, BRO TAAAAPE
>>61525427
Nah fuck off. His fills are worse than Grohl's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6LeM4K3uOE
>>61525473
if you care how long he's been playing, how long have you been playing
>>61525556
About 5-10 minutes
>>61525530
>he's not anything special!
>he's only the fourth hit when googling the greatest drummers of rock!
Literally the worst rock musician of the last 20 years
>>61525587
>Google is relevant
Name anything that actually makes him special other than the fact that other people name him a great drummer
>>61525631
>>Google is relevant
How is it not?
>>61525587
If he was so great then why was Kurt Cobain always complaining about his drumming
>>61525650
Bi-polar heroin junkies complain about everything
>>61525646
you still haven't named anything
>>61525673
I have, read the thread.
Still waiting on 59 names btw
>>61525650
sauce
>>61525650
because kurt cobain was a pussy faggot.
>>61525646
Fucking Ringo Starr is right after him
>>61525713
Yeah, he was a great drummer too.
>>61525737
okay now I know you're baiting
>>61525587
>Ringo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJTjjAXDZSY
>>61525751
What's not great about him?
>>61525761
Even the masters know whats up
>>61525737
not even The Beatles or Ringo himself thought Ringo was a great drummer
>>61525784
[citation needed]
>>61525529
NO ONE SAID THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH HIS TECHNIQUE YOU TWAT. JUST THAT IT'S BORING AS SHIT.
>>61525851
What's boring about his technique, specifically?
>>61525784
>>61525751
>>61525512
>>61525422
>>61525185
Oh my fucking god so many people in this thread who think that complex, technical drumming with constant use of "different" and "creative" beats is what makes a good drummer
>What is time
>What is groove
>What is feel
Please for the love of god, never ever play drums in a band. Just on the off chance I might see said band and it will ruin my whole fucking night
>>61525542
Have you ever recorded to tape?
>>61525789
i was actually wrong on this one sorry man
>>61525891
You should be used to it by now.
>>61525851
If you think that avoiding being "boring" is an important part of drumming or defines who is good or not, for the love of god please do ever sit down at a drum set or discuss drumming for anything except for wank-metal
>>61525883
WEWLAD
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>>61525914
>>61525883
samefag
>>61525905
gud 1 m8
>>61525941
Thanks.
Who is the best drummer of the 90's and why is it that guy who played on 'Grace'?
>>61525883
amazed at how hard everyone is taking your bait
>>61525955
Matt Johnson? pretty good singer too
>>61525883
>At a jam
>Everythings going mean
>Some drummer gets up
>Has the same attitude as these clueless rhythmless cunts in this thread, probably thinks Ringo Star and Dave Grohl suck
>We start doing a cover of "Kiss" by Prince
>He starts playing this wanky as fuck 6/8 latin-meets-metal fuckin wack groove
>The bass player is stamping her foot glaring at him trying to get him to play some fucking groove
>Gets off with a smirk on his face
>Probably thinks to this day he killed it
>"At least I don't suck balls and play boring 6 months of drumming shit like Ringo Star!"
>>61526002
Lots of b8 but the mortal of the story is true.
I personally don't like working with drummers who constantly try to show off. it detracts from the song or the sonic design and arrangement. And in trying to overly impress, the overlook the rhythmic necessities to communicate the song itself.
>>61526002
no one is saying that groove doesn't matter
>>61526047
By ignoring it, you are.
>>61526002
>>61526047
I agree that's pretty annoying though
>>61526064
well fine then, groove, feel and timing are important. (even though they're fundamental parts of drumming and it's already assumed that they're important) does that make you feel better?
>>61526083
>well fine then, groove, feel and timing are important
And Dave Grohl does these things amazingly well, as well as being a dynamic rhythmic force.
If you just don't like meat and potatoes, just say so. But you need to admit that not all meat and potatoes are equal and some are better than others.
>>61526131
Cool metaphor man!!!
Yeah he does well exactly what a drummer is supposed to do well. Some drummers are worse at it yeah, but it still doesn't make being good at what he's expected to be good at THAT noteworthy
>>61524216
because hes a retarded faggot
have you ever heard some of the shit that come out of this clowns mouth
>>61524463
that's not the point
Most people who've been playing for longer for 6 months can't resist the urge to play more complex shit when it may not fit the song
>>61526198
>Yeah he does well exactly what a drummer is supposed to do well
But not all drummers do.
What do you not understand here.
>>61526212
https://youtu.be/Df5O5aglPAA this opening monologue is so cringey and awful
>>61526232
he's above average? But one of the greats?
>>61526212
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFHD7kuAqu4
>>61524452
Foo Fighter is Get A Grip-era Aerosmith.
>>61526249
hes so fucking gay I would have thrown a bottle at him or atleast tell him to shut the fuck up already
>>61526296
>I would have thrown a bottle at him
I wonder if he'd pull a Homme on you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfZm32tpWY8
>>61526266
I believe he is. So do many other people.
Is there a chance you missed something?
"I think what we're seeing now is a situation similar to the late 80s-early 90s right before Nirvana broke. Popular music was absolutely dismal then, consisting of nothing but bad dance, pop, and novelty acts. There was nothing that spoke to what the kids were feeling. It happened before and it can happen again."
>>61524511
He's not. He was only asked to be in so many bands because of Nirvana. He's not an exceptional drummer
>>61526307
so the climax to this entire conversation was "I personally believe that he is one of the greats"
great
>>61526320
>Being very dynamic, having great groove, serving the song and stamina is not exceptional
I'm actually old enough to remember when Nevermind came out and although it was a good album and I saw them touring, I will still say that Nirvana are the most horribly overrated band in all of rock history.
The irony of this Cobain hero worship is that he hated every one of you and killed himself because he couldn't deal with the faggotry of his fan base.
>>61526304
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bottling_incidents_by_year
>>61526331
You have been saying "I personally believe that he is not one of the greats" the whole thread. You can't even prove your point.
>>61526339
at least he died before seeing what a fag Grohl became
>>61526338
are you gonna repeat the same thing every time someone questions this or come up with some new bait
>>61524452
If this were the 70s when rock was young, exciting, and had loads of unexplored territory yet to cover, FF would barely be taken seriously at all.
>>61524463
nirvana wasnt generic in the 90s fagit
>>61526339
Pretty sure he was a bipolar junkie
>>61526339
>The irony of this Cobain hero worship is that he hated every one of you and killed himself because he couldn't deal with the faggotry of his fan base.
I think being a junkie and being married to Courtney Love were a factor as well.
>>61526362
>>61526331
maybe guys, just maybe, music is subjective and you should both shut the fuck up
>>61526383
I haven't been proven wrong yet, so it's still gold.
>>61526339
>I'm actually old enough to remember when Nevermind came out and although it was a good album and I saw them touring, I will still say that Nirvana are the most horribly overrated band in all of rock history.
Because they were credited with killing hair metal when GNR had already done it almost three years earlier?
>>61526362
I've been arguing this whole thread on the side of groove and shit being more important than technicality, and so I agree that Grohl is a good drummer but yeah he's definitely no way one of the greatest ever or some shit like that. Not even close. He's a hooning, high energy rock drummer that can power a rock band and play some cool unique shit when he wants to (did everyone saying he's boring and simple in this thread just fucking forget about Songs For The Deaf!?!?!?). But he ain't no Bernard Purdie or Art Blakey
>>61526435
GNR was was still very much a part of that scene, even though they were a bit muscular.
>>61526420
this entire thread is just us clashing opinions and your "proof" of your point is just what a drummer should be able to do, this is going nowhere and your a bit of a faggot too but im tired of this
>>61525234
top 10 drummers, i wouldnt pick dave grohl LOL!!!!!!!
not that hes a BAD drummer, bad drummers dont make it big
but cmon.... all the mars volta drummers first off, then zach hill, black pus, tony williams, giraffes?giraffes!, mahavishnu orchestra, Yes... omg im drunk and cmon....
dave grohl is not GREAT, dave grohl is GOOD
>>61526463
>what a drummer should be able to do
[citation needed]
>>61526442
>But he ain't no Bernard Purdie or Art Blakey
Show me examples of them doing exactly what Grohl does, but better.
>>61526449
>>61526435
It's a little debatable. If you want to compare them to the manufactured hairspray bands like Poison, yes but Motley Crue were around years before Guns and were already practicing the same ultra-hedonist, guitar-smashing, hotel room-destroying lifestyle.
>>61526475
Please, no faggots.
>>61526484
you're fighting your own side now man
>>61525044
stop.
Jon theodore is really good at the drums, thats what youre trying to say.
>>61526519
Non sequitur
>>61526497
Actually Poison's first album (Look What The Cat Dragged In) is a fun listen because it was recorded on the cheap and has an ultra-raw, lo-fi sound completely unlike the usual synthetic laboratory 80s rock production.
>>61526475
they're talented but leave
>>61526514
THIS GUY
THINKS DAVE GROHL
IS BETTER THAN ZACH HILL??????
OR DEANTONI PARKS????
ON /MU/??????
>>61526533
LESS TALENTED THAN DAVE GROHL?????
IS THAT WHAT YOURE TRYING TO SAY???
>>61526529
there's nothing more to be said unless you wanna say the same arguments at each other again for another hour
IF ANYONE THINKS DAVE GROHL IS A TOP-TIER DRUMMER
WOW
/thread
>>61526555
If you make a claim, you need to back it up.
If you are unwilling to do so, just stop posting.
>>61526449
In the early promotional photos of Guns from '87, they're wearing a distinctly glammy wardrobe with big hair and bright colors, but by the time SCOM broke they were sporting a more much grunge-like look with T-shirts and ripped jeans.
>>61526484
>Show me examples of them doing exactly what Grohl does, but better.
Obviously I can't because they play different styles to Grohl and have nothing in a comparable genre. Obviously. But I can show you examples of other guys doing what he does better. Like John Bonham. Or Keith Moon. Or Jon Theodore. Or Dave Elitch. Fuck even Chad Smith probably.
>>61526577
Im not going to argue anymore because this is getting boring and you'll claim any argument against yours is null anyway so why bother
>>61526584
>Obviously I can't because they play different styles
WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BE COMPARING THEM YOU DICKFACE
>>61526605
Still waiting on 59 drummers. Really interesting that you claim to be right, but can't prove it...
>>61526582
And also contrary to popular belief, it was the poppy, radio-friendly Sweet Child that made Guns a household name, not Welcome To The Jungle which languished in relative obscurity for some months after being issued as a single. The video for SCOM was playing on MTV all day every day during the summer of '88.
>>61526629
>>61526577
>>61526484
>>61526420
see why i'd think this is kind of redundant to continue arguing? also this 59 drummers thing wasn't a good argument in the first place and you seem to be getting a real kick out of "lel Im so clever, really stumped that anon, ha fuck him"
>>61526672
>also this 59 drummers thing wasn't a good argument in the first place
It's not an argument. I'm asking you to defend YOUR argument. That's how it works.
He's best when he's behind the kit.
His drumming on Nirvana was pretty plain but most of his other work is great.
Hate him as a signer and songwriter though.
>>61526707
oh my god good luck having no friends for being such an annoying faggot for the rest of your life. you won an argument on a anime website, congrats im leaving
>>61524452
>Foo Fighters is the safest, softest, yuppie dad rock band of our time. It's music for normies who work in cubicles and go mountain biking on the weekends.
I've never heard a better description of them.
Thanks, anon.
>see this thread
>read the first handful of posts
>leave it on autoupdate
>go to /gif/ to fap
>come back after 1 hour and 30 minutes
>see this autistic shit
My fucking sides
>>61526736
You could have just admitted I was right in the first place and saved yourself the trouble.
>>61526763
this thread is a trip holy fuck
>>61524952
Top vid is better though cause you have based Mark and Nick
>>61526800
>Nick
>based
pick one, edgy cunt
>>61526781
>>61526629
Alright not the guy you're talking to and I think I replied some of this shit to you before all these guys can play the same crashy rock style as Grohl but could fucking own him at it
John Bonham
Keith Moon
Jon Theodore
Dave Elitch
Chad Smith
Stevie McQuinn
Steve Dave
Mark Guiliana
Robert Searight
Larnell Lewis
Michael Shrieve
Steve Gadd
>>61526853
>John Bonham
I agree
>Keith Moon
Nope, too flashy
>Jon Theodore
Nope too flashy
>Dave Elitch
Nope too flashy
>Chad Smith
Not very dynamic at all.
>Stevie McQuinn
Don't know who he is, sorry.
>Steve Dave
Don't know who he is, sorry
>Mark Guiliana
Too flasshy
>Robert Searight
Not dynamic enough
>Larnell Lewis
He sounds like coleslaw when he plays
>Michael Shrieve
Too flashy
>Steve Gadd
Lacks dynamic
Nice try.
>>61526950
you really do worship Dave don't you
>>61526950
Yeah it was a nice try, you're right. That attempt at debunking my choices was seeeriously weak dude. Closing this tab now.
>>61526345
Reading sounds like a fucking shitshow making up half that list.
>>61526591
>proof
>google results
filename.jpg
>>61526757
10/10
some songs are good! but yeah, dad rock.
>>61526950
jon theodore flashy??? can you even be flashy in a band relative to Omar?
JT is totally in the pocket, asshole.
>>61526950
>only agrees with jon bonham
confirmed for basic groove enthusiast.
I wish Kurt were still alive so he could see what a shitty buttrocker Dave has become.
>>61525240
Do u have examples of this? Never paid attention to his fills
>>61526991
No, not really.
>>61527003
It's honestly your fault for not paying attention to my request.
>>61527095
Costanza meme? is this 2011?
>>61527124
>dadrock
Opinion discarded
>>61527142
Which he is great at. Read the thread.
>Accoustic drums
lmao
>>61524452
best post of this thread
but:
>rock implies danger and a threat to the status quo
isn't that punk?
>>61526950
>Keith Moon too flashy
this has to be bait
Moon is a crazy drummer, but he's never showing off
>>61524216
he says a lot of stuff about modern music that makes him seem like an asshole, but really I think he just has a bad habit of not thinking before opening his mouth and he's probably not that bad of a guy.
>>61525587
>why is he special?
>because other people say he is!
nice argument
>>61525891
kudos on that mea culpa, mate
not many people on this site has the balls to admit fault
i cant describe it. just watch sound city. he's a shithead
>>61524606
>Do you think John Bonham was a shitty drummer too?
he was though.
>>61524539
>Does that somehow change the fact that Nirvana slaved away as an indie band for years, touring in their own little van?
No? That's not what I said.
>>61525885
It doesn't matter if I have or haven't, it's ridiculous to expect everyone to put the time and funds into recording on a specific medium, no matter what their individual situation is, because it's like the rockin' good ol' days
>>61524452
holy shit this
>>61524257
Is he the grandfather of butt rock?
